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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: kornbeef on March 04, 2013, 06:43:04 AM
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Okay I've been busy working on this for Aeroscales Knights of the Sky III campain but I thought I'd share with those that don't frequent Aeroscale.when time has allowed. a few mods to the kit so far including those below. I have gleaned and took a lot of pointers from the great builds of this kit I've seen here so thought it only fair to share my findings too.
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the rad on my reference seems deeper, fuller so I set about modding it using of all things a spare rad from the Hanover kit as the core panels, shortening the cooling pipes a little and reattaching the mountings and fixing the complete assembly to the chin panel. The chin panel has been quite heavily modded, extended to the rear the over scale sides trimmed thinner and sanded to a more scale thickness. the panel behind has been flattened in shape thinned and the front undercarriage/strut mount made sjightly more to scale. Other mods were to the top cowl and fuselage sides to facilitate the lip seen on ALL pics of D.VII's I don't know how or why WNW failed to pick this up.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/kornbeef/D%20VII/KOTS14_zps7b507dad.jpg)
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Okay a brief rundown on the construction of the fuselage.
I constructed the rear section seperately, built it compleyely without the interior module inside. Using Gaspatch 1/48th turnbuckle as terminalls for the control cables (sadly I dropped her on her tail and pulled most these free sighs. NVM)
The WNW fuselage decals were used, cut down to suit the scheme, markings and rigging diagram and the weight table applied along with serial no's taken from profile C then once dry versprayed with blue till the loz and details just shows through, Careful sanding brings the underlying setails out in high wear areas.
Now to the main inner assmbly.
I built this up in skeleton form at first just the firewall and rear panel and side structures with some of the smaller details added and fited everything else one by one finding the fit of the ammo and belt containers to be the cheif culprits on making the assembly bulge. sanding and shaving mounting points and stubs and thinning the top of the rudder support where it fits between the ammo can and the belt container helped. Added the throttle and spark advance rod, the bowdens for the MGs and the secondary throttle cables to both the stick and the throttle quadrant. The seat belts are WNW's but the shoulder belts will be scratche and draped over the turtledeck. One point that had me flumoxed for a while. WNW dictate to use the Albatros Style Dash panel layout. The D.DII anthology states OAW used the Fokker style and theres pics of the NASM OAW machine in th anthology supports this so I went the Fokker route. Luckily the Fokker version has optional decals for the fuel taps I could use from the spares. Airscale decals for the guages and she was good to go.
Now the bone of contention with WNW Lozenge, I had a nightmare, maybe its just me but WNW's lozenge refused to play ball, lifting, cracking and peeling so I soaked it off and purchased some Wood and Wire faded loz. Pics below show the comparisons between the two.
Wod and Wires isnt the easiest to use but the difference in appearance speaks for itself I feel.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/kornbeef/D%20VII/KOTS21_zps3961dbd9.jpg)
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I've been working on the motor too but thats top secret in development stuff. :D A broken in transit cabane is my main concern a time to fit them comes close. Still though much to do in the engine bay before that day comes.
All comments and critique welcome, any queries I'll gladly let you know what i did.
Keith
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Awesome Keith, your builds always have so many well thought out details.
Looking forward to seeing your mercedes, I am sure it will be stunning.
Cheers
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Doing some very good work here, Keith.
I like the simple idea of extending the bottom of the chin cowl - a simple and effective solution to a poor fit in this area. I'm surprised you had problems with the kit decals though - this was one part of kit I found to be excellent.
I will follow your build carefully as I a may go for and build another WNW Fok DVII (in the future) to see if I can improve on the problems I encountered during my build.
Good luck for the remainder of your build.
Regards
Dave
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Excellent progress Keith, your modifications are well worth the effort. The Wood and Wire faded decals certainly look a lot better then the Wingnut lozenge, i have never been happy with the Wingnut lozenge colours. I'm looking forward to seeing what magic you perform on the engine, I'm sure it will be spectacular.
Des.
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Added the throttle and spark advance rod, the bowdens for the MGs and the secondary throttle cables to both the stick and the throttle quadrant.
Yes, nice that you have been doing those too.
Pictures show a very nice D.VII. I do not completely understand your modifications to the chin cowl and panel with the oil hatch though. And also I am puzzled about the lip at the top cowls and/or side panels. Could you please explain? I might add these on my D.VII if I know what it is.
Now we can't wait for the engine.
regards,
Ivo
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Hello Keith:
You are really knocking this one out. I was looking forward to your Hannover, apparently that is on the back burner whilst this is underway. I have never had any problem with the WNW lozenge, except like you, I find their colors a little 'off'. I am using the Wood and Wire lozenge on my LVG, but, they don't give you enough to complete it! So I had to order another sheet from Roll Models who handles it as well.
