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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Mike Norris (UK) on August 16, 2023, 01:17:14 AM
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Hi all,
I'm still waiting for a couple of things to arrive for the Hansa-Brandenburg W.12 model.
Therefore I'm making a start on another model, this time the Bristol F.2b 'Biff' or 'Brisfit' as it was commonly called.
This model will represents represents Bristol F.2b, Serial No. A-7194 of No.111 Squadron RFC, Deir-el-Belah, Palestine during 1917.
This particular Bristol F.2b, Serial No. A-7194 (along with 7190 and 7198) was delivered on the 25th of August to No.111 Squadron (RFC).
No.111 Squadron (RFC) was formed on the 1st of August 1917 at Deir-el-Belah, Palestine and was commanded by Major Shekleton.
The Squadron was formed from aircraft of No.14 and often escorted No.1 Squadron (AFC) on their missions.
During it time with No.111 Squadron (RFC), A-7149 was noted as having engaged the enemy on at least two occasions:
8th of October 1917 - 2nd Lt. R.C Steele (Canada) and Lt. John J Lloyd-Williams drove down the Albatros D.II, Serial No.636/14 of Oblt. Dittmar of Fab300.
This was the first German aircraft captured in Egypt. Pilot Steel was awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO).
15th of October 1917 - 2nd Lt. R.C Steele (Canada) and Lt. John J Lloyd-Williams destroyed an Albatross D.III.
Initially the enemy pilot indicated he was surrendering, but then tried to make for his lines and had his wing shot off.
The squadron was always intended to be a single seat fighter unit.
In January 1918 the squadron handed over its Bristol F.2b aircraft to No.1 Squadron (AFC) after being equipped with the SE5a fighters.
No.1 Squadron (AFC) operated with No.111 Squadron (RFC) and later No.142 Squadron (RFC) as part of the 40th (Army) Wing (RFC).
The wing formed part of the Palestine Brigade (RFC), the other part of the Brigade was formed by 5th (Corps) Wing (RFC), comprised of No.14 and No.113 Squadrons (RFC).
Bristol F.2b, Serial No. A-7194 was transferred from No.111 Squadron (RFC) via Kantara to No.1 Squadron (AFC) on the 11th of January 1918.
During its time with No.1 Squadron (AFC) it flew regular missions with different crews through February and March, before crashing on take-off on March the 28th.
NOTE: The change in the aircraft colour scheme and style of the serial number when serving with No.1 Squadron (AFC).
Mike
No.111 Squadron (RFC) in 1917.
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No.1 Squadron (AFC) in 1918.
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Yet again one to look forward to!
RAGIII
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Looking forward to following this one, that's some paint job... a PC.10/white splinter scheme. And at least the base shouldn't be hard, a handful of beach sand and you're done :-D
I was out of modeling for some years, I assume this is a WnW Brisfit?
Dave V.
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Looking forward to following this one, that's some paint job... a PC.10/white splinter scheme. And at least the base shouldn't be hard, a handful of beach sand and you're done :-D
I was out of modeling for some years, I assume this is a WnW Brisfit?
Dave V.
Hi Dave,
Yes the 'Wingnut Wings' (early F.2b) kit,
Mike
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Another one to anticipate! One of my favorite aircraft.
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The pictures give me the impression the plane was very well maintained, at least when the photos were taken.
Looking forward to seeing this one.
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Mike,
It will be a pleasure to watch your efforts on this one, and such a unique scheme as well. I still regard this Kit as the best of the Wingnut Wings line, I'll be very keen to follow your comments on it as the project progresses, and it's a very enjoyable Build in my experience. Enjoy!
Cheers,
Lance
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There's no stopping you Mike! Will follow with interest.
The pictures give me the impression the plane was very well maintained, at least when the photos were taken.
This is a great example of why IMO you should always work from photos (if available) when building WWI aircraft. Sure, some were pretty heavily weathered but a lot weren't. This Brisfit looks pretty clean, even though it is in Palestine.
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Looking forward to watching this build!
Dave
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I'm really looking forward to this one Mike. The mighty Biff is another of my favourites.
Richie
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I actually just picked this kit up along with the post-war Ninak, so I'll be following this with greater interest than usual. I was never a big Brisfit fan, but this log (plus the availability of the kit) served as a pretty powerful incentive to grab it.
