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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Fred on June 22, 2013, 05:39:31 PM
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I'm a little embarrassed to up load my work because of the superbly hi level of modelling found on this forum.
But here goes.
Any advice to make my models better would be greatly appreciated. I have ordered some wood grain decals for the exterior of the aircraft.
And any advice on rigging and especially mounting the top wing would be extremely appreciated.
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Hi Fred,
Glad you worked up the nerve to post pics. You're off to a great start. I really like the interior bits.
Regarding rigging, there are two main methods.
Everything you need to know about the eyelet and tube method of rigging can be found here (http://ww1aircraftmodels.com/page8.html) and here (http://www.bobsbuckles.co.uk/how-to-buckle.html).
Another popular method is the "drill thru the wing" method. See Przemol's recent Alb D.III build here in under construction for a great example.
You have two basic choices for rigging material. The overwhelming favorite for 1/32nd scale seems to be Maxima Chameleon 2lbs test fishing line, which is a little over .1mm in diameter. The other choice is elastic 'EZ line" or it's equivalent from the sewing department. I've never used the stuff myself, hopefully someone else can comment further.
As far as fixing the wing, again, I'm making stuff up here because I haven't actually done this part in nearly 40 years, but, here's what I've picked up, and what I intend to do myself:
1) take the time to construct a decent jig. One that will allow you to set the the wing with the correct stagger and alignment, and which will support the model and the wing during assembly. There are various jigs you can buy, or you can build them out of Legos or cardboard or other flotsam you might have lying around. If you hunt around here you'll find various people's solutions.
2) use a relatively slow setting adhesive for fixing the struts. A lot of people seem to prefer old fashioned plastic model glue in a tube for this. I'll probably use epoxy, because I like the fact that it doesn't depend on melting the parts in question in order to function. At any rate, either way, the slow set gives you time to tweak and adjust as necessary.
Hope this helps.
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Nothing at all to be embarrassed about, Fred. You're off to a great start. I finished an Oeffag not too long ago using the HGW wood grain decals. If it's any help at all, here's a link to that build:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1223.msg19202#msg19202
Cheers,
Bud
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Nothing at all to be embarrassed about, Fred. You're off to a great start. I finished an Oeffag not too long ago using the HGW wood grain decals. If it's any help at all, here's a link to that build:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1223.msg19202#msg19202
Cheers,
Bud
Hi Bud
Thanks for the encouragement, and for the link to your build. It looks great and I'll study it for some inspiration. Coincidentally, the decals I ordered are the same ones you mentioned. I'm stoked!
Cheers Fred
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I was doing this set is good fit. Maybe helpful for you my build link: http://www.whiteeagle.net.pl/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=841
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Great work Fred.
Steve
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My air compressor is getting swapped due to a warranty issue and I couldn't wait to get it back to paint the interior so i brushed painted Vallejo Panzer Aces New Wood 311 and washed with Vallejo Umber shade wash 73203. it'll be hard to see once the fuselage is closed up but I think it looks ok and "wood grainy". (I got some wood grain painting practice in.) For the exterior i will use wood decals by HGW 548009 1/48 Decal Albatros D.III OEFFAG TRANSPARENT.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps3bc9f4a4.jpg)
The engine looks ok to me but if anyone has any ideas to help improve it by all means please post them. Also the top little peice some how got lost so i replaced it with a circuit board transistor mount which was cut, and bent to "look" as though it is part of the engine... purists will cringe but I'm ok with it 8).
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpscb5757e9.jpg)
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Engine mounted and cockpit bits glued in. Onward!
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps38b3adf2.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps4da1c76f.jpg)
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A different way to do wood grain that will drastically cut down on drying time. I like it!
Cheers,
Chris
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Under Pressure!!! ;D
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsb1c7bccf.jpg)
BUT I forgot seatbelts!!! Arrgghh... so i will attempt to scratch build them from some tape and .007 guitar string.
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Your engine and interior work looks very good, I really like the wood colour, it's coming together quite nicely.
Des.
