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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: davecww1 on January 28, 2015, 10:16:53 AM
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Here is another of my Nieuports, this is part 2 of my Nieuports over Verdun series. I have already completed the Victor Chapman N.1148, and in this photo it shows that I did 4 sets of wings and tails to start the series. (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n2_2.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n1_2.jpg)
Wings and tail seen here are for Victor Chapman's N.11, Paul Pavelka's N.16, Georges Guynemer's N.11 and Jean Navarre's N.16.
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Here is the kit used, Eduard #1103 Nieuport 16. This kit has also been released as a Weekend edition but does not include the photoetched sheet or the decal options for Belgian and British versions.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/GEDC0002_1.jpg)
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The references I used were:
Over The Front Volume 24 No 4, which has 2 useful articles by Alan D. Toelle, "A White-Faced Cow and the Operational History of the Escadrille Americane N.124 to September 1916" and "Lewis Guns in N.124"
Nieuport Flyers of the Lafayette by Jon Guttman
The first has a story about Paul Pavelka's odd camouflage, which is supposed to be a cow hide! It even has his "brand" on the fuselage side. the second article shows the correct Lewis gun used on this aircraft by Pavelka.
Both of these books have artwork by Robert Karr, Bob Pearson and Ronny Bar, which are really helpful when painting this odd looking plane.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n16084.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n16085.jpg)
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The rudder stripes were used from Americal Gryphon's Lafayette Escadrille Early Nieuport sheet, but from the above references I would conclude that the medium blue used in the decals does not match the dark blue used on the Nieuports. I mixed up my own batch of a darker blue with a violet tinge, and brushed it over the rudder stripes and cockade centers.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n_1.jpg)
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The main difference in the Nieuport 11 and the 16 is the engine, the N.11 had an 80hp LeRhone 9C and the N.16 had a 110hp LeRhone 9J. The Eduard kit has a beautiful 80hp engine, but for the N.16 kit they want you to turn the engine around and put the intake tubes on the back side of the engine... Looks ok but is not too accurate, as the tubes will be going on the wrong side of the cylinders, and would mean the 110hp engine would rotate the opposite direction as the 80hp. This is a bad design by Eduard, they should have retooled the 110hp engine used in the N.16 and N.17 kits. Instead they tried to save money and have an inaccurate engine. But luckily Taurus Models offers a resin kit of the 110hp LeRhone engine, which is what I used. After assembling the cylinders it was able to fit inside the cowling. I sanded down the inside of the cowl a little thinner to allow the rockers to fit properly. My resin kit had a couple of the spark plugs missing, but when the cowl is installed only the bottom 4 cylinders plug are visible so I decided to mount the engine without allowing it to rotate, so the bottom cylinders will be fully detailed with plugs and wires but the upper ones under the cowl will not have plugs.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3a.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3b.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3d.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3e.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n3c.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n4_1.jpg)
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Just a note on the cowl, the Eduard Nieuport 16 instructions call for cowl A14 to be used. this is incorrect, as it is the early N.11 cowl, the larger 110hp engine required a larger more open cowl. I suggest you use part A18, which is called out as a DO NOT USE part, and A8 would also work. Both need the inner edge to be thinned a little to give it a scale edge and allow the cylinders to fit between the firewall and front of cowl.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n2a.jpg)
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For the interior, I used the photoetched sidewalls and added a d shaped strip of styrene rod to represent the round tube that the throttle and oil pulsator were mounted to. I scratchbuilt the pulsator from stretched clear sprue, and added a resin seat with cushion and belts as well as a resin foot trough to allow the floor to be seen below the foot trough. I added a few wires and gauges and all else is out of the box. I tilted the stick a little to the right as well as the rods that work the alierons to match my posed ailerons on the wing.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n5_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n6_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n7_1.jpg)
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I like the camo version.
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WOW Dave! Fantastic array of wings and tails, all beautifully done! I love your interior, just enough for 1/48th! The wood color is perfect and I can see you intimated the strips in your painting. All VERY WELL DONE!
RAGIII
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What an awesome job you have done on the wings, all beautifully painted, and the interior work is excellent.
Des.
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Brilliant start, Dave, and, as usual, awesome innards!
Cheers,
Bud
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Hourrrah! 4 nieuport!
