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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2014, 01:10:42 PM »
Here is some further progress.
 
First, the engine has had its 'plumbing' added, and been painted:





The exposed members of the nose have received a mess o' wires....





The fuselage has been painted as well, and some bits of surface work put in.
 
Here is the engine on the bearers...





The large pipes are the exhaust manifolds; the outlet will curve down over the front-plate once everything is attached.
 
Finally, here is a look at fuselage and wings in approximate relation:



Still have ribs to put in on the tail surfaces, ailerons to deal with, and radiator and undercarriage to construct....

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2014, 02:42:07 AM »
That is beginning to look like a well worn machine. Thanks for the tips on the engine which is a little gem if ever I saw one. This is a wonderful build, can't wait to see it complete.

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2014, 04:34:35 AM »
Well, friends, here is the great leap o' the critter: the wings are attached to the fuselage....













 When the lower wing was split, the halves got a bit out of true (not wholly unexpected). A bit of masking tape held them in place properly, and the fuselage went in between. It took a couple of runs, but nothing got nearly out of control.

I am not a great fan of articulated control surfaces, but the 'hanging ailerons' are so prominent a feature of photographs of the early 827s that I figured I really ought to in this case. The aileron pieces needed to be split (there was a short inner and a long outer aileron) and to have one gap. Control wires are 0.004" brass wire, painted: elastic, even barely stretched, threatened to pull the outer panels down visibly, with six separate lines for each aileron.

Though not shown, the tail surfaces are detailed and painted, and I have also since these pictures were taken put in the cabane rigging and roughed out the radiator.

I was fortunate to be able to get decals from Mr. Adams of Aeroclub (who posts over on Britmodeller): they are from his Short 184 kit, but have the Union Flag and logos and numbers I need for this.

It will, as usual, be a close-run thing to get this completed by the contest deadline of July 28, but I expect I will manage it....

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2014, 12:19:59 PM »
In a word OUTSTANDING!
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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2014, 01:11:26 AM »
Lovely work, as usual. Nice to see you managed to get the flags sorted out, John's a decent guy lilke that!

Ian

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2014, 01:53:28 AM »
Wonderful modelling. I am relieved to read that others have problems with wings and control surfaces: when people who make models of this quality have problems it makes me realise that I am not the only one……..
This is a first class model of an unusual subject and I am enjoying reading every post. Best of luck with the deadline and even more with the competition.

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2014, 02:26:30 PM »
Thank you very much, Gentlemen. A good deal of progress over the last week or so.

It is up on its hind legs now, with a radiator, and some of its tail-feathers....







The vertical tail surfaces are also painted and ready, but I want to decal them before attaching them.

There is a certain amount of 'best guess' to the undercarriage, as the photo which shows it most clearly is of the machine after it broke its wheels and possibly some other things, but I have followed the way other Short float-planes of this size were converted to land operations with wheels at about the same time, which at least the picture does not contradict.

Finally, here is the thing up on some home-made spoked wheels....





I consider the wheels more 'proof of concept' prototypes rather then production examples of a settled technique. I took a run at using a photo-etch fret for spoked wheels I have had for a long time, but botched it. So I tried a technique I have been considering a while, sticking a 'half tire' down on a working surface with an axle stub in the center, gluing fine wire spokes in, then gluing two 'half tires' together. It works, but is hard to handle (I caved one finished wheel in completely) while eliminating the seam between the pieces. I have thought of a couple of ways I think will improve the process, and if I have time these may get clipped off and replaced by Mk. II versions.

There is a surprising amount of rigging left to do on this; kingpost bracing on the wings, and something similar on the rear fuselage, plus tail control wires, and some drag wires, and some stay wires for the radiator, and something on the undercarriage, and probably a few more things I hope I notice in time. And I have still to do the exhaust outlets and the propeller...and looking at these pictures, I notice a couple of aileron cables on the port aileron have worked loose, and will need repair..

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2014, 02:36:32 PM »
Wow, OM!  You have created quite a few masterpieces over the years that I've been acquainted with your work and this one promises to be your best yet.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2014, 04:36:58 PM »
Terrific work!
The process meters...  therefore so much models are stuck between start and finish

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2014, 09:20:35 PM »
Goodness me, OM, this is coming on beautifully.

Best wishes
Nigel

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2014, 02:32:23 AM »
Wonderful OM - a masterpiece which is almost complete. That radiator on top of the engine looks to be a real Heath-Robinson job - quite amazing what was done in the Middle East at that time. Quite amazing what you have done now!

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2014, 10:17:17 PM »
Thank you very much, Gentlemen!

I did not quite get this done this weekend (the rigging was, quite literally, starting to give me a headache), but I feel pretty sanguine about getting it done before this coming weekend.

Here is how things stand now....









The rigging on this seems to never end, but there is not much remaining, mostly some drag and anti-drag wires, and a bit more connected with the undercarriage, as well as a 'duck's foot' bit on the elevators.

All the latest rigging is done with 0.004" brass wire, painted dark.

In painting the added exhaust pipes, I managed with an incautious slip of a finger to knock one side of the under-carriage completely off. It has been repaired, and the wire rigging added has sturdied it up a bit, but the incident has led me to abandon any thought of trimming off the wheels, even if I have time to get new ones made: the risk of damage in removing the present ones is too great to run at this stage in the game, and I am happy enough with 'proof of concept' prototype examples.

The Aeroclub decal sheet provided suitable numbers in the Short font, and company emblems, but they did have to be sized down a bit smaller, and swapped around (the rudder of the Type 184 is a bit larger, and one subject of the sheet was serial 842) and reprinted on clear film. The white background is a rectangle cut to size from Testor's film, and has been distressed with paint. The company number (S122) is dry transfer on clear film.

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2014, 10:28:27 PM »
Looking absolutely superb Old Man, that amount of rigging would give anyone a headache and man, what a radiator, it is huge, sorta blocks the view for the pilot. The decals turned out really well and and your weathering is excellent, looking forward to seeing her totally finished, it will be a gem.

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2014, 10:54:03 PM »
Looking absolutely superb Old Man, that amount of rigging would give anyone a headache and man, what a radiator, it is huge, sorta blocks the view for the pilot. The decals turned out really well and and your weathering is excellent, looking forward to seeing her totally finished, it will be a gem.

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Thank you, Sir.

The use of stiff wire has benefits, but having to get ends in place on bits of rod particularly gets me pretty deep into 'this would be a lot easier if I could see what I'm doing' territory....

The Short Bros. radiator is an odd thing. As a radiator it worked well; its design was based on naval steam condensors, and since it was an assembly of vertical tubes, it had the virtue that if water was boiling away, the jacket, being the lowest point, would contain some water as long as there was any liquid remaining. There may have been something of a screen-door effect with visibility --- the tubes were arranged in banks, and there was some slotting between the banks (if I was not working to a tight contest deadline on this, I might have made a better effort to replicate this in scale by using separate rectangles with spacers to give more evident gaps between 'planes' of tubes). Still, I expect it was a bother. A pilot who flew one of these, both at Zanzibar and in Iraq, said that in warmer climes, he would rather not be flying a machine with its radiator right in front of his face. I do not think these ever got up high enough the warmth was welcome in Iraq, though on over-water patrols from stations in England often it must have been.

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Re: Short Type 827 (converted), RNAS Mesopotamia, 1915, in 1/72
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2014, 12:41:16 AM »
Another gem almost complete! She looks great, suitably grubby and used. Glad the decals worked out.

Ian