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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: dtomko on October 16, 2014, 12:19:08 AM
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Hi everyone,
Long time no post. Busy summer and busier fall!
I've gotten back to my Udet Albatros collection in 1/48 - started this over on another forum. The D.Vs and D.Va are almost ready for final assembly. I've also started the other D.III (one is completed).
More pics coming.
Drew
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Very great work and paint.
Martin
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Drew,
Nice to see you back on these and bringing the build here!
RAGIII
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Drew,
Nice to see you back on these and bringing the build here!
RAGIII
Same here, Drew! Really looking forward to following these beauties to completion.
Cheers,
Bud
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Excellent work on all the models Drew, looking forward to following along.
Des.
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Drew,
Nice to see you back on these and bringing the build here!
RAGIII
Same here, Drew! Really looking forward to following these beauties to completion.
Cheers,
Bud
Same here as well Drew ;D
Terri
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I remember this, it will be good to see you finish them.
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They are looking very nice Drew. Hope to see lots of photos real soon. Great collection 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks everyone!
I am glad to back to these and making good progress. I'll have more photos later tonight.
Drew
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Here are a few close ups: The black D.Va with water-cooled manifold.
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Silver D.V with gun troughs.
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Natural varnished D.V
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One more, I tried to replicate the scraped off weights table.
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Drew,
The closeups reminded me just how outstanding these builds are!
RAGIII
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Like Rick.
Martin
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Very, very nice, Drew. I'm thinking of building a number of Udet's mounts in 1/32 . . . finishing up the first one now.
Has anyone compiled a listing of all of the planes flown by Udet?
Mark G
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Thanks again, everyone.
Mark, I've seen a couple of lists of Udet's machines, but there are some questions. I'm trying to do as many as possible in 1/48. So far I have one albatross D.III, one Fokker D.VII, the D.VIII, and old and needing to be replaced Fokker E.III and triplane. From what I've read, Udet flew at least: a Taube, Aviatik B.III, 2 or 3 Eindekkers (E. II and IIIs), 2 Fokker D. IIs, 2 Albatros D. IIIs, 2 D. Vs, 1 D.Va, 3 Fokker Dr.Is, and at least 3 Fokker D.VIIs in combat. He flew the SSW D. III but in combat, and the Fokker D. VIII after the war. Oh, and he flew a captured Spad VII.
That's enough to keep me busy for the rest of my life!
Drew
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Correction: 2 Fokker D. IIIs, one with the tin fake observer head behind the cockpit.
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Thanks for the info, Drew!
I know what you mean . . . multiple lifetimes for me!
Mark G
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Small update: got the gunsight and flare rack on 4476.
Drew
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It looks realy good.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin.
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Awesome work, Drew! Looks like the WNW kit.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks, Bud! It looks better in the photos than in real life!
Drew
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I agree with Bud. I forgot it was 48th. Sweet looking Albi so far.
Dan
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Thanks, Dan!
Just about ready to attach the top wings.
Drew
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And another
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And the last one.
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Fantastic painting of all planes.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin.
Drew
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Drew, they all look great, but I love the varnished wood fuselage. Did I miss a discussion of your technique to achieve that finish?
Chris
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Great models! And a very interesting idea to display this bunch of famous birds side by side.
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Thanks again!
Chris, I started these builds over on the Great War in the Air Forum before it shut down. If it ever gets up again I will post the links.
My technique for the wood is pretty simple. I sprayed Misterkit German clear doped linen as the base, then applied oil burnt sienna with a tooth pick and wiped over panel by panel with a paper towel. Nothing fancy, but tried to get the grain effect. I did a few panels on each side and let them dry before moving to the adjacent panels. After a week or so of drying I airbrushed Tamiya clear yellow and clear orange. Then a coat of Future, decals, and a coat of satin. On the second D.III I'm doing I used Uschi's woodgrain decals. They are amazing and I think that's the way I'm going from now on.
