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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on January 24, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
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The question marks are deliberate as an approach to Wingnut Wings asking if they would like to update the Q & A, featured on this Forum midway through last year, has been declined by the company.
Given that most of the 2012 likely releases were released late last year, this leaves only two more Fokker Eindecker variants, the Sopwith Snipe and the Salmson 2-A2 as being identified as in-development projects.
An approach to Wingnuts asking if they could provide some information on the 2013 likely releases for an updated article was firmly declined with a “ No plans for updates articles at this time thanks.” response from Richard Alexander, the Wingnuts project co-ordinator.
Last year he indicated Wingnut had around 50 subjects in development. Despite substantial support from this Forum for Wingnuts kits, no reason was given for declining the request, so perhaps Wingnuts just wants to share that information with a web forum which it does support?
In the meantime we are left to contemplate rumours and speculation as to what the company will release this year. Let’s hope two more Eindecker variants, a Snipe and a Salmson are not the sum total of this year’s releases. If these kits are the sum total of Wingnuts' 2013 production, then come back Roden, we need you!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Hello, maybe they are waiting the Shizuoka and Nurberg shows to unveil their news.
They said that all the biplace aircraft flying in NZ are "in the pipes"
This month also an Hanriot HD 1 and a Farman F 40 took the route to New Zealand, so I'd bet that these are going to be candidates for the next four or five models.
I have asked if they are planning to release the high grade boxing of LVG and HB W 29, but again I received a negative response.
I hope for the best and I hope that Roden will continue in making WW1 subjects
ermeio
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Interesting news Dave, thanks for sharing. I'm surprised that they flatly declined you a repeat Q&A - the last one was great!
Oh well, thanks for trying.
Andrew
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I'm hoping we (Brits) see the return of the HD.1 after Sir Peter Jackson's boy have done with reverse engineering the old girl and in the process, produced half a dozen replicas out of the solitary beauty.
I can hope! ;)
BVB
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Hey Bob, with this seeming mass migration of warbirds to the South Pacific, what's going to be left for me to see when I visit London this summer or next? ;)
I hope the seasonal migration of the HD.1 also results in a bunch of 1/32 replicas as well! ;D She's on my top 5 list of desired unproduced kits in 1/32. :)
Regards,
Bob
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I do have a small wish list, which probably isn't on the list of WNW:
- Avro 504 A/B
- De Havilland / Airco DH9 (looks like the DH9 Ninak from WNW, but with another engine and altered forward fuselage)
- Farman HF20 / HF22
- Fokker D.III
- Nieuport XI
- Rumpler C.VIII
regards,
Ivo
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I can't help but think that a Halberstadt Cl.II is near.
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I cant help thinking we're spoiled rotten and I have enough for several lives of building.... ;D
Steve
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I do have a small wish list, which probably isn't on the list of WNW:
- Avro 504 A/B
- De Havilland / Airco DH9 (looks like the DH9 Ninak from WNW, but with another engine and altered forward fuselage
- Farman HF20 / HF22
- Fokker D.III
- Nieuport XI
- Rumpler C.VIII
regards,
Ivo
Someone else who wants a Fokker D.III ! But I'm afraid we might be the only two...
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I can't help but think that a Halberstadt Cl.II is near.
It's one of the big holes in 1/32 for sure, and would provide a lot of interesting options. I think Roland C.II would also be a hit.
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I don't begrudge them their secrecy in coming forward. I think they got burnt when they first arrived on the scence proclaiming this, that and the other will be released by 2010 and all that happened was 3 years of bleating where's my Fokker D.vii or where are the figures.
Furthermore its not like a secretive product release schedule does other companies, Apple for example any harm it just keeps us all speculating and keeping the interest high.
Sopwith Camel 2013 ;)
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I may have missed earlier suggestions, but would a Curtiss Jenny be a good suggestion?
I don't expect WNW to open up on their plans, but we might influence them a little bit on their choice for development.
And now we have already 2 fans of a Fokker D.III ;)
regards,
Ivo
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I`m with Pepperman, I`ve got a back log from hell going here and it`s a good feeling. Being greedy though I hope Roden get busy again, and a WNW Camel, Nieuport 11, and 17, and a Dolphin would be only a minor inconvenience. You bet were spoiled!
Cheers,
Lance ;)
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I'll be happy with whatever releases whenever they do it. No doubt some of the older modeler when the only game in town was Aurora.Now we've plenty of kit and scales to choose from. Oh what a wonderful world for WWI modelers to be in.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I've got a big backlog too, so I don't really mind . . . but the curiosity factor is what it mostly is. :)
Oh, BTW, . . . you've got a third proponent for the Fokker D.III. I sense a groundswell forming.;)
Regards,
Bob
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Oh, BTW, . . . you've got a third proponent for the Fokker D.III. I sense a groundswell forming.;)
Woo hoo!
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While I am on the edge of my seat waiting to see what they will announce, really right now I feel almost overwhelmed with WNW kits in the queue since the Christmas rush with the new Fokkers, the Sop Tripe, etc.
I also get the occasional WW2 and Jet kit in 1/32 and there are many kits out and coming out for aircraft in those time periods that I never thought we would see in this scale (a freakin B-17? P-61?) so lots of temptation....
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I've just gotten 3 DVIIIs, a tripe, and another DH-9a, so I'm good for a bit. I may order another one-dekker, but I'm good for the moment.I'll be looking at shows for some WNW kits, but certainly have no lack of building stock.
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i know tval has been working on the be2e,be2c and be2f right . it stands to reason this could be sometime in the future. i hope so i like all the quirks, even the original be2a. i also think a roland cii would be sweet. i am still praying for an aviatik d.i and a dolphin. but i would also buy a halberstadt,any halbie from d.i to d.v series or cl.ii or even a cl.iv. i have 5 years worth of kits at least but i still like to fondle new plastic.
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We all like surprises, don't we? Me, I am very happy to have no clue on their future releases. I like to be taken by surprise!
That is how I got my first 32nd scale model Roden Spad VII - it was a surprise gift. That is also, how I seriously entered 32nd scale with their Pfalz D.IIIa - my WW1 favourite airplane and WNW surprise (for me at least) release. Then I bought the surprisingly released FE2b before Christmas 2011 and built it just after it. Then I bought surprisingly released Hannover before Christmas 2012 and am currently working on it. My two remaining WNW kits - Pfalz D.XII and Albatros D.V were prizes - surprisingly won.
