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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 11, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
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Hello Everyone,
I started this kit a couple weeks ago before having good references...and now I got a few and it seems the top wing cutout needs to be much shallower and the elevators were not balanced. Here is what I've done so far.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5185_zpsd121848b.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5184_zps4bf7523e.jpg)
I also go some interior done and have made turnbuckles...but that's for another post.
Thanks for looking!
Dan
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Excellent correction/conversion work! I am looking forward to your further progress!
RAGIII
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This will be a very interesting build Dan, I lookforward to the next update.
Des.
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I'm really going to enjoy following this, Dan. I love conversions.
Cheers,
Bud
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it had that horn looking exhaust too. this is gonna be neat.
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Thanks, Folks... ;)
I've been away from WWI modeling too long and this is so much fun to be rigging etc. again. Nice to get lots of inspiration from this site.
Here's a bit of work making a new elevator that's less angular than the kit item...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5187_zpsbb1ad5cb.jpg)
Here's the kit part...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5184_zps4bf7523e.jpg)
And an overall rather poor shot (but you get the idea! ;))
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5192_zpsff5013be.jpg)
Thanks for looking...Dan
Dan
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Looking very good indeed Dan! It's nice to see someone taking the time to get all of this right. I never would have known, and I've got a couple of these in the stash. :D. Thanks for guiding us on this one. Superior modeling at work here!
Cheers,
Bob
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Nice work on the elevator! All is looking beautiful so far!
RAGIII
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Looks very nice so far Dan.
Martin
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All,
A tiny update: I tried making a turnbuckle. I think it's ok, but a little clunky on the one end. I'll work on those.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5197_zps24cafd44.jpg)
I also made the throttle and cables on the joy stick (and with the digital camera...I just noticed a break in my handle! :-[)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5199_zpsadcfc8c2.jpg)
Finally, I got the top wing finished and ready for paint so now the opening is closer to the prototype (which was much shallower).
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5201_zps552c9920.jpg)
That's all for tonight! Keep on rigging...
Dan
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Terrific work! The wing cutout looks awesome! never know it was altered!!
RAGIII
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Most interesting subject, Great craftmanship! I'll follow this Thread. Richard
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She is taking shape nicely Dan, the interior work looks very good and your turnbuckle is fine, the wing cutout is superb and very well executed.
Des.
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Great work so far Dan, the turnbuckle is a fantastic piece of craftmanship!
Antonio
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Great painting and work Dan.
Martin
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A very interesting project Dan, and some spectacular results so far. Nice work, keep the updates flowing! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent progress, Dan. I really like the seat cushion.
Cheers,
Bud
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Conversion work in 1/32 scale? I would never have thought of it. Where did you say that you had modified the wing? Other work excellent too - a real tribute to your skill.
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Thanks, Folks...it is really coming along very well.
LoneMod: I got a Datafile book on the D-I and II and it explained some differences from the D-I prototype. One of them was the top wing cut out. On the prototype, it only goes up the the second spar near the trailing edge (in line with the aileron hinge line) but the production was lots deeper.
It wasn't hard...Just drew up the new cut out, stacked some plastic sheet, cut it out and glued it in. Lots of sanding and fillling later...taa daa! ;D
Thanks for asking...
Dan
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Hello Dan:
You are doing a great job on this 'conversion' to the prototype. Your changes, subtle though they may be, are well done. The control stick fix shoule be an easy fix, hopefully. The turnbuckle looks good as well. Like you said, you are having fun with it.
Looking forward to your next update.
Best
Mark
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Thanks everyone, for the looks and comments. Here is one more tiny update:
I used the Datafile picture showing the light coming through the top of the prototype's wings to try and get the general construction to show through. So far, I only primed the parts and used a colored pencil to rough in the components. I also added the crosses on the undersurface of the top wing.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5202_zps14505ac9.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5203_zpsb2ef35df.jpg)
My next step will be to mix some appropriate linen color and lightly spray. Hopefully, I'll end up with some structure showing through. Maybe tonight!! ;D
Regards to all,
Dan
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Awesome work on the structure! I think this is going to be a beuty!
RAGIII
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Awesome work on the structure! I think this is going to be a beuty!