I have the OAW DVII and will be following closely as you progress through this build. It appears as if you have managed to overcome some of the hurdles in "True Kornbeef Fashion".
Best
Mark
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thanks for the feed back guys, it really is appreciated.
Mark yes the Hannie is on the back burner along with a tripehound EIII and a few others.
Ivo
hopefully this will explain a little better what I did. On the OAW at least, maybe all types the rear of the chin cowl extends back a little further between the front undercarriage legs, I added a strip of plasticard and filled it the edge lip where the side cowls fit are much thinner in depth than the kit parts and I thinned them so the overlap with the radiator isnt quite so pronounced. Now thepanel behind the chin cowl with the access panel in lookes flatter in section than the kit part in many pics so I reprofiled and also trimmed the front part till it was flush with the cross tube between the front undercarriage legs. I sanded it thinner to acheive a more scale look to while working with it In fact I've thinned most the tinware that will be on the aircraft as most will be visible through the side panels anyway.
I hope this clarifies things some for you. my brain and fingers are already asleeep.
Keith
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Excellent work so far Keith. Your comparative photos of the WNW and Wood and Wire Lozenge has convinced me; I've been meaning to order the latter for some time, now I'm just going to do it! I'm still a long way from starting my DVII's however I'll be following your progress closely.
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent work so far Keith. Your comparative photos of the WNW and Wood and Wire Lozenge has convinced me; I've been meaning to order the latter for some time, now I'm just going to do it! I'm still a long way from starting my DVII's however I'll be following your progress closely.
Cheers,
Lance
Hi Lance:
Be sure to order two sheets. One sheet wasn't enough to do the LVG I am working on.
The stuff is real transparent as well, so a solid white undercoat is essential. Had I rad the directions first; always a good thing, I would have realized that and been able to do some shading. As it is, it looks real nice, a little fragile, but nothing untoward.
Best
Mark
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Keith, your cartridge chutes look great. Are these modified kit parts or did you scratch 'em?
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I modded the kit parts Bo. cutting out the centres with the cartridges I thinned everything then chamfered the inner edge to give an impression it was hollowed out. I made the backs of the chutes ot of thin plasticard. I thought it something a little different, I wasnt over impressed with the representation of cartridges really and was thinking of replacing with some old 1/35th ammo belts that I have laying around somewhere but as I worked I thought empty looked different... and easier to paint. :P
Having 2 spare ammo cans with the kit made me braver knowing I cold bodge something if I messed up. Any one considering modding really needs to the the ammo can sides, I'm really surprised how thick they are and how prominent they look when the kit's assembed.
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I have been considering the ammo belts too. Also because they are difficult to paint correct. So I wondered whether or not there would be an aftermarket product from HGW Webgarten for instance to produce canvas ammo belts with separate ammumition rounds to slide into. After all there are seat belts, rocker arms, valve springs, etc.
I have made some pictures of the front cowls to compare them with your result. I'll not further soil this thread with my questions, but I will post them in mine. I think I do see what you mean and it is specifically apparant if you leave some of the cowls off (which I am planning to do).
regards,
Ivo
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Be sure to order two sheets. One sheet wasn't enough to do the LVG I am working on.
The stuff is real transparent as well, so a solid white undercoat is essential. Had I rad the directions first; always a good thing, I would have realized that and been able to do some shading. As it is, it looks real nice, a little fragile, but nothing untoward.
Best
Mark
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Thanks for the feedback Mark, I'll use it!
Cheers,
Lance
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Ammo belts are available from Taurus Models and should fit here.
Stefan
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This is looking really good, plus the scheme is the one I've selected for my OAW when I get around to starting in a few weeks! I googled the Wood and Wire decal range & they're available here in the UK from Hannants (under the manufacturer "Old Propellor"). It appears that they are not shaped/sized to any specific model so presumaly you have to cut to shape? Is this why you state thay are not easy to use or are they of rather dubious quality!?
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Graham, Thanks
No the quality is fine they are just rather fragile, they take a little getting ussed to using. A coa of a clear medium such as Klear or decalfilm helps somewhat.
The plus side is beside the look is that they are very thin so don't mask detail etc.
HGW are currently releasing something similar but other products of theirs I've used have been equally fragile or more so.
I found the WNW decals rather thick in comparison
Keith
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Awesome work Keith !
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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As usual that's brilliant work, Keith. I'll keep this build as a reference for when I do mine. SWMBO has already told me I'm doing the same scheme as yours (she spied the dragon on the box art and the decision was made). I wasn't sure whether the lozenge would show through the blue or not, but your build answered that question for me.
OK, when's the next update? ;)
Dal.
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Gergory, thank you. ;)
Dal Thank you to for the comment. I was so torn between which profie. I really like the Stark profile but wanted to put all the cowls on this build. Buchners bird for reminiscing over the old Revell kit but this one one out for much the same reason as yours...