I'm fan! at 1/48, great!
seeing the wing , naverre Ni-16 is the n° 1136 isn't it? I wil have to doit too so I take a chair...
One thing the camo you use is quite strange to my eyes and seems the french WWII three tone camouflage
(http://www.legang.fr/maquettes/Bloch%20MB152Tichot/petites%20photos/C.jpg)
you use grey colour? it seems to me that it was two tone of green and two tone of brown isn't it?
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7135/7754560416_f777bbf380_b.jpg)
In my personal opinion you should repeint the ligt grey in ligt green...
Xan
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Hi Xan, for the light green I used the Misterkit French gray green. This is very close to the color in the Belgian Nieuport Autochrome you posted, if you look at the right wing next to the cockade it is similar to this color and it is also close to the light green as shown in the profiles in my two references. The gray in the ww2 scheme is not what I used, might be the light in my workshop making them look gray but there is definitely a green shade to my eyes. The colors that I used are the 4 color scheme as written about by Alan Toelle in Windsock International. Two browns and two greens, with light blue undersurface and horizon blue outlines.
Thanks
Dave
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looks great dave. these are good kits but like you said inaccurate engines for the 16s an 17s. they could have made a small separate sprue with the dr.1 engine and it would have been better, but you taurus looks super.
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Exellent work Dave.
Martin
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hello dave
good detail work in the cockpit
it would be interesting to know which colors you have used; I am speaking about model reference paint for green, brown and blue
for information, you can notice than the exhaust tringlerie is on the other side of the cylinder
cheers
philippe
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Thanks Phillipe. For the paints I tried to match the colors in my listed references. I went with the closest out of the bottle colors and used a combination of acrylic and enamels since I prefer enamels but two of the colors I found in the Misterkit acrylic WW1 line and they look the part. for the lower surfaces I used Misterkit French light blue. For the 4 color upper surface camouflage I used Misterkit French gray green for the light green, Model Master French Khaki for the dark green, French Chestnut brown for the dark brown and Leather for the red brown. Remember that the paints that Nieuport used on the early Nieuports was not the same as the later French 5 color scheme as it did not have aluminum powder mixed with it, but was just a pigmented color that was sprayed on the aircraft. there was some transparency and where the colors overlapped it seems to be blended together. The outlines painted on the wings and metal struts as well as the interior metal work was done in Model master Intermediate blue to represent the Horizon blue color. While these may not be perfect matches for the actual paint used they look close to the profiles in my references and also to the Autochromes of the Belgian Nieuport and the French Nieuport 16.
As far as the fuselage goes, that will be coming soon!
Dave
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Hello Dave:
I like the work you are doing on the cockpit and the painting looks to be spot on. These are neat airplanes and it will be neat to see your collection all lined up. Looking forward to seeing more.
Best
Mark
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Thank you dave
it's very impressive to see so many references about the two principal standard colors of Nieuports.
For example, only with Eduard and Gunze, we can find, green H319 H405 H422 and brown H47 H84 H406 ...
I will follow your Nieuports
Best
philippe
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Hi Philippe,
Here is another important reference for the early Nieuport colors written by Alan D. Toelle, and is the best scientific study on the subject available from one of the writers of the Project Butterfly series on the French 5 color metallized camouflage that appeared in Cross & cockade years ago. This is Windsock International Vol 23 No 5 and also No 6.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n16086.jpg)
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Over the weekend I began the fuselage painting, first a coat of white primer was applied. Next I scanned the color profiles of Pavelka's aircraft in the Over the Front article, and reduced them to 1/48 scale. I printed them out and used them to cut masks from Tamiya tape and covered all of the white areas. I also masked the upper fuselage and bottom of the fuselage to allow me to spray the lighter colors later. I sprayed Model Master Leather for the red brown, for some reason this did not dry flat but stayed glossy and took a long time to dry. Once it dried I sprayed a mix of Mode Master French Chestnut Brown and black for the dark brown. Once it dried I masked off the fuselage sides, and sprayed the upper fuselage with a mix of Model Master British Gulf Lt Stone and White to give me a French yellow shade. I masked off the spot behind the cockpit and sprayed the upper fuselage a mix of Model Master Forest Green and RLM 02 gray. I wanted the colors on the fuselage to be different from the wings since this was an old aircraft that had been repaired and repainted several times and used by Bert Hall and several other pilots before Pavelka got it.
