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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Dutch522 on January 15, 2024, 02:32:27 PM
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Hi all, through an odd set of circumstances I was inspired to put my Amodel Nieuport 16 build aside at the end of November, and embark on a long-term project involving all the Wingnut Wings Eindeckers, from the E.I to the E.IV. Hopefully, more on this later.
For now, at least, I'm currently well into the cockpit of the E.I (Early). I'm honestly a little hesitant to post my efforts on the heels of recent Eindecker builds by Przemol, Gary, Tim Mixon, and Mike N, but it's been a while since I've posted any of my own work and I thought I'd put up a couple of pictures of my progress. Period cockpit details being fairly scarce, I'm making extensive use of Jamo's wonderful photo collection of the Achim Engel/TVAL repro currently based at Hood Aerodrome in New Zealand (Zac's stomping grounds!). While that one's an E.III, it provides a pretty good starting point for the earlier version.
I replicated the mixed copper/brass construction of the fuel tank just for fun/practice (knowing it would be completely hidden), complete with lines of blobby solder marks; likewise some totally unnecessary sworl effects on the areas behind the rear cockpit bulkhead to test out different combinations of methods:
(https://i.postimg.cc/VkBgwnQs/IMG-9751.jpg)[/url]
This weekend I decided to cut off the molded-in mixture control quadrant/"block tube":
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tVw6G3w/IMG-9797.jpg)
... since it seemed too far forward (the pilot would have had to have had arms like a gorilla to reach it comfortably), and scratchbuild a replacement out of a slice of Evergreen tube, strip, copper wire, and stretched bits of sprue:
(https://i.postimg.cc/52gsWLL5/IMG-9789.jpg)
It actually came out much better than I'd hoped, once it all got painted and temporarily mounted on the cockpit framing:
(https://i.postimg.cc/rwB0wFWh/IMG-9795.jpg)
Much left to do, grip on the control column, rigging & control cables, instruments, seatbelts, plumbing, and on and on. But I'm pretty happy with it so far, and, (best yet!) it's been tremendous fun.
Thanks for looking, and all best,
Dutch
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Nice work Dutch, the fuel tank looks great!!
Andrew
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Great start indeed!
what did you use for the fuel tank? pencils?
the effect is very convincing....
ciao
edo
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Very nice work on the Eindecker Dutch ;D
The colors and added details really look great!
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Well this is looking really good so far. Excellent "detailing for god". Which, due to my advancing years and therefore lack of remaining time to build the stash, I have decided not to do anymore...... ;)
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Nice project, Dutch, and a great start.
I like the tank with the solder effects.
Bet you'll enjoy WNW after an A-Model!
Sandy
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Lovely work there Dutch.
I'm also a fan of Eindekkers and it should be quite the collection when completed
Paul
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Great start, looking forward to see the continuation!
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@Davos522
Very nice work on the Fokker cockpit!
Allow me to make a small remark, Dutch:
Wingnut Wings has designed the throttle quadrant correctly.
The position is also right!
Note that there are NO levers but copper pipes.
These pipes contain the fuel - the quadrant is a valve.
In principle, there was only the full and zero throttle position - the engine speed was controlled by the blipper button on the control stick handle via the ignition interrupt.
(https://up.picr.de/46940189qi.jpg)
Here the tight space conditions in the E.III cockpit (replica in USA. Tip: Engels book!!).
Instruments and levers were almost identical on the E.III and E.II/E.I.
(https://up.picr.de/46939860an.jpg)
(https://up.picr.de/46939861lh.jpg)
Here is an original picture - an E.III captured by the French.
(https://up.picr.de/46939887dy.jpg)
Here is a drawing with an overview of the fuel system of the E.III (almost identical to E.II/E.I).
Drawing Dan-San Abbott 1996
There was only one lever to open or close the fuel tap.
But separately, this was not possible via the throttle quadrant.
You can see this lever below the rev counter in the picture of the E.III captured by the French
(https://up.picr.de/46939886je.jpg)
Servus
Bertl
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Thank you, Andrew, Ben, and Paul!
Sandy, that's putting it mildly... this is my first WnW kit, and I finally get what all the kerfuffle was about; I only wish I'd seen the light before the Dark Days fell upon the world...
Przemo, if this build comes out one-third as good as your E-I did, I'll be overjoyed!
Edo, the fuel tank was done with repeated applications of Testor's Copper enamel in the small jar wiped back while it was still tacky, then washed over with brown alcohol-based ink. It's what we call a "happy accident" in easel painting, and I probably couldn't reproduce it if my life depended on it!
Nigel, I made that promise to myself too after spending six weeks on the Nieuport interior. But as I said, a lot of it was practice with different paint techniques, so that makes me feel a bit better about it all eventually being swallowed up.
And Bertl, it figures I'd get started with a blunder (see my N.16 thread, where I began with the wrong seat, fortunately Rick/RAGIII and Steve/pepperman saved me a bunch of time on that one). Here's the quadrant on the NZ aeroplane that I was using for reference (blowup of one of Jamo's pics):
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y0Zb9YvC/IMG-9768.jpg)
Which has been moved aft by a good 8"/20cm. Why, I wonder?
But danke vielmals for taking time to point out the error in such detail... I have the photo you posted of the original cockpit and DSA's drawings from WWI Aero copied in my project binder, but never bothered to look at them! I'll move the quadrant back to where it should be, and add the U-shaped guard as well.
Help like this is only one of the many reasons I love this forum...
All best,
Dutch
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What an excellent start! I'm so excited to follow along.
Period cockpit details being fairly scarce, I'm making extensive use of Jamo's wonderful photo collection of the Achim Engel/TVAL repro currently based at Hood Aerodrome in New Zealand (Zac's stomping grounds!).
I normally live about 10min away from another of Achim's Eindeckers, but I'm currently back on the same island as Hood and 2.5hr or so drive away and will be there in a couple of weeks - I'll have to get a photo of Jamo and I together!
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Very nice!
Andreas
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Thanks, Zac & Andreas!
Zac, if you talk to anyone at Hood who's familiar with the Eindecker, could you ask them what the position of the stick is when the a/c is at rest? I'm thinking that it would automaticlly assume a neutral position because the tension of the wing-warping cables... or if anyone else knows, please LMK.
