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Title: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 01, 2013, 06:00:50 AM
I have several Eduard 1:48 Weekend kits in my stash, so I have decided to do an experiment - to see if one can be finished over a weekend.  This means integrating with my regular weekend activities, not modelling from breakfast until bedtime!

I am stretching the concept of "weekend" a little, by opening the box and checking the sprues etc tonight (Thursday) and perhaps making a small start - this is to compensate for doing the rigging later, as the Weekend kits do not include rigging diagrams so I think it is OK to add on a little extra for this ;)

Here's a box shot with the date:

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/boxstart1_zps394dd3c0.jpg)
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: rhallinger on March 01, 2013, 06:04:03 AM
Cool experiment Ian! ;D  Best of luck!

The box doesn't say how many weekends it takes to build, does it? ;)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Des on March 01, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
Good luck Ian, it will be interesting to see how far you get with the kit in just one weekend.

Des.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Todd Holaday on March 01, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
I never thought about taking "weekend edition" literally.  It would be an interesting idea for a group build project - a weekend edition kit with a one weekend time limit.

I think you may be on to something here.  I would be interested to know if others would find that fun.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: coyotemagic on March 01, 2013, 08:02:00 AM
Have fun, Ian!  I also like the idea of a weekend group build.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: GAJouette on March 01, 2013, 08:25:56 AM
  Ian,
Great undertaking my old friend. Best of luck to you and I'll eagerly be waiting to see how she comes out.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: uncletony on March 01, 2013, 09:39:52 AM
Do you get to sleep?
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: LindsayT on March 01, 2013, 10:37:29 AM
I am so down for the Weekend Group Build! Watching with interest.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 01, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
Thanks folks - I never thought to suggest this as a GB, maybe another time?

I've cheated a bit by starting on Thursday evening, but that is because I am going to be away for most of Saturday daytime.  Another time I'll have all my waking hours over a weekend free, but not this time.

Progress: cut several bits off sprues, dryfitted fuselage halves and the lower wing, painted the gun, the engine and the cowling, as well as the base coat on the prop and on the wheels.  No pics yet, and I need to study the rigging pattern, in particular the attachment points near the struts.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Chris Johnson on March 01, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
I definitely want to see if you can manage this and still remain sane. Personally, I'd have picked a three day holiday weekend, but I'd still fall flat on my face.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Modelnut on March 01, 2013, 11:47:46 AM
I definitely want to see if you can manage this and still remain sane. Personally, I'd have picked a three day holiday weekend, but I'd still fall flat on my face.

Cheers,

Chris



Easter isn't that far away. Some get 3-4 days off that weekend.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 02, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
So here in the UK it is just after 9 am on Saturday, and here's where I am so far, with 2x 3 hours of the last 2 evenings.

I have painted the red and green of the Tricolore on the undersides of both wings.  I thought the central panels might have been white but the instructions call for aluminium dope so I will leave it.  The grey primer allows for the aluminium to go on thinly so I can build this up by layers, which is important for the top wing upper surface as the previously applied french roundels just about show through the dope.

Engine and cowling painted.  The engine block itself is fine, but there is no detailing - the profipack of this kit would have PE details I guess.  The engine will be hidden mostly by the cowling so that is OK.  For a weekend build, I have little or no time to scratch details such as push rods etc - and also I haven't researched the engine type to see what would be needed.

Rudder decals applied, and the interior wood parts are painted.  I normally use the oils brushed over acrylic technique, but that won't dry over a weekend.  I applied a base coat, then shaded with a variety of brown colouring pencils before applying a couple of washes in different wood tones, and sealed all with klear.  The intention is not to show graining as such, more the different colour tones.  If I had more time, I would have masked up to paint the framework with sharper edges - again for me this is a sacrifice of quality for time.

The wheels are painted but need another coat, the tyres tidying and some work on the hubs.  The propeller is ready for the laminations - fortunately the prop is quite "straight" so this could be easier.  I will finish it with wood colour washes and tinted kleaar rather than oils.

