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Offline Procopius

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2013, 04:10:10 PM »
Slightly more cogently -- but possibly not, as I have a scratchy throat and've been medicating with rye --here's what I did tonight.

* Closed up the cockpit.

* Got the lower wings on after much sanding.

* Sanded out the nose so that the engine should now fit, I THINK

* Applied a coat of Tamiya primer to see how it looked.

* Used about a quarter of a tube of filler.

* Drilled out the holes for the tail rigging.

* Added the tail, which is possibly slightly off kilter despite much sanding, but this is war gentlemen, one has to make sacrifices.

* Painted the engine Tamiya gun metal, wash and detail painting to come tomorrow.

My goals for the weekend are to finish work on the fuselage and lower wing; start work on the wheels, tires, and the gear legs (ugh ugh ugh); and finish work on the engine. Big ol' dreams are to paint and close up the fuse and lower wing, and maybe (MAYBE) get that upper wing on.

Regarding the prop, it was natural wood on the D.VIIf with a metal nosecone, right? Or did the Germans coat it in something like the French did on some Nieuports?



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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2013, 02:18:32 PM »
Today I managed to install the engine, sand, prime, sand some more, prime again, sand a little more, a smidge more primer, and then, voila! Painted the fuse and the lower wing and applied decals.

I have heard a million horror stories about Roden decals, which furthermore look like older Fujimi decals, my least favorite decals on earth, so I coated them liberally with micro decal liquid film, just to be safe. As it happened, everything so far (knock wood) has gone okay with the decals, and the fuselage is done absent a thin black line decal and the underwing crosses. Next up...rigging the tail (ULP) and doing the upper wing (double ulp).

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2013, 11:18:55 PM »
You are doing well with your project, Procopius.  Taking shape beautifully!
Watching for the next update.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2013, 01:04:51 AM »
Echo the last comment -

all coming together very nicely.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2013, 04:08:21 AM »
Looking great so far! Well worth the effort, and of course, you'll have all those fun memories every time you look at it.... :-X

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013, 04:22:58 AM »
It's looking really nice.
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2013, 11:54:57 AM »
Congrats for such nice updates Proco.

See? Your winning your model battle there... it looks very good indeed. A very clean painting job and the decals are great.

Don't get spooked with the rigging and the upper wing. Think in advance how to do it, don't rush yourself nor gluing times and you'll get the job done.

The D.VII prop was made with some layers of wood all together giving them that laminated look. That D.VII had a cone in it.

Very nice so far Proco.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2013, 01:02:44 PM »
The D.VII prop was made with some layers of wood all together giving them that laminated look.

Thanks!

Thanks also, everyone, for the wholly undeserved compliments.

Here's where I am right now:





As you can see, there's some superglue-induced weathering from when I attached the landing gear...as near as I can tell, only two of the four contact points on the fuselage actually had holes, so I had to drill two more and then hang on for dear life, and...whoops. Maybe Der Dicke hit a clod of earth that spattered against his fuselage on landing. I also have to figure out some way of fixing the unsightly gap on the front cowling.

I tried to rig the tailplane, but all the holes I drilled were straight, rather than angled, and the resulting effect looks quite wrong. Also, my pin vice set is a cheap one, and the bits keep bending, thwarting my efforts at drilling neat little holes. I was going to try and rig the gear legs, too, but I have only one rule of modelling: if you find spittle cascading down your chin while you mutter threats to an inanimate piece of plastic, you need to not do whatever you're doing. Perhaps I'll rig gear in the future, but the D.VII's gear is too fragile (as is my psyche) for that right now.

As for the upper wing: I've cleverly made it impossible to rush into it by forgetting to paint and decal it at any time. However, a quick look at the inner struts (cabanes?) lead me to conclude that what appears to be the recommended method of assembly (inner to outer) wouldn't work for this kit, which seems to expect me to butt join tiny pieces of plastic slenderer than a snowball's chance in hell and then have them somehow support the upper wing. So I'm going to do this my way, AKA "the idiot's way", and do the outer ones, put the wing on, and THEN somehow sneak the cabanes (I'm going with that, hope it's the right term) into place.

A very gentle test fit concluded I will probably have to sand a little bit off the top of the gauge that projects up just aft the engine. At this point, each new hilarious fit problem I encounter with the kit barely elicits a reaction, perhaps a jaded shrug, or a bitter laugh.