Unlike my collection of almost 50 WW1 subjects in 72nd scale, my 32nd scale collection is just 5, plus one on the bench and one in the stash (WNW DH2). My building rate in the last 7 years dropped from 17 to 5 completions per year. So I can afford being surprised again once or twice and the chance to see WNW release a model which I already have is virtually null. So, come on, Wingnut Wings, surprise me again this year! ;)
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I cant help thinking we're spoiled rotten and I have enough for several lives of building.... ;D
Steve
I agree with Steve:
We are a spoiled lot! My gosh, look at what we have! Someone just published a list of 1/32nd WWI subjects and WNW is probably the largest contributor on the block: all of this in a matter of what? Four or five years. I too like the curiosity factor and am excited about what is coming, but; with shelves full of Roden and WNW 1/32nd kits I doubt I will live long enough, (I am 63) to build them all. As someone else stated, their productivity has gone from 17 a year to 5, mine is down to about three, if I am lucky. Ten years ago, 1/32nd WWI subjects were just a passing fancy with some odds and ends from France. Roden was putting out some nice kits that dovetailed nicely with the WNW releases, but per usual, we got spoiled with the WNW quality and moaned and groaned about the Roden Kits. Now, we will be lucky to ever see another WWI subject put out by Roden. We can be cruel at times.
Now, let's build and show your completed projects on the forums for all to see.
Just my $00.02 worth
Mark
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As far as I'm concerned WNW can release whatever they like, when ever they like. I've currently got 30 WW1 aircraft kits (plus many more others from different eras) to build and would still like to acquire 5 more WNW kits.
I also doubt whether I'll ever catch up with building them all but it'll be good fun trying and also very pleasing to acquire what ever WNW release in the future.
Besides I do like the surprise when they announce a new release. Just like the old days of walking in to Woolies and seeing the latest Airfix kit on sale.
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Last year he indicated Wingnut had around 50 subjects in development. Despite substantial support from this Forum for Wingnuts kits, no reason was given for declining the request, so perhaps Wingnuts just wants to share that information with a web forum which it does support?
I don't mind WnW keeping their secrets about their forthcoming releases as that's a sound business practice, but I do find the quote above to be a bit troubling. I only read and participate in this WWI aircraft forum but am I to assume from reading this that WnW has chosen to actively support other forum(s) in preference to this one?
If so, I don't understand why that would be the case as this forum is certainly vibrant, steadily increasing in popularity, and perhaps most importantly, the membership are strong supporters of WnW. Why they wouldn't support this forum escapes me, but it's their loss not to seek to foster good will on any and all forums.
Cheers,
Chris
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Last year he indicated Wingnut had around 50 subjects in development. Despite substantial support from this Forum for Wingnuts kits, no reason was given for declining the request, so perhaps Wingnuts just wants to share that information with a web forum which it does support?
I don't mind WnW keeping their secrets about their forthcoming releases as that's a sound business practice, but I do find the quote above to be a bit troubling. I only read and participate in this WWI aircraft forum but am I to assume from reading this that WnW has chosen to actively support other forum(s) in preference to this one?
If so, I don't understand why that would be the case as this forum is certainly vibrant, steadily increasing in popularity, and perhaps most importantly, the membership are strong supporters of WnW. Why they wouldn't support this forum escapes me, but it's their loss not to seek to foster good will on any and all forums.
Cheers,
Chris
Not to be the fly in the ointment, but; I think these statements indicate that there are conclusions being made on assumptions that have not been verified or substantiated. I think it is premature to make conclusions about WNW support of this forum or others based on an email that has been paraphrased. I know that WNW also follows other forums, as do several us here on this forum. Right now this forum is the most active of the WWI modeling forums. I don't know why that is, but it is. I would not want to make assumptions as to why it is or why another forum is less active, it just is. If WNW wants to keep their releases and dates close to the chest, that is their prerogative and right. If they don't want to put out another survey, that is also within their scope. Personally I find surveys inconclusive because we all have our sacred cows and want to see our favorite airplane in kit form. With 50 subjects in the pipeline, I am sure one of our sacred cows will appear within that roster. I could connect the dots and make the assumption that previous surveys were used to establish a list of 50 kits. But; I digress. Let's hold off on our conclusions that are based on assumptions rather than founded in facts and evidence to support those facts.
Respectfully
Mark
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Hey Bob, with this seeming mass migration of warbirds to the South Pacific, what's going to be left for me to see when I visit London this summer or next? ;)
I hope the seasonal migration of the HD.1 also results in a bunch of 1/32 replicas as well! ;D She's on my top 5 list of desired unproduced kits in 1/32. :)
Regards,
Bob
Bob,
When you do make it over this side of the pond you will find much to enjoy. ;)
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Whoohooo! Thanks BVB. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Bob (BVB)
Thanks for the great Albatros interior shots my old friend. What museum is that ?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I'm sure we'd all prefer looking up at it over the Bedfordshire countryside. :(
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Bob (BVB)
Thanks for the great Albatros interior shots my old friend. What museum is that ?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Hi Gregory
RAF Hendon, in North West London. A second home for me ;)
The RE.8 (out of shot) is also fully strung-up and ready for drooling :D
Cheers,
vB
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THE FACTS
David Wilson posted the first comment in this topic of his own free will, he has the same rights as any other member and is allowed to voice his own opinion, there were certain aspects of the article which David sought my permission to use, I had no problems at all with him using it in it's entirety.
Just to clear a few matters up. David is 100% correct with his statement that Wingnuts do not support my forum, they never have in any way, shape or form and I have been told personally by Wingnuts that they will not be supporting my forum in the foreseeable future. Wingnuts do support other forums, I don't know how many but the ones I know of have been supported for quite some time. My forum and my website have evolved to where they are today without the help of Wingnuts so to me it matters little if Wingnuts did support me. Many of our members support Wingnuts and applaud what they have done for the WW1 modeling, the number of posts made on the forum relating to Wingnuts is proof of the support my members give Wingnuts, but every post and every build log is free advertising for Wingnuts.
Wingnuts monitor the forum on a daily basis, they would be reading every post relating to Wingnuts, looking at the build logs, finding out what kits are proving popular, all this information, which comes free to them, would be used to determine future planning and development.