Dutch
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Wonderful work so far!
Warren
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Thanks, Zac & Andreas!
Zac, if you talk to anyone at Hood who's familiar with the Eindecker, could you ask them what the position of the stick is when the a/c is at rest? I'm thinking that it would automaticlly assume a neutral position because the tension of the wing-warping cables... or if anyone else knows, please LMK.
Dutch
From a logical point of view, the control stick is in the center position - the elevator (pendulum rudder in the case by Fokker Eindekkers) has a mass balance as it will be almost equally heavy in front of and behind the pivot point (on the ground, not in flight!).
This means that the control stick usually remains in the elevator position in which the pilot left it "parked" when getting out.
However, I know from gliders with a pendulum rudder that the wind moves the rudder, depending on whether it is pulled, pushed or in the neutral position.
The idea that the (even!) tension of the cables always keeps the stick in aileron neutral is completely correct and logical for airplanes with wing twist.
The rudder pedal, on the other hand, will deflect in the direction in which the wind pushes the rudder.
In our gliders, the control stick was fixed with the straps so that the wind could not push the control surfaces hard against their end stops (hinge limit).
The rudder was often blocked against wind pressure with a sandbag etc. when deflected.
But the above only reflects my experience with gliders, which I learned as a boy at our airfield.
Servus
Bertl
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Thanks again, Bertl, that perhaps explains the straps holding the stick in the picture of E.III 196/16 that you posted:
(https://i.postimg.cc/gjCWPBTJ/IMG-4678.jpg)
I thought it was such a cool detail I'll probably add them to my cockpit!
Dutch
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Beautiful work Dutch!
I love your eye for detailing.
Cheers,
Willem
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Zac, if you talk to anyone at Hood who's familiar with the Eindecker, could you ask them what the position of the stick is when the a/c is at rest? I'm thinking that it would automaticlly assume a neutral position because the tension of the wing-warping cables... or if anyone else knows, please LMK.
Dutch
I’m hoping to talk to both Eindecker pilots this weekend and will make a point of asking for you!
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Man, I wish I could be there! This Eindecker thing is becoming an all-consuming passion… just got the Aeronaut Press book on them today, which is the size of a small city phone-book. Looking forward to digesting all that data!
Dutch
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And thanks Willem!... forgot to add that when answering Zac's comment.
Since starting this project off with a goof on the control quadrant (rescued by Bertl, nochmals vielen Dank, mein Freund!) I've been working on the cockpit, and making slow progress while concentrating on other aspects of what, for me, is a massive undertaking. I'm quite happy with the way it's coming along:
(https://i.postimg.cc/sf6RpC5f/IMG-9940.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/KjgQkTnM/IMG-9944.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YqDYK0Yc/IMG-9946.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxLrDfND/IMG-9949.jpg)
Lots yet to be detailed, the control column, instruments, safety belts, finishing the rigging, and I'm fairly sure I'm going to replace the wobble-pump, since after cleaning up the sprue attachments it looked unacceptably clunky. But progress is being made. And, as always, there was a twinge of dismay upon dry fitting it into the fuselage and seeing how very very little of it will be seen once things get buttoned up...
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QB11hG0/IMG-9950.jpg)
... but God will know it's there, right, Nigel? :)
All best,
Dutch
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Lovely work, this is progressing very nicely indeed. Interesting looking decals there........
... but God will know it's there, right, Nigel? :)
It's now become Schrodinger's fuel tank - it's both there and not there :)
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Amazing detail there Dutch. It is a shame that most will be invisible when the fuselage is closed.
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Great work! The wood tones and dirt is really well done :)
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Excellent work on your Eindecker, Dutch. Enjoying your progress.
Cheers,
Gary
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Very fine progress on the cockpit.
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Lovely work, this is progressing very nicely indeed. Interesting looking decals there........
... but God will know it's there, right, Nigel? :)
It's now become Schrodinger's fuel tank - it's both there and not there :)
I wondered about the decals as well - linen effect but not Aviattic it seems ???
Mike
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Great detail and precise work thus far Dutch, a real pleasure to follow your progress and refining of an already high quality Kit. Some really good model building here!
Cheers!
Lance
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Thank you all, the feedback here is tremendously motivational!
- Gary, as I said to Prze somewhere along the way, if my Eindecker comes out one-third as good as your E.II and E.IV did I’ll be satisfied. I have your build logs bookmarked.
- Tim, your “dogfight double” Eindeckers were really the inspiration for this whole project, they came out so beautifully, so you’re the spiritual godfather of this whole thing (which of course means I’ll be blaming you if it all falls apart!)
- Ben, thanks for the comment on the dirt, the one thing that strikes me in looking at (literally) hundreds of E-series airframes is how grungy they all were! One of the challenges I set myself was to model a “well-used” example.
- Przemo, thank you, as noted above, I’m hoping to approach a 3.0 on the Litewka Scale with this one…
- Nigel, the expression “Schrodinger’s fuel-tank” is priceless, and has already become part of the common heritage of my son’s and my modeling vocabularies!
- Lance, thank you… getting comments like these from folks I consider to be master-level modelers means a lot.
- And Mike, all I can say at present is that Projekt Eindecker is a collaborative effort between myself and an as-yet unnamed third party...
All best,
Dutch
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Dutch, this is looking superb.
And I've finally got an Eindecker of my own to join the fun!...the Airfix 1/72 kit, which fits my budget ;D
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Thanks, Zac, and glad you've joined the monoplane cult! I understand the Airfix kit is a lot better than the little 1:72 Revell version I built—in Ottoman Turk markings—back in the early 1970s.
Other aspects of the project have been occupying the past several weeks, but work progresses and I've finally been able to put some time in on the cockpit:
(https://i.postimg.cc/pryqPGX1/IMG-4750.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WzpJ104D/IMG-4745.jpg)
I added the rudder and gun-trigger cables, and began some oil-staining on the Aviattic French Linen decals on the cockpit walls. In the real aeroplane, the turnbuckles in the front bays were actually bound with what looks to be either strips of fabric or leather, presumably to avoid catching on the pilot's clothing, but this is the first use of test copies of the six-inch 3D printed turnbuckles my sons and I are developing and I just didn't have the heart to cover them up :) I decided not to add the elevator control-lock at the base of the column, reasoning that it was developed to allow the pilot to have both hands free to deal with gun jams according to Peter Grosz in WWI Aero; since the E.I was a first-gen weapons system I doubt the need for something like that had become clear yet. I may be wrong, if anybody knows for sure please LMK.
