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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: rhallinger on December 06, 2013, 09:31:09 AM
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Next up, I'm having a go at an old Hobbycraft Sopwith Camel I bought on eBay for $10 some years ago. Same molds as the Academy kit, with those overblown wing ribs. :o Here's the kit:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7027_zps9502c910.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7027_zps9502c910.jpg.html)
I'm using the Spada decal sheet for this Belgian aircraft. The MIL takes over my modeling room in three days, so work will be slow over the next month. I am following the build log Des created on the main site for the Academy Camel. So far I have sanded down the wing ribs and flying surfaces, corrected the lower wing dihedral per Des's instructions, and painted the rudder tricolor stripes and the white and green tulip cowling. Those decals just would not have worked well. :P
Photos when I can get around to it. ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Great to see another of these kits getting built, they have received a pretty bad rap over the years but I found it to be a pretty good kit and with some scratch building work and tender loving care it does build up to be a really nice model. I'm looking forward to seeing you tackle this kit Bob.
Des.
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Can't wait to see how you work this one, Bob. I like the scheme you've chosen. I know you'll do a brilliant job.
Cheers,
Bud
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Bob,
I am also looking forward to your progress on this one. Who knows, your build may be the one that inspires me to tackle mine!
RAGIII
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Looks like a lovely scheme Bob, looking forward to seeing it come together ;)
Andrew
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Thanks gentlemen! Here's a better shot of the decals:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7028_zps054fe10e.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7028_zps054fe10e.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7029_zps84dde948.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7029_zps84dde948.jpg.html)
I will use all but the rudder bars and the green cowling triangles. I just couldn't see how those were going to fit well over the cowling curves and still line up. I have opted to mask paint the cowling, and it came out pretty well. I'll post photos tonight.
Progress and updates will be sporadic, with houseguests and holidays upon us. ;D
Chees,
Bob
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Here is the work done so far:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7032_zps95d573d9.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7032_zps95d573d9.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7030_zpsfdc8de54.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7030_zpsfdc8de54.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7035_zpsfcca8199.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7035_zpsfcca8199.jpg.html)
I will do what I can away from the bench. My painting station is in the basement, so maybe I can get the wings painted next. The scratched cockpit will have to wait a bit. We'll see how this wandering build goes. ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Lovely work on the cowling and with the rudder, Bob.
Best wishes
Nigel
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I totally agree with Nigel, Bob. Your great masking work shows. Beautiful!
I have to say I'm tempted to try one of these Hobbycraft/Academy Camels,
which should bring out the WingNut version as soon as I do. ;) ;D
I am really looking forward to following the balance of your build.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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I totally agree with Nigel, Bob. Your great masking work shows. Beautiful!
I have to say I'm tempted to try one of these Hobbycraft/Academy Camels,
which should bring out the WingNut version as soon as I do. ;) ;D
I am really looking forward to following the balance of your build.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Very nice masking and paint work Bob. As for Ernie's theory on precipitating a Camel release by WNW I agree totally; I wonder how many out there are holding off on these Kits (I have 2) on the suspicion that WNW will release a Camel as soon as several labor intensive builds of the Hobbycraft/Academy version are confirmed!?
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for the kind words gentlemen. Happy to do my part to prompt release of the WNW Camel! ;) I had considered holding off on this project to see if WNW was doing the Camel this year, but I also wanted to use this old kit. Des made a beautiful Camel from this kit, and his build log provides a great guide and tutorial. I'm looking forward to this one, as it will be my first crack at PC10. I think I'm going to try (for the first time) Vallejo Model Air acrylics for the PC10 shades, as Tamiya acrylics have been giving me a hard time lately, and my preferred Pollyscale acrylics are no longer available. I plan to try Dirk's method used on his RE.8, a CDL coating with layers of darker and lighter PC10 shades built up in successive mottled applications. I will likely do the rib shading with chalks like Lance's current Tripe build. This should be fun! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Excellent work so far on an under-rated kit. Could I suggest Lifecolor acrylics? They have worked really well for me; much easier to use than Tamiya.
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Excellent masking and painting of the engine cowl and rudder Bob. As rhinocrat wrote, this is a very under-rated kit and has received some bum reviews, it honestly does build up to be a really nice model and I would like to see all the kits hidden in a stash somewhere to be dusted off and built, it will be years before Wingnuts release a Camel.
Des.
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Bob,
I'm looking forward to watching this latest project of yours unfold my old friend. Not a bad kit either.Just requires a little TCL , maybe a lot but certainly no big difficulty for you.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Bob,
You did a very fine job on the engine cowling. Nice to see the Belgian colours for once. It's not often done. This will be an outsanding build.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Nice work on the masking and painting! Looking forward to your progress!!
RAGIII
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Thanks gentlemen!
Patrick, thanks for the words of encouragement for the paint scheme. I specifically bought this decal set so I could do a Belgian aircraft. I really like the national colors, and Jan Olislagers' story is a very interesting one, as is that of the entire Beligian Air Service. I am hoping that WNW will eventually release a Hanriot, then we can do lots of Belgian and Italian fighters! ;D I would love to see a Farman F.40, but I suspect I will have to scratch build that one. All that wild nose art! See this link for some interesting photos:
http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/Markings/Farman_f40_&_f60/farman_markings.htm
Now, back to this Camel!
Cheers,
Bob
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Indeed Bob, Angels, dragons, ducks, bull terriers a.s.o. I wish you good luck! Meanwhile your cowling is so beautifully painted. Keep it up Bob.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Weekly update time. The MIL has taken over the bedroom in which my modeling desk is located, so I'm carryng on a bit in the basement and dining room. The wings are painted with the sand base coat, and the Vallejo colors have arrived in the mail for application of the PC10. I may preshade, or maybe just wait and postshade with powders, or maybe both. I have also painted and decaled the tailplane. Snuck into the modeling room for potos:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7036_zpsbb5696a1.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7036_zpsbb5696a1.jpg.html)
It still needs some paint touch up and shading, plus re-drillng smaller holes for the rigging. The decals are a bit short for the tailplane, the same problem Des had with the Spada tailplane decals on his build. Spada must have had an out-of-scale plan! :D
I'm trying something different with this build. I plan to include a seated pilot figure in the cockpit and a crew member preparing to swing the prop, and set the model in a small vignette scene. I will use the PJ Productions British pilot and the Wings mechanic swinging prop:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7037_zps9853d7f1.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7037_zps9853d7f1.jpg.html)
Both figures are very nicely cast. The pilot figure bears a reasonable resemblance to Olislagers with appropriate painting and goggles over the eyes, and the mechanic's uniform is close enough to some photos I have of Belgian ground cew members. I will incorporate the pilot figure into the construction of the cockpit. That will be some time down the road. Wing painting first!
Regards,
Bob
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Looking really good Bob, the green is very striking. Great idea to use some figures with your build, I will be very interested to see how the pilot fits in, it is a very compact area.