David Wilson contacted Wingnuts and asked a simple question, all he wanted to do is to inform the loyal Wingnut followers on the forum of any news for 2013, he was refused a respectable answer. A follow up on last years Q and A would have been great publicity for Wingnuts but obviously they believe they don't need it.
Surveys and polls are a lot of fun, it gets the members involved with each other and with the forum, it also gives the kit manufactures an indication of what the WW1 aircraft modeler really wants. I realise that not all the aeroplanes listed in these polls will ever be made as a kit, but to people like Wingnuts it might say to them to produce the most popular asked for kit.
I commend David for taking the initiative to contact Wingnuts and ask a few simple questions, I also thank him for pointing out some facts that our members would not have been aware of.
Des.
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Thank you for your valued support Des, which is greatly appreciated.
I am concerned at suggestions from some people that my post re Wingnut's refusal to discuss 2013 releases and its lack of active support of this Forum is all just based on personal assumptions.
The fact is I have been a loyal customer of Wingnuts since the company's beginnings and as a writer have written several feature articles to promote the firm- most notably the big feature on HyperScale in 2010 and the Q & A feature which ran on this Forum last year and also on HyperScale. I have had dealings- both hobby and professional - for several years with Wingnuts as I believe the kits they are producing are the best in the world and deserve support.
That said I felt it would be timely to update my 2012 Q&A article to reflect what's happening this year. It's called "news" people, not just personal curiosity. Wingnuts- as is its right- declined to assist in updating the article. It obviously has its reasons.
Several people seem to take umbrage at my suggestion Wingnuts does not actively support this Forum. By "actively support" I mean contributes in as meaningful way either through posting news items, replying to posts re Wingnut subjects or providing review samples of its products.
The fact is, and this is fact, not supposition, Wingnuts provides review samples of its kits and decals to several other hobby websites and model magazines. The company has stated to me it will not supply such items to Des' Forum. Nor, of course, is it required to do so. Wingnuts is logged on to Des' Forum every day but has never posted an item or replied to a post.
So, given those facts, I think it's reasonable to say Wingnuts does not actively support this Forum. It has provided review samples of its new kits and decals to other hobby forums but not this one.
And just to ram the point home gentlemen- the big Q & A with Wingnuts which appeared on this Forum last year only happened because I agreed to their condition that the article also be supplied to another hobby forum where they want to raise their profile.
Wingnuts enjoys enormous free publicity on this Forum and benefits greatly from the ongoing support and praise of the members. The company's kits are the best in the world, in my view, but the business behind the plastic does not regard this Forum as one of the hobby forums it wishes to support in any practical way.
I would love to be proved wrong.
David Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Des & David,
Thank you both for making things clearer. Although, it
does seem to raise a whole other set of questions.
Jim
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I happen to think that NOT being "supported" by WNW is a good thing for this forum - Des has built a superb WW1 modelling forum, the best on the web, and I'm more than happy for him to keep driving it forward. Being independent means we can voice our opinions exactly as we wish and I'm not sure we are missing out on much by not being on WNW's "list".
I re-read Peter Jacksons interview from a few years back in Windsock magazine. What struck me was the answer to the "What models will you launch in future?" question. It went something like "We don't have to worry about making a profit, so we'll do whatever we fancy".
Although they may have 50 models in varying stages of development, I believe that they genuinely don't know the order in which they will be released - at least,, not until they are very close to individual model releases.
They seem to concentrate resources on development, with multiple products being developed simultaneously. Sales and marketing - which would drive any "normal" company - iare seen as the consequence's of their work and happens only when they are absolutely happy and not when financially necessary.
For this reason they don't engage with their customers quite as much as, say, Roden. Their customer service once you buy is outstanding - the very best in my opinion - but their rather unique business model means they are really not that bothered what the market - us lot - thinks.
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I happen to think that NOT being "supported" by WNW is a good thing for this forum - Des has built a superb WW1 modelling forum, the best on the web, and I'm more than happy for him to keep driving it forward. Being independent means we can voice our opinions exactly as we wish and I'm not sure we are missing out on much by not being on WNW's "list".
Totally agree Dean, being independent is a real good thing.
Also WNW knows we are more than likely buy a significant number of what ever kit they release.
They don't have to entice us to buy so they can 'focus' their effort places where they encourage modellers to take a look at their products, and thus sell more kits. The US market is all probability their prime focus due to its size so no doubt the forums they support will be those that have a big following there. I can think of two forums at the moment that I believe WNW support and both have a large US based membership.
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...I just dont think we have to have points rammed home......
Steve
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Bob (BVB)
Thanks for the great Albatros interior shots my old friend. What museum is that ?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Hi Gregory
RAF Hendon, in North West London. A second home for me ;)
The RE.8 (out of shot) is also fully strung-up and ready for drooling :D
Cheers,
vB
When was the Albatros rolled out?!
I was there in August & it was not there then - I'll have to go again now!
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Bob (BVB)
Thanks for the great Albatros interior shots my old friend. What museum is that ?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Hi Gregory
RAF Hendon, in North West London. A second home for me ;)
The RE.8 (out of shot) is also fully strung-up and ready for drooling :D
Cheers,
vB
When was the Albatros rolled out?!
I was there in August & it was not there then - I'll have to go again now!
I think she has been up on her wheels for over a month, now. Go take a look!
vB ;)
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I can understand why they choose not to offer samples for review here as to be honest this is a market they have already got and its relatively small. They seem to be going for forums with a more wider appeal. Take Britmodeller for example, they now get review samples from WNW, they have a large user base but their interest in WW1 aviation is almost non existent and prior to getting the reviewer they have now previous reviews on WW1 kits were pitiful.
They also send kits to strange places, scalemodellingnow for instance a subscription based website that must have limited coverage and is relatively closed off, and I'm not sure why Aeroscale still get them, their footfall is pretty small.
I don't think it would do them any harm sending them here though at least they'd get built with a proper build log, which to me is the best form of advertising you can get as opposed to the normal in box reviews which to my mind are boarding on pointless.
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They seem to have several buildlogs in place all the time here already. I guess we are the captive audience, yet as was pointed out, independence is a good thing.
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Hmmm. My next build log here might have to be a Roden subject. :P
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Thats good too Bo!!
Steve
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They seem to have several buildlogs in place all the time here already. I guess we are the captive audience, yet as was pointed out, independence is a good thing.
