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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: rhwinter on March 23, 2017, 11:45:09 PM
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... by a manufacturer I have not heard of, before "Mikromir":
https://m.facebook.com/1416295571781508/photos/a.1416729748404757.1073741828.1416295571781508/1446654402078958/?type=3&theater
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Would be nice to have one of these (hopefully WNW will do one too). :D
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I can only hope it comes true, though, I'd prefer the Wingnut Wings treatment for this aircraft.
Kevin
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If this is by any chance a repop of the Avis kit, it's not a bad start. Speculation on my part, but hopefully we'll see some sprue shots soon.
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If this is by any chance a repop of the Avis kit, it's not a bad start. Speculation on my part, but hopefully we'll see some sprue shots soon.
These are great news!
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If this is by any chance a repop of the Avis kit, it's not a bad start. Speculation on my part, but hopefully we'll see some sprue shots soon.
Yes the Avis kit is a good start, if this is a re pop, I would go for another EV!
RAGIII
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Seems it will be a re-pop of the Avis kit, but with completely redesigned wing, new decals plus photo-etch.
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Interesting! A redesigned wing? I'm curious to see the difference. PE bits are a nice addition, and new decals as well? Sounds promising.
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We'll see ???
I've been after a D.VIII for quite awhile and eventually (and at some expense) managed to obtain both the Battle Axe kit and the Falcon (Vac kit).
Typically it seems the Avis kit, deemed to be the best of the three only manufactured 1:32 scale kits, is to re-vamped and released.
Unless Wingnut Wings comes up with this aircraft, I guess I'll be looking to purchase yet another D.VIII!!!
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Interesting! A redesigned wing? I'm curious to see the difference. PE bits are a nice addition, and new decals as well? Sounds promising.
I agree. Perhaps the re-designed wing will be textured or maybe just better overall molding. As for the PE, very welcomed for certain parts. Hopefully the new decals will include the Jasta 6 Tulip Petal cowl markings and some of the better Jasta 6 Personal Markings...One can only hope!
RAGIII
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MikroMir are a company from Ukraine that produces injection plastic kits, I know them mainly from their submarine kits. Don't expect Wingnuts quality, they are very much a typical short run injection plastic producer, the kits I have are a good starting point, but lack a little finesse.
Mike
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Who would expect WnW quality from any source other than WnW????
I recently unloaded 2 Battle Axe E.V/D.VIII's at a tidy profit, so I'll be after the Micro-Mir version, if only to compare it to the Avis versions I still have. Perhaps with more buildable kits out there, it might be incentive for aftermarket decal manufacturers (Pheon!) produce quality decals. . .
Here's Hoping!!
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Does anyone have further info on this one? In particular where to order, is it available now?
RAGIII
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I've asked the question on their Facebook link (in first thread post).
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The reply on their Facebook page for release is within 2 - 3 weeks, making it by the end of April.
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The reply on their Facebook page for release is within 2 - 3 weeks, making it by the end of April.
Thanks for the info! I did a Google search and noticed their are a few shops online in the US, that carry the Subs and other kits from Micro Mir. I hope they get this one. I also found some listings on E Bay that may be a source for the kit when released. Does the Manufacturer sell direct?
RAGIII
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No idea on direct sales - I'll ask.
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Here's a shot from their site.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/pe_zpsbdfkyiml.jpg)
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Here's a shot from their site.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/pe_zpsbdfkyiml.jpg)
What is shown here is the Avis plastic parts with no apparent change. The wing will be interesting to see the changes, as well as the PE.
RAGIII
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Their reply was 'or you can directly' - so I guess retail outlets or direct from them.
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Their reply was 'or you can directly' - so I guess retail outlets or direct from them.
I found this shop in the US that is listed by Mikro Mir as a distributer.
http://www.atlantis-models.com/plasticmodelkitatlantistoyandhobby.aspx
RAGIII
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They posted a shot of the wing, although I don't know if this is the Avis wing or the Mikro Mir wing?
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/Snap1_zpsuxesthmk.jpg)
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Hard to tell. It looks the same in the photos as the Avis wing. So if "New" it must be either textured or perhaps just a more crisp molding. Hard to tell from the photo!
RAGIII
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Looks like the Avis wing. If so, just a little clean up, and planning for mounting the wing, and control lines.
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I'm very tempted by this - so nice to see manufacturers starting to produce and release (actually) in 1/32 after a long hiatus.... Marc
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Out of interest, here's a link to a review of the original Avis kit, from the Large Scale Planes site.
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/review.php?rid=732
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Just ordered mine from ebay seller in Ukraine ;D Even with shipping the total came out $5 LESS than I paid for my last AviS BX3201 WITHOUT shipping! I hope this time the kit is packed with more than brown wrapping paper around the kit box.