RAGIII
I agree, looking forward to seeing how you do with this. I would like to do this on one of mine, so you are in the hot seat now! ;)
Best
Mark
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Great work with the structure Dan.
Martin
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All,
Well...I think I over did it. Here is my first try at light spraying over my framework and crosses. You can JUST see the crosses etc. but I think it needs to be more obvious.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5207_zpsada77e31.jpg)
And my frame work? Kind of non-existent. :'(
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5206_zpsc0a496da.jpg)
I actually think it wasn't so much that I applied paint to heavily. Rather, my frame work and markings need to be a bit more obvious. As it says on Des' front page: a learning experience.
Back to the drawing board...Dan
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Dan,
Very interesting experiment. I agree that it need be more pronounced. Perhaps a "bolder' approach to your shaded lines and outlines combined with a thinner paint mix and/or less paint applied. Like Mark I'd like to try this technique on one of my future Builds. I'll be doing some experiments first though, before applying this to a model. I'd recommend you try again right over top of the present finish after a few experimental shots on some scrap.
Great idea, and your Albie is a Winner so far!
Cheers,
Lance
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Well as you said a learning experience. For what it is worth my opinion is just use a darker colored pencil next time as I think your approach was correct. As for the cross, it seems to need to be just a tad darker, at least in the photo, so perhaps starting with a straight black cross would work? I am sure with your skills you will figure things out!!
RAGIII
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Thats a neat idea using a colouring pencil. Never entered my mind before. I cant add much more to what was said except I'm enjoying watching how this all comes together.
JAmes
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Really nice conversion/upgrading work, Dan. I'm sure you will nail the
wing lines and crosses next attempt. Just a little darker and you will have it.
Looking forward to the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Wing Linen Mk.II
Here it is so far with some sun light through it and the top crosses painted on. The bottoms are in the process.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5211_zpsec8b712d.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5212_zps37645290.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5213_zps78704ffc.jpg)
I think it's not a complete wash this time and there is still some fine tuning to do. All in all, I think it will pass.
Thanks for looking and the previous words of encouragement and suggestions.
Dan
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Looks EXCELLENT to me. The see through effect looks difficult. Too little and you have NO effect, too much and it looks like stripes on the undersurface. Yours is Terrific.
RAGIII
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It Comes very nice along.
Martin
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Hello Dan:
I think you nailed it pretty darn good this go around. It isn't in your face aware but it is there. I like it. Nicely done and nice recovery. Looking forward to seeing you progress through the build.
Best
Mark
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Hi Dan,
As Mark says, you nailed it. Great build so far, I'm enjoying following it.
Tom
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Thanks, everybody! This is a really fun build/conversion.
Just a tiny update: I closed the fuselage slowly in stages and did the same on the upper cockpit part. Done carefully, very little filling was needed. In fact, I only needed the fill the rear seam behind the coaming and just a few areas along the fuselage half seams. There were a couple of sink holes back near the rudder as well...
I then rescribed lines and added wood seams under the coaming based on the Datafile issue I have. It's all been primed and is now ready for some wood treatment!
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5215_zpsea7d2bb7.jpg)
I will say that when looking at the Datafile, the seams between plywood components are almost impossible to see...especially in 1/32n scale. I like the look of the "panel line" but it's probably more accurate to just cover them up with putty and just paint carefully with varying shades of wood and grain to denote panels. Maybe next time!
Anyway, I hope to get the wood applied over the weekend. Stay tuned... ;D
Cheers to you all,
Dan
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That is probably the best fit I have seen on the coaming and cowl of any Roden 1/32nd Albatros! As for the panel lines, yes painting variations would most likely be more correct scale wise. But like you and many others, this is one place I have gotten used to ignoring scale for Artistic License!
RAGIII
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Hello Everyone...
I started the wood/plywood parts of the fuselage. Here are some in progress shots. I am going for a very clean look while still getting some subtle tonal variation as the photos seem to show it being very light. I think it's s bit dark but it looks ok from here.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5217_zps58bd5864.jpg)
I also tried to make the characteristic knots in the wood in various locations. These look pretty good but are hard to photograph especially under some varnish as the darn camera didn't really want to focus!
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5218_zps822cd8f7.jpg)
But I think you get it overall. I'll try and finish the nose parts next and hopefully post a shot of it unmasked soon :) :)
Thanks for looking and have a great week...Dan
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Excellent Dan!