Now I am getting curious. I wasn't before. Any firm, as idealistic as they might seem, has to make money somehow. I regard this forum as a group of very dedicated and talented modellers helping eachother out. That's how I have found it. And yes, lots of members here have great sympathy for WNW (as I have) because of the top quality of their products. There is therefore (my humble conclusion) no new market to be conquered for WNW here in this group. Following that line of reasoning I can fully understand WNW not supporting this forum, but others. And I like to be independant too.
Now Mike, you suggest that WNW is an active poster of buildlogs (perhaps through others) and that's where I start putting a small question mark. That would mean there is some kind of commercial advertisement going on (and Des should perhaps recieve some support for keeping this forum in existance). In that case I would prefer to have that in the open. Not that I would not be on this forum anymore if it didn't , but I just like transparency.
regards,
Ivo
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Thanks Dave and Des for the clarification. I was watching this topic closely and was somewhat confused by the initial Posts, electing to sit back and wait for a clearer picture seemed best.
I am somewhat disappointed to learn that WNW have, by commission, chosen to not "support" this Forum. I sense that there could well be some "political" or personality driven motivation for their decision however that is well beyond my (and I daresay everyone else's) control. As Dave has pointed out numerous times, they are the best producer and offer the best customer support post purchase on the market hands down. I am aware that Aeroscale get samples for review, and I'm not surprised that several other Forums do as well. In that fact alone it's WNW's loss (and their right), and I agree strongly with GCN's statement on Build Logs vs. In Box Reviews. The fact that we see the consequences differently matters not.
Having said all that will I feel any guilt in supporting WNW by virtue of buying their products?........certainly not as they are simply the very best. Will I support other suppliers? ..........as much as I can. Am I disappointed in WNW's lack of support to this Forum?..................very much so!
Rather then dwell on all the negatives I'd like to state one positive; In my view this Forum is the most enjoyable and fastest growing on the Web, characterised by a friendly, helpful, and, most important, respectful membership that is well moderated by the "staff". I have been and continue to be a member of several other Forums and there's a reason I spend most of my hobby "administration" time here. It's because I enjoy it here and feel a strong amount of kinsmanship with my fellow members. I've learned a great deal here, and never at the expense of pride nor confidence. The tone here is never one of criticism nor confrontation, and I appreciate that above all else. We are the best, and it's often lonely at the top.
In conclusion, the immortal words of one of my great "heros", Forest Gump, "that's all I'm going to say about that"!
Cheers All,
Lance :) :)
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Now Mike, you suggest that WNW is an active poster of buildlogs (perhaps through others) and that's where I start putting a small question mark. That would mean there is some kind of commercial advertisement going on (and Des should perhaps recieve some support for keeping this forum in existance). In that case I would prefer to have that in the open. Not that I would not be on this forum anymore if it didn't , but I just like transparency.
That's not how I interpreted Mike's remark; I read it simply that there were several ongoing build logs featuring WNW subjects. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't think anyone is suggesting WNW has proxies here doing builds for advertising purposes.
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Thanks Des for added clarification. If I offended, I meant no offense. I agree with the others. This is a great forum and is populated by active enthusiastic folks willing to share their modeling skills, talents, abilities and "helpful hints".
Whether or not WNW supports this forum or not is a side issue, the main issue is we are having fun and sharing our work with others.
Best
Mark
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No offence taken at all Mark.
Des.
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Theres 812 reasons (and growing) why I support this forum.Thats all I need. WNW releases a Bristol Rumbledeethump - great - someone here points out something to correct or watch out for on said Rumbledeethump - priceless....no Mastercard doesnt sponsor me .....
Steve
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WNW releases a Bristol Rumbledeethump - great -
Steve
Do you know something we don't know? 8)
Mark
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Only via the rumour mill. First the BMW powered Pfalz Fhartzen THEN the Rumbledeethump............just sayin'
Steve
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Ivo, just to clarify: WNW doesn't have a proxy doing build logs here, there are just a lot of modellers doing WNW kit build logs, which speaks for itself as to WNW kits popularity, and buildability.
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I'd guess that the percentage of WNW builds on this here forum is probably higher than most anywhere else - it would be pretty pointless, from a marketing perspective, for WNW to invest here.
We are a victim of our own success!
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Ivo, just to clarify: WNW doesn't have a proxy doing build logs here, there are just a lot of modellers doing WNW kit build logs, which speaks for itself as to WNW kits popularity, and buildability.
Ok, I just interpreted the words they seem to have several buildlogs in such way. Bo already explained his different interpretation. And agreed: there are much building activities with WNW kits going on, so why would they?
I see it the other way around: from the quality of WNW kits and the apparant dedication to the subject from the WNW staff, their excellent after sales (which I already experienced as anonymus modeller) I am sure that they visit this forum frequently for purposes of getting feed back for free, opportunities to even improve on their outstanding work and getting ideas for future projects. In this respect I do believe that wishlists have some influence ;)
regards,
Ivo
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You are exactly right Dekenba, Wingnuts have said that they are targeting website and forums where WW1 model aircraft are not so prolifick, they (Wingnuts) are trying to lure other model builders over to WW1 aircraft. There is a lot of sense in what they are trying to do, but they have a battle on their hands, it will take a lot of convincing to get a die hard AFV builder or a vehicle builder to have a go at WW1 bi-planes, it's the rigging that scares most people off even trying a bi-plane. I wish Wingnuts all the luck in the world because the more people who buy and build their kits means more new kits in the pipeline for us.
Wingnuts not only keeps a close watch on this forum but many other forums as well, they gather as much information as possible and will use this feedback in planning future ket development and releases. This is an excellent way to get customer feedback without having to sift through mountains of emails, they are not only getting the customers thoughts on each kit, the way the kit goes together, any problems encountered during the build, customers wish lists but also just general conversation between modelers talking about the different Wingnut kits, all this is invaluable information.
Des.
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You know why they're scared of modelling WW1 aircraft Des, its because they inferior to us lot. ;D
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We should at least get Tee-shirts or something!
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I think Des should add a "Not endorsed by WNW" sign somewhere!
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I am disappointed that WNW doesn't support this forum BUT, I am grateful for all they have put out AND for this excellent forum!