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Your engine and interior work looks very good, I really like the wood colour, it's coming together quite nicely.
Des.
Thanks Des :)
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Hi Fred,
Glad you worked up the nerve to post pics. You're off to a great start. I really like the interior bits.
Regarding rigging, there are two main methods.
Everything you need to know about the eyelet and tube method of rigging can be found here (http://ww1aircraftmodels.com/page8.html) and here (http://www.bobsbuckles.co.uk/how-to-buckle.html).
Another popular method is the "drill thru the wing" method. See Przemol's recent Alb D.III build here in under construction for a great example.
You have two basic choices for rigging material. The overwhelming favorite for 1/32nd scale seems to be Maxima Chameleon 2lbs test fishing line, which is a little over .1mm in diameter. The other choice is elastic 'EZ line" or it's equivalent from the sewing department. I've never used the stuff myself, hopefully someone else can comment further.
As far as fixing the wing, again, I'm making stuff up here because I haven't actually done this part in nearly 40 years, but, here's what I've picked up, and what I intend to do myself:
1) take the time to construct a decent jig. One that will allow you to set the the wing with the correct stagger and alignment, and which will support the model and the wing during assembly. There are various jigs you can buy, or you can build them out of Legos or cardboard or other flotsam you might have lying around. If you hunt around here you'll find various people's solutions.
2) use a relatively slow setting adhesive for fixing the struts. A lot of people seem to prefer old fashioned plastic model glue in a tube for this. I'll probably use epoxy, because I like the fact that it doesn't depend on melting the parts in question in order to function. At any rate, either way, the slow set gives you time to tweak and adjust as necessary.
Hope this helps.
Hi Bo
Thanks for the advice :) It is much appreciated.
I have come up with this: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1978.msg32140#new for a jig.
I hope it works I should be ready to test it in a few days. Fingers crossed.
Cheers
Fred
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I measured the seat belts from Eduard's Fokker D.VII to just a bee's knee thicker than 1mm, so I'm going to use some Mr Hobby masking tape (which is die cut in 1mm and 2mm thicknesses) for the seat belts.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsc3b17efd.jpg)
The wire is 8 amp fuse wire which i used to make "buckles". One down 3 to go. It should look the part once complete.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps157203f5.jpg)
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She's coming along very well, Fred. Your woodwork is a
heck of a lot quicker drying than oils, and looks the part
as well. All in all, it looks really good. Thanks for sharing with us.
Best Regards,
Ernie
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She's coming along very well, Fred. Your woodwork is a
heck of a lot quicker drying than oils, and looks the part
as well. All in all, it looks really good. Thanks for sharing with us.
Best Regards,
Ernie
Thanks Ernie :)
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Got the back seat harness in. Looks OK for some tape and fuse wire 8)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps863418ab.jpg)
Onward! :D
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Looks very nice indeed, well done!
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Looks very nice indeed, well done!
Thanks Des :D
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Seat belts; check!
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsef3fa2ce.jpg)
Onward!
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Belts you did very cool. I included profipak, had such ...
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Albatros%20D%20III/Albatros005_zps395e71b8.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Albatros%20D%20III/Albatros005_zps395e71b8.jpg.html)
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Great job on the belts, Fred. She's taking shape beautifully.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Ernie
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Looking Great!
RAGIII
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Entire month of June I was away from home. Only now I have time to look at our forum. I saw that you are doing model that I also made. Maybe it's not too late, and maybe something with my work useful to you.
So look here.
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=12695
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=16931
Adam.
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Entire month of June I was away from home. Only now I have time to look at our forum. I saw that you are doing model that I also made. Maybe it's not too late, and maybe something with my work useful to you.
So look here.
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=12695
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=16931
Adam.
Hi Adam
The links you've added seem to be dead. Can you check them and repost them? I'd like to have a look at your work.
Cheers
Fred
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Hollowed out the pipes of the exhaust pipes.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsb1b6ffc6.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps5d07dcef.jpg)
Painted with Vallejo Panzer Aces Light Rust 301 Dark Rust 302 and Yellow Rust 303
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps9c44685c.jpg)
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Sometimes a little done, to better look.