The bottom of the fuselage was painted Misterkit French Light blue to finish the basic colors as seen here.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n9_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n8_1.jpg)
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I used a brush to repair some damaged areas in the paint, and also a fine brush and Leather paint to make the small lines between the colors as shown in the profile, and a little darker color to do the fine lines over the white stripes. Next I masked off the aluminum cowling, side panels and reinforcement between the forward fuselage and upper deck, then I airbrushed this area with some Floquil Old Silver.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n11_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n10_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n12_1.jpg)
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Dave,
Absolutely outstanding! Cow hide indeed!
RAGIII
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what an original camouflage. sirely paint in the field.
I haven't found picture of this plane in the web, only this paint:
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/eaf2177820f2ddd5c5c349f6f55e85f3/tumblr_ngujmzrytQ1u5z9tdo1_500.jpg)
it si obviously this plane. is there any picture of it ?
cage à poule, member of this forum did the plane when bert flew it.
(http://nsm03.casimages.com/img/2010/07/14//1007140352301033186401130.jpg)
(http://nsm03.casimages.com/img/2010/07/14//1007140408261033186401216.jpg)
(http://idata.over-blog.com/2/40/49/10/Bert-hall/fini002.jpg)
This is another one or it 's the same?
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/01/31//15013109265118634312919783.jpg)
anyway your camouflage is very interesting, and very well done.
the darker color is bdark brown isn't it?
The bottom of the fuselage was painted Misterkit French Light blue to finish the basic colors as seen here.
it could have been fabric color too, wich was the colors of the apparence of the nieuport before the camouflage appears in 1916.
Xan
Xan
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Very nice Xan. I was thinking of doing BERT at first but decided to do the later version as painted by Pavelka, as it is a one-off scheme and will stand out of a collection of camouflaged Nieuports. But in Alan Toelle's article in Windsock we learn that the underside of Hall's Nieuport N 1208 was painted sky blue at the factory. Both Pavelka and Hall have written that the underside was sky blue, and Alan has found information from 14 May 1916 that says to "tint the undersurfaces of the camouflaged airplanes to light blue". He concludes that aircraft with serial # N1201 and higher had the blue undersides. So we can safely say that aircraft with lower serial #'s had the clear doped linen underside, while those later (which would include the early Nieuport 17's) would be light blue.
Also the photo you posted of BERT is the same aircraft, Bert Hall repainted it twice, the second time one side was as shown in the photo, and the other side had the mirror image of his name so it read TREB.
I have one photo of Pavelka's scheme, it appears in the Over the Front issue shown above. I will see if I can find this image online and post it, as I prefer not to scan and post photos from copyrighted books and magazines.
Dave C
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Outstanding work and your research is SOLID!
RAGIII
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Both Pavelka and Hall have written that the underside was sky blue, and Alan has found information from 14 May 1916 that says to "tint the undersurfaces of the camouflaged airplanes to light blue". He concludes that aircraft with serial # N1201 and higher had the blue undersides. So we can safely say that aircraft with lower serial #'s hade the clear doped linen underside, while those later (which would include the early Nieuport 17's) would be light blue.
All right, some bébé were truelly paint in blue or blue varnish before the camouflage appears, as the Ni-11 of Verdun memorial mooks like:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Nieuport_11BB_Memorial_de_Verdun_2.JPG)
wikipedia
the most famous of them is the Guynemer's one, the n°836
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Profils/003_Nieuport11_Vieux_Charle.jpg)
(http://www.vadelaincourt.info/images/guynemer_vcharle.jpg)
http://www.vadelaincourt.info/aviateur.htm (http://www.vadelaincourt.info/aviateur.htm)
cage à poule, again did this model:
(http://idata.over-blog.com/2/40/49/10//vieuxcharlesdessus.jpg)
(http://idata.over-blog.com/2/40/49/10//Nieuport11.jpg)
in my opinion this blue had to be horizont blue, the same you used around the wings...
Xan
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Very nice painting Dave.
Martin
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Hi Xan,
If you look at my first photo you can see that one of the planes in my Nieuports over Verdun series is the blue N.11 flown by Guynemer. I painted this with the same color that I used for the outlines on all of my camouflaged Nieuports.