If it weren't for both WNW wonderfully engineered kits and Des's excellent build logs, I doubt very much I would have ever attempted to build a WW1 suspect. As much as I have always admired early aircraft, the double wings and rigging always seemed to scary too attempt. Thanks to Des and WNW I am now happily stuck on WW1 and doubt I will ever leave!
Thank you Des for this excellent site and WNW for your excellent kits!
p.s. if WNW is reading, a Junkers D.I would be a GREAT kit for those testing the early aircraft waters. Single wing and no rigging. Just sayin ;)
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EXACTLY!
WNW, I hope your reading this! :)
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I third the motion - bring on the Junkers!!!!!
Steve
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I do not support this request as is... but
They should put out TWO distinct kits of the Junkers D1 - short and long fuselage...
ermeio
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Thanks Des and Dave for the clarification. I'm not troubled any longer by WnW apparent lack of support here. Maintain your independence Des!
Cheers,
Chris
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I third the motion - bring on the Junkers!!!!!
Steve
Now that would be sweet; "Giddy Up" WNW!!!
Cheers,
Lance 8)
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...and hurrah for all you WNW Snipers!!!
Steve
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A very interesting discussion. I'm grateful to have such a forum and grateful to have WNW producing such brilliant kits. (My wallet is not so grateful).
In the meantime, here is my wishlist:
Avro 504
Sopwith Baby
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter.
Oh, like Steve, I'd like a Pfalz Pfartzen too. Not holding my breath though ...
And, yes, cheers to all the guttersnipes out there.
John
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There was an attempt by Pfalz to enclose the cockpit on the Pfarzten but for obvious reasons they dropped the idea.
Steve
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From what I understand, it was the first attempt at gas warfare.
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There is an interesting thread elsewhere today asking what subjects Wingnut still has to do.
The most interesting response was from respected hobby industry figure Roy Sutherland, he of 21st Century Toys fame. His views are especially worth repeating here:
"There are plenty of subjects, no doubt, but how many are left that will get enough people to dig deep into their pockets to pay 75 bucks to have.
I'm sure this is a question that is of great interest at WNW. At the present rate of releases, I'd say they have a year, maybe two before subjects start getting to that tipping point of being obscure enough that a good percentage of customers will take a pass on that subject.
Where they go from that point will be interesting to watch. "
Roy raises a really interesting point- Wingnut is heavily targeting mainstream ( non WW1 modellers) but at what point will they baulk at buying subjects they have never heard of ? It will come down to what looks 'sexy' and of course there's all the competition from other mainstream model companies.
WW1 modellers see endless subject potential, but are these subjects commercially viable? And don't say Wingnuts are not interested in profit- at the very least they want to cover costs. They are a business folks, and they charge a fair price for an excellent product. The recent increase in kit prices was made for business reasons, and rightly so.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Very interesting comments by Roy, and what he said has a lot of truth in it. There are only so many kits Wingnuts can produce that will attract paying customers, sure, all the obscure types would be great but only a very small handful of people would buy them, not enough to cover the enormous cost to produce a kit. The 50 kits that Wingnuts have said they have in development pose a very serious question, how many of them are actual WW1 aircraft and how many are post war. I can count on one hand the kits which would be good sellers, a few of them have been mentioned in this topic, and I'm sure that Wingnuts will have these kits on their priority list, but the other 45 kits in development, well, it's anyones guess. I, like a lot of other guys, have a fairly lengthy wish list, but I'm afraid that is all it is, wishes.
Thanks David for posting the comments Roy made, they make a lot of sense.
Des.
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Des, you think it is realistic thinking that Wingnut Wings or any other "mainstream" model company would ever do a 1/32 Farman, Caudron, Voison, A.E.G. G.IV, Friedrichshafen G.III, or a Hanriot? Just wondering if I'm wishing and waiting for one of these nothing?
James S.
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Nice choice of aeroplanes James, they would all be great kits. Wingnuts are a very dedicated WW1 company and love to produce 1:32 scale kits of these wonderful aircraft, but they are also a business, they need to make money like any other business. It costs an enormous amount of money to research, develop and produce a kit, then they have to market it, they (Wingnuts) would have a break even figure, X amount of kits would have to be sold before they realise a profit. Wingnuts, or any other manufacturer, are facing an uphill battle to produce a kit then try and sell it to the modeling world. We have to remember that WW1 aircraft models is only a very small niche market, it is a specialised field not only in kit manufacturing but kit building, this is the reason few modelers will venture into WW1 bi-planes. We would all love to see a multitude of new kits hit the market every month or so, but this will never happen. Wingnuts now dominate the large scale WW1 aeroplane market which has scared most other manufacturers away from ever producing new subjects, this is such a shame
Your list of models you would like is great, I would like to see all those aeroplanes made as kits in 1:32 scale, but realistically, they may just be a pipe dream, I hope not.
Des.
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Nice choice of aeroplanes James, they would all be great kits. Wingnuts are a very dedicated WW1 company and love to produce 1:32 scale kits of these wonderful aircraft, but they are also a business, they need to make money like any other business. It costs an enormous amount of money to research, develop and produce a kit, then they have to market it, they (Wingnuts) would have a break even figure, X amount of kits would have to be sold before they realise a profit. Wingnuts, or any other manufacturer, are facing an uphill battle to produce a kit then try and sell it to the modeling world. We have to remember that WW1 aircraft models is only a very small niche market, it is a specialised field not only in kit manufacturing but kit building, this is the reason few modelers will venture into WW1 bi-planes. We would all love to see a multitude of new kits hit the market every month or so, but this will never happen. Wingnuts now dominate the large scale WW1 aeroplane market which has scared most other manufacturers away from ever producing new subjects, this is such a shame
Your list of models you would like is great, I would like to see all those aeroplanes made as kits in 1:32 scale, but realistically, they may just be a pipe dream, I hope not.
Des.
Thanks for the honest reply, Des. You are right in that Wingnut wants to make money and the amount ofd fesearch for these kits would be who knows how much, but not cheap. With WW I being such a small market, I'm with you in that these kits will probably never see the light of day. It is a shame though that some of these important early War aircraft will never be done. Though I do think Wingnut Wings could do a Hanriot Hd.1, as I would think that it would be a good seller.
James S.
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I'd be pleased to see WnW release several U.S. Navy Yellow Wing biplanes at some point. There are some great marking schemes there.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hmmm. This is a bit of a marathon, but please bear with me....