I have an hour or so this morning, during which I plan to paint and assemble the rudimentary control column, throttle, rudder bar, ammo box etc and close up the fuselage, so that if any filler is needed that can be added to dry through the day.  This kit is minus cockpit instruments, although the decals are provided.  I don't have time to scratch any instruments so the cockpit will be very basic.

So far my thoughts are that I may still "finish" this before Monday morning, although if I could dedicate more time during today and tomorrow I could add more details.  The quality of the model will be lowered as a consequence, but I think an acceptable result can be achieved. 

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/firstassmeblage_zps793ef493.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/firstassemblagecloseup_zpsd783a639.jpg)
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: LindsayT on March 02, 2013, 11:41:17 PM
Go, Ian, go!

Love that shiny engine cowl.

LT
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Chris Johnson on March 02, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
She looks every bit as good as the stuff I labour over for weeks at a time. I don't know how you're doing it Ian, but pour the coal to 'er and git 'er done!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: michael on March 03, 2013, 12:58:05 AM
Great stuff Ian.

my weekend kit took me about 8-9 week  :P

i am slowe than slow  ;)

michael
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: coyotemagic on March 03, 2013, 02:28:13 AM
Very nice start, Ian.  At this rate, I think you'll be able to finish on time.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: GAJouette on March 03, 2013, 05:10:27 AM
  Ian,
Excellent progress and fast too. As Bud said I think you'll finish by your deadline. Keep up the grand works my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: uncletony on March 03, 2013, 05:50:22 AM
Go Ian Go!
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: pepperman42 on March 03, 2013, 07:55:00 AM
Out of the gate very quickly!! Looks great!!

Steve
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 04, 2013, 07:46:28 AM
Thanks folks, this is doing OK as a quick build.  I have made quite a bit of progress on the model, but it won't be done in a weekend.  I have probably done about 15/16 hours on it, but if I was to dedicate every waking hour from friday teatime until sunday bedtime that would give 30+ hours, then it could be done.  This still would preclude the use of oils for woodgraining, and the more skilled you are the quicker you work I suppose.

I have assembled the fuselage halves then the lower wing to the fuselage, painted this with a little filler added, as well as the top wing.  I used Revell Aqua no 99 Aluminium for the doped areas, in thinned coats.  This Italian version calls for overpainting of French roundels, which I think has come out ok.  I touched up the wheels, tail skid, and drilled out some of the rigging holes.

For the prop and wing struts I used coloured pencils to give hints of colour variation in the wood, then a wood colour wash and finally a tinted klear coating.  The wing struts have aluminium bands, about 1mm thin, which I tried to do freehand but really ought to be masked.  The day finally caught up with me and I stopped here, for fear of making a silly mistake.

Although the weekend opportunity has now passed, I will attempt to finish this asap, as if I could have committed more time to it. 

That's my conclusion really, you can build this over a weekend, just, but don't expect to do anything else!

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/seat_zps9a39f5e9.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/joinedup_zpse01ca665.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/filler_zpsb8bc9a9c.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/topwing_zps952a7f99.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/topwing2_zpsfae71608.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/dope_zpsbf5a31e3.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/underside_zps42e8a5a1.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/wheels_zps8abde525.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/propeller_zps7f33e171.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/strut_zps07c0b9b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: rhallinger on March 04, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
That really looks good Ian!  I particularly like the wood tones in the cockpit and the silver overpaint of the top wing roundels.  How did you achieve that?

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: kinnies on March 04, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
That is looking very fine, Ian. You might not be able to get it done this weekend, but there's always the next. Anyhow, I always understood the Weekend Edition to mean it had to be done on the weekends ... ;)

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 04, 2013, 06:07:33 PM
Thank you :)

Bob, the over painting was more straightforward then I imagined.  I used a mid-grey rattle tin primer, before applying the decals.  The aluminium was hand brushed on in several thin coats, covering the decals, but because the primer was grey, the rest of the aluminium surface looks ok by default.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: pepperman42 on March 04, 2013, 10:37:01 PM
Amazing use of a weekend!!!