Des.
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Thanks Des. I have the same question about how the figure will fit in this cockpit, so I am approaching it by using the figure as part of the pit. It may require some surgery on the figure, i.e. reshaping of arms, legs and posterior, tomake him fit. This should be interesting! ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Coming along nicely Bob, and the markings will be spectacular when she`s done. Have fun with those figures: nice touch but you are a braver man then I!
Cheers,
Lance
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Watch out for those Spada decals. They need to be coated with something while they are still on the backing. I coated some with Microscale decal film and couldn't get them to lay down on a flat surface.
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Hello Bob:
Glad to see someone else working on the Academy Camel. Like Des says, it is a decent kit and can be built into something noteworthy. Des' build log is an invaluable tool. I did one in the spring using Des' log as inspiration and a guide and it turned out pretty decent. It looks like a Camel. It is the old Revell Camel just pantographed down to 1/32nd. Like you, I like the Belgian colors and wish more were out there, like for the SPAD etc. Your cowling really turned out nice as did the tail plane. Looking forward to see how you tackle this kit and the results. I have one more in the stash and am thinking of doing the Muston Camel. It will also be interesting to see what you think of the figures and how well the seated figure sits in the seat.
Best
Mark
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The tail feathers look great! Keep the pics coming!!
RAGIII
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Thanks all! Progress is slowed by the temporary eviction from the modeling room, and also by the Spada decals.
I got the wings painted, and am happy with the shade. After a coat of Future dryed for a couple of days, I cut out the Belgian roundels and applied the first on to the top wing. It virtually disappeared into the relatively dark olive drab of the PC10! :o These decals must be printed on an Alps printer, and no white background was laid down first, making the colors virtually translucent. Ugghhh! I quickly slid the offending decal off the wing before it could set up, cleaned the wing off with water, and decided that I will have to mask and paint the roundels. This may be just as well, since I was not really keen on the lemon yellow color in the decals. I think the Belgian roundels should have a darker yellow color. I will now paint them to match the rudder. Time to break out the circle cutter and masking tape!
On a happier note, the black decal for the unit number on the rudder went on flawlessly and looks great. :)
I will try to take some photos by this weekend to show all of this graphically. Next step after painting the national markings will be post-shading of ribs just like Lance did on his Tripehound. I will also begin fiddling with the pilot figure to see if I can manage to make his derriere fit into the kit-supplied seat. ;D Some fun, eh?
Regards,
Bob
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Hello Bob,
Maybe this picture could give you an idea :
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_BAM_Hanriot_02_zps5f446451.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_MusBr_p3_07_zpse7a90b4b.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks Patrick! Very helpful. This yellow does appear a bit lighter than I had thought. Maybe it's just my imagination, or tricks of shadow and light, but in the color photos I have seen, the yellow bar on the rudder generally looks a little darker than the yellow in the wing roundels. It must just be the lighting, since they would have used the same paint for each, presumably. ?? I think I will choose a mid-range yellow for the wing roundels, just a tad lighter than the rudder bar, by adding a drop of white to the yellow I used for the rudder (Pollyscale CNW Yellow, a holdover from model railroading days!). Thanks again.
Regards,
Bob
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Yes Bob colors are misleading, certainly on computer screens. I found this 2 links :
http://www.google.com/search?q=belgische+vlag&nord=1&rlz=1W1ACAW_nlBE367BE367&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=77-xUruIBuS5yAOZzIDgCg&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1778&bih=723&dpr=0.9
http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/vliegende-schaalmodellen/125822-stampe-en-vertongen-sv-4b-5.html
Kind regards
Patrick
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Bob, I dont want to confuse you more, here is a last photo.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized__DSC5008_zps183ec0aa.jpg)
Patrick
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Actually Patrick, this is all very helpful! ;) It appears that the brighter lemon yellow may be okay, but the shades do appear to vary a little in some of the images, so I'll probably go with something in between. Thanks!
Regards,
Bob
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A brief update. Here is a graphic illustration of the color issue:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7040_zps8cd5a5bb.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7040_zps8cd5a5bb.jpg.html)
To paint the wing roundels I will use a shade of yellow somewhere in between the darker shade on the rudder and the lighter shade on the decals and the images Patrick provided. The first step is cutting the outside mask (full size of roundel) from two overlapped strips of blue painters tape. I use an X-acto circle cutter, which is essentially a compass with an exacto blade rather than pencil lead. I approach this task with some apprehension, as I've had trouble getting clean circles in the past.
I decided to use a stiffer cutting board to prevent the blade from biting into the backboard too much and being pulled off line, and to go very gently. In past efforts I have pushed too hard I think, which can pull/push the blade off the true circular path. So far, so good:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7038_zpse5e4b456.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7038_zpse5e4b456.jpg.html)
It worked! Voila! The mask applied to the top wing:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7041_zps51b21be3.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7041_zps51b21be3.jpg.html)
Moving the cutter very slowly and with only light pressure is the key. You can actually hear the tape being cut. When you make a second traverse of the circle you will hear nothing except for the few places that may not have been cut through on the first pass. Yay! I finally know how to do this with confidence! ;D
Here is the top wing with the backing coat of white applied to the masked roundels. This is to help the yellow cover better. Experience from model railroading days dictates white primer as a base for yellow, as light gray tends to give a greenish tint to the yellow applied over top.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7044_zps997ac69a.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7044_zps997ac69a.jpg.html)
Since I took these pix, I have applied the yellow and cut the remaining masks. I will mask up and paint the red tonight. More pix later in the weekend. This stuff is kinda fun! I love it when things work. ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Awfully well done! The rudder certainly looks the true color and the roundles also. A very instructive log Bob! The best of luck.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Nice job Bob. I've always wanted to try cutting circular masks myself so your tutorial is just what the doctor ordered. I picked up an Olfa circle cutter recently for that very reason. It's that light touch that usually causes me grief as evidently there's a short circuit between my brain and hands.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Patrick!
Chris, I hear you. That has been my problem in the past with cutting circular masks. It really takes a conscious and intentional effort not to push the cutter too hard and fast. The brain and hand were not coordinating well in past efforts. Trying something different actually worked this time! ;) I think the stiffer cutting board helped as well. My usual workbench pad is one of those green ones from the art/craft chain stores. It is a little softer than the small one I used for this, and that softness tends to allow the blade to bite deeper and get hung up on the board, causing the legs of the compass to deflect a bit and go off track. It's a fine line--you need the cutting board to be pliable enough for the point of the compass to penetrate sufficiently to anchor the cutter for a true circle blade path, but it needs to be firm enough that the cutting blade will not penetrate the board too deeply. I think this is where the gentle movement of the cutting blade around the path is critical. Push down firmy on the point leg, but move the blade leg forward gently. It takes a little practice. Fortunately, masking tape is relatively cheap. ;)
Apparently, I AM trainable! ::)
I really am tickled to have finally figured this out, as it will be very helpful in painting roundels for all of those schemes for which the proper size (or any!) decals are just not available.