All best,
Dutch
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Hi all,
Here's the basic Rolls Royce 'Falcon' V12 in-line engine.
It still needs additions, such as ignition leads, controls and pipes and weathering,
Mike
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Gorgeous Engine Mike!
RAGIII
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looks great with all the different color metals!
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Very nice start, looking forward to seeing what you add to this.
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Great looking engine Mike. Really looking forward to this build.
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I love the engine alraedy, Mike! One of your lovely detailed builds to follow with rapt attention! A fascinating subject too... Model on! Regards, Marc.
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Oh wow Mike, that looks stunning! I'm very excited to see the completed engine!
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Hi all,
The basic Rolls-Royce 'Falcon' V12 engine is complete.
There are other parts that can only be fitted once the engine has been installed in the fuselage.
I've added representations of carburetor/magneto controls and fuel supply/drain pipes.
Although the rear of the engine will hardly be visible once installed.
I've also added oil pipes, spark plugs and ignition leads.
All with a combination of:
0.2 and 0.3 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube (controls, spark plugs)
0.3 and 0.5 mm diameter Brass tube (fuel supply/drain pipes)
0.4 mm diameter flexible tube (black) (oil pipes)
Steel coloured silk thread (ignition leads).
Weathered with oil paint and enamel wash.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/engdone1.jpg)
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Lovely work Mike, I really like all the wiring and additions. Are you leaving some panels off? I would hate all of this to be lost to sight forever....... ;)
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Lovely work Mike, I really like all the wiring and additions. Are you leaving some panels off? I would hate all of this to be lost to sight forever....... ;)
Hi Nigel,
Yes, but I think just the upper right panel with mechanic doing maintenance.
I wanted to have the aircraft as complete as possible with just some of the engine visible.
Also finding clear period photographs showing how exactly all of the controls and pipework were routed is difficult.
Most show the later Falcon III engine, which was different, as were the engine panels,
Mike
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Fabulous research and build as usual Mike.
Every engine you do is a masterclass for me!
Cheers,
Willem
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Hi all,
The cockpit is nearly completed.
The pilots seat is a replacement from 'Gaspatch'.
I've added the control cables for the ailerons, rudder and tail plane incidence control.
The elevator cables are external, so not in the cockpit as such.
Also I've added the trigger cable on the control column for the pilots Vickers machine gun.
Finally I added control rods from the pilots throttle quadrant and the radiator shutters control.
Weather was done using 'Flory Models' wash (Grime).
The cockpit assembly is now fitted into the closed up fuselage.
However I do have a problem to solve.
I got distracted, so unfortunately, I fitted the cockpit into the fuselage without any bracing wires fitted.
I now have to try and fit them all through the cockpit opening in the fuselage.
It happens,
Mike
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Beautiful job on the engine and interior Mike - it looks like you could sit in that cockpit and start her up!
I love the choice of markings too; 111SQN handed these aircraft over to 1SQN Australian Flying Corps, so it's a subject that tingles my Aussie heart!
Cheers,
BC
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That interior looks fantastic Mike. I’m wondering what material the observer’s floor is? I haven’t noticed it before, is it wicker?
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That interior looks fantastic Mike. I’m wondering what material the observer’s floor is? I haven’t noticed it before, is it wicker?
Hi Tim,
I think it represents a coarse fibre type mat,
Mike
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Many thanks Mike. I’ll have to remember that for my future builds.
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Hi all,
I've added the cockpit bracing wires.
These are 0.2 mm diameter Nickel-Silver rod.
Each was cut to the required length then secured in position using CA adhesive,
Mike
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Hi all,
Photographs of this particular aircraft show what seems to be an ‘in-field’ modification to the two upper access panels over the engine
The blister on each panel was needed to clear the panel from the engine upper coolant pipes.
On this aircraft the blisters were cut away in order to provide an opening for, I assume, additional engine cooling, as the aircraft operated in the warmer climate of Palestine.
Also the upper right access panel will be displayed open and therefore the two upper panels need to be modified accordingly.
It's not clear if all of the aircraft in this squadron had the in-field modification carried out on the two upper access panels over the engine.
Mike
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Lovely work on the interior Mike, it looks really realistic.
