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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2014, 09:47:37 AM »
Very nicely done, the model is now showing the very distinct Taube shape. The colours you used look very good and the markings turned our well, some models had a serial number painted on the side of the fuselage.

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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2014, 01:07:27 PM »
Very well done all around. I like the color and the work on the crosses is excellent!
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2014, 01:22:30 PM »
Coming along beautifully, LM!  Looking forward to seeing her rigged.
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2014, 09:52:07 PM »
Very nice work love this.
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2014, 06:01:49 AM »
Hello, I wish I could have followed your thread from the very begining...
I remember hell lot of confusion when I was gathering any piece of information concerning this plane. There is a lot of confusion though. During my research I have found that only two Etrich built Taube were used in the army and the only one I have seen pictures of used - what I think was an Argus engine not the Mercedes D.I which you and me had in the kit. I therefore took the liberty to assume that the second one could used the above mentioned Mercedes D.I (I had the beatuful model of that engine from TaurusModels). The general confusion is that so many variations and variants of Taube planes were built that it is really hard to be certain of majority of things - when it comes to this construction... ;)
The rigging part is ahead of you - a lot of fun beleive me;)
Here you can see what I have managed to build in 1/48: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1991.0
Keep up the good work!
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2014, 08:03:55 AM »
It definitely deserves to be called "a beautiful bird", as no other airplane looks as much as a bird as it does.

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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2014, 05:57:28 AM »
Thanks to all of you for the compliments - I am pleased that you all like it as it gives me an incentive to continue.

Xmald: it seems to me that the confusion and uncertainty is not confined to Etrich Tauben - it seems to apply to most early aircraft. These machines were hand built to an individual order, with the result that customers could specify what they wanted, or the manufacturer decided that an upgrade would make a design better, or someone else decided to add/subtract a bit….and so it went on. Mass production did not really begin in earnest until 1915, and until then there do not seem to have been standard drawings or components. T. Sopwith, in an interview with R. Baxter, said that his early machines were built in the workshop without engineering drawings as we would understand them - they were simply put together according to some specific requirements, span, chord, length, etc, and some general drawings, but quite a lot was left to the craftsmen and then adjustments were made when the aeroplane was wheeled out and tested. The use of different engines was commonplace, and nobody seems to have thought to keep accurate records of all of the variations and variants for the benefit of later modellers and historians.It was the need to mass produce that caused the changes which led to standardised components and designs, and then to systematic classification and typologies.

There is also a problem that early photographic records are not always reliable as sometimes information about photos has been lost. Add to that the fact that company records have also been lost or were somewhat incomplete and you have a minefield for the unwary or those who want to be very certain about something. Different sources will tell you different things about the same incident/machine, so as always it is best to go to the original sources if possible. That is not possible for me so I rely on the accuracy of others, but even then I cannot be wholly certain. Given the circumstances, I think that we do reasonably well, even if we are still confused at the end of it!!

I did not know that only two Etrich Tauben were used by the German army - they certainly used Tauben from other manufacturers. I suspect that it was the underwing spars which made the aeroplanes difficult to service and reduced performance that was the problem. One source I have seen claimed that the spars were removed in service, but I suspect that this is an error and that this has been confused with a Taube from another manufacturer who did not use the underwing spars, but I cannot prove it. The German army did not like several aircraft types and refused to use them, even though the owners offered them for service use. I have based my markings on a photo of an Etrich Taube that did not carry a serial on the fuselage but had the wing crosses without the white squares. What the engine was is impossible to tell from the photo.

Thanks for the link by the way - I have been sneaking looks at your wonderful build as I have been going along - just hope that when mine is finished it will be nearly as good.

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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2014, 06:22:25 AM »
Evening All,

I have made some progress with the underwing spars and have started the undercarriage assembly. Here the kit instructions/diagram are misleading, if not wrong as far as I can see so I have been studying what few photos I can find and Xmald's wonderful build to try to sort it all out.

The underwing spars went on relatively easily - the kit has strut material and rod for the purpose, and a template to cut the lengths. I prefer to measure directly from the model so I put in the king posts first and then measured the spar and glued the latter to the king posts and fuselage. The other supports were then cut to measure. There are marks on the wing showing the positions of the king posts and supports so a quick use of the drill and life was (relatively) easy.

Not so the undercarriage. Much of this is white metal (for strength I suspect) but I decided to abandon the main forward legs and substitute plastic strip instead, The V legs I did use - they went on with superglue and I used some of the rod from the kit for the cross-piece between them. I also put on the forward legs to complete the front part of the structure. Now I am scratching my head to try to work out how I am going to attach the remainder of the structure and get it all square and properly aligned. I know how it should look - just doing it is the problem.





Thanks for looking.
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2014, 08:25:41 AM »
She's looking good, LM. The challenge is half the fun though, correct?

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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2014, 08:50:34 AM »
I agree she`s looking really nice! When it comes to rigging I remember I used various pictures from the Internet - the replica`s from Omaka and other I could find to figure it out. I`m really glad that you like my model.
I`m convinced that your Taube will be a true beauty and a shelf-queen.
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2014, 08:51:16 AM »
A wonderful work.
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2014, 09:52:12 AM »
Very nice LM!

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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2014, 10:26:32 AM »
Marvelous job so far LM , shaping up very nicely indeed  8)






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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2014, 11:51:05 AM »
Great looking Taube, LM. You are doing marvelous work eliminating obstacles as you progress on this. I believe this will be an absolute "stand out" Model when completed  Keep up the excellent work!
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Re: Pegasus 1/72 Etrich Taube
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2014, 06:56:56 AM »
Evening All,

Thanks again to everyone for the complimentary remarks. You seem to have given me a bit of a boost after I had got somewhat bogged down with the undercarriage, which I managed to sort out with rather fewer problems that I anticipated. It is amazing how relatively simple these things turn out to be when you actually meet them face to face. The drawings and photos made it look terribly complicated, and although it is not simple it was logical in the end.

I started by opening the arms on the undercarriage forks, which are made of white metal, so that the wheels fitted properly and made a main axle from from rod. I inserted the wheels into the forks and glued the axle into place and allowed the whole assembly to dry out. The front forks were then glued to the top of the forward legs and the lower forks to the bottom of the legs and the axle. The tail skid, exhaust pipes, lower fuselage pylon and nose bracing struts have been added. I decided to leave the upper pylon and the upper rudder post until later as they would only get damaged if I fixed them on now. One of the spars on the tail has already been knocked off and I do not want to knock off any more parts if I can help it. Painting has been completed and iI have started the rigging as the photo shows. I thought that pushers had a lot of wires, but this one will certainly have more. However because this is a monoplane at least most of the wires will be relatively accessible - no peering into tiny spaces with tweezers and wire where there is barely enough room for the wire, let alone the tweezers.

I am using rolled copper wire and superglue as I thought that trying to use any form of thread at this scale would be too much of a challenge when it comes to the warping wires on the flying surfaces.



Thanks for looking.
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