Cheers,
Bob
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Nice work on the masks, Bob. ;)
Looking forward to seeing the roundels complete.
Cheers,
VB
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Very nice recovery Bob and an excellent solution to your issues, the results are superb, looking forward to seeing these decals fixed to the wings.
Des.
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Super job on the roundels, Bob. I think you have the colours nailed. I really
appreciate your explanation about using the circle cutter. I may get this yet! ;)
Looking forward to your next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great job with the cutter and masks! Like the others you are giving me hope that I may be able to use mine someday!
RAGIII
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Thanks guys! I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who has struggled with the circle cutter. ;) Once mastered, it's pretty easy.
Here are the masking, painting and demasking stages:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7045_zps8ddabb6f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7045_zps8ddabb6f.jpg.html)
Above shows the yellow masked with a "donut" of tape, with the center covered by a patch circle, which will be removed after the red is applied to allow the center dot to be painted black. This shot shows the center dot mask exposed:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7046_zps389d0ee9.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7046_zps389d0ee9.jpg.html)
To protect the red outer ring, I prepared a paper mask secured over the center mask:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7048_zpsa5304943.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7048_zpsa5304943.jpg.html)
The black applied:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7049_zps970cdf03.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7049_zps970cdf03.jpg.html)
The donut mask removed and sitting to one side:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7050_zps2d169d4b.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7050_zps2d169d4b.jpg.html)
. . . and the final result:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7057_zpsa26ce8f0.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7057_zpsa26ce8f0.jpg.html)
I'm really pleased with how these came out. ;D Now, on to clearcoating and post-shading!
Cheers,
Bob
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Hello Bob,
This is awfully nice. You really have the colors right. Magnificent job. Real craftmanship. Congratulations!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Much more rewarding than placing decals - Well done!
Roundel masks added to my product line come 2014? I think so. 8)
;)
VB
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Excellent job on the roundels, Bob. Painted on markings always win, in
my book. Excellent build, my friend. I look forward to more updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Brilliant paint job Bob, this looks ways better than decals. Your extra work really turned out great. Keep on!
greetings ro
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Beautiful job with your painted roundels Bob, they certainly look better than any decals, well done.
Des.
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ABSOLUTELY AWESOME! Enough said!
RAGIII
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Great work. Exemplarily done.
Cheers
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Hello Bob:
Outstanding work on the Cockades. I really like the Belgian markings and wish there were some available. You have solved one of the problems. Looking forward to seeing this progress.
Best
Mark
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Hi you did a fantastic job on the cockades...
I wish I was half as precise and neat...
The beige basis to paint the yellow color on such a dark surface is a great hint to keep aside for the occasion.
I am looking for a good 48th kit to honor the Belgian pilots. Maybe a Hanriot...
I was in the Brussels army museum this summer but the WW1 gallery was closed for restoration!
s**t!
Keep on the great work bob!
Ciao
Antonio
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Much more rewarding than placing decals - Well done!
Roundel masks added to my product line come 2014? I think so. 8)
;)
VB
Get cracking, von Maskmaker, I like your idea a lot!
Bob,
Lovely work, looks almost "painted on"!
Cheers,
Lance
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VB, I agree with Lance: roundels for the masses! Onward my friend! ;D
Lance: ;D ;D. Thanks.
Christmas Cheers,
Bob
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Another mini-update. Working away from the bench, I have now managed to post-shade the wings, rudder and elevator/stablizer.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7058_zps1cc6b2d4.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7058_zps1cc6b2d4.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7059_zpsc43ca761.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7059_zpsc43ca761.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7060_zps41b9e5ed.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7060_zps41b9e5ed.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7062_zps81f61f86.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7062_zps81f61f86.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7061_zps636ecfe5.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7061_zps636ecfe5.jpg.html)
I just have to drill and add the rigging points, and then these parts will be done. My bench should be freed up in a week, so I'll be back to the cockpit and fuselage soon. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Lovely work on the works Bob, your post shading looks great, also looks great on the rudder and tail plane, this is shaping up to be a real stunner.
Des.
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Hi Bob,
This will be another great Nieuport 28 in the already fantastic gallery of this marvellous plane on the forum! Wonderful job Bob.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Sorry Bob,
I'm so busy with my Nieuport that I made this mistake. Your Camel of course. A thousand apologies!
Kind regards
PAtrick
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Great job on the shading Bob, especially the rudder...it's perfect.
The painted on roundels look super! Brilliant job and I am really
looking forward to the rest of the build.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great job on the shading Bob, especially the rudder...it's perfect.
The painted on roundels look super! Brilliant job and I am really
looking forward to the rest of the build.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Can't say it any better than Ernie!!
RAGIII
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Post shading is perfect.
Adam.
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Beautiful job!
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Thanks for your kind comments everyone. :D Now that the wings and tail are essentially complete, I have turned to puzzling over the cockpit, which means mostly the pilot. Since little of the interior will be visible with the pilot occupying most of the space and blocking out any view, I think that I will forego building a new cockpit on this one, except for a new instrument panel and a new yoke stick.
The pilot's torso appears to fit well in the kit seat:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7067_zpse3c09aa7.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7067_zpse3c09aa7.jpg.html)
The head and face are nicely sculpted:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7068_zps499cf13d.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7068_zps499cf13d.jpg.html)
The arms appear to be well positioned to fit within the cockpit, although not much of them will be visible except from directly overhead.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7069_zpse23353bd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7069_zpse23353bd.jpg.html)
I think I will need to assemble the figure and then fit him into the interior. More when I get back to my workbench in a week.
Regards,
Bob
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I am looking forward to seeing the pilot painted!
RAGIII
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Hi Bob:
This kit is really a fun kit to play with. I enjoyed my build of it, and I basically did it out of the box save for a few things from the spares and some additions to the interior. Yours is really coming along nicely. I really like the post shading on the cockades and the rudder. Really looks the business if you ask me. I like to put figures in my airplanes but to date have not put one in due to the lack of figures, so I will be "doubling" my watching efforts on your build to see how it all fits.
Best
Mark
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Thanks Rick and Mark! I am very impressed with the PJ Productions seated British pilot figure. It is well sculpted, to scale and well-proportioned, and offers two head options (goggles up or down), all for under $20. They make a German pilot too, but I have not seen that one close up.
I'll get around to painting Jan soon, since I need him in the seat when the fuselage is closed up, I suspect. The mechanic swinging the prop most likely will be done a bit later.
Thanks for looking in. I am having fun with this kit. :D
Regards,
Bob
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I am sorry that I have missed this one. Your cockades are absolutely wonderful - exceptionally well done. I have taken to painting them on my models as I find that it frees me from the problems associated with transfers, but I do not use a mask as you have done. Yours are truly professional in standard and I really congratulate you.
