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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Tim Mixon on July 20, 2023, 11:17:49 PM

Title: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on July 20, 2023, 11:17:49 PM: It’s been some time since my last posts. I did complete two builds for a friend which I will add to the completed site. My Hannover builds took a lot of my Mojo away. I’m looking to build something relatively easy, construction wise. These two Edward kits should fit well and not need a ton of scratch building.

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Single sprue for the Eindecker
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I used the engine for a previous project and put this Aeroclub LeRhone in the box. This is the wrong engine for this aircraft so I will source an Oberusel 9 cylinder.
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The DH-2 has two sprues of parts with lots of extras. I’ll be using a lot of the photo etch.
This kit is one of my first purchases in my return to model building back in 2002. Really nice kit!
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Here’s the interior work so far. Ready to close it up:
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The Eindecker interior is still in progress. I’m also building a 1/48 E.III which I’m not documenting here.

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I need to purchase a much finer brush to replicate the turned metal cowling on the outside. This interior will pass for now.

Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Dutch522 on July 20, 2023, 11:53:40 PM: Looking forward to this one, Tim. The DH.2 has got to be one of my favorite Great War aeroplanes.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RAGIII on July 21, 2023, 12:23:22 AM: Excellent start Tim. Both interiors are looking great. I took the same approach on the Sopwith and Bristol as far as the Turned Metal in the interior. I must say I look forward to the rigging on both but Especially the DH2!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: IanB on July 21, 2023, 03:25:36 AM: Nice start. I have the DH2 but not the Profipac, it looks like the extras might be worth it.

Ian
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on July 21, 2023, 03:38:42 AM: Yes Ian. There were a lot of extra PE Lewis drum containers and Lewis drums that I have found very useful on other projects. As well as the plastic ones in the kit.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: WD on July 21, 2023, 04:31:04 AM: Nice work so far Tim.

Warren
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: gedmundson on July 21, 2023, 04:55:53 AM: Great start, Tim. I’d be keen to see that 1/48 E.III at some point too.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: DaddyO on July 21, 2023, 05:50:12 AM: Two cracking kits Tim and a great start on both ;)

Recently built the Eindekker and 'enjoyed' it so much I immediately bought another for later. The DH2 I've had on the shelf for a while, but have taken on a couple of other easier builds while I sort out the best way of making the strut/booms)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RichieW on July 21, 2023, 08:43:28 AM: You certainly deserve a more straightforward project than the Hanovers. I love the DH.2 and am really looking forward to seeing this build unfold.

Richie
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: KiwiZac on July 21, 2023, 11:13:53 AM: An excellent project, gorgeous kits and a great start Tim! I'm keen to follow along.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: MR Bentley on July 21, 2023, 05:47:58 PM: Great start on the pair! I'll be watching this with interest.

-Max
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Rip Van Winkle on July 24, 2023, 03:34:54 AM: Thank you for posting. i will be following along as your posts are very helpful to me.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: enathan on July 24, 2023, 05:35:01 AM: Good start Tim! I'm going to enjoy watching this.

The DH.2 and Fokker E.III were two of my favourite aircraft in my old modelling days, but there were no kits of them available locally.
I had to scratch build them using parts from other kits and Evergreen plastic, and relying on the sporadic information I could gather in the pre internet days.
These Eduard kits were the first I've acquired when returning to the hobby a few years ago, and the Choroszy F.E.8.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: lone modeller on July 26, 2023, 06:39:09 AM: A very interesting pair to build simultaneously. Naturally I am more in favour of the DH 2 (cannot think why?!)

You have made an excellent start - I will be following with interest.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 27, 2023, 12:44:52 PM: Pulling up a chair, Tim...and taking notes! This will be brilliant.

Dan
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 10, 2023, 01:39:00 PM: Small progress on the DH-2. I closed the fuselage and added the instrument panel. The sidewalls and nose section needed a little putty. Probably my error.

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The Edward E.III has no details on the fuselage underside. In my opinion the new tool Airfix kit is much better.

Spartan interior
I added Edward color photo etch belts and scratch pump
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Some filler was needed
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Bare bottom
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Scratched up some details and added photo etch lacing. I’m not sure if it’s the correct lacing though
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Ready for primer

Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: uncletony on August 10, 2023, 02:09:17 PM: dig the 1/72 stitching!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Dutch522 on August 10, 2023, 11:14:31 PM: Love it, Tim, I remember building the old Revell E.III in Turkish markings that came in one of the "3-in-1" boxings (along with a Camel and their little Morane N IIRC) back around 1969. You're making somewhat better a job of it than I did as a 12-year old, though :-D

Dave V.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RichieW on August 11, 2023, 05:22:56 AM: Great work Tim, the stitching looks fantastic. I used 1/32 etch stitching once and found it such a pain to use. Yours looks perfect, in 1/72 that shows just how keen your eye and light your touch is.

