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The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => Topic started by: Vickers on October 20, 2024, 04:10:45 AM
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I got started on this Roden Triplane shortly after finishing up the Rhys-Davids S.E.5A and it was going smoothly, so I think I'll have this one done just in time for the group build closure. Using the LeRhone 9 from the Special Hobby Nieuport 16 with some Roden bits cobbled onto the back. I have a Vector version enroute from Europe to replace it, but it won't be here in time for this model. Also, Gaspatch Spandaus and the Aviattic Voss special w/cowling- looking forward to trying out those "death of the hobby" camoflage streaking decals. I've also ganked some of the parts from the Meng F.I sprue like the tail surfaces, ailerons, and wheels. Scratchbuilt a few bits bits like the ammo feed chutes, since the Roden parts are too narrow for the Gaspatch ammo belts. Thirteen days to go before the clock strikes midnight, so I gotta scoot back to the bench!
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I'll be checking in on everyone's builds during the breaks from the bench. Onward and upward!
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Here's where I am as of close of bidniz today. Got the doubled cables and turnbuckles on the side frames, gin'd up some paper & tape seatbelts, and applied the funky wood Aviattic decals to the inner fuselage sides. Hopefully, I'll be closing up the fuselage by midday tomorrow.
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You have my utmost respect starting this with 13 days and ticking. I WILL be following this for sure !!
Best of luck.
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Go man, go! Wonderful work so far, looking forward to this one getting over the line. You can do it! :)
Cheers,
BC
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Wonderful in all aspects! You're really racing through the initial stages, but I suppose that's necessary given the time frame.
/Fredrik
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You've set yourself a challenging target, but it looks like you might make it. Great start, very nice work on the interior. Keep going!
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You have my utmost respect starting this with 13 days and ticking. I WILL be following this for sure !!
Best of luck.
Go man, go! Wonderful work so far, looking forward to this one getting over the line. You can do it! :)
Cheers,
BC
Wonderful in all aspects! You're really racing through the initial stages, but I suppose that's necessary given the time frame.
/Fredrik
You've set yourself a challenging target, but it looks like you might make it. Great start, very nice work on the interior. Keep going!
Thank you, Allan31, Brad, Fredrik, and NigelR. I appreciate the encouragement!
Time is nigh, but I'm just going for steady progress each day and fending off any impulse to rush it. Not to sound like a whiner, but Roden's instructions leave a bit to be desired- I had to keep referring to the WS Datafile and a few other resources just to ground truth what I thought the instructions were illustrating. Oh well, figuring out where everything should go is all part of the fun I suppose. Today was all about the office, a little bit of control cable and trigger cable stuff, and a whole bunch of test fitting of the remaining bits to figure out their relationships with the middle wing and upper fuselage coaming. Fashioned the big instrument that hangs from the starboard side of the ammo box. I might marry up the fuselage halves later today and rotate the ammo boxes in and attach the firewall. Then again, first thing tomorrow should do nicely since there will still be plenty of time for preshading and exterior paint.
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Great work, V - and fast too.
Your paper and tape seatbelts look really good, better than my PE attempts.
Nice one
Sandy
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Thanks, Sandy. I don't care much for metal seatbelts. I've scanned various pe seatbelts and I print them out, back them with tape, and then cut them out. Sometimes I use the pe parts for the metal bits. My printer's acting up, so I just traced around the pe parts from a WNW Fokker and cut them out.
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You're making good progress here. I found the Roden FI to be a bit of a struggle, so best of luck!
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Today's progress. Got the fuselage together- bit of a putty hog- and had to figure out a way to create the lower lip for the Aviattic cowling. So, I sawed off that bit from the extra cowling in the Meng kit- which appears to be appropriate for one of the "V" prototypes. Had to shave down the bottom edge of the Roden firewall to get it to fit. Luckily, the LeRhone 9 didn't present any fit trouble in there. A bit of test fitting looked promising. Then, on to the preshading which I hop won't disappear under the decals, the blue base color (which of course James McCudden described as "silver blue") using Aeromaster's "Russian Light Blue" enamel. After that, a coat of Pledge with Future Shine mixed 7:3 with 91% isopropyl alcohol.