The remainder of the build is also very good and I have enjoyed reading it. I will further enjoy the rest of it - cannot wait to see what you do with the cockpit. Keep up an excellent tutorial.
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Time for another update, before I get my workbench back on Sunday. ;D Before proceeding with the pilot figure and cockpit, I pinned the figure together to see how he would fit in the cockpit fuselage space. All was dry fit and secured by Tamiya tape, including the kit-supplied floor and seat. He fits rather well! :D
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7072_zpsa99f0549.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7072_zpsa99f0549.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7071_zpse07a0697.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7071_zpse07a0697.jpg.html)
With the space adequate for the pilot as assembled, I turned to painting the figure. I tried Vallejo acrylics for the first time, as they seem to be a popular brand for military miniatures. It's been 30 years since I panted a figure, and never before with acrylics. I found shading more problematic, and may try oils the next time, although I am generally pleased with the results.
I have several photos of Jan Olislagers in flight togs, but the colors are not clear. I generally followed color illustrations of RNAS pilots in flight gear, and tried to figure out the shades based on comparative lightness and darkness of the BW photos. Here are photos of Lieutenant Olislagers:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/af1c2ac4-ab8d-46c0-9587-3b5734e68516_zpsffa6651f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/af1c2ac4-ab8d-46c0-9587-3b5734e68516_zpsffa6651f.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/JaninGear_zps21d275c4.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/JaninGear_zps21d275c4.jpg.html)
Here is the painted figure:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7074_zps75f525ce.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7074_zps75f525ce.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7075_zps3f61b674.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7075_zps3f61b674.jpg.html)
The likeness is passable, particularly with the goggles down. ;) I am satisfied with this outcome, although I may apply a coat of matte fnish, as the scale effect would likely not result in this much shine on the figure.
The cockpit bits and interior will now be painted and fuselage construction will proceed.
Regards,
Bob
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Great job on the pilot figure Bob, he will look fantastic sitting in the cockpit.
Des.
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Very nice work on the figure! He does indeed bear a close enough resemblance to your subject!
RAGIII
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Outstanding paint on the pilot Bob. Really nice when installed. I enjoy your build log as much as you enjoy your build. I am so glad to see this extraordinary pilot coming alive. Did you now he was a professional cyclist too? Keep on the great work Bob, it's magnificent!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Your painting of the pilot figure is very well done, Bob. That's
really a pretty good likeness you have come up with. Nicely done!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Gents!
Patrick, thank you for reminding me that it's time to provide a little background on this interesting man, Jan Olieslagers, an aviation pioneer and prolific Belgian pilot who achieved ace status in the service of his country. His personal history is fascinating, and was covered in detail in an article in "Over the Front," Vol. 28, No. 1, Spring 2013, and can also be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Olieslagers. His dedication to serving his country is even more impressive.
Here is a summary: As a 14-year old, he worked in a French bike shop and later for a bicycle manufacturer. He became a professional cycle racer, and then progressed to motorcycles, where his racing earned him the nickname "The Devil of Antwerp." He set several early motorcycle speed records, including being the first to ride a speed greater than 100 km/hour. In 1909 he became interested in early aviation and acquired a Bleriot monoplane. Essentially a self-taught pilot, Olieslagers participated in international flying races and did very well, setting records and matching well against Roland Garros in competitions.
Upon the invasion of Belgium by Germany on August 1, 1914, Jan Olieslager sent a telegram to the Belgian Secretary of War, as follows: "I am at the disposal of my king and country, with my aeroplanes, car and staff." He was 31 years old at that time. His two brothers, Jules and Max, also volunteered. Jules was an aircraft mechanic and Max was a pilot. Olieslagers flew his Bleriot on reconnaisance missions in 1914. The Bleriots were withdrawn for training purposes and replaced with Farman pushers in early 1915. Olieslagers went on to fly Nieuport 10s and 11s, Hanriot HD.1s and a Sopwith Camel. He ultimately achieved 6 confirmed victories, 17 unconfirmed victories and possibly many unclaimed victories. He reportedly was satisfied with depriving the Germans of aircraft, and unconcerned about his personal victory tally, disdaining the paperwork and followup necessary to achieve confirmed "kills." He was certainly a prolific flyer in the number of sorties and aerial combats, which numbered over 500 and nearly 100, respectively.
After the war Olieslagers returned to Antwerp and was instrumental in opening a new airport there. He died of cancer in 1942, at the age of 58. Reportedly, in open definance of Nazi-occupier regulations, his casket was draped with the Belgian flag and the Belgian national anthem was played at his funeral, as the country honored one of its true heroes.
I was very pleased to be able to locate a set of the Spada decals for Olieslagers' Sopwith Camel, which is beautifully decorated, IMHO. Although the Belgian cockades did not work out from the decal sheet, the white thislte squadron emblem for the fuselage should be fine, so I will be able to duplicate Lieutenant Olieslagers' Camel in 1/32. ;D
Thanks for looking in on this build. Now you know a bit more about the fascinating man and aviation pioneer who inspired it! :D
Regards,
Bob
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Thank you Bob, this is very informative. I think knowing somewhat about the pilot is very inspiring for the build itself. Your project is really outstanding.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hi Bob:
Great job on the pilot figure, and yes it does resemble the actual person. I am going to have to scope out PJ Productions and pick one or two up. He looks good in the cockpit. Looking forward to more as you progress.
Best
Mark
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Thanks for the history recap, Bob. I enjoyed it.
With regards to the build, I'm pretty surprised that the pilot fits so nicely in the cockpit. It looks like he grew there! Great work on the painting; I'm convinced.
Lindsay
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Just catching up.
Great post shading work and figure painting Bob. Like it alot.
Cheers
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Hello everyone. Although I have not posted in a bit, I have been working on the Camel. It just took some time for the oils to dry on the wooden portions of the fuselage. As you can see, I have completed painting of the fuselage, save for gloss coating the green portion for application of the squadron emblem decal:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7113_zps76047e7f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7113_zps76047e7f.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7114_zpse43302f6.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7114_zpse43302f6.jpg.html)
The wing and forward fuselage cover are just test fit for show. I am happy with the way this turned out. The pilot is headless for now because it was easier to mask that way, and because I want to get the head orientation correct for the vignette when the airframe is up on its legs--with the pilot looking at the mechanic who is about to swing the prop.
The engine is complete (you can see it sitting on the bench just in front of the fuselage), but nothing special, just OOB with some paint and dirt, as much of it will be hidden by the cowling. I have been working on the struts and cabanes, and will be painting those soon. I am essentially following the build log Des has over on the main site (thanks Des, I would be lost without it!), but without some of the extra detail. As Des notes, the struts have a odd sort of doghnut-like foot at the ends which fit into a slot in the wing. I've adjusted those per Des's log, and I hope they will fit properly.
More soon. Running out of parts on the sprues, and getting close to the home stretch! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Very nice progress, Bob. The paint is really good, particularly the wooden portion
of the fuselage. Good work. I look forward to the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Outstanding paintwork Bob. It will look gorgeous, can't wait to see it develop. Great work!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Bob, She is looking like a great example of a Camel now! Lovely painting!