Drew
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Drew,
All are looking beautiful!
RAGIII
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Getting ready to attach the top wing.
Drew
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Drew,
Thanks for the reply, that technique works well for you. I look forward to seeing what you do with the Uschi decals.
Chris
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Big thumbs Drew ! 8)
Terri
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Very nice update Drew.
Martin
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Looking good Drew!
RAGIII
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Getting ready to attach the top wing.
Drew
The project is coming along beautifully, Drew. Is the
Silbergrau the MisterKit paint?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks, all!
Ernie, the silver is Vallejo Aluminum with an overcoat of Micro Satin to knock the shine down a bit.
Top wing is now glued on. Phew! Always a bit hairy for me. Rigging is in the lower holes and needs to be tightened and glued. I also painted the wheels today.
Drew
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Isn't it such a relief to get that top wing on. Things are looking really good Drew.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Real nice trio you have going !
Ed
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Thanks again! Yes, getting the top wing on properly is always stressful!
Round two.
Drew
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Lovely birds.
Martin
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Excellent work Drew!
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The assembly line tonight. Rigging is tightened on the aluminum D.V; radiator pipes added; spinner backplate done. next up: landing gear.
Top wing is attached to the D.Va.
Tailskids almost done; wheels need a bit more work.
Drew
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That is a great looking set!
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Thanks!
A little progress. Here are a few close ups.
Drew
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And another . . .
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And one more
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All three are shaping very nicely Drew 8)
Terri
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Thanks, Terri!
Here are a couple more of the most completed.
Drew
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And another
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Very great work Drew.
Martin
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Drew,
all three are looking terrific! The first photo could be mistaken for a WNW DV! Your rigging is also looking great, very scalelook to it!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Martin and Rick!
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Getting closer with number one.
Drew
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She is very beautiful.
Martin
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Looks Stunning Drew!
RAGIII
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It's a nice idea and an excellent realization
Dric
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Beautiful work, Drew. Quite a project and you are doing great!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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A quite interesting exercise to show variations in rib tape colors, a wooden fuselage or a silver doped Alby. Very nice collection and beautiful models.
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Thanks again, everyone! Yes, modeling Udet's machines allows a variety of finishes for each type.
Just about to call this one a wrap. Working on the pennants now and a few little things and then I'll get better photos.
Drew
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It is an exellent build, like it.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin.
Drew
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Drew, That is a very well done Udet Albie! Your series build is really terrific! As a modeler who likes to build collections I appreciate the theme you have going!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick!
Drew
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Last couple for tonight: the leader's pennants made from aluminum foil and colored with Sharpies. I draped the left side one over the tailplane to hide a paint glitch I couldn't fix :)
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And the prop factory, each grained slightly differently. Painted with Radome tan, then masked and sprayed with red-brown Tamiya acrylics. Lightly overcoated with raw sienna oil for woodgrain and Future to seal them.
Drew
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well Drew, Great update! I wish I could master props the way you have!
RAGIII
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A couple shots of the first completed. I'll take more and post them in the Completed Models section.
Drew
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And another
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Another
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_0980.jpg)
Drew
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Drew you have build an exellent plane.
Martin
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Looks great!
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Hello I like very much this topic for many reasons:
1) I like the way you work
2) I'm a 1/48 defender behind the 1/32 wnw tsunami ( 1/32 modelers, I'm joking ;))
3) I like very much your thematic of a pilot's planes. I used the same way with Jean Navarre french pilot.
4) I like albatros planes
so keep going on, I'm fan!
one thing. I'm not a german aeroplane specialist. As I say before I like albatross plane and I'm loocking for decorations.
Rhe jasta V planes have sometime wooden fuselage and most of time light grey fuselage.
Doyou think this light grey was in reality silver colout?
in other world, is there any relation between those light grey fuselage and your udet's pnale silver fuselage ?
Xan
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Thanks, everyone!
Xan, just about all the Albatros D.IIIs, D.Vs, and D.Vas came from the factories with varnished natural wood fuselages. However, a few came from the factory with this silver gray finish. There are photos of one or two others besides Udet's. This is probably the same finish applied to most Pfalz machines. The grey on Jasta V machines was most likely a more regular grey applied in the field, not nearly as shiny.
Drew
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OK, thanks
Xan
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Moving along, I finally got the wind generator scratched for the D.Va.
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1026.jpg)
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And a couple more:
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1036.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1038.jpg)
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Calling this one done. More photos in the Completed Models section.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1057.jpg)
Drew
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The best shot.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1042.jpg)
Drew
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And a couple group shots.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1082.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1073.jpg)
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Either of those on its own would make for a job well done, but as a set, they are even better!
Chris
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Absolutely BEAUTIFUL!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Chris and Rick!
Drew
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Round three: top wing is on.
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/Alb3.jpg)
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Round three is looking great! This is perhaps my favorite of the schemes as I really like the WOOD fuselage on Albatros Fighters! The black and white striped tail adds just enough flare for the scheme to look awesome!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick. I'm with you; this is my favorite of Udet's Albatros machines.
Drew
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this is my favorite of Udet's Albatros machines.
Mine too. The black and white tail, the Tarnstoff and the wooden fuselage make for a very nice contrast.
Stefan
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The second plane is very great. The third goes to a very beautiful way Drew.
Martin
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Thumbs up Drew , this one is turning out to be my favorite 8)
Terri
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Drew, the Udet collection is absolutely wonderful!
You have an amazing touch and it keeps getting
better...the Albatros looks superb. Well done!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks, everyone!
Closing in on this one. Rigging is almost done and engine plumbing added. Just need a couple more lines and then the landing gear.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1089.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1086.jpg)
Drew
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Very good rigging Drew.
Martin
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Hi Drew, really like the Udet Albatros collection. I did not see your start of these builds on the other forum. What did you use for the decals on the black DVa? I would like to do one of these for my collection but have been unable to find a set of decals for this one.
Thanks
Dave C
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Thanks, Martin and Dave.
Dave, I made my own decals for the black D.Va from white decal sheet. The chevrons and LO were pretty easy. For the U. on the lower wing, I had a set of Lifelike decals for the silver D.V. They had a black U. so I traced that on white decal sheet. FCM had a sheet with markings for the black D.va but they might be OOP. I made chevrons for the upper wing, as Wingnuts has an option for on their 1/32 sheet. I never liked the white stripes as this machine is usually depicted, as Udet was using a chevron for his personal markings.
Drew
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Count me with Rick and the others... that 3rd aircraft is my favorite as well. Really nice work, Drew.
Chris
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This one is looking terrific! Excellent rigging!
RAGIII
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Thanks again!
Another build that keeps fighting me >:( Two rigging lines popped out of the upper wing and I had to pull them and re drill the bottom holes again. Anyway the landing gear is on and hopefully I can finish pretty quickly now.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/image.jpg3.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/image.jpg2.jpg)
Drew
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Stunning work Drew.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin!
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And my goal of modeling all the known Albatrossen flown by Udet is within reach (cue maniacal evil scientist laughter)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/image.jpg1_6.jpg)
Drew
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Very great builds Drew.
Martin
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Thanks, Martin!
And I'm done!
More photos coming.
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1130.jpg)
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A few more shots. The light wasn't so good this morning, so I'll get better shots in a day or two.
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1141.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1140.jpg)
Group shot:
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1144.jpg)
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An exellent group of planes Drew.
Martin
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Thank you, Martin.
Drew
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Beautiful set of Albatri, or is it Albatrosen? Very nice!
George
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That's a beautiful "gaggle", Drew, lovely work on all of them. Your paint and detail work is superb, nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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The last one is stunning and really sets off the whole group!
RAGIII
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Excellent job, Drew! The "honey-coloured" Alby is a favourite of mine
and yours is just gorgeous. Congratulations on a great collection of
Udet's steeds.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi!
Very nice work all over on so many kits!
That's very good. However I think the grey parts need a bit weathering. Some paint chipping would add greatly to your beautiful models.
congrats!
Ciao
IWik
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Thanks all! Much appreciated.
Iwik, I did a bit of shading and some chipping; it's pretty much washed out by the lousy photos. I'll try to get better shots, and it could use a bit more up front.
Drew
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A couple better shots.
Drew
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1156.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1154.jpg)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/tomkos/WW%20I%20Models/100_1171.jpg)
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Beautiful wood fuse on LO!
George
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Awesome!
Chris
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Really beautiful models. I love the mix of natural wood and lozenges.
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Thanks!
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very nice job on these models, i love to see 1/48 builds this is my favorite scale.
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Thanks! I'm pretty much committed to 1/48; it's a nice balance between being able show enough detail and not taking up too much room on the shelf.
Drew
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Excellent batch and truly beautiful models. Since i'm also currently building Udet's black D-Va, I was wondering if you had information about the chevrons on the upper wing rather than simple white stripes? Their front end is visible on the pic of this plane after its crash landing, but that doesn't tell whether it was stripes or chevrons. And despite I have collected four more pics of that bird, none shows this clearly.
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A beautiful collection of Albatros aircraft Drew all perfectly finished off.
Des.
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Thanks again!
Vincent, there's no photo that shows what the top wing on the D.Va looked like. Although it's usually been shown as stripes, Wingnut Wings suggest it could have been chevrons and in the photo of the machine crashed and upside down, it does appear that perhaps there's a slight widening toward the top of the wing from the front. I went with chevrons because that was Udet's personal marking and they are on this machine on the front fuselage.
Drew
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Like a perfect builds Drew.
Martin
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Fantastic stuff Drew, I missed the scale in the title and I thought these were 1/32!
4476/17 is my favourite I think - forgive me if I've missed it, did you paint the plywood fuse or use decals? It looks fantastic.
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Thanks, Martin and Zac!
Zac, I painted the fuselage, oils over a tan base.
Drew
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Thanks for the information Drew.
I went with chevrons because that was Udet's personal marking and they are on this machine on the front fuselage.
yes that sounds logical, when there is no such reason for stripes. Anyway it's not that important on my own model since it will be shown upside down as on the crash pics. But if you had had positive info about chevrons, I would've chosen this option.
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That's going to make a terrific diorama!
The other possibility is that the stripes angle outward, creating one chevron on the wing. That was done on other machines, though not Udet's.
Drew
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Thanks. The main idea is to give a sight to the lowerside lozenges, which in my opinion are the most beautiful. Considering the position of the aircraft, I'm not sure if the upperwing's trailing edge will be visible, in fact I hope not.
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Among the pics I have of Udet's black D-Va, I don't often watch this one since it is blurry and doesn't show many details. But taking again a look at it, I noticed that the upperwing stripes actually seem to be angled, but the point of the chevron would rather be at the rear end.
(http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/11/49/47/92/_doc_p17.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2274)
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To me it looks as though the bands get wider on both sides going toward the top of the wing. This would make these the forward points of two chevrons, as Wingnut Wings show as an alternate. It is very hard to tell, though.
Drew
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...and couldn't it be the same kind of "U" as under the left lower wing?? If you take a look at that U, the top of both branches are slightly wider and rounded, and it would probably look like what you can see on the pic I've posted.
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Hmmmm, that would be a pretty wide U! I think the most likely markings are two chevrons, or two stripes that angle outward from the leading edge.
Drew
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You're right, not only that 'U' would be pretty wide but it's base would be cut by the upperwing cockpit cutout...
two stripes that angle outward from the leading edge.
They also seem to angle inward...
So as a conclusion, the only way it would seem to be angling both outward and inward at the same time would be:
the most likely markings are two chevrons
...pointing towards the leading edge.