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Offline IanB

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RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« on: March 31, 2016, 07:17:14 AM »
I know, I must be mad...but hot on the heels of the Roland I felt I had to butcher some more plastic, and this one is one of the best candidates for that treatment!
 This is a fairly new boxing, and it looks as thought the moulds have been cleaned up as most of the details are very crisp. It's a shame most of it will have to be removed anyway! The decals are new and include a Belgian version, although for reasons best known to themselves, all 4 RFC wing roundels still have the white outer ring, instead of just the 2 for the upper wing! So aftermarket decals will be needed anyway.

 I'm sure we all know and love this old relic from our childhoods but here's what I started with:





 I also have a resin engine from Choroszy, an Aeroclub prop, and Miniworld guns/Scarff ring:



 So....on with the butchery!



 First of all I needed to figure out an accurate reference point for all the alterations. After comparing the fuselage to the Datafile plans, it appeared that the distance between the front edge of the pilot's cockpit and the firewall was pretty accurate, and from there to the tip of the nose wasn't far off either, so that's where I started.

 The first casualty was the moulding inside the engine compartment which represents the air scoop and the engine block, and on which the kit cylinders mount. All that plastic was cut away, leaving an open engine area to be further thinned and detailed later.
 Next I figured out that the pilot's cockpit was too wide, front to back, and the fuselage as a whole was about 5mm too long. The first cut was therefore made down the centre of the cockpit. Each edge was then sanded to reduce the size of the cockpit until it was correct, then the two halves were reattached.

This pic shows the fuselage after both those jobs were done:



 That's where it sits for tonight, tomorrow the second cut will be made, probably between the cockpits to bring the observer's further forward, but I'll confirm that then...

Thanks for looking in!

Ian

edit: I forgot to mention I also have a Barracuda Resin seat for it....
« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:00:44 AM by IanB »

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 07:29:54 AM »
Great to see you having a go at this kit Ian, there has been a lot of talk about this release, some good and some not so good, I imagine that with your skills you will turn this into a real gem, what you have done already is excellent and a promise of good things to come.

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2016, 09:51:56 AM »
I guessed wrong on your choice on what was next but this will be better than my guess (Pegasus D.H.4 Liberty)!

Can't wait to see this one done. You're off to a great start already!!

John

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2016, 10:16:42 AM »
Glad to see you tackling this one. I've got one of the older releases in the stash for "someday", and was unaware there was a newer release. I guess that's OK though since, as you said, the major problems still persist.

Following this one for sure.

Warren

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 10:30:45 AM »
I have one too. I will follow you for guidance. I don't know if I can do fuselage surgery,  but we'll see.

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2016, 11:31:38 AM »
I will follow along just to be awed by what you do with this old relic. Nice start!
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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2016, 11:33:58 AM »
Thanks all, I hope this will turn out to be better than the Roland!
John, it could have been the DH4, but I want to replace some of my older efforts first due to space issues...the Roland, Fokker E.III, RE8, Sopwith Pup, and Fokker DrI are all in line for replacement. Then I'll move on to new ones.....the Muromets is still hovering close to the bench too, and I now have the perspex and brackets I need to build a coffee table case for it, so that may also reappear soon!

Ian

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2016, 11:42:19 AM »
I look forward to this, Ian!

Chris

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2016, 09:40:13 PM »
This will be an interesting build, Ian, and I am looking forward to seeing
it unfold.  Very nice start with the fuselage "surgery", my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2016, 02:12:45 AM »
Excellent choice for your next project, Ian!  Like you, I really enjoy re-working older, less than perfect kits.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2016, 07:44:06 AM »
Thanks all, much appreciated!
Here is part 2 of what promises to be a bit of a saga...

After remeasuring, it turns out that the length from the front edge of the pilot's cockpit to the start of the rear decking is correct, so the problem is that the observer's cockpit is too far aft.  To remedy this, I squared off the rear part of the cockpit opening and glued in a couple of fillets of plastic card. They were left to dry overnight and I then used the Miniworld Scarf ring to mark where the opening should be and clipped out most of the plastic with sprue cutters.





A session with a small curved jeweler's file completed the major work there, it will be refined when all the major changes are done and I separate the fuselage halves again. The insides will need some thinning out!

 The next step was to work out where to remove the rest of the excess length. It turned out that the turtledeck was too long, so I marked the cut at the rear of the observer's cockpit, just where it joins the decking. I marked 2 lines with 1mm masking tape, the 2nd one being the rear of the 2mm piece that needed removing.
 I cut between the two lines, making sure I didn't get too close to either of them...



I was left with the 2 halves, each with a piece of masking tape on, and simply sanded each one back to the tape..





 The two halves were then reattached, making sure that the rear part was raised to the level of the front - the step between the 2 that exists on the kit should not be there...






 This now leaves a couple of small issues to sort out...the fuselage now has a step at the bottom, but since it was far too deep anyway, the front half will simply be sanded down to match the rear, sorting both the step and the error in depth at the same time. I will also need to sand the sides slightly to match them but that is a very small lip and won't really affect anything.

 You will also notice a line of "stitching" below the cockpit which should match the line along the bottom of the rear decking. This is also not a major problem as the cockpit sides are too low and need to be raised. This line of stitching should actually be a straight line which runs along the bottom edge of the rear decking, (correct on the kit!), rearwards to the tail, and forwards, just under the cockpit sides, to the front. All I need to do is remove all the moulded stitching and add some PE stitching in that straight line - it does match up as reassembled! The upper surface of the tail, just aft of the decking will need to be sanded down as it is too deep (top to bottom) and kinks upwards, so it will be straightened to match the above mentioned stitching line.

 So that, basically, is all that is required to correct the fuselage - not as much work as I'd expected! A lot of sanding, but not too much surgery....at least I hope that is all of it, it certainly matches the plans pretty well now!
 As mentioned there is still a lot of thinning etc to do internally.

Thanks for looking in!

Ian
« Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 05:20:34 AM by IanB »

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2016, 08:17:30 AM »
Continuing excellent work, Ian.  A very interesting build, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2016, 08:42:54 AM »
Exellent work Ian.
Cheers
Martin

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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 03:36:11 AM »
Terrific progress Ian!
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Re: RAF RE8, Airfix, 1:72 - an effort to put it right!
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 04:13:54 AM »
Just found this Ian - just wonderful what you are doing. I have seen other threads on improving this ancient kit (it was one of Airfix's first releases from 1957/8 if my memory is correct) and it is a shame that it has not been retooled, (though perfectly understandable why not). This will be another of your wonderful logs on how to bring up to standard what is by today's standards a crude kit: but one which, like all the others, has real potential. What is striking is how simple (so far) the alterations are - just hope they remain so!