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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 11:14:51 PM »
It looks great! Congrats mate! I really like these early birds. You make great models out of these Pyro kits!
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2012, 08:20:27 AM »
I have added this aeroplane to my must do list for a scratch build in 1:32 scale, behind the Caudron G3.

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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 04:01:27 AM »
GULP!!! That's going to be awesome my old friend.
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2013, 09:01:55 PM »
   "If we want one of these in 1/32, I guess we'll just have to scratch build!"
  Bob,
That's not a bad idea at all, the general shapes don't appear to be that difficult. I just have absolutely no idea if there are any GA drawings about.
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Gregory Jouette
Hello, Gregory
the Martin Handasyde is a difficult subject: they made more then one
Some photos sketches and 3-views are downloadable for free from the flight global site - I think that it is the best reference material on the subject;
You can use their search engine or google:
The pyro version is featured in the 25 mach 1911 issue,
while in the january, 4 issue of 1913 there is a 3view and some nice details
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1913/1913%20-%200007.html

The monoplane was also featured in WW1 Aero; I don't remember in which issue and I haven't that at hand now; again I think that you can find the exact issue consulting their online index and if it is between those already digitized you can buy that online.

I don't think that it is too difficult to build it from scratch in 1/32; it's really a nice subject
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2013, 12:27:40 AM »
  Ermeio,
Thanks very much for the excellent link my friend. I agree I don't think it would be too difficult to scratch build this beauty. Maybe time for me to start collecting information on the type for a long term project.
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2013, 02:38:54 AM »
Aero WW1 #158 featured an article about the Martin handasyde - much of the material is also contained in the issues of Flight that you can reach on line.
Worth having, though.
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2013, 04:37:19 AM »
  Ermeio,
Thank you for the information my friend. I'll have a look in my pile of old Aero magazines. I may have #158 if not I'll look into getting a copy.
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2013, 03:35:52 PM »
i have detailed drawings of an antoinette which is what this craft was copied from if anyone is interested.

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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2013, 11:03:01 PM »
Hello, Albatros
Antoinette Drawings are quite interesting
Today I went to my local copy shop to have some drawings of the Martin Handasyde and some other pre WW1 types reproduced in 32 scale.
They are quite big, so maybe I will remain locked to 1/48 scale: I have all the Pyro kits, many AJP and some other resin and plastic ones but I prefer to build unusual subjects from scratch.
I also had a look to the Martin Handasyde that I built some 30 years ago - She lays derelict since when I decided to go into the superdetail side and never emerged again :-)
Maybe that it will be one of the first kit that I will complete.

Just to be over-precise, the Martin Handaside is completely different from the Antoinette, even if also the contemporaries called her "Antoinette type"  they look like twins, but the MH is much smaller, has an almost monococque wooden fuselage and the wings are quite different: the Antoinette's left and right wings were in effect the same wing, so they could be inverted.
This was not the case with the MH wings.
There were also many differences between the various MHs built and it is really difficult to pick one and find the details.
This is the reason that has stopped me from completing the model: it keeped to behave like a chamaleon...
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2013, 11:52:05 PM »
  Scott,
I'd be very interested in your Antoinette drawings my old friend. I'll PM you my home address shortly.
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2013, 06:30:52 PM »
i understand what you mean ermeio. i was under the impression that the m.h. was copied in concept from the earlier antionette. and when you glance at them they look quite similar. the long thin triangular fuselage, tailplanes general shape as well as the unique way the wings are rigged with those double kings posts. although i believe the controls were quite different as well as the structure of the fuselage. i am not quite sure i understand how one could swap left and right wings on an antoinette as they taper to the tip and have a very arched cord. but i'm no expert. i also have the whole pyro group but have only completed the martin handasyde.actually year before last i took second place with her to a wnw junkers at our local ipms contest. i one day want to make my first scratch build a 1/32 bleriot xi. i am really interested in alot of the early war and pre-war stuff in addition to mainly austro-hung and german stuff. although i do have a few french and brit favorites.

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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2013, 11:44:46 PM »
Hello, Albatros
I have the Bleriot in the TO-DO list, too
Some years ago I took the measures on an ancient  Bleriot preserved in Italy
I have those sketches somewhere at home, but not here (some 700 km form here)
I'll try to retrieve them at the end of this month.

As for the Antoinett wings they were symmetrical with respect to a perpendicular plan passing by the mid point of each rib
(the ribs contours are circle segments) so the whole wing is like the intersection of two conical surfaces.
The spars are at the same distance from the mid line.
So you can use the same semi-wing both on the right and on the left.
The trailing and the leading edge are sharp...
The Martin Handasyde  had blunt leading edge and sharp trailing edge

You can find something about the antoinette wings in Flight Global
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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 11:55:36 PM »
Hello, Albatros
I enclose two photos where the wing section of the antoinette is evident

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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2013, 09:12:40 AM »
FWIW, I started the Bleriot kit.
I will  be using the ORA's  Bleriot as a guide as it closely mirrors the kit.....except for the tail wheel.

The kit has a tail skid (which was made of Bamboo) that  was on many  Bleriot XIs.  It was actually preferred due to the weight savings and the  lack of a real  need for a tail wheel

Will post pics when it is warranted. :) 

 
« Last Edit: April 28, 2013, 05:06:13 AM by JoeDxMB »

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Re: 1911 Martin - Handasyde
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2013, 07:21:50 AM »
   Joe,
Any progress on your Bleriot my friend. I've just found plans for a Voisin 1912 Canard that I'm giving serious consideration to scratch building. Just not positive I can pull it off though.
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