Well, I may call it a day and proceed with the Aviattic decals in the morning. It's been a long enough day at the bench and I don't wanna overextend myself and screw things up. In other words, it's Beer:30 here.
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Okay, after dinner and a couple of marzens I found that I still had some residual energy for the bench. So, I applied the Aviattic camoflage decals. My hat's off to Aviattic- these don't even act like decals. They're more like some kinda skin. Super durable and lay right on down. I used plenty of Microset so that I'd be able to massage them out a bit and some Microsol wherever I thought they might need a little help over spots that had some molded relief. I'm happy with the result. Insignia and specific markings going on in the morning. Sorry about the overtly warm lighting. It looked good through the viewfinder, but next time I'll go with colder light.
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Wow! You are a fast worker! That's amazing progress in such a short space of time, well done. This is really coming together well.
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Great fun watching you hammer through this, like fast forwarding through the slow bits of a movie.
Awfully relieved you are a green cowling guy and not a yellow.
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Wow! You are a fast worker! That's amazing progress in such a short space of time, well done. This is really coming together well.
Thanks, NigelR. I don't normally work this fast, but Halloween approacheth and it is a rather simple variant. Not like a DH.2 or Bristol fighter.
Great fun watching you hammer through this, like fast forwarding through the slow bits of a movie.
Awfully relieved you are a green cowling guy and not a yellow.
Thanks, Allan31. I've never been able to see a yellow cowling in the existing images of FI.103/17 and I don't reckon that Voss felt the need considering that the rest of the squadron were flying Pfalz D.III's. Perhaps the mechanics never got around to it and Voss seems to have been more concerned with tactics and technical matters like airframes, powerplants, and armament.
Spent most of the day removing an old dishwasher and installing a new one. Anyhow, here's as far as I got tonight. I was just starting to install the MG's and it was becoming a bit of a struggle snuggle. Then, on a second attempt to attach the starboard ammunition feed it went "ping" and got launched across the room. Or so I thought. Clearing off every object on my hobby bench and even searching behind my tool box and display cases based on it's last known trajectory, I finally resigned myself to the fact that I'd have to make another one. Wiping the dust off my hands, I felt something tiny on my shorts and sure enough it had glued itself to me and had been stuck there throughout the exhaustive search. I'm just glad that I don't have to make another one. :D
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Best regards and happy modeling everyone!
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When it comes to parts going 'ping', I'm pretty sure the normal laws of physics don't apply... They definitely don't fly the way they should based on force, momentum and so on. Good thing you found you part!
And, brilliant work with colours and decals. Looks like you'll manage the deadline just fine.
/Fredrik
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Another wow at how much you are able to accomplish so quickly to such a high standard! She is looking really good.
I was just starting to install the MG's and it was becoming a bit of a struggle snuggle. Then, on a second attempt to attach the starboard ammunition feed it went "ping" and got launched across the room. Or so I thought. Clearing off every object on my hobby bench and even searching behind my tool box and display cases based on it's last known trajectory, I finally resigned myself to the fact that I'd have to make another one. Wiping the dust off my hands, I felt something tiny on my shorts and sure enough it had glued itself to me and had been stuck there throughout the exhaustive search. I'm just glad that I don't have to make another one. :D
Now that made me laugh out loud! We've all been there......
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..... and no matter how often we've all been there it will happen yet again! Reminds me of the episode a few years back when I gave up after at least an hour of searching for an errant cylinder head IIRC and reached out to scratch the ear of my constant little canine helper and, yes! there it was stuck on his furry head! You can't possibly make this stuff up! :)
Beautiful F.1 Vickers, and incredible pace with no compromise in quality!
Cheers,
Lance
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When it comes to parts going 'ping', I'm pretty sure the normal laws of physics don't apply... They definitely don't fly the way they should based on force, momentum and so on. Good thing you found you part!
And, brilliant work with colours and decals. Looks like you'll manage the deadline just fine.