In the first part of the Windsock article Toelle mentions there were several solid colors, including horizon blue and cream. At first I thought that the horizon blue would be the same color as the outlines so I painted my wings that color but every profile and built model of this plane shows the lighter blue. That brings into question exactly what color Horizon blue is, if we look at the French Horizon blue uniform here is what we get: (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/horizonblue.jpg)
So I am thinking that this shade is lighter than the color used around the edges of the wings and the metal struts. Perhaps I will use that as a base color and give it a thin coat of light gray to tone it down a little.
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If you look at my first photo you can see that one of the planes in my Nieuports over Verdun series is the blue N.11 flown by Guynemer.
Oh sorry!
the color you used seems accurate to my eyes...
Anyway I am always asking my self about this blue coat. Is the 836 the only one ? if not how much and why?
One problem is that this color is very difficult to detect in B&W pics...
Xan
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Dave!
Somehow I missed your initial posting of this "batch build", and I'm so sorry, but glad I've caught up. :D You're doing a great job, and I like the theme you've chosen. We've had some great times in the past discussing Nieuports, and I'll definitely be following you on this one and cheerleading for you from the sidelines.
I hope to get back to my Nieuports soon as well. Not sure just yet what schemes I'm going to be doing, and I may leave it as a surprise.
I like your custom mix for the blue on the roundels and rudder, I'm currently looking for something off the shelf that is close. I'm also going to have to resort to masks I think.
Too bad that in my scale the only only Nie.11's and 16's are the Toko/Eastern Express kits. There was a T.C. Berg Nie.11 on ebay I tried to win, but it got way to rich for my blood at $52.00. :P :'(
I'm really looking forward to your progress on this. I just finished re-reading the Nieuport Flyers of the LE DFS last night.
Warren
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Dave!
Somehow I missed your initial posting of this "batch build", and I'm so sorry, but glad I've caught up. :D You're doing a great job, and I like the theme you've chosen. We've had some great times in the past discussing Nieuports, and I'll definitely be following you on this one and cheerleading for you from the sidelines.
I hope to get back to my Nieuports soon as well. Not sure just yet what schemes I'm going to be doing, and I may leave it as a surprise.
I like your custom mix for the blue on the roundels and rudder, I'm currently looking for something off the shelf that is close. I'm also going to have to resort to masks I think.
Too bad that in my scale the only only Nie.11's and 16's are the Toko/Eastern Express kits. There was a T.C. Berg Nie.11 on ebay I tried to win, but it got way to rich for my blood at $52.00. :P :'(
I'm really looking forward to your progress on this. I just finished re-reading the Nieuport Flyers of the LE DFS last night.
Warren
your a 1/72 guy too eh....
Been seeing the N.16 at good prices lately on ebay....what I call good is Under $20 shipped lol
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Yeah Cajun, I've got a couple in the stash. I'll tackle them when I feel like dealing with their errors (wrong wing incidence angle, incorrect location for interplane struts, etc.).
Warren
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Yeah Cajun, I've got a couple in the stash. I'll tackle them when I feel like dealing with their errors (wrong wing incidence angle, incorrect location for interplane struts, etc.).
Warren
I feel ya....got a nice little stash of N.11 and N.16's nice.... planning and maybe hoping to do a N.124 Diorama with them one day....one day lol
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Yeah Cajun, I've got a couple in the stash. I'll tackle them when I feel like dealing with their errors (wrong wing incidence angle, incorrect location for interplane struts, etc.).
Warren
Hi Warren,
Sorry to hear the Toko kit has so many problems with the dimensions. I know that Matt Bittner made a corrected master for the wings that Roseparts used to make resin corrections. You might want to contact matt to see if he still has one, would be worth trying to make a mold and resin cast them like the N.11 fuselage you were talking about recently.
Luckily for me, dimensionally the 1/48 scale Eduard Nieuport seems to have no major flaws as far as I know other than the engine for the N.16, ribs match the Windsock Datafile special, the interior photoetch is nice and this will allow me to build a bunch of them!
Dave
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If you look at my first photo you can see that one of the planes in my Nieuports over Verdun series is the blue N.11 flown by Guynemer.
Oh sorry!
the color you used seems accurate to my eyes...
Anyway I am always asking my self about this blue coat. Is the 836 the only one ? if not how much and why?