Finally, my son Curt was at the local Barnes & Nobel a couple of weeks ago and, seeing that the then-current issue of Model Airplane International featured a build of the WnW E.II, bought it for me. I finally got around to reading the article the other day; my first thought was "Wow! What a fantastic build!" Then I glanced at the author's name, and burst out laughing, it was our own Gary Edmundson... whose build log of this very model I have bookmarked, and which, along with Prze's E.I and Tim Mixon's double-build of the Navy E.IIIs, pretty much inspired this whole epic project. Grab the issue if you still can!
(https://i.postimg.cc/z3mxW7Pf/IMG-4749.jpg)
Unfortunately the entire article is flagged as a 1:48 build on the page headers, but I guess the editors missed that!
Dutch
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Lovely work here Dutch, I really like the weathering. The interior is looking fantastic. Pity Schrodinger has his grasping claws ready for it.....
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Amazing work Dutch! You really captured the look of the cockpit. Colors, dirt and grime all look spot on :)
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Great work on the cockpit!
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Thank you all, “she’s a gettin’ there” as my grandfather used to say.
Nigel, thanks to you I’m thinking of sponsoring a Schrödinger Trophy here on the forum for the Best Detail Nobody Will Ever See. The actual award will be a big cardboard box and a bag of cat food.
Ben, I’m having such fun getting things grungy that I may end up overdoing it. But there again Eindeckers were filthy little beasts…
And Prze, thanks. I’m constantly referring to your build of Wintgens’s machine!
Dutch
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Thank you all, “she’s a gettin’ there” as my grandfather used to say.
Nigel, thanks to you I’m thinking of sponsoring a Schrödinger Trophy here on the forum for the Best Detail Nobody Will Ever See. The actual award will be a big cardboard box and a bag of cat food.
Ben, I’m having such fun getting things grungy that I may end up overdoing it. But there again Eindeckers were filthy little beasts…
And Prze, thanks. I’m constantly referring to your build of Wintgens’s machine!
Dutch
Hi Dutch,
Just send an empty box as the prize.
After all, no-one will be able to see what's inside it, once it's closed up ;D,
Mike
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Nigel, thanks to you I’m thinking of sponsoring a Schrödinger Trophy here on the forum for the Best Detail Nobody Will Ever See. The actual award will be a big cardboard box and a bag of cat food.
Excellent! I'm sure I will win it. Yet at the same time, I also won't win it..........
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Good point, Mike, this quantum modeling is a difficult thing to wrap your head around... ;D
And Nigel, having just seen your Strutter cockpit there’s no question that the prestigious Trophy—or rather the potentiality of the Trophy—will simultaneously be appearing/not appearing in your mailbox soon.
Dutch
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Goodness, I spend a few days away from the forum and everyone gets all philosophical ;D
The cockpit is looking terrific! Having seen three Engels E.III reproductions in person - one flying (photos of that airframe by Jamo here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13952.0), one running (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=14010.0) - (and asking the pilots to autograph the kit box), and with the recent inundation of stunning large-scale builds of the family, I'm itching to get started on the little Airfix Eindecker.
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Hi Dutch,
Zac posted some shots of the Eindecker in the 'Aircraft' page of the forum.
One shows something most modelers of the Eindecker's miss.
The flying/landing wire turnbuckles for the wings are colour coded as per the original aircraft.
Red on the starboard (right) wing and Green/Blue on the left.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/FOKKER-E.IV/shots/EIV-10.jpg)
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Hi Dutch,
Zac posted some shots of the Eindecker in the 'Aircraft' page of the forum.
One shows something most modelers of the Eindecker's miss.
The flying/landing wire turnbuckles for the wings are colour coded as per the original aircraft.
Red on the starboard (right) wing and Green/Blue on the left.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/FOKKER-E.IV/shots/EIV-10.jpg)
That is an interesting thing about the coloured turnbuckles. Thank you, Mike! I will have to amend my E.I with this. But before I do, I would just prefer to make sure, why did not they follow the pattern of the position lamps of ships (or modern aircraft) with red-left and green-right...
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Mike, many thanks for clearing up a mystery that’s been puzzling me for some time now! I’ve been trying to figure out the meaning of the “colour-coded turnbuckle" inscriptions on the wingtips of the E-series a/c that are occasionally visible: “Rote Spannscholßer nicht öffnen” and “Blaue Spannschloßer öffnen”. You can clearly see them in the photo on pg. 70 of Herris & Scott’s Fokker Aircraft of WWI, Vol. II... I totally missed them in Zac’s photos and in your E.IV build log.
And Zac, that’s the kind of silliness that’s only to be expected when you and Dave and Brad and Lance’s backs are turned :D
All best,
Dutch
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Finally, my son Curt was at the local Barnes & Nobel a couple of weeks ago and, seeing that the then-current issue of Model Airplane International featured a build of the WnW E.II, bought it for me. I finally got around to reading the article the other day; my first thought was "Wow! What a fantastic build!" Then I glanced at the author's name, and burst out laughing, it was our own Gary Edmundson... whose build log of this very model I have bookmarked, and which, along with Prze's E.I and Tim Mixon's double-build of the Navy E.IIIs, pretty much inspired this whole epic project. Grab the issue if you still can!
(https://i.postimg.cc/z3mxW7Pf/IMG-4749.jpg)
Unfortunately the entire article is flagged as a 1:48 build on the page headers, but I guess the editors missed that!
Dutch
Thanks for the kind words, Dutch! I never see these magazines and was unaware that my article had been mis-labelled as 1/48...must have a word with Brett Green about that :D
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Hi Dutch,
Zac posted some shots of the Eindecker in the 'Aircraft' page of the forum.
One shows something most modelers of the Eindecker's miss.
The flying/landing wire turnbuckles for the wings are colour coded as per the original aircraft.
