WNW AMC DH2 24 Sqn. Major Lanoe Hawker VC

[Chris Johnson]

Chris,

There is also 1/32 WWI resin stitching on clear decal paper from Archer Fine Transfers.  . You need to get out more often.

Cheers,

Bob

Now that sounds like more my speed. I'm thinking of their inherent flexibility and ease of use. I'll wander over and check out their aviation section. Thanks for that tip Bob. I shall now pull that rock back over my head. 

Cheers,

Chris

[Bluesfan]

Following as well - I'm delighted to see someone tackling Hawker's machine,
and I know in your hands it'll be a good one. I will look and learn!

Mark

[lcarroll]

Ernie, von Buckle, Chris and Gary, your positive encouragements and comments as always much appreciated.
Bob and Bud, thanks so much for taking the time to provide additional info on Hawker's colour scheme. Your inputs have more or less settled the matter for me as, if nothing else, I totally admire Russell Smith's work and reputation for research which is second to none and the Rise of Flight crowd are no bunch of amateurs either!. I'll probably switch to another 24 Squadron subject, Tail Number 6011, which is one of the Profiles offered in the Datafile and is supported by photos there as well. It has the nacelle painted in light grey with the fabric side panels in PC10 and upper flying surfaces as well. The undersides of the latter are CDL. My reasoning is simple; another all PC10 aircraft when there are more varied finishes available doesn't appeal to me.
   This is a good example of how great a resource and enjoyable an experience this Forum is. The wealth of information, informed perspective, and particularly the manner in which it is offered is invaluable. Thanks Guys, you've saved me from yet another potential attack of "AMS"!
    Time to start mixing paint for the interior.
Cheers,
Lance

[Chris Johnson]

Thanks Guys, you've saved me from yet another potential attack of "AMS"!

Ummm . . . don't look now Lance, but that ship sailed a longggg time ago. 

Cheers,

Chris

[Michael Scarborough]

Re:  1/32 WWI resin stitching on clear decal paper from Archer Fine Transfers.....

I've not used it but I am in the process of using weld beads from Archer and it is uncanny to me how well they work. Fully 3-D without being over done and, indeed, flexible. I would think the stitching would be similar.

Looking forward to the build!

Cheers from NYC,
Michael

[stefanbuss]

Brilliant. This one is the next to be built and will be watched very very closely. Prepare yourself for a bunch of questions, as I have very limited knowledge on british a/c design.

Are you going to use the kit's engine, or will you show off with Taurus' replacement part kit?

Stefan

[Ssasho0]

this one is going to be interesting I will keep an eye on you and take notes

Best regards,
Sasho

[lcarroll]

Mark,
    Looks like I'll have to change the title of this as I'm probably switching subjects to a different aircraft of 24 Squadron to use the more varied colour scheme. I've done a little more reading on the subject and apparently Hawker was a last minute replacement for the fatal mission; he flew which ever aircraft was available and, in this case, it was indeed 5964 which, as we've seen, was overall PC10 with CDL undersurfaces.

Chris,
    How can I refute your logic on this !??

Sasho, Stefan,
   Thanks for your comments and interest. I have the Taurus engine on order and hopefully will be able to manage it, looks from the comments in other Build Logs here to be quite a challenge!
Cheers,
Lance

[coyotemagic]

Lance, I'm sorry if I caused you to change schemes.  How about option B, Cowan's ship.  Looks pretty cool with PC8 and grey, red and white struts and the 24 Sqn. saw tooth belly.
Cheers,
Bud

[lcarroll]

Bud,
    Don't feel you owe an apology for the scheme change, on the contrary I'm really glad the info came to light before I completed (or even really started) this one. The 6011 I mentioned as a probable replacement fits the bill nicely, I've got the profile and photos from a very credible source, Albatros Pubs data File # 48 and it's got Grey, PC10, and CDL in it's finish. Also the Flight Colours on the outer struts and wheel covers, Blue in this case. As I said earlier another all PC10 bird for the display case didn't appeal a great deal given I've got a Snipe, a second SE5a, and the "Christmas Release" WNW Camel to add! This one will provide a little contrast to the line up.
Cheers,
Lance

[Michael Scarborough]

Two thoughts, Lance.....

Please...if Bud is willing to apologize, let him do so. I've met the man in person and he needs to learn humility. An apology is a big step for him.

Secondly, do you know something the rest of us don't re: Santa delivering WnWs Camels? Did I miss a big post?

Cheers from NYC,
Michael

[rhallinger]

Hi gents!  I'll throw more fuel on the fire Lance.    You could always do Hawker's machine from an earlier period, before July 1916, when I understand most of 24 Squadron's machines were painted overall PC-10.  I found that thread I referenced before on the development of the ROF skin for Hawker's DH-2.  It is interesting to watch the development of the artwork for this one, as people chimed in with further research.  There are some beautiful shots of the DH-2 from different angles as well.  Check this out, and make sure you follow the progression, which goes on for something like 8 pages or so:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3046251/1

More food for thought.   I love this stuff!

Cheers.

Bob

[lcarroll]

Two thoughts, Lance.....

Please...if Bud is willing to apologize, let him do so. I've met the man in person and he needs to learn humility. An apology is a big step for him.

Secondly, do you know something the rest of us don't re: Santa delivering WnWs Camels? Did I miss a big post?

Cheers from NYC,
Michael

 

Michael,
     Bud gets a free pass on the apology for now, he coached me through the post-shading technique last ear and I owe him! As for the Camel, it's strictly wishful thinking and positive reinforcement of my latest, but long lasting, fantasy! It's got to happen at some point, surely???
Cheers,
Lance

[lcarroll]

Thanks Bob, that's a whole lot more good info. There are certainly a lot of potential colour and markings schemes available. One of the key points seems to be whether the PC10 paint directed in July of 16 got applied to the upper nacelles in addition to the flying surfaces or not. From reading all the References and the ROF debate it appears that 24 Squadrons A Flight painted the entire nacelle PC10, B Flight had some (or all? nacelles left with grey metal components and PC10 fabric sides, and C Flight.......were not sure.
   There are so many contradictions: The WNW Plan Book leaves a choice of natural wood or grey paint finish for the wood components and frame of the nacelle, the Data File states that DH2's had their wood nacelle parts and frame painted "Battleship Grey" before they left the factory. I'm going with the wood finish.
   I love this stuff too, however at some point I'm going to have to make a choice, be prepared to defend it, and "get her done!" Mind you I often say that the research is as much or more fun then the Build.
Cheers,
Lance

[Alexis]

Really looking forward on this on Lance . The DH-2 is one we don't see very many build logs of so this will be a treat 






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