Richie
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: gedmundson on August 11, 2023, 05:47:09 AM: Really nice work, Tim. The extra detailing on the E.III looks fabulous.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: KiwiZac on August 12, 2023, 10:10:58 AM: Hear hear, the Eindecker's coming up a treat!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RAGIII on August 13, 2023, 02:01:34 AM: Like the others I am impressed by the extra detailing on the EIII! Well done Tim!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 16, 2023, 01:38:58 AM: Part 3.

I was able to find some much appreciated bench time this weekend. I added more detail and primed both Edward Eindecker’s (1/72 and 1/48).
The DH-2 had the top fuselage cover applied. I then added aftermarket Edward PE lacing.

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I managed to break off all four cabane struts at some point. Some more than once!

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All three fuselage and flying surfaces are primed and ready to be painted. Still deciding on the livery for the Eindecker’s.

Thank you all for your comments and support. You really motivate me to continue.

All the best,
Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2023, 07:55:55 AM: Your DH2 is also looking great! The broken struts remind me of the WNW Camel which Many of us had the same issue!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on August 16, 2023, 07:41:30 PM: I've been admiring your 1/72 work while lurking. This is more excellent work in a scale that I can no longer work in!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Dutch522 on August 17, 2023, 01:46:29 AM: Beautiful work, Tim, two of my favorite aeroplanes. I was digging through my stash yesterday and discovered an old 1970s vintage 1:72 Revell E.III, and inspired by your project almost grabbed it off the shelf. Almost... but I was saved by that little voice in the back of my mind repeating "you need to stay on task, Dutch, stay on task..."

Dave V.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: lone modeller on August 17, 2023, 08:05:08 AM: Both subjects are coming on very well Tim. Two of the first WW1 models that I attempted to rig were these - only they were the Revell offerings in the mid 1970's. I still have them but when I look at themm and compare them with yours I am inclined to move them back into boxes in the roof!

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RichieW on August 18, 2023, 03:06:15 AM: Keep going Tim, that DH.2 is looking exquisite!
Richie
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: WD on August 22, 2023, 12:28:26 AM: Great work so far Tim.

Warren
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 26, 2023, 02:54:24 AM: Part 4

The engines of my three builds are completed.
From left to right:
1. Eduard 100 HP Gnome (replaced the push rods with copper wire)
2. Aeroclub 80HP Oberusel
3. Eduard 80 HP Oberusel 1/48 (kit part)

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All the flying surfaces were first painted overall Tamiya IJN brown

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Next I masked the framework of the Eindecker’s. I’ll save the DH.2 for later because it will have a different tone of Clear Doped Linen

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Light overspray with Poly Scale CDL and removed the masking

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Then lightly overspray the CDL color to blend in the framework.

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Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 26, 2023, 03:02:48 AM: Part 5.

I’ve decided on a livery for my Eindecker’s. They will actually be Fokker E. I’s. This scheme is one sent to the Navy designated Fokker LF.70. It has an interesting cammo scheme.

It’s quite confusing to differentiate between the three Eindecker types . I, . II , and . III. This is a mid production Eindecker .I so had basically the same wing chord as the others. It is however devoid of the aft fuel tank (so no cap behind the pilot seat), no integral wing compass, and the metal foot bracing on the wings are different. I’ll add them after painting. The fuselage should be slightly shorter as well but won’t be too noticeable in this scale.

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This color profile is from the Saber Kits 1/72 offering. The cammo callout looks to be wrong. Im thinking the fuselage should have the Gray-green behind the pilot, CDL line, then Mauve purple aft to the tail. Also the port tail looks to be Mauve and the starboard a lighter Gray-green. Saber also have the later 1916 Eisernes Kreuz instead of the curvier 1915 style.

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Starting with masking the CDL demarcation line and then masking the mauve section. I sprayed Model Air Gray-green.

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Next I masked the gray surface and painted the Mauve color (mix of Model Master Napoleonic Purple and burnt umber 3:1)

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The turned metal cowling has a base coat of Tamiya Dark Metal

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Then hand painted flat white squiggles

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Then a light overspray of Testors Matt silver

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This is where they stand today!

Thanks for looking in!
Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: DaddyO on August 26, 2023, 06:11:45 PM: Coming along nicely Tim. I'd read about the black (or dark grey) and white technique for the engine tunrned effect, but this is the first model I've seen done that way and I may try it on my next one ;D
Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RAGIII on August 27, 2023, 03:30:13 AM: Gorgeous paint work on everything Tim! The cowlings are Brilliant!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: KiwiZac on August 27, 2023, 07:14:04 AM: There were green and mauve Eindeckers? Be still my beating heart!!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on August 27, 2023, 07:50:54 PM: Lovely work Tim, and I agree that the turned effect on the cowling works very well, especially in the smaller scale.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: DannyVM on August 27, 2023, 08:40:18 PM: Very nice work on those tiny little models with a big respect. ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 28, 2023, 09:02:11 PM: Part 6.

Thank you all for your gracious comments.

More Eindecker masking madness! After all the final coloring was completed, I remasked the ribs to apply a light coat of Tamiya Clear Smoke. This adds a little more depth to the wing spar shadowing and highlights the ribs.

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Next, I added detail to the undercarriage. The 1/48 kit had no wooden airfoil on the steel tubing. The 1/72 Eduard kit only had this on the vertical tubes. I thinned the tubing by shaving with an Exacto blade and then gluing on Contrail strut. I had to fill the small gaps with putty.

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The perils of building schemes from the spares box ( and not rigorously checking references)is sometimes you don’t have what you need. In my case, both Eisernes Kreuz markings are incorrect. The 1/48 kit supplied ones are 1916 so I only had these smaller leftover from a Lloyd C.V build. The 1/72 kit I used Americal Gryphon decals that are the correct size but a little more curvy than the reference photo. I can live with both nevertheless.

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Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: kensar on August 28, 2023, 09:30:38 PM: Nice paint work on both.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RichieW on August 29, 2023, 02:46:15 AM: Your Eindekkers are coming along beautifully Tim. Your method of painting the turned metal effect is brilliant. It looks so convincing and like all the best ideas is quite simple.

Richie
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: RAGIII on August 29, 2023, 04:28:05 AM: Both continue to look great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: lone modeller on August 29, 2023, 06:30:53 AM: I am catching up after a long absence Tim. You have done some magnificent work on the Eindekkers since I last looked in - in fact it was very interesting to read your thread and catch up. I was unaware of the mauve/green camouflage on the Eindekkers - one learns something new every time one looks in on this forum! The turned metal effect on the cowlings is also a brilliant idea - one to be put away for future reference.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Dutch522 on August 29, 2023, 11:00:38 AM: Amazing work, Tim, puts the Scourge in a whole new light for me. I always thought of them as being kind of drab...

Dutch
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: KiwiZac on August 29, 2023, 03:50:52 PM: Quote from: Davos522 on August 29, 2023, 11:00:38 AM
I always thought of them as being kind of drab...
This isn't intended as a brag or boast, but I never understood the appeal until I got to see (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13928.0) a couple of examples (albeit reproductions (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=14010)) in person!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on August 29, 2023, 06:08:53 PM: Looking really good, these will be impressive when done.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 09, 2023, 07:54:39 AM: Part 7.

I have made some progress with the Eduard DH.2. It took quite a while to mask all the internal framework of the wings.

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Next I lightly overspray the surface with Model Air (Aged White). Then removed the masking to reveal the framework.

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I wanted to attempt the see through wing roundels. I have not done this on any previous builds. Paying homage to the elderly Revell kit, I used leftover DH.2 decals from an 1981 issue. They worked great. I also constructed a reverse numeral 4. I only had black decal strips but figured it would be fine. The aircraft numerals are actually going to be red.

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Next I lightly overspray in multiple layers to make the translucent appearance.
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I think it turned out pretty well. Next time I’ll freehand the framing over the roundels before overspraying.

Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on September 09, 2023, 06:17:35 PM: That's a lot of masking! The see through effect has worked well, it's a tough one to pull off.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 10, 2023, 09:34:06 PM: Part 8.

Final step in my clear doped linen painting process is to remask the ribs, then add light Tamiya Clear Smoke. I was nervous about masking over the decals but it worked out just fine.

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The rib effect is much more subtle to the eye than depicted in my photo.

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After I add the British roundels I’ll remask the ribs and spray clear smoke over them as well.

Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: davec on September 11, 2023, 12:09:57 AM: looks great! from the pictures, wouldn't know you were working at 1/72. that is an impressive amount of masking!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: KiwiZac on September 11, 2023, 07:03:17 AM: Oh wow, Tim, that see-through effect is terrific! Well done mate! I'm seriously impressed.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on September 11, 2023, 05:56:09 PM: Perfect! I really like the last light coat of smoke because it gives just the right impression without creating extreme stripes either side of the rib masking.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 12, 2023, 12:36:17 AM: Part 9.

I masked and painted the gray metal portion. After spraying a coat of Future, I applied the kit decals. They went on flawlessly. Next I started the weathering with applications of Flory models dark clay wash. This stuff is awesome! If you overdo it in areas, it comes right off after drying, with a small amount of water. Many thanks to Mike Norris for mentioning this product.

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The 100HP Gnome Monosoupape engine cast off oil in high amounts. I tried to replicate the stains with the Flory wash.

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Upper wing has stains as well

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Underside staining

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Hope you like it. Next feat will be adding the upper wing!

Thanks for looking in,
Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: gedmundson on September 14, 2023, 01:29:21 PM: Really nice progress, Tim!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on September 15, 2023, 02:51:20 AM: This is looking absolutely stunning, great work!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Flamingo on September 15, 2023, 06:26:05 AM: Very nice work on the DH-2. The translucent effect is admirable and the staining though not nice is probably realistic!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Rookie on September 15, 2023, 08:02:02 PM: You did a great job on both birds Tim. The weathering and the extra detailing really makes the difference.

Cheers,
Willem
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 18, 2023, 09:06:47 PM: Thank you all for following so far. Here is my latest update:

Part 10.

Upper wing is attached and basic rigging is completed with fine black EZ line. I chose to not represent the double flying wires present on most British WWI aircraft. (I cannot seem to find a good technique to keep them evenly spaced)

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Next I’ve added the tail booms and tail surfacing. This was a problematic point for two reasons:
1. I mounted the upper wing just a tad too high for the spacing of the upper and lower booms. This created a slight upward and downward bending of the booms at the attachment points.
2. The lower booms extend farther and connect to the rudder. I cut one boom too short and it doesn’t reach the attachment point. The upper booms have a weak attachment to the tail surface as well.
I have it as structurally sound as I can manage. It seems to be aligned okay. I’ll begin to rig it today.

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I’ve also masked and sprayed the rib tapes over the national markings. I reduced the tac of the tape by applying and removing it several times to a smooth surface before cutting the rib strips.

Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Dutch522 on September 18, 2023, 10:54:42 PM: Beautiful work, Tim, these two are going to be little gems. Especially enjoying these photos, as one of my first "serious" builds was of Hawker's machine from the Renwal "AeroSkin" kit (following an article in the long-vanished Air Space Model Magazine) so I have a soft place in my heart for the D.H.2.

Dutch
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 19, 2023, 12:46:10 AM: Glad you like it Dutch. I always have liked the DH-2 as well. All pusher types for that matter!
Thanks,
Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: DaddyO on September 19, 2023, 04:06:35 AM: Lovin how this is shaping up Tim (Sucker for pushers despite not tackling one yet . . . )

I'll try and get hold of some of the Flory wash to try out; it's difficult to get the weathering right on the tiny ones and I love the effects you've achieved with this one

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: NigelR on September 19, 2023, 06:35:52 PM: Lovely work Tim, this is looking superb. I could never do doubled flying wires in 1/72 and felt it was OK to just have single wires, I don't think it detracts from the look of the finished plane.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: kensar on September 19, 2023, 09:35:16 PM: It's been a while since I commented, but this is looking really good. The weathering gives a very realistic look.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 19, 2023, 10:47:04 PM: Quote from: kensar on September 19, 2023, 09:35:16 PM
It's been a while since I commented, but this is looking really good. The weathering gives a very realistic look.

Thank you. It’s a difficult task to add weathering but not overdoing it. I still have a lot to learn!
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: lone modeller on September 20, 2023, 01:58:43 AM: I have been awol a great deal recently Tim and therefore have had to catch up with this thread. It is great to see a real aeroplane being built and the finish that you have achieved on the DH 2 is superb in every way. The rigging looks just fine to me - I too cannot seem to get double wires to work in this scale but I have never had complaints so just keep going!

Two super models here.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: WD on September 20, 2023, 08:44:49 AM: Tim, this is simply wonderful work, I've save this thread for future reference!

Warren
Title: Re: 1/72 Dogfight Double. Fokker E.III vs. Airco DH-2
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 23, 2023, 10:52:26 AM: I’ve posted completed pics in the appropriate forum. Thank you all for your encouraging responses!