Photographs of this particular aircraft show what seems to be an ‘in-field’ modification to the two upper access panels over the engine
You never choose the easy builds do you..... ;) :D
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Hi all,
The basic modification to the engine access panels, although not yet finished.
The upper access panels have had their blisters removed.
Also, the panel locating tabs were removed and their locating recesses filled.
These panels were secured together with an added 0.5 mm diameter Brass rod to represent the centre hinge.
The three lower panels have had their air intake scoops reduced in thickness to look more in-scale.
Mike
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Masterful work Mike. A pleasure to watch!
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Lovely stuff!
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Gorgeous work on your Biff! The interior is fantastic, so is the Falcon.
I only regret I found this thread so late, as I could give you some hints how to enhance/correct a few bits in the engine - e.g. the rear carb assembly should be placed behind (looking from the front) the cam shafts which requires lengthening the horizontal sections of rear intake manifolds. If I remember correctly, James Fahey made a great photo walk-about of Falcon in TVAL Biff.
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Gorgeous work on your Biff! The interior is fantastic, so is the Falcon.
I only regret I found this thread so late, as I could give you some hints how to enhance/correct a few bits in the engine - e.g. the rear carb assembly should be placed behind (looking from the front) the cam shafts which requires lengthening the horizontal sections of rear intake manifolds. If I remember correctly, James Fahey made a great photo walk-about of Falcon in TVAL Biff.
Hi PrzemoL,
Yes, agreed as can be seen on the following photograph by James.
However, to modify this to the rear of the engine would have meant moving the whole carburetor assembly rearwards.
That would also including lengthening induction pipes to the cylinder manifolds.
Also the problem of keeping the assembly clear of the two magneto drive shafts angled down from the rear of the two camshafts.
A lot of work in an area of the engine that is mostly hidden from view when fitted.
The only obvious difference would have been the lengthened induction pipes you mentioned.
Of course this only becomes an issue if the engine is exposed.
If it's fully enclosed under the access panels, its no longer a problem ;)
Mike
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Agreed, Mike! ;)
I was speaking from the point of view of the variant with the fully exposed engine.
Anyway, I admire your work, as always :)
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Agreed, Mike! ;)
I was speaking from the point of view of the variant with the fully exposed engine.
Anyway, I admire your work, as always :)
Hi Przemol,
I appreciate that.
It's always good to know modelers, like yourself, are there with good and constructive advice ;)
Mike
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Mike,
I was trolling around YouTube and found this:
https://youtu.be/dwrIf_5gEEM?si=FNYCPNnEqDz_ytPe
It has footage of #7149 near the beginning of the clip. Maybe you will find it useful if you haven’t watched this already.
Tim
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Mike,
I was trolling around YouTube and found this:
https://youtu.be/dwrIf_5gEEM?si=FNYCPNnEqDz_ytPe
It has footage of #7149 near the beginning of the clip. Maybe you will find it useful if you haven’t watched this already.
Tim
Hi Tim,
Thanks.
I had seen that film.
Debatable if A7194 when filmed, was operating with No.1 Squadron AFC in 1918 or No.111 Squadron RFC in 1917.
Interesting that when filmed it had a small propeller spinner fitted.
Mike
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Hi all,
The basic decal and fuselage painting are done.
I used ‘Aviattic’ Bleached Clear Doped Linen (ATT32044) for the undersides.
The Off White Linen (ATT32241) for top surfaces and the rest PC10 Medium Linen (ATT32090).
All applied on a gloss white base coat.
The painted forward fuselage and panels were airbrushed with 'Hataka' lacquer paint and mixed to match the PC10 decal colour.
'Hataka’ black top paint Vert Fonce (C124) with Medium Green (CO19) to a ration of 50/50 and thinned with approximately 35% ‘Mr. Colour’ self levelling thinner 400.
The white serial number was created using cut masks from de-tacked 'Tamiya' masking sheet.
Still a bit more to do for weathering and detail painting before construction continues,
Mike
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The cockpit is exquisite!! The seats and belts literally made me gasp, they look so fantastic.
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That's looking really good Mike. This will be a stunner when it's done.
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Do you make your masks with a silhoutte (or similar) cutter or by hand? they look great!
