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Title: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Flip Hendrickx on February 04, 2013, 08:25:58 AM: Hi all,

paid a little visit to the army museum in Brussels (about 5 minutes away from my home)
The museum has an interesting collection of WW1 planes and artefacts. Some of the planes are still in unrestored condition, some others are restored or currently under restoration.
Apart from the aircraft hall, the museum has an enormous collection of WWI uniforms, weapons, tanks, cannons, etc.
If you ever plan to visit Brussels, make sure this museum is on your itinerary. (free admission by the way :-))

They have an LVG as well that is under restauration, but it wasn't accessible at this time.

If anyone want's close up pictures of any of the planes, let me know. I would be happy to help you out with that.

Regards

Philippe

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Misteryplane_zps40fcb3a6.jpg)
This beautifully restored pre war plane was in the back of the hall, apart from the exhibition. Anyone who knows what it is?

Yes Philippe, it is a 1911 Battaille

Des.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/HanriotSilver_zps05a06b80.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Hanriot2_zps1dfd96af.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Hanriot_zpsd143e873.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Halberstadt_zpsab151903.jpg)
A Halberstadt that will be restored soon. They took the wings off last summer. It still had the original lozenge.

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Halberstadt2_zps3607fbe8.jpg)
registration code of the Halberstadt

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Camel2_zpsa365739f.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Camel_zps853d17d9.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/SpadFront_zpsff32a868.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/SPAD_zps38030bf8.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Strutter_zps52119b48.jpg)
Sopwith 1/1/2 strutter

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Caudron2_zpsee701e33.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Caudron_zps50f282d7.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Gothaengine3_zps41c76935.jpg)
Gotha bomber engine

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Gothaengine2_zps61764bc1.jpg)

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/BristolHispanoSuiza_zpsbb1d1d03.jpg)
Bristol fighter with Hispano Suiza engine

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/RE8-2_zps92330712.jpg)
RE8

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Schreck_zpsa0133756.jpg)
Schreck flying boat

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Morane2_zps8dfd7f13.jpg)
Morane Saulnier

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/Morane_zps184f8ec6.jpg)
Another Morane Saulnier

(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o789/Flip_Hendrickx/Army%20museum%20brussels/GothaBombs_zps04920886.jpg)
German bombs (from a Gotha) in their original paint.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: pepperman42 on February 04, 2013, 08:43:54 AM: Thats an interesting collection they have. Thanks for sharing.

Steve
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Des on February 04, 2013, 09:43:49 AM: Thanks very much for posting these images, what a wonderful collection. I was very pleased to see the Caudron as this will be my next scratch build.

Des.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: uncletony on February 04, 2013, 10:32:48 AM: I'm seen quite a few photos of their Hanriot and Strutter, but most of the others are new to me. Thanks so much for posting these.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: ermeio on February 05, 2013, 12:18:47 AM: Thank you for those photos, Philippe.
I've been in Bruxelles in December and the first floor galerie was closed :-(
I hope to have a second chance soon
best regards
er me
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Flip Hendrickx on February 05, 2013, 01:12:27 AM: @Des: if you need close ups or measurements of the Caudron, let me know :-)

@ermeio: Yep, they sometimes close the first floor off because of lack of museum guards. Pretty annoying. Next time when you are in Brussels, let me know. Maybe we can meet up at the museum :-)

Cheers

Philippe (Flip)
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: ermeio on February 05, 2013, 05:01:59 AM: Quote from: Flip Hendrickx on February 05, 2013, 01:12:27 AM
@Des: if you need close ups or measurements of the Caudron, let me know :-)

@ermeio: Yep, they sometimes close the first floor off because of lack of museum guards. Pretty annoying. Next time when you are in Brussels, let me know. Maybe we can meet up at the museum :-)

Cheers

Philippe (Flip)
Thank You, Flip
I will let you know in advance
best regards
er me
Title: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: James on February 07, 2013, 05:25:30 AM: Those are some amazing photos. Thank you so much for sharing them. I love the Hanriot photos as well as the bombs from a Gotha. I would love to go to Brussels one day and visit the museum.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Amelia Earhart on April 04, 2013, 11:23:05 PM: These photos are awesome, what a great collection. Thanks for sharing! :)

Cheers
A.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Jamo on April 05, 2013, 04:26:57 AM: Thanks for taking the time to post your photos here Flip. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Nigel Jackson on April 05, 2013, 05:31:52 AM: Thanks Flip.