Des, I know you have this view that Wingnuts are scaring off other manufacturers but really I don't think it holds water. If Roden were, as you seem to believe, "scared off" by Wingnut Wings quality, so much the better. They produced a few reasonable 32nd scale kits but they were getting worse with every new release; their distributors - particularly in the UK - were hell-bent on screwing the maximum from the customer. I know that you did a great job on some Roden kits, particularly the DH2, but that's because you are talented enough to get those results from sub-par kits. Have you seen the Wingnuts DH2? the Roden one is a 48% kit and the other a 95%+ one - the difference is that marked. I also think you aren't giving WNW their due; with both the DH2 and the Sopwith Triplane they let Roden have a go at the market first and held up their kits in the process. With the latest tranche of releases, we now have more 32nd scale WWI subjects than we could have dreamed possible before WNW arrived on the scene. And what beautiful things they are!
Gloom and doom seem to be the order of the day on this thread - OK, it's dressed up as business savvy, feet on the ground, grown up thinking but honestly, can't we give the Chicken Little act a rest? Many of the subjects that WNW will produce in the future will be virtually unknown to all but a minority of modellers, but they'll sell. Quality always does and let's be honest, Wingnuts as an enterprise is as much about education and recognition of the bravery and sacrifice of the early aviators as anything else. It is no coincidence that the same man's vision also drives the Vintage Aviator (probably a far more money-hungry beast). Do we see them only building replicas of the well-known aircraft? do people wail and gnash their teeth because they "must make money" and no one is buying FE2b repros.... OK a bit extreme but you get my drift, I'm sure.
I'm willing to bet that we will still be seeing fabulous releases of "obscure" types from WNW in another four years time. No one has mentioned the DFW C.V yet. The what? I hear you cry, the most produced single aeroplane type in the German arsenal, that's all. Far better that we hear about and learn about that, than have yet another kit of a slow and ineffective aeronautical blind alley that was produced in tiny numbers and was obsolete almost as soon as it entered service but just happened to be painted red and flown by a blue-eyed boy of the German home front newspapers. Just because Triplanes "sell". Pah!
Seriously though, can't we cheer up and enjoy what these folks are giving us? Dream on! Really! Dream! There will be Handley Page O/400s and AEG J.IIs and French and Italian and Austro-Hungarian and Russian aeroplanes. I believe in all honesty, that we ain't seen nothing yet. Far from running out of subjects, Wingnut Wings are only just getting going!
Strolls away whistling "always look on the bright side of life".........
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I am not sure that money is the only consideration for WNW in what they decide to produce? They do have something that most companies wish for - an extremely wealthy enthusiast benefactor....
I am sure they don't want to take losses either, but if it was all about money only I would have thought their first releases would have been things like a Fokker DrI, Sopwith Camel, etc. instead of a Junkers, HB29, etc.?
So while they are doing some popular subjects that no doubt will sell big (Fok DVII) they are doing some that I doubt would be big sellers (I cant imagine the Salmson will be a cash-cow?)
Just my 2cents...
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I don't think we have anything to worry about for the next few years. Even if NZ sank under a mega tsunami (hope not) once the Internet was on again, people would be posting about how long it took for their kit to arrive.
Ergo
The rest of the plastic manufacturers would step up. Maybe airfix or a european company rather than trumpeter, but demand leads supply. That is limited by our ages. There are no new ww1 modellers. We are a clique within a niche within a microcosm.
I don't think we will see early ww1 stuff coming out. I suspect late war to post war is where we will be heading. This market could easily switch to yellow or silver wings stuff if wnw are so inclined and I for one would be delighted.
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A response to Rowan's post above:
Rowan I think you misread the comments in this thread. We are not- I am most certainly not- trying to play a Chicken Little number on Wingnuts. This Forum and its members are THE most enthusiastic supporters of Wingnut Wings of any hobby website or Forum that I have seen, Just look at all of the posts here, don't single out those asking some serious questions about future sales potential and label us doom-mongers.
We all have a vested interest in ensuring Wingnut stays viable. But realistically they are now the major player in 1/32 scale aircraft models, now that Roden has backed away. Why Roden stopped doing WW1 subjects is secondary to the fact that they did abandon it, and Wingnut have plowed on and are the default large scale WW1 aircraft kit manufacturers ( some welcome resin manufacturers notwithstanding).
The Vintage Aviator operates on a different business model to Wingnuts but it's no secret TVAL shares its detailed information with Wingnut. It's also become evident that everything manufactured by TVAl will appear as a model from Wingnut. Hence we could expect a BE,2c and F and a Fokker D.VIII. This is speculation but based on the fact everything else TVAL has made has been subsequently kitted by Wingnut.
Rather than 'gloom and doom' as you suggest, I think this thread is showing itself to be a vibrant discussion on where we are going with large scale WW1 models. In my last article on Wingnuts the company indicated another bomber subject was quite likely so let's all cheer that decision. Hopefully a Handley Page 0/400?
It is a fact that Wingnut is targeting a wider mainstream hobby customer base for sales and this makes perfect sense as WW1 modellers are too small a niche for enduring profitability on our own.
That said, the fact is that most of those mainstream modellers incessantly demand Wingnut produce various American designs of the interwar years, or a 1/32 Lancaster. They call for anything BUT WW1 models! Those requests are everywhere, all of them ignoring Wingnuts stated policy of focussing on WW1 era aircraft.
So the trend here, encouraged by Roy's remarks, was to ask where the tipping point might be for mainstream sales vs dedicated WW1 enthusiasts.
All of us wish Wingnut a very long and very prosperous business life because it's in our best interests they thrive.
Their kits are, in my view, the best in the world. Their instruction booklets are the best in the world ( all credit to Richard Alexander), their sales and delivery and customer after-sales service is the best in the world ( all credit to Dave Johnson and his team).
I don't see any of the remarks in this thread as doom and gloom. I see them as expressions of support and concern by dedicated supporters of Wingnuts and what the company is striving to achieve.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Point taken Rowan and I agree with everything you have said, except the bit about Roden being scared off by Wingnuts. I have had a lot of personal communications with Vladimir, the President of Roden, and he has assured me that they cannot compete with the quality and price of the Wingnut superb kits, so they will not be producing any new 1:32 scale WW1 aircraft kits in the foreseeable future. Yes, I have built all of Rodens 1:32 scale WW1 kits and found all of them to be quite buildable, they need some work but they do build up to be a very nice model. As far as comparing them to a Wingnuts kit, well, there is no comparison, it's like chalk and cheese, the Wingnuts DH.2 runs rings around the Roden DH.2, and the Wingnuts Hannover is such a remarkable kit that it just falls together, brilliant engineering.