/Fredrik
Thanks, FAf. I'm beginning to doubt that the carpet moster actually exists because I think that these ping'd parts go to the same afterlife as our missing left socks. I don't mind the time it took to scrub the hobby room since my bench is clean again and I didn't have to make another one.
Another wow at how much you are able to accomplish so quickly to such a high standard! She is looking really good.
I was just starting to install the MG's and it was becoming a bit of a struggle snuggle. Then, on a second attempt to attach the starboard ammunition feed it went "ping" and got launched across the room. Or so I thought. Clearing off every object on my hobby bench and even searching behind my tool box and display cases based on it's last known trajectory, I finally resigned myself to the fact that I'd have to make another one. Wiping the dust off my hands, I felt something tiny on my shorts and sure enough it had glued itself to me and had been stuck there throughout the exhaustive search. I'm just glad that I don't have to make another one. :D
Now that made me laugh out loud! We've all been there......
Thanks, NigelR. I'm glad that you enjoyed that.
..... and no matter how often we've all been there it will happen yet again! Reminds me of the episode a few years back when I gave up after at least an hour of searching for an errant cylinder head IIRC and reached out to scratch the ear of my constant little canine helper and, yes! there it was stuck on his furry head! You can't possibly make this stuff up! :)
Beautiful F.1 Vickers, and incredible pace with no compromise in quality!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks, Lance. Good thing that your hound didn't bury that cylinder in the yard.
So, as of midday I hve all of the plastic in place. I had to make some compromises in order to get the spandaus in there, mainly reducing the ammo feed chutes and empty shell case whirlygigs in length and thickness. Then I put the rest of the beastie together and had to go attend a birthday party for my grandniece, where the adults all drained a keg and did shots. Of course. I think I'll let the F.I rest up overnight. Tomorrow, it'll get the breather pipes that I forgot about, a satin coat, that little bit of rigging and the control wires (thank you, Anthony Fokker) and render the propeller. With any luck, it'll be ready for final imagery and the display case by dinner time tomorrow where it'll take its place next to the S.E.5a B'525.
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Love it.
Brandy new condition or weathered? It was well used and did have a rather hard life.
Can't wait to see.
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Love it.
Brandy new condition or weathered? It was well used and did have a rather hard life.
Can't wait to see.
Hard, but short. I intend to add some oil stains in the usual places, but I have a bad habit of finishing models in showroom condition. Mostly because I suck at weathering.
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Again, more amazing progress. I spent 8 hours yesterday adding some small details and 10 rigging wires to my EIV, jeez I need to speed up! ;D This is quality work at speed.
..... and had to go attend a birthday party for my grandniece, where the adults all drained a keg and did shots.
Now that sounds like a tolerable kid's party!!
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Quote from: Vickers on Today at 08:42:53 AM
..... and had to go attend a birthday party for my grandniece, where the adults all drained a keg and did shots.
Ha! Now we have the secret to the speed of execution and high quality of work!
You're like one of those darts players that has to have 30 pints to steady their aim in a tournament.
Whatever the secret, it works! Great model
Sandy
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Again, more amazing progress. I spent 8 hours yesterday adding some small details and 10 rigging wires to my EIV, jeez I need to speed up! ;D This is quality work at speed.
..... and had to go attend a birthday party for my grandniece, where the adults all drained a keg and did shots.
Now that sounds like a tolerable kid's party!!
I believe it. It took me three hours just get the dual aileron wires from the upper wing to the cockipt coaming this morning. There was a measure of profanity involved. Yeah, the party was fun.
Quote from: Vickers on Today at 08:42:53 AM
..... and had to go attend a birthday party for my grandniece, where the adults all drained a keg and did shots.
Ha! Now we have the secret to the speed of execution and high quality of work!
You're like one of those darts players that has to have 30 pints to steady their aim in a tournament.
Whatever the secret, it works! Great model
Sandy
Nothing steadies the hands like a fine ale. At least in my case. The party was great. My nephew's family, friends, and in-laws are all neovikings. They wear the ash makeup, a bunch of leather including shinguards and gauntlets, with hatchets and swords swinging at the hip. Really fun people to drink with.