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Very well done on the drilling and painting of the exhaust!
RAGIII
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I still haven't received my air compressor from the hobby shop >:( I hope I get it this week, but in the mean time I went ahead and painted all the wing surfaces with Aqueos H85 Sail Color using a 1/2 flat pure sable brush. It looks ok to my eye with the brush strokes adding some variations in color and texture that sprayed on paint lacks. I kinda like it.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps8aa1b60b.jpg)
It's a bit more visible in this closeup shot...
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpscda55bfd.jpg)
I'm going give the surfaces a wash that will make the wings "pop" a bit....
any advice and tips a surely welcome ;D
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Tried the washes using Citadel Seraphim Shade... Not quite the result I was after, but i do like the dirty look that was achieved...
I might add another wash diluted a bit, to even out the effect, but I'm not sure if i want to keep it or start over.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps0d17158d.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps7139b2f6.jpg)
What do you think? Anyone. Critiques welcome. I'm sort of learning as I go.. :-[
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Entire month of June I was away from home. Only now I have time to look at our forum. I saw that you are doing model that I also made. Maybe it's not too late, and maybe something with my work useful to you.
So look here.
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=12695
http://www.pwm.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=16931
Adam.
Hi Adam
The links you've added seem to be dead. Can you check them and repost them? I'd like to have a look at your work.
Cheers
Fred
When I try it, it is working, maybe here will be better. :)
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1999.0
Adam
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Very clever use of the smaller scale PE! it came out terrific!!
RAGIII
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Rigging!!! I've started making turnbuckles. I found this cool tutorial on rigging using mono filament. I will also need to get some really thin brass tubing.
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/11/stuff_eng_tech_rigging.htm
Instead of using mono filament I'm using 8amp fuse wire. No need for super glue to strengthen the twist..
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsb2a994b6.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps6f45239e.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zpsd21f060c.jpg)
I'm not sure how many I'll need. I think 36 in total. Anyone know for sure? Any help or nudges in the right direction will be appreciated.
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40 Turnbuckles!! Now I need to clip 'em all to size... for another day... ::)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps0f171f72.jpg)
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Lots of twisting, Fred. ;D
By the way, Des has a good article on
making turnbuckles on the site's front page. Try here...
http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page8.html
Hope this helps...
Cheers,
Ernie
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Lots of twisting, Fred. ;D
By the way, Des has a good article on
making turnbuckles on the site's front page. Try here...
http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page8.html
Hope this helps...
Cheers,
Ernie
Great!! Thanks Ernie :D
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I am absolutely gutted :'( My 22 month old son managed to sneak into my work area climbed onto my desk and got hold of my work in progress :o Unfortunately, my golden lab followed him into my study and thought the Albatros was a chew toy my son was waving around. >:( Needless to say the fuselage is totally chewed up. I have salvaged what i could but the model is beyond repair. I'll keep the peices and use them for a battle diorama or something in future. :( ...
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps1f739e28.jpg)
I have purchased another Eduard Albatros D.III OEFFAG 253 and will re-build the fuselage, etc and continue on with the build.... I need to have closure as i was really enjoying this build and I made room to display it when finished....
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/Eduard%20Albatros%20D%20III%20OEFFAG%20253%201-48/null_zps49bbb26b.jpg)
Suffice it to say I have learned a huge lesson :-[ my study is now locked when I'm not around.. no matter how secure you think things are from a toddler, think twice..if it looks like a toy then it's a toy and they'll want to claim it... and labs love to chew anything and everything!!
Onward!! 8)
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Hello Fred:
I know how frustrating that can be. Persevere and apply what you learned and you will have a great looking model. I like the OAFFAG version of the Albatros, I hope that some day there will be one in 1/32nd.
Looking forward to your updates.
A shameless plug here for Bob's Buckles. Ready made eyelets and brass tubing for the most discriminating modeler.