One problem is that this color is very difficult to detect in B&W pics...
Xan
Hi Xan,
The blue color used by Nieuport was one of the factory applied colors according to toelle's article. he cannot find any information of the qty painted this way but says for the solid colored ones there was horizon blue, cream, and possibly red ochre and green. From the photo you posted of Guynemer's N.836 it is hard to tell what is what since everything appears to be the same color, fuselage, wings, wheels, metal struts and even cowling. Or it could be just the bright sunlight when the photo was taken that makes everything look like a common color. We can look at photos of Chapman's N.11.1148 show that on the cream scheme the metal struts and machine guns appear darker, so they would be the horizon blue, but the cowl is definitely natural metal and there are no outlines on the wings (other than on the camouflaged replacement right lower wing). So it might be a safe assumption to say that the horizon blue Nieuports were painted overall with a horizon blue that matched the French infantry uniform, while the lighter parts would have been the darker blue... this is where it gets confusing, as I have read some comments on the Aerodrome forum on painting the Nieuport 11 replica on display at the San Diego Air Museum, and they say that the metal parts and outlines on the wings were painted to match the earlier Adrian helmets, which is a darker blue than the horizon blue. So there is no way to know for sure, but I think the color that cage a poule used for his N.836 model is a perfect match to the fabric of the Horizon blue french greatcoat that I posted the photo of...
Perhaps we will never know for sure.
Dave
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I do not think we can become too dogmatic about "horizon blue", doing so brings out the historic preservationist, museum employee, living history & reenacting geek in me. I am not a textile expert by any means, nor an expert in WWI uniforms. However, having been a collector before, and having friends who have not only done some pretty in depth research, but have some pretty awesome, advanced collections, I think I can say a thing or two about it with a modicum of "cred".
I know of a young feller who creates true, museum quality replicas of WWI uniforms, and spent a summer in museums across France cataloguing, photographing, etc. French army uniforms and accoutrements. He told me, as an observation, that "horizon blue" ran the gamut from a sky blue, to violet, to purple, to blue, etc. This makes perfect sense to me as some friends of mine had undertaken a study of US Army sack coats during the ACW and looked at about a dozen originals held in the collection of the Smithsonian, US Army Collections, etc. They said if you could have a rainbow out of dark blue, that's what you'd get if you lined them all up side by side. After hearing about my acquaintances research trip to France, and his observations afterward, it only makes sense to me that there would be some variation, etc.
Just my two kopeks,
Warren
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I do not think we can become too dogmatic about "horizon blue", doing so brings out the historic preservationist, museum employee, living history & reenacting geek in me. I am not a textile expert by any means, nor an expert in WWI uniforms. However, having been a collector before, and having friends who have not only done some pretty in depth research, but have some pretty awesome, advanced collections, I think I can say a thing or two about it with a modicum of "cred".
I know of a young feller who creates true, museum quality replicas of WWI uniforms, and spent a summer in museums across France cataloguing, photographing, etc. French army uniforms and accoutrements. He told me, as an observation, that "horizon blue" ran the gamut from a sky blue, to violet, to purple, to blue, etc. This makes perfect sense to me as some friends of mine had undertaken a study of US Army sack coats during the ACW and looked at about a dozen originals held in the collection of the Smithsonian, US Army Collections, etc. They said if you could have a rainbow out of dark blue, that's what you'd get if you lined them all up side by side. After hearing about my acquaintances research trip to France, and his observations afterward, it only makes sense to me that there would be some variation, etc.
Just my two kopeks,
Warren
True Warren, I was also going to post a link showing a row of 5 WW1 French horizon blue uniforms, all different from darker blue gray to the light sky blue, but picked one for consistency's sake since it was almost a perfect match for the model of guynemer's aircraft posted by Xan. Some thoughts for the future but not to worry about for this particular aircraft...
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I do not think we can become too dogmatic about "horizon blue", doing so brings out the historic preservationist, museum employee, living history & reenacting geek in me. I am not a textile expert by any means, nor an expert in WWI uniforms. However, having been a collector before, and having friends who have not only done some pretty in depth research, but have some pretty awesome, advanced collections, I think I can say a thing or two about it with a modicum of "cred".