Red on the starboard (right) wing and Green/Blue on the left.
Mike
That is an interesting thing about the coloured turnbuckles. Thank you, Mike! I will have to amend my E.I with this. But before I do, I would just prefer to make sure, why did not they follow the pattern of the position lamps of ships (or modern aircraft) with red-left and green-right...
Yes, being ex-RAF, I also wondered why the colours were opposite.
Here's what an IMPS America review of an Eindecker said:
As you will see from some of the photos, the Eindeckers used a color-coded system for identifying which turnbuckles went where.
The aircraft were regularly transported on wagons which were pulled by various vehicles.
Their rigging was taken down and the wings secured alongside the fuselage for transport.
When reassembling the wings and rigging, it was evidently important that turnbuckles meant for the starboard wing were not used on the port wing, and vice versa.
Consequently, the turnbuckles were color-coded and instructions to this effect were stenciled on the wingtips for the mechanic’s edification – starboard red, port green, and the pylon turnbuckles were painted blue.'
Mike
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Be advised this isn’t strictly modeling, but it is still on the red/blue theme and I thought some of you might find it interesting to get a glimpse into the decal-making end of Projekt Eindecker. I took a few hours last night and today to prepare the vector art for the stenciled lettering that’s going to go on the wings, fuselage, and inner wheel covers, and one of the elements I’ve really been looking forward to creating is the stenciling that appeared on the wingtips (which now makes sense, thanks to Mike Norris), Rote Spannlössen nicht öffnen and Blaue Spannlössen öffnen—“Don’t open the red turnbuckles” and “Open the blue turnbuckles”. I couldn’t find a decent picture of the actual lettering, so I started with a photo of one of the New Zealand E.IIIs from Jamo’s SmugMug page, which I imported into Photoshop:
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdWFZbt1/temp-Image-Va7s-So.avif)
… and then manipulated until it was kinda-sorta on a straight line:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vv1SDDtB/temp-Image-Iga-RT2.avif)
After that it was a matter of laying out a couple of guides to establish the size of the letters, then using the Pen tool to “draw” each one… actually outlining them with a path made up of mathematical control points connected by combinations of straight lines and Bézier curves:
(https://i.postimg.cc/xCgYVR7P/temp-Image-LCpu-Wx.avif)
After doing outlines for all the letters and adjusting them for visual balance, I cut and pasted all the paths onto a vector mask over layers of solid black, red, and blue, and eventually ended up with this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/dtYXjdxs/temp-Imagetcg-Clr.avif)
Some of it is guesswork on my part; as a graphic designer I based the “B” in “Blaue” on my knowledge of the type of Art Nouveau typefaces that were in common usage in 1915. Also, on the NZ E.III repro there’s only a single line of lettering in black, with the flag at the end, most likely because of the information they had to work with when it was built; the red letters showed up as black on orthochromatic film, while the blue washed out against the relatively light background of the doped linen and simply disappeared in most period photos. It’s only in a very few that the lettering shows clearly, as in this detail from the Aeronaut Press Fokker Aircraft of WWI, Vol. II:
(https://i.postimg.cc/HWJxGJd1/temp-Image-Io-Uik-Q.avif)
To me it looks like the warnings were meant to be read by the riggers from the front of the aeroplane, as it looks like the “flagstaff” is parallel to the edge of the white field for the national insignia. At least that’s the way I interpreted it, if anyone has evidence to the contrary, please let me know.
Anyway, as I’m sure many of you know, the advantage of doing this stuff as vector art rather than just drawing it freehand or as a pixel-based “raster” file is that it becomes resolution-independent; for instance this Maximall logo I did for the fuel gauge can be shrunk down to 1:32, or blown up to fit on the side of the Goodyear blimp with no loss of detail (subject only to dpi capability of the printer or display system):
(https://i.postimg.cc/4yT6YnC8/temp-Imaged8-R2sx.avif)
It’d kind of make a cool T-shirt, wouldn’t it?
Dutch
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Thank you for this 'mini-guide'. I am trying to make my own decals with no previous knowledge in graphic design or the use of drawing tools, so it was very interesting for me to read.
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Dear me, David. That is an amazing tutorial on decal design! Thanks for taking your time, not only to do this but especially for presenting it to us!
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Top level nerdery, right up my street! And a fascinating insight into designing decals.
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Dutch, this is a wonderful work and a true labour of love. Where exactly will these decals be placed on the model?
(Btw I know those dots over the vowels look so German — Motörhead proved it —, but it is „Hier unterstützen“, not „ünterstützen“)
Best regards
Andreas
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Dear me, David. That is an amazing tutorial on decal design! Thanks for taking your time, not only to do this but especially for presenting it to us!
He took the words right out of my mouth! My goodness, I admire the time and effort expended on getting this "simple" detail correct. Wow!
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Thank you, Zac, as my Dad used to say, “Anything worth doing is worth doing right”.
PrzemoL my friend, thank you for taking time to plow through it all!
Henning, I remember your post about the slot car decals, and they looked pretty good to me… you must be a quick learner!
Nigel, “nerdery” sums it up pretty nicely ;D
And Andreas, wie beschämend! I had an ex-girlfriend who was a German teacher, if she’d seen that mistake I’d be in the doghouse for sure… to tell the truth I got lazy, since once again I couldn’t find any photos clearly showing the original stenciling I used the Wingnut decal sheet for reference:
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjNST0MP/temp-Imagehcw-Lpm.avif)
Thank you for the correction. And RE: Motörhead and cömpletely ärbiträry umlauts, let’s not forget my favorite, Blue Öyster Cult…
Dutch
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Corrected stenciling, thanks to Andreas:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RZWcdbG2/temp-Image5yr-AKp.avif)
I also changed my mind about the orientation of the little red and blue warning flags after studying more of Jamo’s photos; in order to read them from the front of the aircraft you’d have to be nine feet tall.
Dutch
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wie beschämend![/i] I had an ex-girlfriend who was a German teacher, if she’d seen that mistake I’d be in the doghouse for sure… to tell the truth I got lazy, since once again I couldn’t find any photos clearly showing the original stenciling I used the Wingnut decal sheet for reference:
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjNST0MP/temp-Imagehcw-Lpm.avif)
Thank you for the correction. And RE: Motörhead and cömpletely ärbiträry umlauts, let’s not forget my favorite, Blue Öyster Cult…
Dutch
;D ;D ;D there’s even a Wikipedia entry about „röck döts“.