Reference the paint. I just presumed it would to some extent as the cross does so readily in pics also theres a light smudge on the available pics just where the rigging table would be. Coincidence? maybe but hey.... I liked the idea.
In normal light the The blue is deeper & lozenge is hardly noticeable but the flash lightened the blue and made the loz more prominent (the Blue is actually quite a lot darker with a good splash of purple in it
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For the large decals I tend to use a small pot of warm water with 2/3 drops of washing up liquid stirred in, brushed on to the surface you are applying them to, this helps them slide nicely on the gloss surface.
Cheers
Pete
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Update time. not much to report really. Lots of work, little to show for it. much of the work in fitting the engine to the mounts (to test)
So I went a bit mad, decided as most pics of D.VII motors seem to have a different form of distributor so sfter a what seemed promising attempt which turned out pant I had another go. I'm more happy with these.
I broke one of the rocker arms sometime I'll fix that issue once I'm closer to calling the motor done. Ekhaust side is lagging behind, to be truthful I was waiting to see how the distributor worked out on that side before deciding whenther to totally or partially or not cowl much of the side.
Anyway heres a few shots.
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So thats it so far. still loads to do, drain offs, pipework, etc but I'm happy with her atm more detailed than anything I've done so far engine wise. The next will be full cowled believe me. :D
Comments and critique always welcome.
Keith
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Beautiful work on your engine Keith! Great start to a great kit!! I am looking forward to your progress.
RAGIII
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Nicely done as usual Keith. The extra markings on the engine are a very nice touch.
Cheers,
Lance
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Absolutely brilliant work, Keith! I don't know how I managed to miss this one. That engine is spectacular.
Cheers,
Bud
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Wow that's fantastic attention to detail & brilliantly executed! I can't wait to see this finished.
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Nice looking lump ;)
vB
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Thanks guys, so many great builds here going on it's hard to keep track.
Some of the smaller scale stuff just blows me away I really couldnt build at those scales and pull off some of the things I've seen here.
Keith
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Lovely looking engine Keith, for mine I wish I could locate some decals for the stencilled engine number.
Cheers
Pete.
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Keith,
Superb work on the engine - I never ceased to be amazed and impressed at the standard of workmanship that goes on display on the forum ...............
Regards
Dave
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Hello Keith:
This seems to be coming along quite nicely. Your work on the engine, per usual, is outstanding. The loom work on the distributors very neat and tidy. I like the looks of the Wind and wire lozenge, like you say, it is a bit fragile, but it looks great. Your ammo chutes look great. Another show stopper in the works, almost "stump ready".
Best
Mark
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Easter greetings all. Thanks for the positivity guys too
Some progress to report.
Some pics to post.
Some eggs to eat. *burp*
First stop. Cowlings. I thinned em, then I thinned em then I thinned em some more. I intend fitting the right rear one to the fuselage, so when I went to tinker realised the real ones overlap after consulting the Datafile. WNW's as they stand suit a full cowl quite nicely. I added strips at the rear which seemed the easiest option and to the front too which would underlap the front cowl. This of course brought up the point that the scale thickness and position of the panels and framework are all out of kilter (A neccesary evil for production and I'm not knocking WNW at all)) So I settled for a rather thicker than I'd wished for panel with a stri of thin stock to disguise it. I've shaved off all the mounting nuts and hope to replace, some needed repositioning.
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Now from a pic in one of the anthology its apparent the top cowling covering the tank area isnt one piece at all.So I created a panel line guaged to somehow represent this. The cover over the fuel guage being seperate and having a flange around the lip as well.
((its a good way to widen this part if someone has fit issues due to bulging interior parts (cut splice in some stock and sand to suit)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/kornbeef/D%20VII/KOTS32_zps012fd337.jpg)
Now for the interesting bit. The engine is in. I fitted harnesses for the ignition, scratched some linkages for the ignition advnce and added the greaser pipe to the water pump joint. (I thinkwhere WNW have the greaser on this kit is wrong, The anthology say the cockpit dash is laid out a per Fokker not Albatros and what pics I have support this. Now I know what that tube is for on the Famous Knowlton pics that everyone scratched their head over... Simply a support for the end of the spark advance actuating arm spindle.
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I still have the carb linkage, spark plugs, the fuel filter and fuel line to do plus the oil and air piping from the front of the engine. Truthfully hardly any of this piping will show as the radiator flaps obscure it. Still I know it has to be there. Air pressure pipe routing is to be investigated, It seems to run in a few different configurations.
A couple of pics with the rad & underside assembly dry fitted.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/kornbeef/D%20VII/KOTS36_zps1ce5b7e2.jpg)
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Wheels and undercarriage assembly is in rimer. I still havent got around to taping the wings yet. Better get it done as the rest is catching up quickly.