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Do you make your masks with a silhoutte (or similar) cutter or by hand? they look great!
Hi Dave,
I cut masks when I need them using a Cricut Explore Air 2.
It's a similar crafter's cutter to the Silhouette.
It's not so good for very small masks, but OK otherwise.
Mike
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Hi all,
Just the basic figures assembled for the model.
‘Kellerkind’ RFC mechanic middle East (54/107),
‘Copper State Models’ Aussie Digger (F32-052),
‘Master Box’ Camel and rider from box set (MB3564).
I used a 'Pyrogravure' (essentially a very small soldering iron) to heat and form the fur on the camels and texture for the saddle blankets and tassels.
Mike
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That's a nice set of figfures to complement the build.
I used a 'Pyrogravure' (essentially a very small soldering iron) to heat and form the fur on the camels and texture for the saddle blankets and tassels.
I still have my Pyrogravure that I bought from Historex Agents in about 1973........
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Very nice work all around, Mike. And a good collection of figures. The camel detailing looks very good.
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Mike,
Those figures are going to add so much to the build. Really impressive and delicate work on them. Looking forward to seeing the finished result!
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Hi all,
Here's the basic fuselage.
The linen effect decals were airbrushed with a tint of 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311) with a few drops of 'Tamiya' Desert Yellow (XF59).
Additional weathering was applied using 'Flory Models' Sand and Dark Dirt clay wash.
Also 'AK Interactive' Kerosene (AK2039) and Oil (AK2019) washes around filler caps etc.
The engine upper access panels are temporarily located for the photographs,
Mike
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That's looking really nice Mike, very well done.
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Hi all,
Here's the basic fuselage, wings etc weathered.
I wanted to keep the weathering subtle, given this aircraft was operating in Palestine, not the Western Front.
The linen effect decals were airbrushed with a tint of 'Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC311) with a few drops of 'Tamiya' Desert Yellow (XF59).
I've used 'AK Interactive' weather pencils Sand (10009) and Smoke (10003) to very lightly highlight around the fuselage stitching and along rib tapes.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/weathering5.jpg)
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I really like the weathering Mike, it's seems just right for that theatre!
I am concerned about the fabric - it looks like muslin or sacking cloth, was there some kind of reaction between the decals and a setting solution or varnish?
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I really like the weathering Mike, it's seems just right for that theatre!
I am concerned about the fabric - it looks like muslin or sacking cloth, was there some kind of reaction between the decals and a setting solution or varnish?
Hi Zac,
Yeah - naff photograph.
I've replaced it now,
Mike
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Very nice looking weathering Mike, subtle but effective.
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Hi all,
The propeller and observers Lewis machine guns.
The 'Proper Plane' propeller has 'Tamiya' Buff (XF55) linen wrapping at the blade tips.
'Tamiya' Weather Master Set A (Sand) was sponged lightly along the curved leading edges of the blades (to represent sand erosion).
The lift cords for the twin Lewis machine gun mount were made from silk thread,
Mike
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The propeller looks gorgeous, lovely job Mike! Very sharp.
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Hi all,
A couple of additions to the model.
The filler on the top of the fuselage, forward from the pilots cockpit, had a copper pipe fitted in the neck of the filler.
That pipe was routed towards and down through the fuselage and into the cockpit.
Holes of 0.4 mm diameter were drilled into the filler neck and through the fuselage.
Annealed copper wire of 0.28 mm diameter was bent to shape and secured in the holes with thin CA adhesive.
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The radiator shutters were controlled by the pilot, using a lever inside the cockpit, routed through the side of the fuselage to a bell-crank.
This was connected to the operating bell-crank located on the right side of the radiator cowl.
The two levers were connected by two crossed cables.
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Mike
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Lovely detail work Mike, looking really good.
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Really nice attention to detail Mike.
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Fantastic details...
The last photos reminded me ofa discussion I had here when building my Biff about the radiator shutter mechanism. It is true that it is present in the TVAL replica. But I have not seen a single photo from the WW1 period showing that mechanism. Have you found anything which might confirm its existence, Mike?
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I’ve seen a few post war photos from 1920’s and 1930’s that clearly show this mechanism (e.g. Windsock datafile special vol2 page 15) but like PrzemoL nothing from the WW1 period.