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Me to - 33$ plus 12$ shipping (£36 UK). Hopefully as the kit is less than £30, I won't be charged import duty - we'll see.
This will hopefully be a bit better than the Battleaxe and Falcon kits I have, but not yet started.
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I'm glad you posted on this Rob - just did the same :)
There were 'three left' when I hit the buy button, now there's just the one and, according to the heading notes, apparently its a limited issue of just 500 kits (that could of course mean the seller has only 500!)
Whatever, this is a particular favourite so thanks for the heads up.
Tug
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I got my two....
I'm really curious to see the PE bits.
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Can anybody post a Link to that eBay Seller?
Thanks!
Borsos
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Here you go Borsos:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-32-Fokker-E-V-D-VIII-NEW-Mikromir-PE-parts-/391751817641?hash=item5b363a59a9:g:NDUAAOSwc-tY60Iz
I hope that's OK Des,please remove if inappropriate.
Cheers Dave.
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Here you go Borsos:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-32-Fokker-E-V-D-VIII-NEW-Mikromir-PE-parts-/391751817641?hash=item5b363a59a9:g:NDUAAOSwc-tY60Iz
I hope that's OK Des,please remove if inappropriate.
Cheers Dave.
Many Thanks Dave - yes, ist did!
Sorry, didn't think about being appropriate or not
Borsos
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If this is by any chance a repop of the Avis kit, it's not a bad start. Speculation on my part, but hopefully we'll see some sprue shots soon.
Going by this it looks to be a brand new run.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/1071435-mikromir-32-001-fokker-e-v-d-viii
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Remember this one guys, it is the Avis kit that I built way back in 2011.
Here is a full build log of the model; http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page21.html
Des.
(https://s25.postimg.org/ceecjk0m7/cover_x_6.jpg)
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Remember this one guys, it is the Avis kit that I built way back in 2011.
Here is a full build log of the model; http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page21.html
Des.
I sure do! I Bookmarked it before I started My Avis build. I pulled the trigger on the Mikro Mir re- do, just couldn't resist ;D Now all I have to do is tell SWMBO :-[
RAGIII
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Has anyone seen the PE bits? I'm thinking MG jackets, and a seat belt.
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Those are absolutely avis sprues. And $30 is not a baf price at all. A couple years back there was a guy selling them for $26 on ebay and i snapped one up. I never understood the reason for the high initial pricing of this kit and i originally got the 1st one i bought from mrkit usa aka ole mike taylor for very reasonable. Would never have paid the $89.99 orig list price the kit is/was too crude albeit it did build up into a decent model using doug baumanns 4 color lozenge. Wonder what happened to those guys.
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And thanks to the efforts of Dan-San Abbott (RIP), Ronny Bar, and others, we won't be left painting the wing solid green ;)
Even so an august source as Windsock Datafile 25 lists the paint schedule with listed colors Mocha Brown/Azure Blue/Violet/True Green as "Possibly mixed together to achieve the factory dark olive.. ." I'd always wondered why one would go to the trouble to mix so many colors, when "olive" is so easily achieved using black & yellow.
Speaking of which, will we now see a run on copies of Datafile 25????
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Got mine! Still with the 8.95 sticker on it. After reading the color notes, I wondered about the color mixing as well.
The PE has MG jackets, ends w/ ring sights, belts, and some sort of gun/cowling piece. I'm hoping this will spark some lozenge sets as well.
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Cmon lozenge sets. Have we become that spoiled where every kit has to have cookie cutter decals? Maybe im a glutton for punishment but i think it looks more authentic qhen you put it on bolt by bolt and stick separate rib tape decals which sit that fraction proud of the wing like a real rib tape. Sorry i have this conspiracy theory that making things too easy causes loss of my skill. Plus i think its fun to do it the old fashioned way. I know im an idiot .
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Just had notification that mines been dispatched :) Datafile already bought - at this rate this could prove a distraction from my current distraction if you see what I mean :-\
Shared with the Vickers Gunbus I do have a soft spot for this aircraft for some reason - just the catalyst required to get back on stream I think - can't wait!
Tug
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Just had notification that mines been dispatched :) Datafile already bought - at this rate this could prove a distraction from my current distraction if you see what I mean :-\
Shared with the Vickers Gunbus I do have a soft spot for this aircraft for some reason - just the catalyst required to get back on stream I think - can't wait!
Tug
Where did you order yours from Tug if I may ask?
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Got my ebay notification as well.
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Got my ebay notification as well.
Same here!
RAGIII
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Where did you order yours from Tug if I may ask?
Hi Toby - Ukraine seller on UK Ebay (see link on earlier post) I see Hannants has it on 'future releases' too but not on pre-order as yet.