So will I buy the DVIIF? Not right away, I've several builds to finish incl a tripehound, a DR1, two DV.s an EIII A Pup and a Hannie so I must resist... even starting the Encore F1 or ... or... must resist... must resist.
Keith
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Keith,
Easter Greetings to you and yours my old friend. Awesome works in progress!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Eer! .... Wow! That's pretty FAB and Groovy. Nice pre-work on the panels - engine just looks the biz'.
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Stunning work Keith! stunning
michael
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Brilliant work as usual, Keith! In the outdoors setting, that engine looks real.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Keith, I love your attention to detail, very informative.
A quick question is the reason for thinning down the cowls to help prevent any fit issues.
Cheers, Gary
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Amazing engine Keith! ;D Looks like the real thing. Using that shrinking device again, huh. ;) Looking forward to the rest of this build. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Keith, Your work is awesome and always inspiring. Your attention to detail is well executed.
RAGIII
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Thanks guys, more praise than i deserve I'm sure.
Gary
No I thinned the panels to make them more *in scale* most will be scattered around the nose removed so look better thinned. I thinned the edges of the panels that will be fitted, sanding them thinner to remove all the internal moulding showing where to cut for various options. I couldnt thin the fitted panels as much as I wanted as that would highlight the fact the fuselage structure is too narrow really but other than some serious mods including skinning the fuselage and rebuilding the framework theres no way around. WNW have done as fine a job as is possible I do say though to get everything to look right OOB. Most builds woudnt bother about the tiny discrepancies and I'm letting it slide too but trying to blend in the fact the panels arent made of 1/2" plate. :D
Keith
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Hello, Keith -
Really starting to come together now, mate. You are now getting in the stage where I really struggled to get all the cowling panels to fit properly with no gaps, etc.
I shall therefore follow your thread with interest (when you get round to installing the panels) to see how you overcome this hurdle.
Regards
Dave
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Dave. Hi thanks. I'm getting around the panels by only fitting the chin and lower panel, the top panel under the exhaust and the rear panel on the exhaust side, the other 4 panels will be off, coplete exposure of the carb side and partial of the exhaust side.
I built the Fokker early version full cowled and it was a bit of a bugger yes.
Keith
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Keith,
As always, absolutely brilliant work. Mind your fingers putting the prop on the shaft, in case she "fires"................looks that real! Your detailling is incredibly well done, looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Lance
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Keith,
I really hope you will be able to fit the radiator cover when you have installed the plumbing for the airpump - there is not much space available oob and that is even reduced more with your radiator shutters.
Are you going to add the drainage valves on the Mercedes' underbelly (oil dranage and water pump)? Those would be obvious from the small panel wich is missing at the moment from your belly plate.
Stefan
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Okay something of an update.
STILL adding bits to the engine bay, but got the wings moving along too. Had a bit of a moment affixing the upper decking and ended up with a fingerprint, hoping to touch up the blue after I get her further along. I have to try to fabricate a windscreen that secures in this area anyway. Cowlings are painted, hoping to get the final bits fitted to the engine area and get the nose on this week
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Hoping these works, seems like Photobucket have changed things again.
Thats all for now folks
Keith
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Brilliant job on the lozenge, Keith, and the blue and yellow look fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
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Marvelous work on the Leusch scheme, Kornbeef. Your fastidious attention to detail is really showing through on the engine and cockpit, this one will look excellent with the cowling panels off. You appear to have nailed the pattern on the fabric as well. May I ask what brands & colors you used for the yellow and blue? They both look spot on. Thanks for keeping us up to date on your build, I've truly enjoyed following this one!
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Stunning work! Your over paint is perfect! The engine is a work of art!
RAGIII
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Fantastic.
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Keith,
Man oh man she's a real beauty to behold my old friend, love that yellow and blue scheme. Your decal work with the lozenge and the fabric overlay is Outstanding. As with all your threads this one is a real joy to follow,keep'em coming.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Cheers guys, comments really are appreciated,
This is the part when you realise you shold have done A before you got to G but if you had S might not line up so you just have to muddle through and swear quietly as those tiny extra details you have been struggling to make vanish off into the ionospher with a ping of the tweezers :o
Vickers The paints are Citadel Miniatures. their golden yellow and the blue is a mix of midnight blue & xerious purple. Theyve just renamed all their paint range, some are better some not but the range of colours is excellent, some designed for dry brushing too even.
Cheers Guys Keith
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This is the part when you realise you shold have done A before you got to G but if you had S might not line up so you just have to muddle through and swear quietly as those tiny extra details you have been struggling to make vanish off into the ionospher with a ping of the tweezers :o
Amen to that :)