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The paint and weathering look awesome!
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It is true that it is present in the TVAL replica.
I'm not sure which aircraft you're referring to but this one is a restored original:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52857973425_deaa16acd5_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2owSVXp)DSC_2115 (https://flic.kr/p/2owSVXp) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
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Hi all,
I agree that wartime photographs etc of the Bristol F.2b showing the radiator shutter control are virtually non-existent.
I believe the Vintage Aviation Ltd aircraft could be a post-war built machine.
The Shuttleworth Collection’s Bristol F.2b, serial No: D8096 was built during the war in 1918, although it did not see war time service.
This aircraft has the shutter control fitted, although again, could have been retro-fitted.
The only reference I found (Windsock Data File No.4 by J.M.Bruce) states that the early production aircraft, among other differences, did not have shutter controls.
However, later 1917 built F.2b aircraft did have radiator shutters and so presumably, must have had some form of shutter controls.
If so, it would seem the were possibly internal and so not visible.
As with most WW1 aircraft subject matter, it's not easy to determine for sure what type of controls were fitted and when.
In the event, I chose to add these controls more as a point of interest rather than as historical fact,
Mike
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Since I'll be building the WnW Brisfit too one of these days I spent some time last night going through my references, and am wondering if this photo shows the shutter controls?
(https://i.postimg.cc/T3zhVLz4/11-B2396-B-4-B15-4157-9-F08-7245-ECE98-B19.jpg)
It's from Vol I of the Datafile Special, on pg 20, photo 33, showing A7198 from No 1 Sqdn, AFC, sporting its white/PC.10 asymmetric camo scheme. Hardly conclusive evidence of the rig's existence during the war—in fact it looks like a lot of the pictures in Tim Dinsdale's books about the Loch Ness Monster I read as a kid—but it's certainly food for thought.
Dutch
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I agree with Mike, in the absence of any conclusive proof, it adds a point of interest, so why not add it. I have a post war WNW Brisfit to build, so will definitely add it.
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Hi Dutch,
Yes - there are not many good and clear photographs of wartime aircraft.
Most are grainy and making out finer details is virtually impossible.
The only clear photographs are those of museum, reproduction or replica aircraft.
Sadly, many of those may not be totally authentic, so can't be relied upon.
At the end of the day it's a model and only a representation of the actual aircraft,
Mike
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Hi all,
I've rigged the following flight controls cables and bracing wires:
Twin rudder cables, twin elevator control cables, single tail plane adjuster cables, upper fin bracing wires and tail plane bracing wires.
Materials used were:
‘GasPatch’ Elite Accessories metal turnbuckles Type C (1:48th scale).
'‘Stroft GTM’ Mono-Filament 0.08 mm diameter line.
'MFH’ 0.4 mm diameter Clear tube (P-957).
Now it's onto more construction work,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/rigging5.jpg)
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Wow, that's amazing rigging work. Are you using the MFH tube instead of metal tubing to secure the rigging wires (ie where you feed the rigging line back on itself through the tube)?
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Wow, that's amazing rigging work. Are you using the MFH tube instead of metal tubing to secure the rigging wires (ie where you feed the rigging line back on itself through the tube)?
Hi Nigel,
Yes, exactly that.
I thought I'd try it out instead of using metal tubing.
Mike
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Impressive rigging Mike. I’m eagerly anticipating the finish with the figures.
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Hi all,
I've rigged the crossed bracing wires for the landing gear and between the wing and fuselage.
Materials used were:
‘Steelon ’ mono-filament of 0.12 mm diameter line.
'Model Factory Hiro’ 0.4 mm diameter Clear tube (P-957).
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/rigging10.jpg)
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"Vow!" as my Ukrainian girlfriend used to say, that's impressive work. Are you going to paint the Hiro tubing or leave it clear? It hardly looks as if it needs color, given that it should blend right in at 0X magnification.
Dutch
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Hi Nigel,
Yes, exactly that.
I thought I'd try it out instead of using metal tubing.
IMO it looks better than metal tubing. I find that can look too obvious and detracts from the effect of the rigging (considering there was no such tubing on the real thing in most cases). I think I will have to get some to give it a try......
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Hi all,
I've added the fuel tank pressure pipe from the 'Rotherham' wind driven pump.