What interests me is the battered state of the lower front cowl ring on the SPAD. I have an Eduard SPAD to build and if the kit part ended up anything like that I'd be cursing myself, adding filler and sanding down like a madman. Which just goes to show ...

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: GAJouette on April 05, 2013, 09:43:28 AM: Filip,
What a wonderful collection your museum has.Thanks so much for sharing these with us. I wonder though are they all restored originals?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Ssasho0 on April 05, 2013, 04:30:05 PM: Philippe,
thanks for posting those wonderfull pictures. I will be in Brussel from 17 to 19th Apr (in two weeks ) and will do my best to visit it (Business trips with tight schedule doesn't always have the luxury of free time) :(.

Best regards,
Sasho
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Rizzo on April 05, 2013, 06:15:45 PM: Great pictures, thanks for posting!

Quote from: GAJouette on April 05, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
Filip,
What a wonderful collection your museum has.Thanks so much for sharing these with us. I wonder though are they all restored originals?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

I don't know about the others, but the Camel there is one of the few original aircraft left in the world
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Adam on April 05, 2013, 11:16:07 PM: I was in this museum two times, 2010 and 2012. All this planes are very impressive for me, especially elements of the German Zeppelin.
I also have a lot of pictures and if someone will need I can help.

Adam.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: drdave on April 06, 2013, 04:34:19 AM: I was there just a couple of weeks ago for a conference, but didn't have a camera. Regrettably some of the exhibits are getting rather shabby. I would have happily paid to go in.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: ermeio on November 23, 2013, 08:02:49 AM: Quote from: ermeio on February 05, 2013, 05:01:59 AM
Quote from: Flip Hendrickx on February 05, 2013, 01:12:27 AM
@Des: if you need close ups or measurements of the Caudron, let me know :-)

@ermeio: Yep, they sometimes close the first floor off because of lack of museum guards. Pretty annoying. Next time when you are in Brussels, let me know. Maybe we can meet up at the museum :-)

Cheers

Philippe (Flip)
Thank You, Flip
I will let you know in advance
best regards
er me

Well, Flip
It is very likely that I'm in brussels from december 10 to 12.
I'm afraid I don't have enough time to visit the museum, but i'll do my best.
Ermeio
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Ernie on November 23, 2013, 08:14:36 AM: Wonderful photos, Phillipe. Thank you so much for sharing them
with us.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Dave in Dubai on November 24, 2013, 05:25:12 PM: Hi,

Used to visit this museum regularly several years ago...the Halberstadt was intact then,

Does anyone know what progress is being made on it's restoration?

Phillipe's photos show the fuselage minus the wings and propeller....thank you Phillipe :)

A google search shows a chap who seemed to be involved with the restoration...he has a website and a few pictures but it has all gone very quiet.

Would be interested to hear if any work is still being carried out and what the state of play is?
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Adam on November 27, 2013, 03:24:35 AM: I was in August 2012 in this museum. some pictures of Halberstadt.

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01060_zps61b6de7e.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01065_zps2125d611.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01062_zps22d81e74.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01066_zpsb04c8bbb.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01064_zps8b0e6d61.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01063_zps28351c70.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01070_zps8edf4bbf.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01075_zps56cde39d.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01068_zps387bacb7.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01073_zps020ae3c0.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01074_zps8f0eaba8.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01077_zpsd403cdc1.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01076_zpsb5dc48dc.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01071_zps408a37ba.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01081_zps67813a82.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01082_zps2df59522.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01084_zps52cf44e2.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01086_zps4fc9ce0c.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC01085_zps6775e102.jpg)

Adam.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: uncletony on November 27, 2013, 04:08:12 AM: Awesome! Thanks Adam!
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Des on November 27, 2013, 06:34:35 AM: Fantastic photos Adam, thank you for posting them.

Des.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: pepperman42 on November 28, 2013, 10:23:33 AM: Great pictures. I take it the restoration is on hold though.

Steve
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Ernie on November 28, 2013, 04:19:26 PM: Thanks for posting the photos, Adam. Good stuff!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Adam on November 28, 2013, 06:49:21 PM: Thank you my friends. :)

And now maybe these pictures will be useful for someone who will be making Zeppelin scratch build. ;)
As part of war reparations Belgium got this airship.

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00765_zps27c6fc5d.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00764_zps67f3b0d1.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00763_zps298668d8.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00762_zps461c8585.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00767_zps142907b6.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00770_zps91770d19.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00775_zps2e92c132.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00776_zpsd9769662.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00778_zpse31f7bf7.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00779_zpsa11b8ab3.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00784_zps9039628c.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00785_zpsc79c32b4.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00787_zpsf2125516.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00788_zps6ab6462f.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00790_zpsd1590312.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00791_zps1bb029d6.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00792_zps1d33f150.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00793_zps20ccd3c9.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00794_zps48f707fa.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00795_zps14720bfb.jpg)

I think this engine also belongs to this Zeppelin

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00796_zpsd1c79f1c.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00806_zps1dceeeb1.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00805_zps8b106d0c.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00804_zps8e990d56.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00802_zpsef727225.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00799_zpsaf518bd6.jpg)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv186/AlbatrosDIII/mDSC00797_zps1c70fc50.jpg)

Adam.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 28, 2013, 10:20:01 PM: Very interesting Adam. Thanks for posting them.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: uncletony on November 28, 2013, 11:54:31 PM: Wow, those are neat pictures. It all looks so... Heavy.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Des on November 29, 2013, 08:32:21 AM: Thanks Adam for posting those remarkable photos, all very interesting and I had the same thoughts as Bo, it sure looks heavy.

Des.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: LindsayT on November 29, 2013, 01:49:16 PM: When I see pictures like that, I try to put myself in the shoes of the pilot that would be seeing that technology for the first time. Even though it looks heavy to us, was the pilot walking around slack jawed at all the incredible technology available to him? Was this the carbon fibre, glass cockpit, fly by wire bird of it's day? I bet he looked around and marvelled that there was so little wood. "What a fascinating modern age we live in!"
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Adam on November 29, 2013, 06:07:03 PM: My friends.
I agree with you that the construction of our point of view it looks heavy. But as wrote LindsayT for pilots of that time it is very modern, in comparison with steam ships with their point of view, it is very light, openwork design. I just admire the execution of its openwork structure of the fuselage. In those days precise making fuselage of the airship was a real big challenge.

Adam.
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Dave in Dubai on November 30, 2013, 09:14:31 PM: Adam,

Thanks for the pictures of the Halberstadt.

On the subject of airships...

I came across this amazing model of airships under construction as displayed in the Deutsche Museum in Munich:

(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QKCpZTGgXHM/UomcFXAkJsI/AAAAAAAASFc/BIUARplJGio/s1024-no/IMAGE_414.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Ernie on November 30, 2013, 09:17:11 PM: Thanks for the Zeppelin photos, Adam. The amount of machinery surprised
me. I had no idea the workings were as such. Much appreciated.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: WW1 aircraft Brussels Army Museum
Post by: Adam on November 30, 2013, 10:02:26 PM: Dave.

Thank you for this interesting picture it explaining how this giant was build.
Looking at this picture I thought, how long would be this airship in 1:32 scale ? I looked at the data of the airship, I took a calculator in hand and counted, the result 6,19 m :o my room is about 5 m does not have a chance to make his model :( and were longer airships.

Adam.