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Outstanding Dan! I love what you have achieved with the wood finish!
RAGIII
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Thanks Bo and RAGIII...coming from you guys this means a lot! 8)
Here is the last part all unmasked and under some protective varnish. I still need to add the other metal parts but I'm calling it pretty much done from here.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5221_zpsa5c7b59f.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5220_zps132e1373.jpg)
I can't wait to mask off the fuselage and tail markings ;D
Thanks for looking...Dan
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Beautiful work. Really like that.
James
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Outstanding wood effect Dan. Very nice work; looking forward to Her with markings applied.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks, James and Lance...
The detail painting will be fun. It's starting to look like an airplane now ;D
Cheers,
Dan
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Absolutely perfect wood work, Dan!
Cheers,
Bud
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Lovely work, Dan. The subtle approach to the wood seems just right to me.
Best wishes
Nigel
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An exellent wood paint Dan.
Martin
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Hi Dan:
I like the contrast between the wood and the linen of the wings and control surfaces. You have captured that look quite well. I am looking forward to seeing you continue to post update and the progress.
Best
Mark
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Absolutely perfect wood work, Dan!
Cheers,
Bud
+1! That's wood finish is very pleasing to the eye, Dan. ;D Very nicely done.
Cheers,
Bob
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I'm not sure how, but I seem to have overlooked this build up to now.
She's looking VERY nice Dan, wonderful woodwork! Going back a stage or two, I find it helps with the underside "transparency" to give it a coat of white before marking the interior structure and crosses etc. - it helps the contrast.
Ian
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Dan , following on Hyperscale and now I can view it here as well , Awesome !
Terri
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Thanks Martin, Mark, Bob, Ian and Terri ("THE" Terri? :D)
I am very pleased how it's going so far...the wood looks much better than I expected!
And thanks for the tip, Ian. I might still play around a bit with the transparency issues. I can't decide if I like darker showing through, or taping off the tops of ribs and shading with pastels...hmmmm. I did notice that my painting was a bit easier the second time since I already had my aborted first attempt over the primer.
We'll see how things go. More work on it tonight!
Thanks again everyone.
Dan
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Yes Dan , ( the Terri ) :)
Terri
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Just a test fit of the upper wing and I painted the metal parts and cockpit coaming and added the radiators. Next will be the fuselage and rudder markings!
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5223_zpsc3643268.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5224_zps2d6a8820.jpg)
Looking good...Dan ;D
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It looks wounderful Dan.
Martin
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Looks great! That Pylon sure does make mounting the wing easy!
RAGIII
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Tiny Update...Finally...
Here is a shot of the markings painted onto the rudder and fuselage based on prototype photos. They are pretty small and also in different locations (slightly) than the production ships.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5226_zps42df74bd.jpg)
I'm just glad to finally get to do some modeling. ;D
Thanks for looking.....Dan
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Looking extremely good Dan, the wood is excellent.
Des.
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Really well done, Dan. I am completely taken with your fuselage "wood".
I wonder if you could give a bit of an explanation of your woodish technique?
Amazing stuff. :D Looking forward to the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Excellent work on your crosses! Like the others I still Love your wood painting!
RAGIII
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This is shaping up to be a beautiful piece of work, Dan. Like Ernie, I'm very much looking forward to the next updates.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Wounderful painting Dan.
Martin
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Thanks, everyone. I do like this model and making it a prototype makes it a bit different. PLUS...I could always get another D-I and finish it as a production machine...then get a D-II....a D-III etc. ::) ::)
I'm afraid the Albatros series is my favorite.
Wood: Let's see...I primed with Tamyia fine grey primer and then painted a light shade of beige. I then sprayed it with "Future" to protect it. Then I masked off individual panel areas and splotched on burnt sienna oils with an old brush and smoothed it with a paper towel and a long soft brush. Masking the panels became more difficult since things weren't dry, but it all turned out. I tried to leave different amounts of oil paint on different panels for variety. I also did the WNW trick of brushing and scrubbing the paint in different directions on different panels. That's all pretty standard I think...