I know of a young feller who creates true, museum quality replicas of WWI uniforms, and spent a summer in museums across France cataloguing, photographing, etc. French army uniforms and accoutrements. He told me, as an observation, that "horizon blue" ran the gamut from a sky blue, to violet, to purple, to blue, etc. This makes perfect sense to me as some friends of mine had undertaken a study of US Army sack coats during the ACW and looked at about a dozen originals held in the collection of the Smithsonian, US Army Collections, etc. They said if you could have a rainbow out of dark blue, that's what you'd get if you lined them all up side by side. After hearing about my acquaintances research trip to France, and his observations afterward, it only makes sense to me that there would be some variation, etc.
Just my two kopeks,
Warren
True Warren, I was also going to post a link showing a row of 5 WW1 French horizon blue uniforms, all different from darker blue gray to the light sky blue, but picked one for consistency's sake since it was almost a perfect match for the model of guynemer's aircraft posted by Xan. Some thoughts for the future but not to worry about for this particular aircraft...
Egg-zactly.
Warren
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Latest update on a snowy New England weekend... I was looking in the box of Nieuport parts Friday night and cannot find any of the clear canopies from the 3 Eduard kits in the box... I'm sure they were in the original Eduard boxes but have been misplaced over the years since I started these. so I decided to open up another Nieuport 11 kit in my stash and make a resin copy of the canopy (windscreen may be a more accurate term...) this allowed me to pull out my old Mattel Vac-u-Form which I restored a couple of years ago with a new pattern holder and seals for the vacuum pump. The secret to getting this to work I have found out is to let it warm up 10-15 minutes before your first pul, then once it is warmed properly you only need to heat the plastic sheet a couple of minutes before you can get a good pull. I made 4 nice copies so I will have enough to finish the three in the works and replace any damaged in the cutting or painting stage.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n14_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n15_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n16_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n17_1.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n18_1.jpg)
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Nice work there Dave.
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Nice work Dave! I do Miss My Old Mattel Vac u Form Machine!
RAGIII
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Another week of work, assembled the lower wing to the fuselage and puttied that all and smoothed it in, not that easy since they were already painted, but I ended up brush painting the light blue bottom with the Misterkit paint, that levels nicely to avoid brush marks and took a couple of coats to blend everything nicely. I scored the horizontal tailplane and bent the elevators to the dropped position as usually seen on the Nieuports on the ground. Then ran a brushful of glue down the score line. Will have to go back with a black wash later as bending it cracked the plastic and some gray plastic is visible between the two blue lines. So I assembled the rear tailplane to the fuselage using a Lego block jig to be sure everything dried straight and level...
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/n19_1.jpg)
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Forgot to mention, I also applied my home made decals to the fuselage, lower wings and tailplane, and rudder. One thing I'm not sure about, the dark brown on the fuselage looks a little too dark to me as it is hard to see the PV brand on the side, but perhaps that is ok since it was supposed to represent a cattle brand on a piece of cow skin so would not be that much of a difference, but I will have to google cowskin I guess to find out how dark the dark brown areas really are!
Also note in photos of this heavily repaired aircraft the center section areas of the wing were repaired and repainted at the Escadrille level, so the repaired area on the upper wing was camouflaged by brush using whatever colors they had. Also you can see clearly in other photos of this plane that the bottom of the wing had a different color in the centersection than on the outer wing area, so I am figuring the outer remained the factory blue while the center area was recovered with clear doped linen or else patched and painted the French Yellow color, so here is my take on that as well. Still have to add a couple of CDL patches to the alierons as seen in photos.
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One last photo for this week, here is an overexposed picture of the fuselage (forgot to turn off the cameras flash) but it gives a nice view of the seat and interior detail visible through the cockpit opening.
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Hi daves! this Ni-16 goes on in a good way!
your camera have big variation from a picture to an another ;)
for the light brown , you use mister kit paint to?
Xan
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Your Nieuport is looking TERRIFIC! Very inspiring scheme! This aircraft is one of the options in the 1/32nd Special Hobby kit. Very tempting 8)
RAGIII
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Very great work and paint Dave.
Martin
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I think you've done a great job on this so far Dave, this a/c is certainly not the easiest to reproduce in terms of paint scheme, etc. I also think it's great that you've reproduced the serials for the wings, tailplane, etc. Many manufacturers forget to do those. Not sure if that's on purpose or not, but it's one of those missing elements from most Nieuport builds as a result.