Steve
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 05, 2013, 09:47:32 AM
Managed a little more tonight.  Fuselage decals and elevator stencils applied and sealed with klear.  Engine and cowling fitted, and rigging holes drilled out, some of which is guesswork following research as there are missing guide markings on the kit.  I attached one end of each rigging line, either to the underside of the top wing, or to the cabane struts.  Windscreen surround is painted, as are the undercarriage components but these are still on the sprue.  The elevator and rudder control horns look tiny but will be ok with patience.  I think if this was truly a weekend job, then you can forget rigging too!

Build time approx 20 hours so far.  I did consider trying to laminate the prop, but I was quite pleased with the results so far using the quick method with pencils and klear, so will leave alone.  No more pics yet, tomorrow maybe....
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: uncletony on March 05, 2013, 10:17:01 AM
think if this was truly a weekend job, then you can forget rigging too!

Build time approx 20 hours so far. 

How about expanding the definition of "weekend" to 24 hours total build time?
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 06, 2013, 06:17:19 AM
A few more pics before I do an hour or so later...

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/prophub_zps8f1e7b9e.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/gun_zpsdc83c736.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/cowling1_zps1ae83e66.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/decal_zpsaaf4143b.jpg)
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 06, 2013, 06:37:20 AM
Looking good Ian, but surely 'weekend' means something that is built at weekends not in one weekend.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 06, 2013, 11:59:23 PM
You may be right Pete, but I reckon they did mean these to be built over a weekend.  Unfortunately, and I am sure it is the same for almost everyone, life gets in the way!!

I did not touch the model last night - I could have used oils on the prop after all....
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: coyotemagic on March 07, 2013, 02:58:14 AM
So what if you didn't finish it over the weekend, Ian.  You got a lot done on it and you did it beautifully.  Very well done, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: rhallinger on March 07, 2013, 04:57:27 AM
This is looking very sharp Ian!  Can you tell me what paint you used on the cowling?  It looks great!  Is it buffed at all?  Thanks.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 07, 2013, 09:54:31 AM
Thanks all :)

The cowling is Mr Metal Silver Chrome, brushed on and gently buffed...
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 07, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
Did a little more last night, front cabane struts, rudder, control horn rigging etc.  Attached the gun and windscreen.  The ammo chutes don't have a location slot so the fit is a little disappointing - I could have done more work on this had I wanted to spend more time on it.

Wing struts, undercarriage, prop and tailskid almost ready to go. All are ready, just need assembly and touch up paint.  The rigging lines for the wings and undercarriage are already attached at one end.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/100_3811_zps4e8e5749.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/100_3812_zpsca25d890.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/100_3817_zpsbfddbf54.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/Nieuport/01da5c7d-bcce-458e-9ec6-a8d5878608e1_zps1409cae6.jpg)
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: pepperman42 on March 07, 2013, 11:46:33 PM
Very sharp work!!. The metal/silver dope looks great!!

Steve
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 09, 2013, 10:50:10 AM
Thanks Steve :)

This model is now finished :)  I say finished, I mean I have stopped at the point where I am now.  As a "weekend" kit, it lacks some detail.  There are also some parts that are ill fitting, or that ideally need work to provide a smarter assembly - such as locating slots for the ammo chutes, strengthening the rudder attachment, laminating the prop, improving the fit of the wing/cabane struts etc.  All of which I believe I am capable of achieving (now, not a year or two ago) but I have deliberately avoided due to this being a quick build by choice

I knew all along, but I cannot complete a weekend kit in a weekend, to the standard I would want to, even if all the hours I have spent (30+) over the past week were compressed into 2 days and 3 evenings.

Pics to follow tomorrow.  It's too late tonight.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Dal Gavan on March 09, 2013, 03:58:23 PM
It's looking good, Ian.  As Steve said, the dope contrasts nicely with the cowling.  I look forward to the finished photo's.

Dal.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 10, 2013, 09:17:04 PM
Great job in the time that you have taken Ian, look forward to the finished photos.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: Eduard 1:48 Nieuport 17 Weekend Edition
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 10, 2013, 09:36:41 PM
Thanks :)

Here you go... http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1568.msg25394#msg25394 (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1568.msg25394#msg25394)