Best
Mark
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Ouch. But your next attempt can be so much better for everything you learned on the way...
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I feel for you Fred! You had a great model in the works there and I know the second attempt will be better.
About 40 years back I worked in 1/72 on WW1 and WW2 subjects. I had the collection in two sliding glass wall mounted cases which my four year old managed to climb up to, open, and more or less destroy all but a few in mere minutes. (one has to drop them to the floor to get back down and play with them.........) Thus I know how you feel; hang in there, get back at her, and I look forward to the "return of the OEFFAG"!
Cheers,
Lance :'(.......................... :)!
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I know how you feel, my cat, when she was young she liked to walk on my models. :-[ Also my sons liked to play football in the room, where were my models. :'(
In your case you gained a priceless thing, experience. ;D Certainly building yours model, you thought that you could do some things differently, now you have the opportunity to do it. ;D
Adam.
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Man that is a horrible blow, Fred, but full marks for going on with
the build. As Adam mentioned, it's a chance to make it even better.
Good lesson to all about security in your work area...if my
Bichon ever gets the nerve to try my rather steep stairs, I'll be in
a world of hurt! Looking forward to the new & improved.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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oh boy...
so sad. :-[
but.
let's see the glass half full: the next will certainly be better, sometimes I want to be forced to do two times certain things (and my fuselage Albatros is a perfect example).
by the way, I solved the problem at the root of the difference-model toy building a model with my son ... after seeing how much work goes in, it is he now who thinks twice to get his hands where they shouldn't be! ;)
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:-[
onward and upward Fred.
Andrew
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This is not the Eduard Albatros D.III OEFFAG 253 but an Eduard D.V weekend I've started in lieu of restarting and completing the previously mentioned.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps323933b4.jpg)
As a luthier by trade, I have lots of dead pickups in a shoe box. I have found a use for the old guitar pickups. The fine copper wire used for the pickup coils are great for rigging! ;D
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps7696a965.jpg)
I have used .5mm brass tube cut to 1mm and used the pickup wire as instructed in Des' tutorial found here..
http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page8.html
i wish i'd have used thinner wire for the eyelets but as I'm learning it's ok.... .
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps9a3c6107.jpg)
The pickup wire is as thin or even thinner than human hair...good for 1/48 riggin, no?
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zpscdc6d40e.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps4a8f1ede.jpg)
I WILL restart the Eduard Albatros D.III OEFFAG 253 ASAP... I MUST!! >:(
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I WILL restart the Eduard Albatros D.III OEFFAG 253 ASAP... I MUST!! >:(
That's the spirit!
Go Go Go!!!
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Do so please! I enjoy your work and the Albie!
RAGIII
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OK.... time for redo ... should i start completely from scratch or use some of the salvageable bits from the previous dog toy???
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps3003144d.jpg)
also finished the albatros d.v test...the rigging was a blast...
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps338eb046.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zps8ec6a796.jpg)
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t535/FrettinFreddy/null_zpsda5b73b1.jpg)
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Bravo, keeping my fingers crossed.
Adam.
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Fred, whatever you decide to do with the Oeffag will
be good...don't put too much pressure on yourself. In
the meantime, the Albatros looks great! You did a
super job on the rigging, and the guitar pickups are a
neat idea...good thinking! By the way, I love the red
and blue paint job. :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Fred, whatever you decide to do with the Oeffag will
be good...don't put too much pressure on yourself. In
the meantime, the Albatros looks great! You did a
super job on the rigging, and the guitar pickups are a
neat idea...good thinking! By the way, I love the red
and blue paint job. :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Thanks Ernie...
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Good looking Albie Fred. I know what you mean about rigging. It's the best part of a build for me.
Cheers,
Chris
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Fred,
Sorry to hear about your dog chewed OEFFAG 253 my friend. I hope you'll be able to save her. I've had the same problem a few times myself with both our dogs and cats from time to time. Before I forget that's one beautiful Albatros D.V too. Best of luck in whatever you decide to do my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette