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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: FAf on October 02, 2019, 06:09:08 AM
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So after having made my introduction, I now make my first contribution here.
Long ago, I liberated two models from the garage of a fellow modeller. The intention was to venture into WWI-modelling and especially try some new techniques like simulating wood. I made some progress on one of them, not without problems along the way, and then I think it stalled at the point where I was to attach the topwing and figure out how to rig it. Well, I've now resumed the builds and the goal is to finish them and learn along the way. Hints and tips will be happily accepted.
First up, some pictures of the D.III, unfortunately dustier than necessary. Built almost straight from the box, including the paint instructions. I've used Uschi van der Rosten's woodgrain decals, which was problematic in that they tended to lift from the surface when I masked over them. Rigged using Uschi's elastic thread and home cut Albion Alloy tubing - damn difficult to cut them consistently.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image363.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image364.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image365.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image366.jpg)
The black and white band came as a decal, but I masked and painted it instead. The masking of this then caused the woodgrain decal to lift and you can see my clumsy patching to the right of the fuselage band.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image367.jpg)
Here are a couple of pictures of the D.V. I was planning to use woodgrain decals here as well, but last night I made a go with oils instead. It came out a bit too dark I believe - it should be light birch plywood I believe. Apart from that, I'm quite pleased with the look.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image368.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image369.jpg)
/Fredrik
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Welcome!
Your wood looks nice, I like the structure of your oil version.
Cheers,
Frank
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Nice work on the D.III and the D.V is coming along wonderfully :) Very nice wood tones 8)
Terri
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Lovely Fredrik!
I’ve found if you want a plywood/ birch look the base coat has to be very light - almost white.
Great masking!
Guy
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Thank you Frank, Terri and Guy!
I'll keep on working on the wood tones, or rather, I will keep collecting tips and lessons for future builds. I'm at least quite happy with the look of the oils.
Guy: I suppose that I should go lighter on the base coat, but should I also go for another oil colour instead of burnt umber?
/Fredrik
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Yes!
Trial & error.. lighter shades, add some white & just have a test sheet of plastic and just experiment until you get the look you want.
I usually pre shade too, but this has to be very subtle.
Looks great though :D
Guy
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Your overall weathering and toning down of the decal colors is very good.
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Both are coming along beautifully! I really like your use of the oils on the DV. I am looking forward to the next update!
RAGIII
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Your overall weathering and toning down of the decal colors is very good.
Thank you RAGIII and Kensar!
The reason for the decals being toned down and in line with the other painting and weathering, is that there are no decals on yet. The markings are either painted using masks or ordinary tape. I did forget to put some decals on though, so I need to clear coat again and sort that.
/Fredrik
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Coming along nicely Fredrik.
Will you bring these or the WnW Albies to the sunday meeting? ;)
/Bjarne
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Hi Bjarne! Thank you and yes, probably! I'm still a bit stuck on whether to go with Bob's buckles or Gaspatch buckles for the WnW Albatros, so it'll probably remain asleep for a while. /F
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Well, I was referring to your D.III. The wood tones on the D.V look the part. I will be following along on your build. :)
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Hi!
Two really pleasant build! I like "oils" wood more than "decals" one, people that commented before myself wrote what you need to obtain light wooden finishes.
Black and white marking on the D.III fuselage are realized in a fantastic way.
Many congrats!
Roberto
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Well, I was referring to your D.III. The wood tones on the D.V look the part. I will be following along on your build. :)
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Yes of course! My mistake, I didn't think of the woodgrain decals...
/Fredrik
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Thank you Frank, Terri and Guy!
I'll keep on working on the wood tones, or rather, I will keep collecting tips and lessons for future builds. I'm at least quite happy with the look of the oils.
Guy: I suppose that I should go lighter on the base coat, but should I also go for another oil colour instead of burnt umber?
/Fredrik
Fredrik,
I'd say yes to both; try a test piece using Raw Sienna oil instead of the "reddish" Burnt Umber for the streaking to get the lighter "rich honey" tone of varnished but unstained wood, I think you'll like the results on your next one. Here's an example:
(https://i.imgur.com/sPfMnZO.jpg)
Lovely work and especially on that black and white checkered fuselage band.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you for the suggestions, Lance! I'll pick up a tube of raw sienna and give it a try. Your model looks great! /Fredrik
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So progress has been slower than hoped for, but small steps also take you in the right direction. I didn't really fancy trying to change the wood finish on the D.V so I just kept on going with the colours I started out with. The fuselage wood is done now and there has been some masking for the green stripes on the tail as well. Next up should be clear coat, some decals and then some masking... /Fredrik
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image377.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image378.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image379.jpg)
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Looking lovely Fredrik ;D
Guy
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Looks great and it seems you love advanced masking. ;D
Robin
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Just found this - welcome to the forum and what a start! Two first class models and considering that you are still learning how to achieve wood effects, you are doing extremely well. The Albatro V is going to be a show stopper when it is finished.
Stephen.
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Just My Opinion but I think the wood looks AWESOME! ;D
RAGIII
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Thank you all for the positive comments!
Just found this - welcome to the forum and what a start! Two first class models and considering that you are still learning how to achieve wood effects, you are doing extremely well. The Albatro V is going to be a show stopper when it is finished.
Stephen.
Stephen, I'm more pleased with the results than I thought I would be, even if I don't consider them first class. The pair of them had been sitting half built in a box for years before I started with this blog. And you know how it is, suddenly you don't really understand why the build stalled in the first place... there wasn't that much more to do, so why wasn't it finished?!