The problem was that these planes showed lots of knots in the paneling. So I experimented and ended up adding tiny (really small...tip of 000 paintbrush-small) dots of straight burnt sienna. Then, I used a really soft long-haired brush to ever-so-gently tug and pull the spot in a planned direction. This also faded it in a bit and made it look sort of like a knot. The cool thing was that if I went overboard and they disappeared, I can simply try again. For those in the US (maybe elsewhere?) this technique is like the old "Happy Painting" with William Alexander and, later, Bob Ross...when they used a very light touch to blend and move water to make reflections while pulling tree lines and mountains into a glassy-smooth lake. Pretty cool stuff.
Lastly, I oversprayed with Future tinted with a TINY bit of Tamyia clear orange. It actually didn't tint too much and bits of the orange shot out at times, but it still looks ok. Most of my wood treatments use straight clear orange and I think that looks pretty great...but the shots I saw of this plane suggest it was really light. In fact, I think my final color is still too brown but it will pass.
Anyway, I hope this long discussion isn't too boring and explained a bit how I did the wood. Let me know if you have any other questions. :)
More soon,
Dan
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Hello All,
A bit more tonight. I put the bottom wings on, the rudder and painted the rest of the metal fittings. I also made the turnbuckles and started rigging with the landing wires. Slow but steady!
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5229_zps928fb29d.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5228_zps737a5bc7.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5227_zps3c331c1a.jpg)
I'll put on the top wing rigging points and then start cementing the top wing in place...then the rest of the rigging ;D
More soon...
Dan
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I really like your wood effect on this build Dan , outstanding ! :)
Terri
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Looks realy very good.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin and Terri. Much appreciated. Terri...see the previous (I think) post about how I did the wood. Kind of an experiment for me trying to replicate wood knots. ::)
Cheers,
Dan
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Great work on the turnbuckles and metal fittings, Dan! Your
woodwork on the fuselage looks just terrific. I'm looking
forward to the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Just came back for an update, Dan, and She's looking very good. The details and metal fasteners are coming along beautifully, looking forward to more 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Got the top wing on! Straight as can be. Really easy to attach owing to that lovely cabane (Though I didn't use their attachment points since that would have given it too much stagger...I think).
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5230_zps458f03b5.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5231_zps00d93c09.jpg)
Just need to finish rigging and it will be nice and secure. ;) :D
Thanks for looking,
Dan
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It is a beatiful work Dan.
Martin
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The pylon cabane arrangement does make things easy as I mentioned before. As for the Stagger, it was adjustable so I used the kit supplied locations and it came out fine! Yours looks fantastic all around!!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Guys...I love this little kit!
RAG: I do see that the upper wing was adjustable. What I was struggling with is that I can't tell if the prototype had the same amount of stagger as the production machines...in the photos I see the interplanes almost appear to be perpendicular with the wing surfaces...so that's what I was worried about. I just set the top wing as far back as I could and it looks ok!
Thanks again for the time and responses.
Happy Saturday/Sunday!
Dan
Off topic...my wife and children just flew off to Minnesota so I'm at home alone building and watching movies. I just finished watching "Das Boot". I loved it when I saw in 1981 and I love it even more. What a great movie. Now I need to find a "Great War" movie for tonight! ;) ;)
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So far Dan this has been an outstanding project to follow a long ! ;D
Terri
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the albie d type that started all the fuss. very nice work man. have you started on the exhaust yet?
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Dan,
This is really coming along nicely now - a really good project of yours to follow. I think the light tone wood effect and linen colour for the flying surfaces is spot on.
Regards
Dave
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Oh, my, Dan! This really is lovely! Those early Albatros are the most elegant, imho.
Cheers,
Bud
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Wonderful work especially that wood finish which is so convincing. An interesting build/conversion.
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Thanks, Everyone. Here it is with the rigging done, elevator installed, and landing gear cemented. The wheels are just stuck on for show as well as the prop...
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5233_zps7dde7d08.jpg)
Still needs all the control wires installed and more details etc. but it's really looking the way I wanted it to look.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5234_zps0bcee49f.jpg)
I think the next thing I'll do is rig the landing gear and add bungees. The only painful thing left is the exhaust...no...I haven't started that yet ;)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5235_zpsf66ab9c4.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5232_zpsf47148c1.jpg)
What a nice productive weekend this was. Cheers!