Okay, so it's been something like a week and I'm calling this one done. It's been a lot of fun and it'll look good next to the Rhys-Davids S.E.5a- reminiscent of the old Revell 1/72nd dual kits, I suppose. No matter what I did, it insisted on about a 2? tilt to port, so I overcame that by using .015 brass wire for the undercarriage rigging. I found that the Aviattic streaky decals were easy to work with and fit the Roden kit very nicely. It's a continuous sheet and recommend cutting them very close and using the trailing edge scallops as your guide. They're very tough decals as well so you can sneak a brush loaded up with your favorite setting solution and wick it up under the decal if you need to adjust them. The insignia, serials, and face are conventional so no issues there. I didn't have the heart to weather it heavily, but I did toss in some oil stains on the axle wing and along the chine of the fuselage. Locked it all in with a coat of Alclad II Satin.
I think my next project might be a silver-doped Nieuport. Or perhaps the Roden SPAD VII. It may take me awhile to decide.
I'll miss you, Dave. Someday I hope to meet up with you in that great big hobby shop in the sky.
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Real nice job V, great handling of those decals.
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Well done, Vickers! A quick but very well built model. Impressive!
/Fredrik
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Well done for getting this done in time, I think the end result looks fantastic. You did a great job with the decals and overall finish, this one is very acceptable with just a light touch of weathering. Lovely job!
It took me three hours just get the dual aileron wires from the upper wing to the cockipt coaming this morning. There was a measure of profanity involved.
Well that's some reassurance at least. But you are still a damn fast worker!
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Very very nice Voss's bird... Congratulations.
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Thank you for your kind and encouraging comments, Allan31, FAf, NigelR, and Przemol! I appreciate your feedback.
Epilogue
Prior to placing this one in the display case, I decided to shoot a few closeups wherever there were details to be seen and I think that that'll do it. I thought it would be fun to adapt the Quinta Axial propeller decals intended for planes with spinners to the Fokker and got mixed results, so I'm not going to try that again:
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Nice detail shots. The guns and the ammo belts in particular look great, well worth the effort on those.
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Really fantastic results here - what a fine looking build! Curious what paint (brand/color) you used for the green of the deck in front of the pilot and cowling? It seems to match the Aviattic decals very well
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Outstanding work, sir! Especially with those decals, they can be tricky but you have done magnificently.
Your build highlights why Voss' triplane was described as having a silvery finish in Voss' final dogfight with 56SQN. From the right distance and in the brightness of daylight I can see how this could throw quite a silver tone.
Great stuff!
Cheers,
BC
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Nice detail shots. The guns and the ammo belts in particular look great, well worth the effort on those.
Thanks, NigelR. Given the distance between the upper deck and upper wing on the Fokker Triplanes, the spandaus are important. I did have to mess around a bit to get the Gaspatch Spandaus to fit and the kit fought me a bit, but I found the results acceptable.
Really fantastic results here - what a fine looking build! Curious what paint (brand/color) you used for the green of the deck in front of the pilot and cowling? It seems to match the Aviattic decals very well
Thanks petrov27. It can be very difficult to interpret old black & white photos, but I was guessing that the colors would be more saturated on the metal bits than over the canvas. I used a foundation of Floquil RLM82 and a light overcoat of their Japanese Navy Dark Green.
Outstanding work, sir! Especially with those decals, they can be tricky but you have done magnificently.
Your build highlights why Voss' triplane was described as having a silvery finish in Voss' final dogfight with 56SQN. From the right distance and in the brightness of daylight I can see how this could throw quite a silver tone.
Great stuff!
Cheers,
BC
Thanks, Brad. McCudden's description of Voss' triplane was fairly specific, which is why I think that if the cowling had been yellow he would've noticed that and mentioned it it his report. It certainly was one of the epic dogfights of the war- right up there with Hawker vs. Richtofen, Udet vs. Guynemer, Barker vs. darned near everybody, and few others.