Thanks, Lance...I'll look for the Jones book being as how he was a squadron mate, accomplished ace himself and good chum of Major Mick so must of had quite a bit of first hand experience to offer....how often do you get that formula in a biography? And yeah, Ray...Mannock broke an unwritten rule and paid for it...but from what I gather, exactly how he died still hasn't really been resolved so I'm keen to learn more. -M