Dan
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Super work, Dan. This is shaping up beautifully. As you say, what a productive weekend.
Best wishes
Nigel
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A true beauty to behold!
RAGIII
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Super job, Dan. One to be proud of! :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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looks great on its wheels with the rigging done. awesome work.
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An exellent work, love it Dan.
Martin
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Beautiful work. Just beautiful.
James
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Lovely Dan. I want one! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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damn good and realistic looking wood! Excellent work
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She is a gorgeous looking Albatros Dan, you have done a superb job with the wood effect, it looks very convincing and the rigging is excellent.
Des.
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All,
Well...got it almost done. The next post will be in the finished pile ;)
I got it all rigged including the control lines and then looked carefully at the prototype shots and saw what I assume is an OUTSIDE rudder control horn...I don't think those were on production machines. So I needed to add that after the fact. I added bungees on the axle, painted most everything...and now all that's needed are a few more details, some shading and...of course...that darn vertical exhaust stack. We'll see if that turns out! ::)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5268_zpsb08558fb.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5272_zps56c43932.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5270_zpsaaee14ad.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5271_zps5de9fbeb.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN5269_zps29b44b6d.jpg)
My son made me the rudder decal of the Albatros Company. He took a full size color shot and reduced it, did some magic and got it dang close to 1/32nd. I then just printed it on decal film. Thanks, Peter!!
Thanks for looking...Dan
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Looking extremely good Dan, the rigging is very well done and the decals, especialy the little tail decal, look excellent.
Des.
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Very nice build Dan.
Here's a great big :-* for the spinner on your D-I prototype. I like em with CDL wings.
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Extraordinary work, Dan. You've created a real stunner here. Congratulations.
Cheers,
Bud
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Fantastic and inspirational work, Dan- we don't see a lot of modelers converting Great War kits into prototypes and you've done a splendid job on this one. The CDL & wooden fuselage combination looks magnificent. I wonder whether the design staff ever thought the war might end before the type could prove its mettle or had any inkling of the air fighting legacy it would do so much to create.
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It looks great. Love your build.
Martin
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Hello Dan:
For the simplicity of the scheme, it is an extremely striking scheme. You really captured the wood tone of the natural wood and the CDL is a nice contrast. An outstanding buid to be sure. Looking forward to seeing you wrap it up.
Best
Mark
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Dan,
Truly excellent work, and a very unique and attractive Model. I like Mark's comments, simple but very catching scheme! You can be very proud of this one, exceptional talent on display! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Superb conversion work on your DI, Dan.
I think you have hit the right wood tone on the fuselage too. Good luck with your exhaust.
Regards
Dave
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Finally got a chance to work on the exhaust. So close now. Just some final fittings.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_2139_zpsb8b06ffe.jpg)
The stack isn't perfect, but it's as close as I can get it based on only a couple of photos of the prototype. Sure looks cool. It started out as a thick piece of sprue which was heated and bent to the basic shape. I then spent about 20 minutes with a Dremel tool sanding it to basic shape and thinning things. I added the individual pipes from thin gauge solder which was nice and bendy. Then it was spot primed and putty was used for smoothing things out. Finally, the top was drilled out as much as I dared. Not as well done as an LVG (I think) I saw here recently, but it looks ok to me. I painted it aluminum and just added a little chalk dust on the top since I figure this thing was hardly used.
Next post will be done...
Cheers,
Dan
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Brilliant work on the exhaust stack Dan, it certainly looks the part.
Des.
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Great modelling Dan. And such an unusual subject. Very, very nice!
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Excellent wood grain on fuselage and prop! Lovely finish all round, well done Dan.
Hope its OK to post a contemporary Albatros poster to celebrate your build. Click on image to enlarge
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/WWI%20posters/AlbatrosWerke_zpsc1101bdf.jpg)
Cheers
James
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I agree the the exhaust pipe looks super cool! As does the rest of the model.
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Dan,
As I am new here, I just came across your build. It is really lovely.
Chris
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Exellent work Dan.
Martin
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Dan,
For some reason I thought you had finished this one a while back. So after going back and looking at the updates I missed I can add another OUTSTANDING and BEAUTIFUL work to the collection of accolades!
RAGIII