Tug
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There appear to be two ebay sellers: "eugene_lemeshko" and "linsal77"
At first I was disappointed by the limited kit markings options, but then realized that I could model Udet's famous D.VIII 238/18 LO!/Du auch nicht! (Not you either!) ;) At the price of these kits, I won't have to feel like I'm "sacrificing" one (as it would be for a WnW kit) just to do a "counterfactual"
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Got my ebay notification as well.
Same here!
RAGIII
Ditto, although the listing stated would mail April, 20. Hoping for the best!!! ;D
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Remember this one guys, it is the Avis kit that I built way back in 2011.
Here is a full build log of the model; http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page21.html
Des.
(https://s25.postimg.org/ceecjk0m7/cover_x_6.jpg)
Lovely model Des and excellent build log.
I got stuck after sealing up fuselage with my Avis kit as I couldn't decide whether to do Osterkamp or Sachsenberg yellow stripes or diamonds. I was going to do the bumble bee but then thought it'd be too much like copying yours!!
One thing for absolute sure, I'm with you on the wing colour, mine'll be olive green. :)
I don't care what colours appear on the factory plans, at this stage in the war, (phony armistice), the draughtsmen could have specified gold plate on the guns, with as much chance of seeing them through to fruition. (But if anybody else wishes to believe they can see psychedelic shades in the grainy old pics, they have every justification to put flowers in their bongs and go for it!) :) :)
S
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Where did you order yours from Tug if I may ask?
Hi Toby - Ukraine seller on UK Ebay (see link on earlier post) I see Hannants has it on 'future releases' too but not on pre-order as yet.
Tug
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Thanks Tug. I'll wait for Hannants then. Might get 10% discount with a pre order as they often offer it.
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Also received my Ebay notification it's been dispatched.
Nice to see how a smaller company than, for instance Wingnut Wings, can state a release time frame and then dispatch the kits on time.
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Hi all,
I received my kit this morning.
It came in a large 'jiffy' envelope because the kit box wasn't assembled, but laid out flat inside (presumably to cut down on the cost of shipping). However it was easily reassembled and the model parts were not damaged in any way.
I can't post pictures of the contents as photobucket seems to be down.
However you get:
Instruction sheets and history (with colour schemes Sachsenberg, Osterkamp, Udet and 1924 civil markings.
Decals for national markings/instruments etc, but no aircraft colour scheme decals.
Acetate windscreen.
Masking templates for the civil colour scheme.
Photo-etch seat belts, gun cooling jackets and sights, post was gun decking cover.
8 plastic sprues with all model parts.
I have both the Falcon Vac and Battleaxe kits, and this Mikromir kit seems better quality. I don't know how much is unchanged from the Avis kit.
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Yep, mine too SB.
Same packaging and all fine - well pleased with it. The 'new' wing looks new compared to the rest of the parts but with minimal engraved lines. Some of the finer parts are a mite agricultural, the struts are very thin so may get replaced with tubing - a bit of flash here and there but overall it has merit and with some TLC here and there has the makings for a fine little project . I guess a trip to Hannants for some of Richard's lozenge decals is now called for - sooner rather than later :)
Tug
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I've got the Windsock Data File 25 for this aircraft and it has several colour schemes, including photos of the civil version in the kit.
Drop me a PM if you want any data.
I'll post pictures of the kit contents once photobucket is back online (down for maintenance so Facebook says).
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Thanks SB but I'm okay for info.
Have the data file, an old 'Profile' publication and the versions in the Eduard 1/48 kit to choose from. Not sure which I way I shall go as yet but definitely with a lozenge fuselage.
Thanks again, good luck with yours
Tug
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(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/001_zpsraaly39k.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/004_zps14omo5sv.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/003_zpsbecc8rhy.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/002_zpsoj6nzq9l.jpg)
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It is hard to tell for sure but the parts "Look" to be molded a little cleaner than the Avis offering. As for the wing, I can't see any difference in the photo. I guess I will find out when my kit arrives.
RAGIII
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It is hard to tell for sure but the parts "Look" to be molded a little cleaner than the Avis offering. As for the wing, I can't see any difference in the photo. I guess I will find out when my kit arrives.
RAGIII
What was wrong with the Avis wing? I'm not disputing there was an error with it, I just don't know what it was.
Regards
Russell
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It is hard to tell for sure but the parts "Look" to be molded a little cleaner than the Avis offering. As for the wing, I can't see any difference in the photo. I guess I will find out when my kit arrives.
RAGIII
What was wrong with the Avis wing? I'm not disputing there was an error with it, I just don't know what it was.
Regards
Russell
To my knowledge there was nothing "wrong" with the Avis wing, Although it does take a boat load of sanding. It was stated when the Mikro Mir kit was announced that they had a "New" wing molding. So as stated I do not see a difference. No problem from my perspective, just curious.
RAGIII
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Im curious with the marking options - is there a profile provided for the decals of "Lo!"? Assuming again that is a "hypothetical" scheme not based on a real photo?