I fully support Wingnuts 110% and really appreciate what they have done for the large scale WW1 aircraft modeler, yes, they will produce obscure types and they will sell, we have to remember that there is a die hard Wingnuts fan club out there who will buy anything Wingnuts produces. There are only two Wingnut kits that I have not purchased, but these will be added to my stash in short time, the quality and buildability of these kits is unequalled with each new release getting better and better.
I don't think this topic has turned to doom and gloom, all it is are members voicing their opinions, some are on a negative tone but the majority look at this as being a very interesting and enjoyable conversation thread. Most, in fact all, are backing Wingnuts, and rightfully so, they are giving us an excellent product with the promise of many more to come, the more obscure the better in my opinion.
All the wish lists that are floating around are great, and I can imagine in the years to come many of those aircraft will become fruition as kits by Wingnuts, we are in 1:32 scale modeling heaven at the moment and Wingnuts can be thanked for putting us there.
Making money, this is a bit of a sore point. Regardless of what people think a business is in business to make money, some don't make an enormous amount but they do have to cover costs, they don't go to all the trouble to produce and market a product just to give it away because they are nice guys. I don't know the business side of Wingnuts, they are extremely lucky to have the backing of Peter Jackson but even he would not be pumping enormous amounts of money into producing kits just for the fun of it, even if he only made one dollar per kit it is still not a loss.
Like you Rowan, I always look on the bright side of life, every day for me is a bonus and I take full advantage of each minute of each day. I love life, I love my wife and family, and I love modeling, I thoroughly enjoy running my website and forum and I love the interaction I have had with the forum members, life is good and Wingnuts have made it even better.
Des.
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Though not noted for my optimism nor for a consistently cheerful disposition I must go on the record as one who believes the WNW experience is all very good. We have been blessed with an incredible inventory of WWI topics of a quality far and away above the standards of only four years ago. This Logo has, IMHO, done more for the WWI niche of scale aircraft modelling then we've seen since injection molding drove the old Strombecker mixed medium Kits off the shelves. (And I mean no slur to those who work in the other arts of Vacuforms and Scratch Builds etc.)
There's been some excellent points/observations stated here, the TVAL statement and analogy being a great one when related to the comments on the need to at least cover business costs. I may be a hopeless idealist however I really believe the sponsor and benefactor of TVAL and WNW has very noble reasons for what he is doing. Break even is no sin when you are spearheading the preservation and promotion of History, and he gets my vote.
As far as the future releases, does anyone seriously think the HB29 would ever outsell the Albatros DV's? I think there will be more surprises and as said earlier, the Salmson is certainly not a cash cow................anything is possible. And then there's the between the Great Wars Period!
I'm with Rowan's closing remarks; the future is bright, we should be REAL happy, and "we ain't seen nuthin yet!
Cheers,
Lance :) ;)
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Strolls away whistling "always look on the bright side of life"........."
Just to lighten things up a bit, Rowan do I see another Monty Python fan in the crowd?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Sorry, Dave. I was not intending to label individuals as doom and gloomers - but just clumsily summing up a lot of the (in my view, unnecessary) angst and concern that 's being expressed in the thread, so please don't be personally offended.
You're obviously a much more serious person than I am but I hold a different view on the issue which I felt needed expressing. I'm absolutely certain that there really is no need to be concerned about the health of the WNW balance sheet or to assume that it must follow a conventional and simple business paradigm. Let them worry about that, they know what they're doing, I'd say. For all we know, it's a massive tax dodge, designed to behave like "Springtime for Hitler" and its success is a complete embarrassment! (Joke)
I think we can agree to hold different viewpoints on this, can't we? The only real difference between our "positions"is that I'm right, of course!
On a more serious note, I can say, with some certainty, that I have new customers every week who are arriving from other modelling genres - and not just aircraft either. This new blood is entirely down to Wingnuts and boy, are they enthusiastic! My product is difficult to buy (no website or retailers...and I don't keep things as up to date on the forum as I should) and "reassuringly expensive", so the fact that I'm seeing a good number of incomers to "our" corner of nicheland must mean that the overall influx of new WWI modellers is much more significant than I am seeing.
By the way, some of the annoying, spoiled brat, back row who are pleading and screaming for P-40's a la Wingnuts, are also buying their WWI kits. WNW are a phenomenon and sooner or later numbers of the die-hard I'll-never-build-a-biplane will cave in, just to see what the fuss is about. And once they're in.......
Yes Gregory!
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Hey Bo, as a committed Christian, I find your last post absolutely HILARIOUS! ;D You have amusingly demonstrated how seriously we WNW fans take these impending releases. :D It's good not to take OURSELVES too seriously though. Thanks for the injecting some fine humor!
As for me, I had modeled WWI subjects as a kid in the 60s, but it was noticing WNW reviews in modeling magazines that brought me back to the hobby. Once in again, as Rowan has noted, I beat a path to his "shop" and, after drooling all over everything, have been buying almost all of it in 1/32. Great stuff! I plan on staying optimistic . . . it's much more fun! Besides, even if WNW never released another new subject, I could still build Albies with Rowan's sheets for the rest of my mortal life, and be blissfully happy! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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I've persistantly stressed that WNW kits are THE state of the art for IM kits at this time. Not that some others do not make nice kits, but the total package WNW supplies is the best.
I think easy enough for WNW to work a few "classics" in with some new but less well-known machines.
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I think it is rather obvious WNW see the Fokker DVII as their money-making-kits. At least that would explain why those kits kost USD79, but even the new Snipe is sold for the "old" price (USD69), despite their recent "we have to raise our prices" campaign.
If you take your time reading comments from end of November last year, there were an awful lot busy complaining - not about any lack of quality, but about a lack of BMW-motored Fokkers. Isn't that weird? Instead of simply being happy that all three manufacturers were represented at once, there were still complaints.