Please excuse me behaving like a smart-arse, but you did these decals so carefully, I was sure you wanted it right.
I personally will never get all these English tenses….
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Please, Andreas, one of the things that I love most about this forum is the fact that people help out with corrections when you go in a wrong direction; also nochmal, vielen Dank!
Dutch
(And I agree, although English is a Germanic language the tenses are all mixed up. I used to study Anglo-Saxon, and the tenses there were much closer to modern German)
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Love the direction this build is going - its going to be fun! Thanks for taking the time to share the process :)
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Please, Andreas, one of the things that I love most about this forum is the fact that people help out with corrections when you go in a wrong direction; also nochmal, vielen Dank!
Dutch
(And I agree, although English is a Germanic language the tenses are all mixed up. I used to study Anglo-Saxon, and the tenses there were much closer to modern German)
You guys should try studying some Latin-based languages. Compared with this - English tenses are a breeze.
Or even better - any Slavonic language will make you mad with not only coniugation but declination, too. How about 7 cases of noun declination? All in three types (M, F, N) ;D
But back to the point - I do admire David's devotion to such a small (seemingly) detail. This model will be a marvel, no doubt about it.
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This may not seem like a tremendously exciting picture, but it's been a long road getting to the point where I could button the fuselage up on my little E.I:
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTWn3b1Z/IMG-0962.jpg)
I actually started it back in November, but there have been entire weeks when no progress has been made on the model (although lots on the research and decal portions of the project). The cockpit consumed untold hours, and could have consumed half again as many more:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxwMG9MC/IMG-0968.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YqKpdcDL/IMG-0967.jpg)
There are a couple of mistakes and omissions that I could fix, but aside from replacing the sight-glass that seems to have fallen off the pulsometer (which I just noticed) I think I'll just note them down for the next kit and move on. One thing I was really looking forward to was rebuilding and adding grunge to the underside of the cockpit floor... I cut out the molded-in opening on the bottom of the fuselage, which was completely inaccurate, and, using a photo in the Aeronaut Eindecker volume and Jamo's photos of the NZ E.III replica, scratchbuilt a new false bottom for the kit piece out of plastic card with cutouts for the "trap doors":
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3wmmsXm/IMG-4880.jpg)
I also added the leather straps you'd use to lift them with on the topside, which are just visible in the second photo in this post... another fun detail. A friend in Poland supplied me with a set of HGW belts (dziękuję Prze!), but I decided to anneal and use the kit PE parts for this build, and save the fabric set for the E.IV, which may be up next.
Onward and upward,
Dutch
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It does look spectacular.
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Closing the fuselage is a big step, and should always be celebrated! Fantastic details throughout. Could you perhaps say something about how the fuel tank was painted, it looks great!?
/Fredrik
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Just love how well you manage to get some variation in all colors. Just little details that make it look very realistic :)
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Very, very nice Dave. I'm definitely taking notes for my next Fokker Eindecker build.
Regards,
Gary (also a Blue Oyster Cult fan ;))
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Simply beautiful work Dutch, that cockpit is gorgeous!!
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Lovely attention to detail, we know it's worth all the effort.
The cockpit consumed untold hours, and could have consumed half again as many more
Schrodinger has you firmly in his grip........ ;D
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Thank you all for your encouragement. I've said it before, but the feedback is hugely important in providing motivation.
- PrzemoL, again, if my E.I comes out half as good as your build of Wintgens' high-wing bird I'll consider it a smashing success...
- Fredrik, the question of how I did the finish on the fuel tank has come up before, but honestly I don't remember what I did to achieve it... it was a base of Testor's Copper in the little old-fashioned square bottle, but then I most likely went over it with multiple washes of Dr. P.H. Martin's Bombay India Ink, which I probably wiped back with alcohol. I'm doing either an E.II or E.IV next, so I'll make a point to record how I go about it.
- Ben, thanks, in my "day job" I'm a landscape painter, so the variations of color you mention pretty much come as second nature. And it's one of the things I admire so about your paint work as well!
- Gary, no need to take notes on my work, just go back and read your build thread and the article on Immelmann's E.II in MAI, since they're two of my main sources of inspiration! (But thanks, that was a great confidence-booster)
- Zac, thanks a ton. And if you happen to bump into Jamo at the aerodrome next time you get back there tell him his photos of the E.III have been invaluable.
- And Nigel, that might be the reason it's been taking so long to make any progress on this kit; half the time when I go down to work on it, it's simply not there... :P
Dutch
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It's been over a month since I posted anything on this thread, but the odd nature of Projekt Eindecker dictates that the models themselves actually have to take a back seat to the decal design process... which is full of a host of built-in delays. But I thought this picture was worth posting simply because it shows four generations of production Fokker monoplane fuselages, the Wingnut E.I, E.II/III, E.IV, and the Mikro Mir E.V (which is not part of the Aviattic decal project, that's something I'm building on my own):
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xvjhj9XR/IMG-1676.jpg)
And yes, I'm aware that the E.II/III fuselage wasn't made of wood :D ...but I use whatever random sheets of material I have at hand to cut my pre-production test decals—in this case it was the dark walnut veneer. It does look pretty sexy, though, kind of makes me want to do an A-H seaplane with a mahogany hull...
Dutch
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Good to see some progress here. I'm looking forward to those Eindecker decals, the early test shots of them look very nice.
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Phew! Glad this one (!) is progressing. Those interiors are superb.
Looking forward to decal application.
Sandy
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Looking great! It's especially interesting to see all of the fuselages together. I didn't realise how long the E.IV was :o
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I almost missed this thread. Great progress so far, I will definitely follow the builds.
Cheers.
Ondra
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Very intriguing to see all the fuselages next to each other! Loving the project with decals :)
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The project seems to be progressing even if it is slowly moving forward. The fuselages together do present a unique vision as to the progress of the designs.