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Hi all,
I've read elsewhere that during 1918, Udet did fly a Fokker D.VIII (converted from E.V standard), Serial No.238/18). That aircraft, which was armed, was fitted an experimental fuel tank in the undercarriage fairing. The photo's show it had lozenge scheme fuselage.
After the war ended, Udet flew a Fokker D.VIII (serial not known) against Robert von Greim in mock combat/airshows in Bavaria. The 'Lo' colour profile supplied in the kit is possibly extrapolated from his Fokker D.VII wartime scheme.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/008_zpsfckelev5.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/012_zps3r9zzczf.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/011_zpsxjxekegt.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/sandbagger4/odds/010_zps2sdfizui.jpg)
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Ahh - thankya for posting the other schemes/profiles!
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Here is a poster from the immediate post war period advertising the mock dogfights that Udet and von Greim used to fly together. Udet flew the Fokker D.VIII
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/WWI%20posters/UdetampGreimfliegen_zpsc59be8b6.jpg)
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/WWI%20posters/Rumplerschaufliegt.jpg)
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Good find there Jamo :)
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I received my MikroMir kit yesterday, and also have the Avis kit. The only difference I see between the old and new wings is the quality of the molding. The new wings have cleaner edges with no rough areas, and the large sprue posts from the Avis wings are gone. The new scribing is a bit more even too.
In these photos, the MikroMir wings are on the sprue, and the corresponding Avis pieces are to the outside.
The inside surfaces:
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af119/petero380/Avis%20vs%20MikroMir%20wings%20inside.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/user/petero380/media/Avis%20vs%20MikroMir%20wings%20inside.jpg.html)
The outside surfaces:
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af119/petero380/Avis%20vs%20MikroMir%20wings%20outside.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/user/petero380/media/Avis%20vs%20MikroMir%20wings%20outside.jpg.html)
Peter
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So it looks as though there is no difference other than a little less flash on the Mikro Mir wings.
RAGIII
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Yup, that's about it. The big sprue towers caused sink marks on the outsides, so not having them is a plus too.
Peter
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Some solid late 60s/early 70s molding going on here.
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Some solid late 60s/early 70s molding going on here.
The Molding is typical Roden / Limited production. They have made no claim to being WNW. I received mine today and confirm what the photos show. A cleaned up Avis kit with PE and new decals. I am really looking forward to Pheons decals!
RAGIII
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Yes, it's not WNW, but overall it's a nice kit. I'm going to plus mine with a Vector resin engine, Aviattic Dr.I cowling (so the Vector engine will fit), Master Models Spandaus and HGW seatbelts. I also have the Part PE set for the Dr.I, much of which will be usable on the E.V also.
I'd like to do the yellow/black diamonds markings, but without decals that's a non-starter. The WNW Fokker D.VII (Fok) kit had the same pilot's diamond markings, but I doubt they would fit the E.V, which is more of a Dr.I fuselage shape than a D.VII.
Peter
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Peter, The difficulty in reproducing "Sachsenberg's Diamonds" on the D.VIII using the WnW 32011 decals is not so much fuselage shape as it is size of the diamonds (roughly 8mm on the diagonals on the 320011 sheet)
Many profile/illustrations I've come across (including the MikroMir illustration) seem to assume that a regular pattern of evenly-spaced diamonds was used as a template, and simply "cut-to-fit" the sides, top, and bottom of the D.VIII, like a modeler would do if covering all sides of the fuselage from a printed sheet of Black/Yellow diamonds.
If, on the other hand, one assumes that the pattern was regular on the sides but altered on the fuselage top & bottom (like his D.VII) then I think fitting the 32011 decals to the D.VIII might not be so much a problem. Some of the D.VII profiles on the net show only TWO full rows of diamonds on the fuselage sides, which match almost EXACTLY the diamond size on the WnW sheet. I know, because I just pulled out the WnW sheet & compared it to the MikroMir fuselage
I've read of but never seen photos of Sachsenberg's D.VII with (faintly visible) diamonds and a "face" of so some sort on the cowl.
Hope this helps,
Rob
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Rob, the photo you're referring to is in Osprey Naval Aces of WW1 Part 2, which also has color profile, plan and front views of Sachsenberg's E.V. I have the PDF version, and the photo is not contrasty enough to show the diamonds, but it does have "eyes" on the cowling. The photo is also online here, along with a discussion of the scheme:
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161073&postcount=10
The Osprey profile does show two rows of diamonds along the fuselage side, and two rows along the top, with the diamond sizes decreasing as the fuselage narrows.
Peter
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One last comment on the Mikro Mir EV/DVIII. I couldn't resist removing the wing from the sprue and cleaning up, and test fitting. I have to say that the fit is FAR SUPERIOR to the original Avis wing.
RAGIII