RAGIII
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Bob,
I echo RAGIII's comments, coming along beautifully. Your wood panel work is really exceptional, nice work! Looking forward to more updates, keep at Her.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Bob
How did I miss out on this? Must be my aversion to Camels! It's coming along beautifully and I love seeing the pilot in there for a change. Maybe he's thinking how the hell do I control this beast?
Best wishes
Nigel
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Many thanks everyone! Speaking of the pilot, Nigel, he's no doubt wondering not only how to control the beastie, but also how he ever fit in that tiny space to begin with, which brings up a story I forgot to mention in the last post, but I want to give warning to others who add pilot figures.
I was so pleased with my test fit of the pilot until it came time to close up the fuselage, when suddenly all those things I had forgotten about during the test fit--you know, minor details like the instrument panel, machine guns, stuff like that--appeared for installation into the fuselage. Whoooops! The knees now blocked the IP, the MGs were under his chin, and nothing seemed to fit anymore! :o Ah well . . . Broke out the trusty razor saw and changed the angle of the legs from the torso, bobbed a few fingers on the left hand, moved the seat back as far as I could and the IP slightly forward and . . . it all fits now! :D Those who follow in my footsteps: learn from my missteps. Remember all of the "stuff" that goes in front of the pilot when test-fitting. ::) All's well that ends well though, so Jan is now safely ensconced in his Camel, albeit he has temporarily lost his wits. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob,
I hope Jan did not suffer to much in the process. I must say at least you have terrific patience modifying all those parts to get the pilot in, which shows you are a first class modeler. Looking so forward to see him in his completed Camel!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Well that is devotion to task, Bob.
Lurking away in the background I've got a delightful Tamiya Swordfish, started years and years ago but very much unfinished. Seeing what you had done with the Camel pilot I decided to get it out to see how the three Tamiya provided crew would fit in. Alas with the fuselage framework completed, it's too late without major surgery!
Best wishes
Nigel
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Watch out for those Spada decals. They need to be coated with something while they are still on the backing. I coated some with Microscale decal film and couldn't get them to lay down on a flat surface.
Right you are, Rob! After the debacle with the roundels (transluscence), I thought I would be okay with the white thistle emblem on the fuselage. Wrong! :o They are perfectly opaque, but the outline of the thistle is printed on white decal paper, meaning that you must cut out a fairly intricate and complex shape with a sharp #11 blade. I did this. However, the decals are so thin that it was impossible to slide the intricate pattern of the decal off the backing paper and onto the fuselage. The decal disintegrated as I tried to slide the backing from underneath! :P I quickly removed the debris, cleaned up the fuselage surface, and headed to the LHS for some wide kabuki tape from which I will cut a mask and paint the squadron emblem---just like the roundels! :) I could try coating the second set of thisle emblems to strengthen the decal, but since I would have to cut the decals out with a blade anyway, I might as well just cut a mask and be done with it! :D As others have noted here, painted-on markings usually look better anyway.
So, the Spada decal sheet was good only for inspiration and some reference material. Ah well, it served it's purpose nicely in that regard, and prompted me to learn some new techniques which will be helpful in the future. ;)
More pix soon. The interplane struts are ready for light oil treatment tonight, so it will be a few days until I can proceed with those. I will spend the interval adding rigging points where I can and getting the thistle emblem painted onto the fuselage.
Cheers,
Bob
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Here is the first mask applied to the right side:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7116_zps6cfd76fd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7116_zps6cfd76fd.jpg.html)
The offending decals are below the fuselage. I made a xerox of the decal sheet, put a piece of kabuki tape on the cutting mat, taped the xerox of the emblem over the tape, and carefully cut the outline with a fresh #11 blade.
I'll paint tomorrow. SWBO and I are heading out to an oldies concert at a local venue in a few minutes: Little River Band and Pure Prairie League. An evening back in the 70s! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Very nice recovery Bob! (and a really lovely Model emerging)
Bear with me; what is Kabuki Tape? Is that a brand name or type of product? I keep seeing it here but had never seen it before.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance:
"Kabuki" tape is a low-tack thin tape made from rice paper in Japan, and is used primarily for masking. I don't know if it is a brand name, but I use the term generically, like Kleenex. The tape I used was Tamiya yellow tape, which I understand is made with Kabuki paper.
Thanks for your kind comments!
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob:
SWMBO and I saw Little River band back in November. Great show, very intimate and they really connect with the audience. You will enjoy them. Not a big fan of Pure Prairie Leauge, but I am sure it will be good.
The model is shaping up. I am looking forward to more of your updates. I am tempted to pull my other one out and do the Muston Camel. I will see how you progress.
Best
Mark
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Excellent job on the fuselage emblem Bob. You're making very good
progress. Hope you had a great time at the concert!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Bob,
I'm continuously amazed about the techniques you use and the patience you have to become what you have in mind. Seeing your photo I want to say again that your wooden parts look absolutely amazing. This is going to be a first class a/c. Your log is very inspiring. Great build Bob!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Lance:
"Kabuki" tape is a low-tack thin tape made from rice paper in Japan, and is used primarily for masking. I don't know if it is a brand name, but I use the term generically, like Kleenex. The tape I used was Tamiya yellow tape, which I understand is made with Kabuki paper.
Thanks for your kind comments!
Regards,
Bob
I assume that's a different product then the Rolls/Dispensers of Tamiya Masking Tape that I use all the time?
Cheers,
Lance
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That's really looking nice, BH. I really like the way you've done the ply panels on the fuselage.
Totally agree about kabuki tape, it's one of the world's great inventions- especially if you're trying to mask the canopy on a 1/48 Ki-46 Dinah.
Cheers.
Dal.
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Here is the fuselage with thistle emblems painted and parts temporarily in place for show, including the pilot's head. :D
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7117_zps603b4da7.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7117_zps603b4da7.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7119_zpsc6c9a841.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7119_zpsc6c9a841.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7120_zps22e3e6ba.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7120_zps22e3e6ba.jpg.html)
The emblem painting involved yet another challenge. Perhaps the gloss for the decals was too much, or the white paint was not properly thinned, but after thin coats misted on which appeared fine, upon drying I discovered that the paint had crazed and was filled with crow's foot cracks. I touched these up with a fine brush, and they are okay and do not show up at normal viewing distance, although you can see traces of them in these photos. C'est la guerre. >:( I will try to correct no further, as it is in passable condition.
I like the look with the pilot, cowling and guns. :) I still need to do the gas and oil caps on the fuselage, and paint the cockpit combing, then I'll be ready to start assembly.
Regards,
Bob
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Just Brilliant!
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Simply amazing Bob, wow that's looking so real. The pilot (Jan) is sitting so natural in place. Paintwork is terrific (woodpanel!) All very realistic. What a lovely build and build log you made. Congratulations!!!