Some of our crowd seem to take this much too seriously. For myself, i have no interest regarding the Snipe; nevertheless i was very happy yesterday to see WNW having surprised me, once again. And even the BMW-fans might be happy now with "their" kit beeing announced.
And yes, i would absolutely favour a release of the DFW CV. I think the C and B-types are really underrepresented.
Stefan
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I would like to see more early war and perhaps pre- WWI aircraft. Not being a historian my knowledge of these types is minimal, but the more fragile, open designs would make interesting models IMHO.
With WNW having released the Tripe, DVii (3x), DH2, Eindekker x2 and a combo set late last year, I was very surprised to see the Snipes so soon.
But then again, "no one expects......."
I wonder, what would be the "waffer thin mint" of WWI models? ;)
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I'm with you on this one Ian, early WW1 or even pre war machines would be great, these were the forerunners to the fighting machines and deserve to be preserved as a model, that is why I built my two scratch built models.
Des.
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Arf!
Now that gave me a chuckle - surprisingly good resemblance as well - at least the hair was until I had a haircut a few months back, although thinking about it, there also seem to be about a hundred pounds of avoir du pois missing - and the beard, where's my beard gone?... so not such a good representation at all..... but I am mostly cheerful in the face of crucifixion. Mostly.
Altogether now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdEMERq8MA
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:) :)
No blasphemy intended - just fun.
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... and all other manufacturers of aftermarket products....
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... and all other manufacturers of aftermarket products....
Why thank you, kind sir!
:D
vB
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Strolls away whistling "always look on the bright side of life"........."
Just to lighten things up a bit, Rowan do I see another Monty Python fan in the crowd?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
And, as our Lord JC (John Cleese) once said, "when two or three are gathered together in my name, they SHALL perform the 'Parrot Sketch'... "
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I think it is rather obvious WNW see the Fokker DVII as their money-making-kits. At least that would explain why those kits kost USD79, but even the new Snipe is sold for the "old" price (USD69), despite their recent "we have to raise our prices" campaign.
I think you will find the Fokker D7s have a lot more stuff in the box than the typical WNW single seater. More plastic (thick wings in two pieces etc) and then there are all those decals. The box feels about as heavy as the Rumpler. If you compare with the contents the Snipe kit (see online instruction sheet) the difference is pretty striking. So I think the price is justified.
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I agree Bo.
The box for the Late Fee, with the spare decals and used sprues AFTER I had finished building the model, was heavier than the new unopened Tripe!
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"...........and now for something completely different!"
The WNW Hannover kit is replendent with extra goodies, cameras, first aid kits, radios, ladders, tressles, a Teddy Bear, props, (albeit they are way too big for the Hannover, I have no idea what one would use those props for unless they were a "prop" for a diorama :-\). Maybe these are parts that were going to be put in the "Premier" editions of kits, but have found their way into the "garden variety" WNW kit.
I don't see "gloom and doom" on this forum either. I see concern, frustration, questions and lots and lots of speculation, humor, wit; but gloom and doom? Nah!
The folks at the club I belong to, the Twin Cities Aero Historians, (The premier modeling club in the greater upper midwest area) are excited about the WNW kits. Most of these folks are ardent WWII modelers, but there is much buzz about WNW kits. Some have even purchased them, some have even started them, but; to date, the only ones I have seen finished at the meetings are mine. I know that several of these good folks have also purchased decals from Rowan, again, I have yet to see one with Rowan's decals on the model. I can make the assumption that the models are being built and just not being brought to the meetings for show and tell and validation, but I won't. I suspect they are on their respective shelves of doom in the stash to be built at a time TBD by the modeler. Not building the model does not translate into lack of enthusiasm it just means they haven't built the model.
I would like to see more at the shows, I did see four last year at the show in Rochester MN, a Gotha, a NINAK, plus the two I brought for four total. I think when other non WWI modelers see these kits, be they Roden, WNW, Hobby Craft, or what have you, the interest is piqued and usually ends in up in a conversation and enthusiasm for the kit. So, I always bring a completed model to the meeting and the show, which is this Saturday 2 Feb. What am I saying? I don't know! "Deja Vu"
I agree with Rowan's last statement, once the "Will WNW release a P-40?" folks see these marvelous models, and that guys like me can build them, they will in turn run, not walk, to get theirs. The Snipe doesn't really hit my switch, but the Russian marked one hits a spot with me, and at some point, I will probably pop for one. What it really tells me is that WNW is serious about pumping these out, and that anything is possible if we just wait long enough.
Now to find a "Shrubbery"
Mark
A.K.A. Curmudgeon at large
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Ni! Ni! ;D
. . . the infection is spreading!
Regards,
Bob
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I suppose that we will see two new kits before April,1
Then they will announce the next group at the Model show in NZ
So plenty of space for spurious announcements on April, 1
what about showing the box of the forthcoming 1:32 zeppelin Staaken on this site? 8)
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For all we know, it's a massive tax dodge . . . and its success is a complete embarrassment! (Joke)
All joking aside, you make a very good point here Rowan. It's not outside the realm of possibility that it was created as a result of investment and tax implications. The joke would really be on us if its runaway success actually led to its downfall.
Cheers,
Chris
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No more talk please of tax dodging, tax evasion, tax write offs, the way Peter Jackson runs his business, TVAL and Wingnuts is his business and his alone, please get this topic back on track. Thanks guys.
Des - Administrator.
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Peter Jackson said, in a Windsock Magazine interview in Oct 2009 : "We are not driven by market forces, we just want to make kits that we enjoy building".
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Peter Jackson said, in a Windsock Magazine interview in Oct 2009 : "We are not driven by market forces, we just want to make kits that we enjoy building".
...and I'm with him all the way.
Von JackoFan!
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Peter Jackson said, in a Windsock Magazine interview in Oct 2009 : "We are not driven by market forces, we just want to make kits that we enjoy building".
...and I'm with him all the way.
Von JackoFan!
Me Too
Mark
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Peter Jackson said, in a Windsock Magazine interview in Oct 2009 : "We are not driven by market forces, we just want to make kits that we enjoy building".
Word of the Lord (of the Rings... ;D).
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I really like Peter Jacksons philosophy - we just want to make kits that we enjoy building - and with what they have produced to date I know I have certainly enjoyed building them, bring them on Sir Peter, the more the better.
Des.
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I agree with JastaB we need a WnW Halberstadt Cl.II! More ground attack subjects please.
Steve