RAGIII
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Again, I haven't really made much progress on the E.I—the components of the airframe really need to be unattached in order to test-fit the tailored decals—but the process of creating the artwork is nearly wrapped up so hopefully I can get back to actually building soon. I thought I'd share a couple of photos of my son Curt's latest project, though; inspired by the Eindecker obsession that's gradually taken over a large part of my life since last November he started a 1:72 E.III of his own a couple of weeks ago. He'd sent me pictures, but when he brought the model down to show me his progress it was really surprising to see how small the Roden kit was next to the Wingnut version after we put them side-by-side:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nrXZXPKd/IMG-2096.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fchdMtw/IMG-2102.jpg)
I was particularly impressed with his engine, with the scratchbuilt pushrods and additional bolt detail. I'll be glad if mine comes out looking half as good...
Dutch
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A family that builds Eindeckers together stays together, or something like that..... ;) Lovely work in braille scale, and I'm keen to see your EI moving forward......
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Please could you ask your son to make a few rotaries for me? That is really impressive.
Stephen.
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Thanks, Stephen & Nigel, Curt's really putting a lot of time and effort into that build. And my younger son, Connor (also a WWI modeler) is in the planning stages of a trip to NZ for next spring, hopefully to include a pilgrimage to see the TVAL collection and the 1:1 E.III.
In any event, progress on Projekt Eindecker, though slow, is in fact being made. I got a package from Aviattic last week containing the first of the actual decal sets (E.I Early), as announced in their last newsletter (with my long-suffering test hulk at bottom):
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9TcYHmt/IMG-2251.jpg)
It was weird having the final result in my hands after spending hundreds of hours on the computer designing them, printing out templates, and then cutting and fitting the test decals. It's a painstaking process, to put it mildly; I've done graphic arts since the days when we used razor-blades, rubber cement, and photostats, but never in all that half-century have I ever spent eight months on a single project, nor had to work at tolerances of 1/128"/0.25mm... what's that they say about old dogs...?? :D
But at least now that the E.I decals are here I can proceed with my build. The motor is OOB:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RZhR5nDb/IMG-2243.jpg)
... although it's not 100% finished I'm pretty happy with it. I've also been experimenting with sworling effects, these are some of my early efforts, which I'm definitely not satisfied with, but I have a couple of ideas that I'm looking forward to trying.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xT4mmp6t/IMG-2249.jpg)
Amazingly, even though I've been concentrating on this one type (and basically one kit!) since last November, I'm still enjoying myself immensely.
All best,
Dutch
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Wow, the production line is in full swing. A very ambitious project but you are handling it magnificently!
Sandy
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At last....! ;) I'm looking forward to the EIV decals, which should be out soon.
I think those machined sworl effects look pretty good, I'd be happy with those! You have got the contrast between the underlying metal and the machined sworls looking good. I'll be keen to see how you progress further, hopefully you will save me the experimentation effort on my EIV.
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Thanks, Sandy and Nigel. And speaking of production lines...
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zby8G61/IMG-2257.jpg)
The E.IV I'm currently planning on doing as Wintgen's triple-gunned 124/15 as shown in Herris & Scott's Aeronaut Eindecker bible. Did it ever actually fight with the three Spandaus? Who knows? But it looks waay cool.
Dutch
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Nice progress on the Fokker Eindekker, Dutch!
This Fokker Eindekker-models are very tricky to build, as are all monoplanes in general.
The big challenge is the wing assembly - unfortunately you can often see it hanging slightly downwards in the construction pictures.
The Aviattic decals also make a very good visual impression.
Too bad - in my case - the slots on the fuselage decals were only designed for the lower mounting of the wings.
Perhaps it would have been better not to include the wing slot in the decals.
Is it known whether Aviattic also produces decals for the Fokker E.I with the high-mounted wing?
Well, there were only a few Fokker E.I at the front which had the high-mounted wing, but at least Kurt Wintgens with a Fokker E.I (E.5/15) made the first confirmed shoot-down by a Fokker Eindekker.
The E5/15 - as an example -, had the high-mounted wing.
Servus
Bertl
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The E.IV I'm currently planning on doing as Wintgen's triple-gunned 124/15 as shown in Herris & Scott's Aeronaut Eindecker bible.
Those three-gunned planes do look quite something, I'll be keen to see this one completed.
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Just catching up on your production line. Wow, I am amazed at the results of the swirls on the cowlings! I can't even imagine How Good the ones are going to be when you get them where you want them. The Aviattic decals look Great, as usual! Looking forward to seeing them applied.
RAGIII
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Oh nice a E.IV ! I really like that one - i find the 3 gun setup very unique. Looking forward to more updates :)
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Thank you for the comments, Bertl, Rick, Nigel, and Ben. It's been almost six weeks since I posted an update; in the interim I completed the "generic" Eindecker sets and received the finished sheets from the UK:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRLg2tck/IMG-3083.jpg)
In any graphics project there's always something of a sense of anticlimax when you see the finished product, since you've been looking at the art in minute detail for months. I've been doing graphics professionally for fifty years, but in all that time I never had to work at tolerances of 0.25mm—that's 1/128", if my math is correct?—which necessitated countless corrections and revisions. Some, but by no means all, of my proofs can be seen below (on regular printer paper, NOT decal material, I should add):
(https://i.postimg.cc/QM2T1Gcg/IMG-3087.jpg)
In any event, in between that and madly trying to prepare for a show of my landscape paintings—my "day job"—I've been able to get some work done on the E.I model, which is finally up on its (as yet unglued) undercarriage, loose rigging and all:
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxH10nNX/IMG-3092.jpg)
My attempts at reproducing the sworling on the metal panels are slowly getting better, although I'm still dialing the technique in:
(https://i.postimg.cc/7PnbKTgT/IMG-3078.jpg)
But since I'll be building at least two more E-series kits this year (Projekt Eindecker "warehouse" below) I've decided it's good enough to go with for this initial build.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jj86BFVB/IMG-3088.jpg)
Per ardua ad astra,
Dutch
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Exciting! I am starting work on my EIV next week, looking forward to it. Although if any of the decals don't quite fit, I know where to come...... ;) ;D
Your sworling looks great IMO, some of the best I have seen. I'll be starting my practice efforts soon......