The pipe is 0.275 mm diameter Copper wire (annealed),
Mike
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Hi Dutch and Nigel,
I'll be leaving the tubes unpainted.
As Nigel says, the tubing can sometimes detract from the rigging as there were none on turnbuckles or streamlined wires.
That said this is just a test to see how the final model will look,
Mike
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Mike,
Congratulations on your IPMS Best of show award! That Crocodile is simply amazing!
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Great progress, Mike - as always!
As for the shutter control mechanism, I intended no criticism, just the curiosity, what others think about its presence or absence...
I will have to look at the photo Davos indicated in my paper version of the Windsock. The copy showing in my screen here is too unclear for my eyesight. It would be a nice discovery if that Aussie Biff indeed had the controls.
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Mike,
Congratulations on your IPMS Best of show award! That Crocodile is simply amazing!
Hi Tim,
Thanks, but a different Mike Norris ;).
I think you refer to the 'Crocodile' tank model,
Mike
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Great progress, Mike - as always!
As for the shutter control mechanism, I intended no criticism, just the curiosity, what others think about its presence or absence...
I will have to look at the photo Davos indicated in my paper version of the Windsock. The copy showing in my screen here is too unclear for my eyesight. It would be a nice discovery if that Aussie Biff indeed had the controls.
Hi PrezmoL,
I now think the aircraft did not have the shutter control fitted.
I've done a bit more research and the following photographs are of A7194, with No.1 Squadron (AFC) and No.111 Squadron (RFC).
You can see there is no radiator shutter control fitted.
So for the sake of authenticity, I won't be adding the controls to this model,
Mike
Youtube link to original film showing A7194 being rolled out with No.1 Squadron (AFC).
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+and+landing&sca_esv=573962864&ei=tVkuZbrxK62yhbIPt4mMgA4&oq=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIHd3MSBmaWxtIG9mIGFpcmNyYWZ0IHRha2luZyBvZmYgKgIIADIFECEYoAFIsHNQqBFY3FJwAHgCkAEAmAFtoAGpGKoBBDM0LjS4AQHIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIEECEYCsICBRAAGKIE4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6a27262c,vid:dwrIf_5gEEM,st:0 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+and+landing&sca_esv=573962864&ei=tVkuZbrxK62yhbIPt4mMgA4&oq=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIHd3MSBmaWxtIG9mIGFpcmNyYWZ0IHRha2luZyBvZmYgKgIIADIFECEYoAFIsHNQqBFY3FJwAHgCkAEAmAFtoAGpGKoBBDM0LjS4AQHIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIEECEYCsICBRAAGKIE4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6a27262c,vid:dwrIf_5gEEM,st:0)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/A7194m.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/A7194-9.jpg)
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Excellent, if somewhat frustrating, research Mike. Thanks for the link to the film, very useful info.
A quick question - where did you get the MFH tubing? From MFH in Japan?
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Hi Nigel, pending Mike's answer—hopefully there's a source in the UK—I just thought I'd add that I found it here in the States at UpScale Hobbies in Indiana for $4.95 plus a dollar or so P&P. Unfortunately the were out of stock on everything but the cream-colored tubing, which will probably mean painting it or using a marker, but I'm looking forward to giving it a try anyway.
And thanks Mike for letting us know about it!
Dutch
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Great progress, Mike - as always!
As for the shutter control mechanism, I intended no criticism, just the curiosity, what others think about its presence or absence...
I will have to look at the photo Davos indicated in my paper version of the Windsock. The copy showing in my screen here is too unclear for my eyesight. It would be a nice discovery if that Aussie Biff indeed had the controls.
Hi PrezmoL,
I now think the aircraft did not have the shutter control fitted.
I've done a bit more research and the following photographs are of A7194, with No.1 Squadron (AFC) and No.111 Squadron (RFC).
You can see there is no radiator shutter control fitted.