Kind regards
Patrick
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I love it when a mask comes together! ;)
Excellent work, Bob :)
Hi Lance,
Tamiya make 40mm wide masking tape made from "Kabuki" paper. image below.
(http://f-a-h.co.uk/arcane/wp-content/uploads/imported/Tamiya-MASKING-TAPE-40mm-width-Tamiya-Modelling-Accessories-item-87063-181174657391.jpg)
Cheers,
Bob
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Thanks for the kind comments guys! Much appreciated.
BvB and Lance: that's exactly the pack of tape I picked up at the LHS to do the thistle mask . ;D Well-called, Von Buckle! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Bob & Bob,
Thanks, that sort of clears it up, I'll need to go shopping a bit more. Bob von B's photo shows the product as "Finishing Materials" and then "Tamiya Masking Tape". The regular masking tape I have is labeled only "Tamiya Masking Tape" with the tape width shown as well. Last, the mask on the fuselage in the attached photo is of much thinner stock then the regular masking tape. Different product and one I need!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Bob:
This is going to look awesome. I always liked the lines of the Camel, and this is great to see you progress through this build. I am sorely tempted to pull my other one out and start on it. I am looking forward to seeing you progress and how you do the control horns.
Best
Mark
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Thanks Mark! I, too, am looking forward to seeing how I do the control horns. ;) I have not yet puzzled that out, but I must, as I knocked off the molded-on kit parts whilst sanding down the ribs. I'll figure out something. I'm getting pretty close to that point now. ::)
I'll be doing the rigging prep on the wings next. I have decided to cheat on the square opening in the bottom wing root where the double flying wires pass through the wing and enter the fuselage underneath. I will simply drill a round hole at an appropriate spot for the wires and paint square corners around it with black paint. That should look fine at normal viewing distances, and will be much easier than trying to make a square hole! :o
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob:
When I did mine, I used some of the extra ones that came with the Pup and NINAK. As I lost some of the aileroan actuators on the NINAK, I send away for that sprue from WNW and I had enough extra's to make 'em for the Camel. On the next one I was just thinking of scratching them out of card stock. Shouldn't be too difficult. The existing ones are just plane bad.
Looking forward to your next update.
Best
Mark
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Very fine progress on this interestingly marked Camel. Wings shading is fantastic and so is the fuselage with the individual markings!
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I'm getting ahead of myself, but couldn't resist dry fitting the landing gear and bottom wing. ;D
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7123_zpsb5ddf5cc.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7123_zpsb5ddf5cc.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7121_zpsded3733d.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_7121_zpsded3733d.jpg.html)
Des is right, the landing gear is rather sturdy, despite it's spindly appearance. I still have rigging points to do on the wings and struts. More soon.
Regards,
Bob
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She is looking really good Bob, I like the thistle emblem and your wood work looks great. This kit and the Academy kit deserve to be built, they make up to be very good models with just a little extra TLC. I'm looking forward to seeing more updates Bob.
Des.
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You are doing a beautiful job on this, Bob. The colours are very eye catching, the wood panels and "PC" a great contrast, and the emblem gives it that final appearance of "something completely different". Nice work, I really like what you've done here!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Bob:
This is looking really good. I like the tail feathers, and like has been said, the wood grain is nice and pulled off the thistle emblem without a hitch. If you look in your old Roden Nieuport spares that you used for "Old Doc Yak", you may find some useable control horns, at least something to start with.
I am looking forward to seeing your progress on this. It is really going to be neat.
Best
Mark
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Looking good, Bob ;)
I spy with my little eye something beginning with B! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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You are doing a beautiful job on this, Bob. The colours are very eye catching, the wood panels and "PC" a great contrast, and the emblem gives it that final appearance of "something completely different". Nice work, I really like what you've done here!
Cheers,
Lance
What he said!!! ;D Super job, Bob.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Bob,
She looks great with the lower wing mounted! Beautiful work!
RAGIII
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I gotta admit that I was firmly neutral on that scheme when I first saw the pictures. After having seen your work in the last few pictures, though, I'm totally on board. Looks great!
LT
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Lovely looking Camel Bob, great colour scheme, will you be putting the teardrop shaped piece between the front struts just above the Vickers guns?
Cheers
Pete.
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Thanks everyone. :)
Pete: Yes, I will be putting that piece in, per Des's build log, with a nod to Bud's Comic build thread. I have shaped it from a piece of styrene rod and drilled a hole through the middle just as Bud did on his Comic. It is awaiting paint, and will be incorporated in the rigging when I get there (hopefully within a few days!).
I will report later with some pix on my effort to solve the aileron horn issue (the molded-on kit posts were not very good, and I knocked them off sanding down the wing ribs anyway). I have two of them done (for the bottom wing ailerons), and I hope they will work out. Looks promising so far. More later this evening, as I'm at work now! ;) Mark, your suggestion regarding the Roden Nieuport extra parts was appreciated, but didn't pan out, as I checked and could not find any extras. I must have used them all up on Old Doc Yak, and probably donated a few to the carpet monster. :D
Cheers,
Bob
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To make the aileron control horns, I decided to try flat brass bar from Detail Associates, which I had on hand from model railroading days. This is stiff and strong. I decided to graft a piece of Bob's Buckles brass tube on the top of each horn to accommodate the control wire. Here are the tools and materials:
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The bar was measured and cut to shape with cutters and cleaned up with a jeweler's file. I placed a 1.5 mm length tube over a No. 80 drill bit and cut it in half with an x-acto blade. The short tube was then attached to the top of the horn with CA.
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I have drilled holes at the kit-molded slots for the horns, and will CA the horns to the ailerons. I will probably use EZ-Thread to keep tension on the horns to a minimum. I hope these work!
Cheers,
Bob
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OMG, Bob! How the hell did I miss so much of this build?! Man, you've done some phenomenal work. The roundels are fantastic and the shading is brilliant. Jan looks great. Just truly outstanding work all around.
Cheers,
Bud
(PS-I never say OMG normally. Don't judge me.)
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That's a super job on the control horns, Bob. Nicely done! The Camel and all
the assorted parts are coming along beautifully. Looking forward to more piccys.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Bob,
Your build shows that no mather what the kit's origin is, you make an amazing build out of it. This log has been a real pleasure to follow up to now. It is really going to be amazing and probably the first one with this scheme and I thank you to have chosen it. Keep on the great work!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thank you Bud, Ernie and Patrick for your kind words. I am glad you are enjoying the build log as much as I am enjoying the build. :) Things continue to progress well. The rigging points (BvB eyelets--thanks Bob!) are all installed, the final detail painting done, the bottom wing installed along with the tail feathers, and Jan has gathered himself up and is fully occupying his proper place, the cockpit. :) Here is a mini photo update of where things stand:
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I still have to do a little rigging on the tail, but I like the way this looks.