Most discouraging so far has been my troubles with rigging. I had hoped it would prove fairly easy, but the material I'm using (monofilament thread run through a cut in a permanent marker to turn it black) has proved stiff and uncooperative, and my weak pin vice seems to be exacerbating the situation. I'm dreading working on some of the more complex biplanes.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2013, 04:55:53 PM »
welcome to the unpleasing world of Roden kits! i have similars problems with the Nieuport 24 1/32 scale.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2013, 12:02:05 AM »
I rig all my aircraft in the way you describe, the holes are usually straight as it just isn't possible to get an angle on them without breaking the bit! Maybe your monofilament is too thick? I use 2lb test fishing line which is about .0005" (.13mm) and as long as it's tight there isn't a noticeable curve at the end. The exception is control lines coming out of the fuselage, these holes do have to be elongated....

Ian

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2013, 12:10:41 AM »
Ian,

It's entirely possible the thread is too thick; I got it from my mother when I visited her a while ago (I know, I know, I'm a grown man, but she sews, and free is cheap). I've ordered some White Ensign rigging line for model ships, I'm hopeful that may prove more useful, but for that I must wait on the vagaries of transatlantic shipping. Certainly the effect of stringing the current stuff through the tailplane is more like a sine wave than a taut control cable.

Oh well. I'm learning, I'm learning. I hope.
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2013, 11:11:36 AM »
Ian,

It's entirely possible the thread is too thick; I got it from my mother when I visited her a while ago (I know, I know, I'm a grown man, but she sews, and free is cheap). I've ordered some White Ensign rigging line for model ships, I'm hopeful that may prove more useful, but for that I must wait on the vagaries of transatlantic shipping. Certainly the effect of stringing the current stuff through the tailplane is more like a sine wave than a taut control cable.

Oh well. I'm learning, I'm learning. I hope.

First let me say that although you are experiencing challenges with this kit you are doing an excellent job meeting each one! Roden kits do take work but build up nicely in the end, and personally I get a better feeling if I get good results than I do from building a WNW kit to a good standard. As for your rigging material the line you ordered should work but a probably cheaper alternative is Nylon Fly Line Tippet, or 2 lb. test fly line. One other would be Invisible sewing thread.
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2013, 11:50:34 AM »
Nice update Proco.

There's no "the idiot's way" of doing it... just the way of getting it done in the way that best fits you and you're doing fine.

About rigging... there is an elastic rigging thread that it's quite easy to use. You just have to cut it in the right size (being the distance between holes) and then, being elastic it goes and stays straight and nicely stretched. You may try and search for elastic rigging thread... if i'm not mistaken i think that Uschi have those.

As you're going you're learning... just like the rest of us. ;)

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2013, 01:11:11 PM »
This is only a test.



A new adventure in modelling tonight, from Roden to me, special delivery, was that the outer struts are a little too long in the back, giving the D.VII the world's first variable-incidence wing, like an F-8 Crusader in reverse. The top wing would be canted forwards and down so far that the pilot would be totally incapable of seeing. While this would go a long way towards explaining why the Allies managed to persevere in the last year of the war, despite dastardly Prussian super-science, it looked terrible. Fortunately, I've been obsessively reading build articles on this kit while ostensibly working, so I learned from PrzemoL's (infinitely superior) D.VII build thread that the struts would need trimming down in the back by about 1mm. So, with a hasty prayer to Atë, I (carefully...) prised the struts loose from the wing and managed to (gently, gently...) file them down a bit, then reattach. Success! Of course, stupidly, I'd already trimmed the sights from the guns, but whatever. At this point, I don't care.

I also managed to paint the top wing, and put the black crosses on the underside of the bottom wing. Message from future me to past me: you idiot! Why did you wait on this one until after you put the struts on?

Oh! Also painted the prop a basecoat of Modelmaster acrylic wood, preparatory to trying the oil paint woodgrain effect again tomorrow.

I'm not going to jinx this, but I will say, this kit has required more so-called "basic modelling skills" than I knew I possessed.
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2013, 01:25:21 PM »
Procopius, trials & tribulations aside, you are coming up with a gorgeous
little aeroplane!  Keep at it and you will end up with one to be proud of...
even if us old guys can barely see it. ;) ;D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
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