So for the sake of authenticity, I won't be adding the controls to this model,
Mike
Youtube link to original film showing A7194 being rolled out.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+and+landing&sca_esv=573962864&ei=tVkuZbrxK62yhbIPt4mMgA4&oq=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIHd3MSBmaWxtIG9mIGFpcmNyYWZ0IHRha2luZyBvZmYgKgIIADIFECEYoAFIsHNQqBFY3FJwAHgCkAEAmAFtoAGpGKoBBDM0LjS4AQHIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIEECEYCsICBRAAGKIE4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6a27262c,vid:dwrIf_5gEEM,st:0 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+and+landing&sca_esv=573962864&ei=tVkuZbrxK62yhbIPt4mMgA4&oq=ww1+film+of+aircraft+taking+off+&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIHd3MSBmaWxtIG9mIGFpcmNyYWZ0IHRha2luZyBvZmYgKgIIADIFECEYoAFIsHNQqBFY3FJwAHgCkAEAmAFtoAGpGKoBBDM0LjS4AQHIAQD4AQHCAgQQABhHwgIEECEYCsICBRAAGKIE4gMEGAAgQYgGAZAGCA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6a27262c,vid:dwrIf_5gEEM,st:0)
It is a pity to see that the shutter control mechanism question remains indeed an enigma and that it was probably not used on WW1 aircraft. Pity, it would make for a lovely small addition to the model. But I am sure your decision on not mounting it is right and will make your model closer to reality.
Many thanks for the footage - great stuff!
And good luck with the rest of your fantastic project.
And I would also echo the question where to purchase the clear tubing as I am slowly running out of my amber polyimide one...
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Hi all,
I ordered the 'Model Factory Hiro (MFH) 0.4 mm diameter Black and Clear tubing some time ago and from 'Hiroboy' in Japan (link below).
However, it seems to be out of stock just about everywhere right now, although larger diameter tubing is available.
I've got a 'let me know when in stock' added to the 'Hiroboy' site, so I'll post here if it comes back into stock,
Mike
https://www.hiroboy.com/Coloured_Tubing_CLEAR_04mm_02mm_P957--product--3330.html (https://www.hiroboy.com/Coloured_Tubing_CLEAR_04mm_02mm_P957--product--3330.html)
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Hi all,
Construction so far.
Now it's onto the pre-rigging stage before fitting the upper wing,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/con1.jpg)
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Hi all,
I ordered the 'Model Factory Hiro (MFH) 0.4 mm diameter Black and Clear tubing some time ago and from 'Hiroboy' in Japan (link below).
However, it seems to be out of stock just about everywhere right now, although larger diameter tubing is available.
I've got a 'let me know when in stock' added to the 'Hiroboy' site, so I'll post here if it comes back into stock,
Mike
https://www.hiroboy.com/Coloured_Tubing_CLEAR_04mm_02mm_P957--product--3330.html (https://www.hiroboy.com/Coloured_Tubing_CLEAR_04mm_02mm_P957--product--3330.html)
Thank you!
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Hi Tim,
Thanks, but a different Mike Norris ;).
I think you refer to the 'Crocodile' tank model,
Mike
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Ooof! Who would think that there would be more than one extremely talented Mike Norris in this limited modeling community?
Sorry,
Tim
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Hi Tim,
Thanks, but a different Mike Norris ;).
I think you refer to the 'Crocodile' tank model,
Mike
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Ooof! Who would think that there would be more than one extremely talented Mike Norris in this limited modeling community?
Sorry,
Tim
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Hi Tim,
Not a problem ;D
I had to add 'sandbagger' to my Facebook name, as there was confusion there as well,
Mike
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This is looking really good Mike, a lovely build all round.
Thanks for the info on the tubing. I saw it was OOS at Hiroboy, but at least it's something they have carried in the past.
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Hi all,
Upper wing fitted and pre-rigged.
In total there are:
6 cabane strut bracing wires
2 drag wires
8 incidence wires
8 landing wires
16 flying wires (8 pairs).
Pre-rigged using 0.12 mm diameter mono-filament and 'Gaspatch' 1:48th scale Brutish late turnbuckles (for streamlined wires).
Now it's onto final rigging to the lower wings before adding the aileron control cables,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/con3.jpg)
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That's a lot of rigging! Looking forward to seeing this done.
My MFH tubing should be arriving soon, will be experimenting with that. Thanks for the steer.
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Hi all,
The wing rigging is complete.
Includes the:
Twin flying wires (8 pairs)
Single landing wires (8)
Interplane strut incidence wires (8)
Drag wires (2)
Cabane strut bracing wires (6)
Aileron control cables (2).