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Your shelf Dutch, - Fokker workshop 1915 - 1918 in Schwerin 8)
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Guys, do you think we all need another Fokker Eindekker? or are there already more than enough?
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Hi Edgar,
I think we have enough Fokker Eindekkers, all important versions are covered by WNW or MIR. But - unfortunately I don't see any Pfalz Eindekker in 1/32 scale anywhere.
Servus
Bertl
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Thanks, Nigel, Edgar, and Bertl; Eindeckers have indeed taken over my life in the past nine months. I actually made some more progress tonight on the E.I, I've been trying to get the staining on the bottom of the cockpit area done so I can glue on the undercarriage and finish the rigging of the fuselage, and I feel I'm getting there (maybe one more pass with the Abteilung "Engine Grease" oil color, a gift from my son Curt):
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzXpkqVf/IMG-5270.jpg)
One of my references is superimposed on the left.
Anyway, Edgar, I'm not sure if the demand for a new series of Eindecker kits is there at present, but it definitely will be eventually... and if you need decals for them you'll know where to come!
Dutch
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Beautiful work, Dutch. These are going to be reference builds on completion.
And ... Edgar
... a Pfalz Eindecker would be glorious - all those black ribs and crosses on a white aeroplane. Oh my! Just saying....
Sandy
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Be bold with that staining Dutch. You've got castor oil oozing from the inside of the fabric so it will be heavily stained like in the photo. I think the rear half of the fuselage looks good, but it needs to be much darker at the front part of the fuselage.
The decals are looking great, you did a great job on those.
Guys, do you think we all need another Fokker Eindekker? or are there already more than enough?
No, we have plenty. The WNW kit is also pretty easily obtainable on eBay for reasonable prices, it doesn't attract the premium of the more popular planes.
Me, I would much rather have a Starstrutter........ ;)
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Hi Dutch,
Missed this, just stumbled over this. I haven't had much time to follow all the wonderful build logs, but I must say you are doing a great job!
And your "obsession" for Eindeckers saves you a lot of (complicated) rigging too. Compared to bi- and triplanes that is.
With your fabulous research you must have heard of this replica build, but I thought I'd share it anyway.
Cheers,
Willem
https://tuubman.nl/2020/03/11/fokker-eindecker-iii-replica-schaal-11/
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Everything is looking great Dutch! I love the swirls and the weathering is coming along quite nicely!
RAGIII
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Thank you, Rick!
Willem, I had NOT seen that, thanks for the link!
Nigel, yes, the "one more pass" I mentioned still needs to get done, I'm just trying to figure out what color to do it with... I think the Abteilung "Engine Grease" needs a touch of black to darken it to the proper grimy shade...
Sandy, thanks, and while the Pfalz Eindecker was apparently a bit of a clunker compared to the Fokker product, it'd still be neat to see it in 1:32.
And Bertl, is the correct German spelling Eindecker or Eindekker? I've seen it spelled both ways.
It's particularly interesting to see backlit photos of the Pfalz and Fokkers side by side, they show pretty conclusively that the former was covered with a very light, whitish CDL, while the Fokker fabric was completely opaque, either painted or doped with the "straw", beige, or yellow color mentioned in British and French combat reports.
Dutch
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Hi Dutch,
Eindecker is the correct German spelling.
The translation program often changes the “ck” to “kk”.
Depending on the translation program, the word “Eindecker” becomes monoplane or Eindekker.
Eindekker (with double k) is more of a Dutch spelling.
Servus
Bertl
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Eindekker (with double k) is more of a Dutch spelling.
I'm not a nitpicker, but in Dutch it would be Eendekker
;)
Willem
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Vielen dank en heel erg bedankt!
Dutch
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Eindekker (with double k) is more of a Dutch spelling.
I'm not a nitpicker, but in Dutch it would be Eendekker
;)
Willem
........ with four “E” and double “K” ...... but only one wing ;)
Servus
Bertl
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Thank you Willem and Bertl, I just love languages. If instead of trying to learn every language I've ever been exposed to I'd just studied one I'd probably be fluent, rather than simply knowing how to say "Hello/Goodbye", Please", "Thank you", "Beer", and "Where's the bathroom/WC?" in a dozen.
Anyway, I managed to spend a good part of the day working on the E.I, which gets grungier and grungier as we go along (weathering over the mixed yellow/Feldgrau prototype Aviattic E.I set):
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QDhxxBp/IMG-3131.jpg)
There's still a great deal left to do, especially on the fuselage sides and towards the rear on the bottom, but the technique I'm evolving requires building up the effect slowly, with multiple transparent layers.
Unfortunately I realized tonight that WNW may have made a couple of errors in their decals; the werkenummer, according to the Aeronaut Eindecker "Bible", should be 263, not 262 as the kit decals have it. Also, the "E13/15" may be oversize, and in the wrong location. But it's too late to correct either particular at this point in the game. I've been working on this build since January, and I really want to button it up and move on to Wintgen's triple-gunned monster (see pieces of which scattered around my workbench).
Dutch
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Now that's looking really good. I am not in favour of over-weathering WWI aircraft, but the Eindecker is one of those where it's hard not to go too far!
Looks like there may be an EIV race going on soon....... ;)
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Amazing progress Dutch! I really love how the staining turned out! It will definitely be saved for a future build for me ;)
Also the swirls look perfekt! I guess you hand painted all those? Must have taken quite a while to get done! Hov did you manage to get the consistency of the paint just right? I would imagine it slowly drying on the palette causing some issues.
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Lovely Grunge Dutch! It's a shame about the decal errors but I am sure Aviattic will fix future versions.
RAGIII
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Thanks guys, Rick, do you know something the rest of us don't...? :D Ben, I'm actually using silver calligraphy ink and a crowquill dip pen... if I get the sworls dialed in to the point where I'm happy with them I'll do a post on the technique. And absolutely, Nigel, the grunge is one of the things that drew me to the Eindecker (or Eendekker) in the first place...