Warren
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Outstanding work, as usual, Dave! This is going to be a real eye-catcher.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Xan,
The Misterkit paints I used were the Light blue on the bottom and the gray green for the light green. For the browns, I used Model Master enamels, the lighter one is Leather, which gives the red-brown color, and the darker brown on the wings is French chestnut brown. For the fuselage side I mixed this with black to get a darker brown for the cowhide pattern. The lighting may be an issue as I am not using a light source other than my desktop light for the in progress workbench shots. The one photo where the camera flash went off makes the camouflage colors look way light but I posted that one to show off a little of the interior detail.
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Man that camo looks fantastic !
Terri
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After taking the summer off to work on other things like my 1/1 scale car I am back to work on the Nieuport 16. First thing that I did was to scratchbuild the details on the tailskid, and carve a notch in the kit tailskid where a piece of steel wire will go to represent the tailskid. This allows me to make resin copies with the wire in the center of the mold so it comes out with a resin encased rod that will support the weight of the aircraft without breaking. So I will be able to have these resin tailskids for the remaining Nieuport 11 and 16s in my collection. I will have to study and see if the Nieuport 17 and 21 skid are identical.
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I also installed the upper wing and began rigging. I tried using some Modelkasten .06 flexible rigging which looks good but I think it is too black, I will have to try to get a metallic color on it somehow. I used Bob's buckles threaded through 1.5mm tubing for the buckles attached to the fuselage and lower wing. I had trouble getting the superglue to stick to the Modelkasten wire but guess it looks OK.
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I also attached the rudder with a steel pin and added Eduard's photoetched control horns to the stabilizers. I did not want to put any tension on these brass control horns and the control lines need to be tight, so I used a different material, I used the ceramic "Wonder wire" for these. I had to use 2 pieces for the upper, cutting it where it went through the hole in the stabilizer and adding a short piece from there to the control horn. The lower wire is one piece cut to the exact size and attached with superglue.
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Dave,
I use Mr Metal Colour #213 "Stainless" on the Modelkasten thread and it works very well. Just keep it thin and don't go back over it or it will "clump". If you use one pass it looks really great.
Cheers,
Lance
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In the last photo you can get a good view of the resin and wire tailskid after installation. Looks much better than the kit part.
Here is the Lewis gun as used by Paul Pavelka. I found a detailed photo of his gun in the Over the Front issue listed previously. For this gun I needed one with the jacketed barrell & gas tube, so I ordered the Gaspatch Darne Lewis gun. I drilled a hole in the hand grip and squared it off to match the photo of a gun with the hand grip removed. Unfortunately these guns are very brittle and cracked into a few parts but I was able to glue them back together with super glue. I also added the extra hand grip as seen in the photos, and the bowden cable to the trigger fro some fine silver wire. The mount was the kit piece with the holes drilled out and a razor saw was run down the center to make it look like two rods at the top. I painted it a dark gray, gave it a black wash and drybrushed it with powdered graphite to look like gunmetal. then I painted the handles wood and the mount Intermediate blue.
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Thanks lance, I may try that although I don't want to slop any on the painted wings :-\
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Terrific work on the tail control wires and MG!
RAGIII
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You are doing a fantastic job so far Dave, the machine gun looks great.
Des.
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glad to see you back on this project Dave
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Truly brilliant work, Dave! That gun and it's mount are fantastic as is the paint work on the camo.
Cheers,
Bud
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Dave,
Outstanding progress my old friend. That camouflage scheme is a real eye catcher,Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Just a quick photo, hurried to finish this one as I'm travelling down to Virginia this weekend to the WW1 Aero Historian's meeting at Udvar-Hazy so won't be able to get any more photos until I return Sunday. Hope you like this one.
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Outstanding work on this one Dave.
Warren
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A very stunning looking Nieuport Dave, I'm looking forward to seeing more photos of this model.
Des.
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Beautiful Nieuport! One of the best I have seen to date!
RAGIII
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Beautiful Nieuport! One of the best I have seen to date!
RAGIII
I completely agree with my amigo here, Dave! That scheme is spectacular.
Cheers,
Bud
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Exellent work and paint, Dave.
Cheers
Martin
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Very well done Dave, congratulations!