Created with 0.08 and 0.12 mm diameter mono-filament, 'Gaspatch' 1:48th scale metal turnbuckles (Type C) and resin streamlined wire end fittings.
Now onto fitting and rigging the ailerons,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/con4.jpg)
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Wow, that’s not only being late for the show, that’s like getting into the cinema when the movie‘s almost over … and it has it all, action, colors and even Camels! Nice build!
Andreas
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Looking really good Mike, superb build work as always.
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Resin streamlined wire end fittings...?
Breathtaking work, Mike, your threads are like textbooks (except waay more interesting...).
Dutch
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Hi all,
Aileron control cables added.
Materials used were:
‘Stroft GTM ’ mono-filament of 0.08 mm diameter line.
'Model Factory Hiro’ (MFH) 0.4 mm diameter Clear tube (P-957).
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/con5ail.jpg)
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Resin streamlined wire end fittings...?
Breathtaking work, Mike, your threads are like textbooks (except waay more interesting...).
Dutch
Hi Dutch,
Yes and with holes through the barrels.
I thought I'd give them a try but with using mono-filament,
Mike
https://www.gaspatchmodels.com/products/resin-turnbuckles-raf-late-type-1-48.html (https://www.gaspatchmodels.com/products/resin-turnbuckles-raf-late-type-1-48.html)
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Thanks, Mike. One tiny notch closer to reality :)
Dutch
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Hi Mike
If you also try the Prym elastic thread, which is flat, you will get a perfect result from fantastic with the thread you used.
(https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/5f4a8d465e/77164.jpg) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/77164) (https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/5f4a8d465e/77165.JPG) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/77165)
Congratulations, your work is fantastic as always.
Spyros
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Hi all,
The final bits fitted, Engine exhaust pipes, propeller and observers Lewis machine guns.
So the aircraft model is done.
Now it's onto the figures and display base,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/pipesdone.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/propon.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/gunsin.jpg)
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Hi Mike
If you also try the Prym elastic thread, which is flat, you will get a perfect result from fantastic with the thread you used.
(https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/5f4a8d465e/77164.jpg) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/77164) (https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/5f4a8d465e/77165.JPG) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/77165)
Congratulations, your work is fantastic as always.
Spyros
Hi Spyros,
Thanks for the tip.
I use mono-filament as it gives structural strength to the finished model, whereas 'EZ' or 'Prym' doesn't.
However, I might just try 'Prym' on my next British aircraft build, as I do have some,
Mike
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Wow, the end result looks fantastic, well worth all the effort. Lovely job Mike.
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Hi all,
The figures are now done.
The two mechanic figures were from 'Kellerkind' (54107) and 'Copper State Models' (F32-052).
The Camel and rider were from the 'Master Box' Commonwealth AFV Crew (S3564).
The decorations on the camels saddle cloth were created from the 'Xtradecal' White parallel stripes (XPS2) decal set.
The decorations on the camels breast strap were created from:
'Xtradecal' White parallel stripes (XPS2) decal set
Cut from scrap lozenge decal from a 'Wingnut Wings' Fokker D.VII kit.
The harness rope is copper wire painted with 'Tamiya' Dark Yellow (XF60) then dusted with dark earth pigment,,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/diggerdone1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/mechdone1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/BRISTOLF2B/cameldone.jpg)
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Amazing figure work, Mike. I can't wait to see this whole scene come together.
And your camel reminds me of my Dad's antipathy to them, acquired in North Africa in 1943 while gearing up for Operation Husky. Every time he saw one for the next sixty-nine years he'd growl about those "filthy beasts"; I never had nerve enough to inquire about the details involved :D
Dutch
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Amazing figure work, Mike. I can't wait to see this whole scene come together.
And your camel reminds me of my Dad's antipathy to them, acquired in North Africa in 1943 while gearing up for Operation Husky. Every time he saw one for the next sixty-nine years he'd growl about those "filthy beasts"; I never had nerve enough to inquire about the details involved :D
Dutch
Hi Dutch,
I've had experience of these animals.
If they're agitated they sometimes spit, which is not good if you're on the receiving end,
Mike
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Hi all,
The model is now up in the Completed Models forum.
Thanks for your support and comments throughout this build,
Mike