Anyway, I took part of today and kept at the E.I, she's finally up on all three legs now (or ten, if you count all the struts):
(https://i.postimg.cc/gjsxxRVv/IMG-3134.jpg)
The undercarriage was festooned with a spiderweb of pre-rigging, which will get tightened and touched up after everything gets glued in place (it's just press-fit into the fuselage now, one of the joys of modeling the Wingnut way):
(https://i.postimg.cc/wM4WqMj0/IMG-3145.jpg)
And finally, there are many joys associated with having children, but one of the coolest, I'm finding, is when they rediscover WWI aircraft modeling thirty years on and start giving you awesome stuff:
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6qCFh5h/IMG-3143.jpg)
The Xuron photo-etch shears were a random gift from my son Curt, who's finishing up his own 1:72 E.III tonight. Eindecker madness (Eindecker Wahnsinn?) is contagious, it seems. Or as Nigel observed, the family who builds Fokkers together, stays together...
Dutch
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Thanks for the answer Dutch - it's a very interesting approach and the results look great!
The Fokker is turning out just lovely! The grimy look is just something you dont see many people try and you are definitely setting the bar high ;)
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The EI is looking lovely, and the EIV in the background also looks very nice! You've definitely got my Eindecker juices flowing (work starts later today on mine...).
Interesting approach with the calligraphy ink and pen, I'm looking forward to seeing how you do that. I have various silver marker pens lined up to try out when I come to do trhe sworling.
Have you done anything to counteract potential wing droop? Or will you use the rigging to prevent that?
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The shears look like they work a Treat! Your Eindeckers are gorgeous as I have said before. Finally, No, I have No inside info from Aviattic. I just don't recall Richard ever leaving something alone if Proven to be incorrect 8)
RAGIII
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Dutch,
I am really enjoying this log, and learning a lot! Your detail work is impressive and the overall finish is, in a word, spectacular. Keep up the great work and enjoy it right to the finish line!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks, everyone!
Rick, apologies, I misread your post and thought you'd written that Wingnut was going to fix the errors in future editions... now that would have been news! The mistakes that I was referring to were in the original WnW decals, not the new Aviattic sets, which (for now, at least) are "generic" fabric, with no markings at all. And if any errors crept past Richard's eagle eye I'd be really surprised... the guy's really good at spotting slip-ups. Trust me on that :D
Ben, thank you, and as I told Nigel, the heavily weathered finish is one of the things I've been looking forward to trying my hand at the most in the modeling part of this project. Work on the sworling continues, and I'm getting happier with it.
Nigel, thanks, and I haven't taken any specific anti-drooping measures, but I will say that after spending nine months now staring at thousands of pictures of Eindeckers, it's apparent that some E-types actually did exhibit a certain amount of wing droop, as can be seen in this photo from Peter Grosz's collection:
(https://i.postimg.cc/yxT9VT9m/IMG-5339.jpg)
... there are a number of other pictures in the Aeronaut Eindecker Vol. II book that show similar deflection. Might it have just been a matter of how the a/c was rigged on any given day... ? Not sure, but I'm going to play it safe and try to get mine as level as possible. I'll probably use PrzemoL's trick of shimming the wing tabs inside the rear "fuel tank" assembly on my E.IV.
And Lance, thank you as well, that means a lot coming from someone whose work I admire as much as I do yours!
All best,
Dutch
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Nigel, thanks, and I haven't taken any specific anti-drooping measures, but I will say that after spending nine months now staring at thousands of pictures of Eindeckers, it's apparent that some E-types actually did exhibit a certain amount of wing droop, as can be seen in this photo from Peter Grosz's collection:
Funny you should say that, I bought the Aeronaut Eindecker book and noticed the droop on that very same picture. And a few others. So a couple of days ago I got my ruler out and went through many of the photos to see if I could justify "droopy" wings. Unfortunately I found that while some had a droop, most were dead straight. So I was planning on the shimming approach to try to minimize droop, and maybe use monofilament for the rigging rather than Modelkasten elastic thread. Like you say, it probably depended on how the planes were rigged at that point in time.
Great minds eh? ;D
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Interesting to see the photos showing wing droop 8)
Given the flexibility of the wings and a certain amount of stretch in wires I'm not too surprised to see 'in service' aircraft looking different from factory fresh even before you add the variables of rigging set up. ;)
For those interested a trick that was often used by scale free flight modellers was to add a tiny smidge of dihedral when rigging the wings (barely perceptible, but still there) Apparently this is less obvious to the eye than even the tiniest amount of anhedral without a straight edge alongside as a guide.
Really must dig out that EIV kit to have another go at one
Paul
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It is so interesting to read about the drop of Eindecker wings...
I think that the rigging was meant to hold the wings of Eindeckers without any anhedral. If there is some visible in the photos it might be that a mechanician did not take care of it for some time or that there is some apparnet deformation due to the limitations of the photo camera optics.
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Thanks all. A bit more grime added (still a ways to go), and the cowl, rudder, and prop press-fit on so it would look a bit more presentable:
(https://i.postimg.cc/9FQBLJxt/IMG-3225.jpg)
And in one of life's more random moments, my son Curt's significant other spent the day at a county fair about fifty miles away on Friday and sent us this photo:
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzK63BVt/Attachment.jpg)
You have to love a girl that knows an Eindecker when she stumbles across one!
Dutch
PS - And oh yeah, the county fair was in Rhinebeck, NY, home of the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome :-)
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Looking good there Dutch, keep going with that weathering......
You have to love a girl that knows an Eindecker when she stumbles across one!
She's definitely a keeper as she appears to have managed to steal the cowling....... ;)
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Great progress on your Eindecker.
And congratulations on that to-be daughter-in-law ;) She IS a treasure for sure :)
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Great progress Dutch, where would someone find a county fair with an EIII? Rhinebeck?
I'm thinking of something easy for my next build with no hacking or surgery required.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/jj307/Allanscott31/thumbnail_-_2024-08-28T194048.832.jpeg) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/jj307/Allanscott31/thumbnail_-_2024-08-28T194048.832.jpeg)
Check your PM's Dutch.
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Lovely Eindecker and Young lady!
RAGIII
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Fantastic work on the fuselage shading. Congrats to the Fokker-spotter too!
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Just catching up now on your build(s) here - wow. Great work indeed. I've just cracked open my WnW E.1 and enjoying the experience of building a WW1 aircraft again (it's been a while).
Cheers,
Gary