Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?

[uncletony]

Still sounds like an interesting challenge to me

[Des]

I have heard the same results as what Scott has written, also the variation in air temerature will cause the wires to become slack, I think Scott's description as being a "nightmare" is very apt.

Des.

[uncletony]

Yes, I have absolutely no doubt it is hard. Very hard. Maybe nearly impossible. But truly impossible?

Just saying... Sounds like an interesting challenge to me.

Meaning: if one side goes slack when the other is tightened... Why? Is the PE stretching? Is the cellule deforming? Are the struts deforming? Is there another way to approach the way the the wires are attached or tensioned?

[Des]

Nothing is impossible Bo, just really really hard to do. It certainly would be an interesting challenge but not one that I am prepared to take on, maybe some younger more enthusiastic modelers will take it on and come up with a way to tackle it, lets hope so.

Des.

[uncletony]

And then with the WNW Salmson and its unique battened double flying wires the ante will be raised... I don't see anyway to reproduce these accurately besides PE...

[ALBATROS1234]

if the salmson double battened wires were like the ansaldo balilla this one guy did a build a while back and i like his solution. he made a jig stretched (not tight) 2 runs of mono across at the right length. then he added this plastic strip spacer,painted then basically mounted it similar to regular mono . i think i have a link of the build although its in polish .
 
and heres the link scroll down and look at the way he does it. seemed to work and doesnt seem really complex.

http://www.pme.org.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=117&Itemid=1

[IFF1418]

Extremely well build and finished Snipe Dave. Lovely. I purchased PE rigging material too at the time, but reading all this I am glad I didn't use it. Happy rigging!

Kind regards
Patrick

[petrov27]

Thank you for the link to that site - that does not seem terribly difficult to do!

Concerning the photoetched rigging - I am thinking you would need to make the metal rigging "short" for the distance needed then somehow have a short section of elastic where it attaches to the aircraft to really make it work? That way the elastic would take up the slack and always have a small amount of tension on the photoetched piece to keep it straight and not sag?

[uncletony]

Does anybody know the answer to the original question?

What size flying wires are appropiate for a snipe? 2BA, 9/32" or 1/4" ? or something else?

I'm ordering a Snipe. And PE wires.

[lcarroll]

Does anybody know the answer to the original question?

What size flying wires are appropiate for a snipe? 2BA, 9/32" or 1/4" ? or something else?

I'm ordering a Snipe. And PE wires.

Bo,
   If you haven't already ordered I've got 3 Sets of the wires (1 Each of 32012, 14 and 15 - 2BA, 4BA and 1/4 BSF respectively) and a 32013 Set of British Wire Terminals #32013 I'll send you on a real "kick-###" deal. All untouched except for one of the 56 larger turnbuckles of the latter. There's no Optivisor strong enough for me to use them! Let me know.
Cheers,
Lance

[uncletony]

Thanks Lance, I just may take you up on that, PM me with deets (not interested in the pe turnbuckle ends however -- I have another idea... ) -- but first, does anybody know what size the wires should be? Is this info in the appropriate WS DF? (If so, I'll order that straight away, too).

RB's website sez:

Please consult the rigging diagrams relevant to your model to assess where these wires are needed. I recommend "British Military Aircraft of World War One - The Official Technical and Rigging Notes for RFC and RNAS Fighting and Training Aeroplanes, 1914 - 1918" by John Tanner (editor), J. M. Bruce, et al. Arms & Armour Press, 1976, ISBN 0853682615

[lcarroll]

Bo,
   PM sent. There's no rigging diagram in the WS Datafile which is all I have on the Snipe. In the absence of further info I'd tend towards the Camel and/or Dolphin wire specs. There is a note on pg. 32 of the Datafile referring to Air Publication 1107 (First edition March 1925). Looks to me like a generic publication, title is  "A Manual for Rigging Aircraft) Not much help I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Lance

[WillScarlet]

  Bo, I have the book by Mr. Tanner. The Snipe is not listed but the 1 1/2 Strutter; 5.F.1. Dolphin; Pup; 2.F.1. Camel; F.1. Camel; and Triplane are. I can compare sizes among this group for you, or give you the sizes of a particular aircraft if it would be a help.
   
    JMTC ........ I tried the PE wires on my Snipe also with the same results as others. My procedure was to measure and cut a tad longer and "spring" the wires between opposing holes and glue .......... sagged. 


           Will

[uncletony]

  Bo, I have the book by Mr. Tanner. The Snipe is not listed but the 1 1/2 Strutter; 5.F.1. Dolphin; Pup; 2.F.1. Camel; F.1. Camel; and Triplane are. I can compare sizes among this group for you, or give you the sizes of a particular aircraft if it would be a help.
   
    JMTC ........ I tried the PE wires on my Snipe also with the same results as others. My procedure was to measure and cut a tad longer and "spring" the wires between opposing holes and glue .......... sagged. 


           Will

Thanks Will, I don't want to hijack Dave's topic any more than we already have (well I guess this is still sort of on topic). I guess the Dolphin would be the closest to the snipe being two-bay and all.

I did find info for the SE5a, so that's a possibility I'm mulling over as well. Extra challenge points with the double flying wires

Anyway, maybe we can start a topic over in Aircraft Info and Questions with wire size data for RFC / RAF planes...

[Dave in Dubai]

Hi Bo & co,

I will try to contact the Vintage Aviator and see if they can tell me what they used on their replica....assuming of course that they have used the historically correct wires.
If I get a reply from them I will post it back here so you all know the answer.

As an aside, and notwithstanding from the fantastic reproduction they have created, does anyone else here think they have used the wrong colour of gray on the cowlings? To me it seems way too light esp when compared with the archive photo of Barker's Snipe and also the Battleship Gray seen on the Sopwith Camel in the Imperial War Museum in London.

More questions to be answered.....