Just My Opinion but I think the wood looks AWESOME! ;D
RAGIII
Well, even if it is just Your opinion, I still value it! Thanks! I realise that it's difficult not to make the wood panels connect over the panels. I should probably have masked off each to avoid having the brush strokes travel across. Next time!
/F
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Not to bad at all actually , really like your tones with in the wood :)
Terri
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I, too, like the rich wood tones.
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Thank you Terri and Kensar, sorry for the late reply.
Things are moving forward with the D.V - green paint and decals. I was a little careless when masking for the green. You can see the diffuse areas where the surfaces change direction. Look at it from 40 or more centimetres and it looks fine. I have a hunch that something is wrong with Eduard's lozenge decals, but didn't bother checking if that's the case this time. If anyone knows, feel free to enlighten me even if I won't change anything this time.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image387.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image388.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image386.jpg)
/Fredrik
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Despite the very minor masking mistake....the tail looks beautiful.
Besides...the photo's you're showing are much larger than the kit, so I guess the little mistakes are hardly visible "IRL".
The lozenge looks off, but what's right?
I like the lozenge made by MicroSculpt, Aviattic and Mirage, but that's because I find them "pleasing to the eye", not because I know they're accurate.
Lozenge is a subject of endless debate and I don't think we'll ever see the end of it. :P
Robin :)
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Sunglasses on!
Tail looks lovely Fredrik.
As for lozenge, the Wingnuts version looks a little too bold and blocky to my eye. Aviattic and others do alternatives. Aviattic also do cookie cut lozenge (cut to shape) for the Alby, and a faded version that looks awesome to me!
Great job though.. Wood looks super too..
Guy
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Despite the very minor masking mistake....the tail looks beautiful.
Besides...the photo's you're showing are much larger than the kit, so I guess the little mistakes are hardly visible "IRL".
Thanks Robin! One thing about mistakes is that you know that they are there and then one usually has the bad habit of telling others that they are there... I do it all the time when it comes to things done in the house. "Yes thank you, the new wallpaper looks good, but look here..." Sorry about that, I'll stop right away! :D
Sunglasses on!
Tail looks lovely Fredrik.
As for lozenge, the Wingnuts version looks a little too bold and blocky to my eye. Aviattic and others do alternatives. Aviattic also do cookie cut lozenge (cut to shape) for the Alby, and a faded version that looks awesome to me!
Great job though.. Wood looks super too..
Guy
Thanks Guy! How is the Bf 109 coming along?
I am generally pleased with the look of the Albi - wood and lozenge. The wood might be a bit too dark for birch and the lozenge a bit stark, but in the end all that matters is that I end up with a good looking model. Professionally I'm really keen on things like source criticism and historical facts, but when building models I've come to the conclusion that trying to be correct is likely to just get in the way of finishing the job. I'll probably try other lozenge manufacturers in the future, but for variation rather than correctness - thank you for the tips.
More progress made - it was time for markings.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image389.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image390.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/eduard/1-48-albatros-d-iii-d-v/image391.jpg)
Both of them might actually be finished soon!
/Fredrik
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Nice!
Uhmm....you masked "Stropp" also? :o
Robin :)
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Even though Eduards loz is way off , the green with in does blend nicely with the green in the tail . She looks good ;D
Terri
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Thank you Robin and Terri!
Yes, "Stropp" is also painted on using masks. You can see some small inconsistencies in the width of the white outlines, but that isn't all bad. First painted on markings look more lifelike due to their non perfect looks I think and second, painted markings behave differently from decals when it comes to weathering and other treatments. That is to say, painted on markings behave like the rest of the model.
Yes Terri, she does look good and I'll be happy to put this on a shelf once I'm finished! Just some rigging to go and a bit of weathering possibly.
/Fredrik
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More brilliant masking and painting! Looks excellent!
RAGIII
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After a bit of a stand still in the hobby room, I can now show you that I consider both of these builds as finished! Just two images of the completed build here and later some more in the Completed models section. One reason for the standstill was a lack of image hosting possibilities - sorted now I hope, so this is a bit of a test of that as well. /Fredrik
(http://almlof.eu/Eduard/Albatros%20D.III%20and%20D.V/image392.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Eduard/Albatros%20D.III%20and%20D.V/image411.jpg)
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Beautiful results Fredrik!
Well done...
Guy
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Wonderful!
Not only an amazing job with the masking...they look great.
You already hae plans for a new build?
Robin :)
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Awesome results. I enjoyed following your builds!
RAGIII
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Great looking results, Fredrik.
I have line drawings from the Smithsonian museum of the Stropp Fokker, where it resides today.
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Two great models Fredrik, both came out beautifully. I especially love the warm wooden tones of the fuselages.
Andreas
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First up, some pictures of the D.III, unfortunately dustier than necessary. Built almost straight from the box, including the paint instructions. I've used Uschi van der Rosten's woodgrain decals, which was problematic in that they tended to lift from the surface when I masked over them. Rigged using Uschi's elastic thread and home cut Albion Alloy tubing - damn difficult to cut them consistently.
Nice models Fredrik,they turned out very well indeed.If you go to Des' turnbuckle article on the homepage you will find a tube cutting jig towards the end-makes it simple to get consistent results.
Cheers,
Dave.
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I join the enthusiastic comments above: two great models, woodgrain is really convincing and painting is first class.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thank you all!
I'm quite pleased with these first efforts! There is room for improvement, but when isn't there?! I might have a look at that cutting jig for tubes or simply go to Bob's. Thanks for the tip anyway!
No real plan for the next build. It might be another Albatros or a Pup. I'm leaning towards the Pup at the moment. Ohh, it could be a camel as well...
I'm just about to put some pictures up in Completed models.
/Fredrik