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I just set her in the jig for a tease shot of the overall appearance--love those Belgian cockades! ;D
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My workbench on this build is now down to the painted and ready cabane struts (4), interplane struts (4) and landing gear (plus the little teardrop vibration dampener that goes in the cabane rigging)--that's it! The basic aeroplane should be finished by this evening if I can get up the nerve to install the cabanes. As Des has noted, their attachment points are not very positive or strong. I think I will skip the jig and try the method Des used in his build log. Fingers crossed! ;) I'll report back soon.
I still have to do the vignette base and paint the mechanic swinging the prop. :D Almost there!
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob, looking great! And the color of the cockades is spot on. Good luck on the struts!
Kind regards
Patrick
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I have hit a minor speed bump in attaching the top wing.
As Des notes in his build log, the attachment points in the fuselage for the cabane struts are not very positive or secure. Unfortunately, I found that the molded tabs which are supposed to fit into slots in the wing did not fit into the slots well, and required some reworking. I eventually got them secured in the jig:
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The bigger problem is the wing struts. They are molded with odd "feet" as you can see here:
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I trimmed these to fit better in the wing slots, as follows:
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Unfortunately, the interplane struts are too short now. :o I have checked the relative wing spacing in the jig as shown in the first photo above against my scale drawings, and the wing spacing appears to be correct. The struts are just too short with the modified feet. Oh well, I will just have to make new struts from styrene strip. I do not have the .060 x .100 stock that I need on hand, so it will have to wait until I can get to the LHS. ::)
Here's some more shots of this bird in the jig:
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We're almost there!
Cheers,
Bob
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Looking really great! Too bad about the struts but I am sure you will sort those out quickly with your skills!
RAGIII
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Hi Bob,
Totally agree with Rick. It is a pitty that the wing struts are too short, but with your talents I'm sure that you will overcome this problem. The first photo looks terrific. Such a nice build. Good luck!
Kind regards
Patrick
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She really looks good with the cabanes on, Bob. That's a shame about the
interplane struts...funny setup. I wonder if fashioning new top & bottom pieces
from scrap styrene would work? I'm enjoying the build and by the way, that's a
cool jig you have.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Shame about the interplane struts Bob, hope you get them sorted, but a great build.
Cheers
Pete.
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Thanks everyone! That's an interesting idea Ernie. I think I'll give it a go, since we are a bit snow and icebound here n South Central PA right now, and I may not be able to get to the LHS for strut stock for a few days anyway. Thanks for the thought! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Hi Bob:
This is looking really sweet! I can only imagine your frustration with the interplane struts! I cheated on mine. I filled those spaces with putty, trimmed 'em a bit, painted 'em black, drilled holes for the eyelets and called it good. It has the look. I did enter it in the contest, but it more for display and show it off. I really like the way this Belgian scheme is coming along and am looking forward to seeing the final product.
Take care, stay warm
Best
Mark
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Mark, that is probably what I should have done--the length would have worked out fine in that case.
Ernie, I took a look at extending the finished kit struts with scrap, but quickly concluded that it would be far more troublesome than making new ones and, as you will see below, there were other good reasons to opt for new fabrication.
My mistake may have turned out for the best, even if it slowed me down a bit. I looked at my WNW Pup instructions regarding the color of the strut brackets, and noticed the the struts on the pup were wider, front to back, than the kit struts from the Hobbycraft Camel. That struck me as odd. I checked against my 1/32 Camel drawings, and the kit struts were confirmed as too narrow. Armed with this information, I made it to the LHS and got a pack of Evergreen .060 x .100 strip styrene. In a surprisingly short period of time (about an hour or so) I had four new struts that fit well:
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Back in business! The top wing appears to sit properly and well-aligned on the cabanes and new interplane struts. I still have to add a pitot tube to the right front strut, then it's off to the paintshop. The oils drying will take a few days, but that's fine as long as I have well-fitting struts. :D I'll finish rigging the tail in the meantime.
I agree with Des and others who have commented on this kit--it is not bad with a little extra work and patience. I have not found any of the fixes aggravating or troublesome--they just require a little extra time--and I have enjoyed this build so far. In the home stretch now! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Very well done Bob, glad that you have overcome these problems and in the meantime corrected the shape of the struts. Great job!
Kind regards
Patrick
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I agree with Des and others who have commented on this kit--it is not bad with a little extra work and patience. I have not found any of the fixes aggravating or troublesome--they just require a little extra time--and I have enjoyed this build so far. In the home stretch now! ;D
Regards,
Bob
Hello Bob:
It isn't a bad kit, and......you will have a Camel in your collection!! How cool is that? ;)
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Nice work on the struts! I am looking forward to seeing that wing mounted!!
RAGIII
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You have done well with the struts, Bob. You were right to fabricate the new ones.
Great job!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Excellent fix with the struts Bob, it won't be long before you get to my best part of the build, the rigging :) :)
Des.
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Thanks for the encouragement everyone!
Mark, you are so right--it will be very cool having a Camel on the shelf, particularly this one with the Belgian Air Service markings of Lt. Olieslagers. ;D
Thanks again to Des for his build log on the main site--it has been an invaluable reference for building this kit!
I finished rigging the tail, then added the rigging lines to the bottom of the top wing. I got the interplane struts out of the drying box and painted the fittings and added BvB's eyelets and a new pitot tube. The top wing actually went on to the cabanes very well, and after that was dry I added the interplane struts. All went well! ;D I spent yesterday doing the rigging without serious incident other than the usual attrition of tiny brass tubes sacrificed to the carpet monster. ;) It came out really well, I think, even the little teardrop vibration dampener above the MGs. I used monofilament for most of the rigging, but will try EZ-line for the aileron control cables (still to be added), to reduce the pressure on my homemade control horns. I'll take pix once I have the wheels on, maybe tonight. :D
Once I add the landing gear (and rig it) and the prop, the aircraft itself will be done. I still have to assemble and paint the mechanic swinging the prop, which must await the properly sitting aircraft in order to position the hands correctly on the prop. I have the materials for the base, so the vignette should not take too long to assemble. :) Almost there!
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob, really looking forward to see this beauty finished. This is a great build!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hi Bob, really looking forward to see this beauty finished. This is a great build!
Kind regards
Patrick
Me Too!
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Excellent work, Bob. I'm impressed with the Belgian markings as well, not just the roundels but the personal markings, which really lift this scheme out of the ordinary.
That's a good save with the struts. Not long now until we'll see it with the wings attached?
Cheers.
Dal.
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Okay folks, here she is finished on the bench, except for some weathering chalks I'll add to the wheels:
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I have posted a fair number of photos here, because the final product will be included in a vignette scene, rather than in Completed Models. Rigging is mostly monofilament with Bob's Buckles equipment for the turnbuckles and eyelets. I find this rigging approach, as described in a tutorial on the main site, to be the most effective an easiest method to achieve good results. It's just very comfortable for me. However, I did try something new with the aileron control lines between the wings. I had added my own brass horns with bits of tube on top, so I thought I would use EZ-Line to keep these taught while reducing stress on the horns. I think it worked well and am pleased with the experiment, although I did lose one tube through handling during the general rigging process, and had to just CA the line to the top of the horn. That worked out fine. :D
She looks like a Camel to me! I am very pleased with how she came out. The Hobbycraft/Academy kit was a nice build even with its quirks that I have noted along the way. This was an enjoyable build even with the extra time necessary for corrections and fixes. I found it less taxing than the average Roden kit--the parts fit was better, I think. My biggest problem area was the cabane strut fit/positioning, but that's true of every non-WNW kit I've ever built. Other than that, things went together rather well. I must again thank Des for his very helpful bulld log on the main site, and highly recommend it as a primer and guide for anyone tackling this kit. With a little extra work, you get a very nice looking Camel for your collection. As Mark observed--how cool is that?! ;D
I am also quite happy with the way the pilot figure came out. The PJ Productions figure is very nice, and fit in the cockpit with some surgery to reposition limbs. Adding a seated figure to a cockpit is a tricky proposition, but it worked here. The PJ instructions say the figure is for an SE5, so maybe the fit would be better in those kits.
The Spada decals were an iinspiration and a good reference, but were otherwise a disappointment as decals. The cockades are not opaque and the PC10 shows through, making them useless. The thistle I found to be impossible to get off the backing paper without the very thin decal disintegrating because of the intricate design which must be cut out befor applying, and the green triangles for the cowling simply do not fit. The only decals I ended up using were the green stabilizer flashes and the black rudder codes. Nonetheless, this disadvantage was turned to advantage by the necessity of having to paint the markings! One of the most valuable parts of this build for me was learning to use the circle cutter to make masks to paint cockades, and confirmng that I could cut a decent mask of an intricate outline like the thistle by hand with a fresh #11 blade. As an added advantage, I think Von Buckle has been inspired to use his vinyl cutter to offer up cockade masks! What will they think of next? ;)
This project is not finished yet. I need to prepare the vignette base and paint the mechanic swinging the prop. That should all be done by the weekend (we've got the weekly snowstorm coming in tonight, another foot or so, so I'll be off work tomorrow--extra modeling time between shoveling out!). I'll post the final vignette photos over in Aircraft Dioramas.
Thanks for sharing this project with me and for all of the support. I am very pleased to add Lt. Olieslager's Sopwith Camel to my collection and to share his very interesting story with you.
Regards,
Bob
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Hello Bob, many wholehearted congratulations for your magnificent build. It appeals very much to me, the more as I see for the first time the Belgian markings on a model. Your log was so nice to follow, your patience and skills extraordinary. You made it one of my favourite builds. If I may could I print some of your photo's to pin on the wall?
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Bob:
Another inspiring piece of modeling! This turned out really nice. Your perseverance to do a Belgian Camel, in spite of the shortcomings of the decals is truly noteworthy. The cowlings and tail feathers really make this stand out.
Outstanding Bob!
Best
Mark
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She's a beauty! Thanks for the interesting and entertaining build log too.
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Patrick, Mark and Rob: Thanks so much for your kind comments and support. I am glad others are enjoying this one as much as I did, and I learned a few things to improve my modeling along the way! ;)
Patrick, feel free to print any photos you want. If you need more information to do that, just ask, but I think if you click on a photo you will get a dropdown menu with a print option. I'll try to take some better shots when I get the vignette scene finished as well. I, too, really enjoy the Belgian markings on this Camel. Now, we just need a Hanriot from WNW! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Beautiful job Bob! For a Kit that's not noted to be an easy nor great Build you've really brought it into a different league. It's crisp, clean, and the Belgian markings and that green trim make it a very unique model. Congratulations on a very fine Build, I enjoyed following your progress and look forward to seeing her in the vignette setting.
Cheers,
Lance
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I need the help of the Forum regarding a question about the thistle emblem of the 1st Escadrille of the Belgian Air Service, as depicted on the fuselage of this Camel. Wikipedia tells us the following:
"The 1re Escadrille de Chasse was founded in February 1916 as the first dedicated squadron of the Aviation Militaire Belge. It drew upon the men and equipment of the previously existing provisional Escadrille I. In August 1917, upon receiving the new Hanriot-Dupont 1 aircraft, the first version of the famous “Thistle” symbol was designed by André de Meulemeester as the squadron's insignia, to be painted on the aircraft. He also selected the squadron motto “Nemo me impune lacessit” or “No-one can challenge me unpunished”. In March 1918, it would be reorganized into the 9ème Escadrille."
This tells us who created the emblem and when, but not why the thistle was chosen. The thistle is traditionally an emblem of Scotland. Is there some connection to Belgium that I am unaware of? My reseach has turned up nothing on this question. Just curious. Can anyone help out with this question? Thanks.
Interestingly, the thisle has remained the emblem of the 1st Squadron of the Belgian Air Force to the present day. :D
Regards,
Bob
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Hallo,
yes the thistle is the emblem of Scotland but I guess in this case it was chosen because it' has got spikes on its stem so if you try to make it any harm you get stings on your fingers.
This is my opinion descending from the motto...
I haven't read it but I think it works as an explanation
Antonio
PS I love your Camel...
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Hmmmm . . . good thought Antonio! Makes sense to me. ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Thanks Bob,
I think there is no strict relation to Scotland neither to Belgium, the thistle is such a common weed all over Europe.
In the countryside here around Bari (Southern Italy, Adriatic Bank) we have a lot of thistles we use to eat cooking them in many ways...
Of course after peeling the spikes off otherwise "Nemo me impune lacessit" should have turned into "Nemo me impune edit" “No-one can eat me unpunished” ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Bob,
Maybe in this link you could find something.
http://www.belgian-wings.be/webpages/navigator/news/special%20features/90%20years%201squadron%20stingers/90%20years%201%20squadron.htm
Thank you for letting me print your photo's
Kind regards
Patrick
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Bob,
You have created a beautifully finished Camel.
The subtle shading, masked markings, rigging and even the bloke sitting in the cockpit all add to a great looking bird - well done!
What next?
VB ;)
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Thanks so much Patrick! ;D Mystyery solved. That is such an interesting website. Of course, now I want to build a Farman. ;)
BvB, thanks for your kind words. As for what's next, I'm trying to decide between a WNW DH-2, and a scratch-built 1/32 Sopwith Tabloid, which would obviously have to be Lt. Marix's machine from the Dusseldorf Raid. Maybe I'll just do them in that order. ;D Opinions?
Cheers,
Bob
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Go with the Tabloid ;)
You know it makes sense!
:)
VB
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Bob, I agree with Bob. Looking forward!
Kind regards
Patrick
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That is an absolutely stunning Camel, Bob! I think it is one of the best looking
that I've seen. I love the Belgian markings, especially the work you did painting
them. Very well done! Hearty congratulations on your superb model, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)