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Offline lawman56

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« on: May 14, 2013, 05:58:46 AM »
Question, especially for Des. I'm in the process of painting the highlights and shadows of a 120mm Roman Legionare, and although the subject is prior to WWI, (just a wee bit  ::)), the techniques I use are universal to figures of any scale. Is there any interest in seeing how I do this? I'm no expert, but have been pretty successful.

Des, if there is interest, is it ok to post it here? I want to be sure I'm within the forum guidelines.

I'm also working on using the "baking soda" technique on my Spitfire exhaust manifolds to simulate rusted cast iron. I'd be more than happy to post that as well. Still too chicken to try Chris' hairspray technique yet.  :P
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Re: painting figures
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 07:18:20 AM »
No problems at all in posting figure painting techniques here, like you have said, regardless of the subject the end results are the same. There are many modelers here who would love to pick up a few pointers, especially me.

The baking soda technique for exhaust manifolds is another hint/tip that will be welcomed here, please go ahead and post it here.

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 09:18:59 AM »
Mark me down as interested in advancing my figure painting abilities too. I'll profit from any and all tips.

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 09:37:02 AM »
Good deal! I'll be posting both very soon. As I said in another post, I multi-task, so I've been doing both the figure and the exhaust at the same time. On a side note, painting figures, especially anything larger than 1/32 or 1/35, is a double edged sword. It's much easier to learn and perfect the techniques, but it also magnifies mistakes. Faces especially.

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 09:47:04 AM »
Very much looking forward to learning your techniques and would especially welcome your recommendations on the best paints and colours. Faces are a real challenge so a tutorial just on them would be very helpful.

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 05:51:35 PM »
Pretty much  to learn here and the learning never ends. So I like this thread already ;).
First things first, with kind off paint will I use? painting figures in acrylics or enamel? Nowadays almost everyone paint in Vallejo or Andrea acrylics, but there´s still old school folks as me still uses Humbrol`s as the best choice. Off course its you to decide witch kind off paint to work with...
As figure paintings are all about mixing paint in different tones and shades, you'll will be a master in this area real soon and will use this method in other modelling areas too sooner or later.
My tips is for you to check out Youtube and you will find a lot off good and bad videos on the subject. Also check into other pure figure forums for tips and tricks....Is there need to invent the wheel once more time?
My next tip is the old "Trail and error tips", you´ll need to be painting a bunch off figures to get the hold off it.
It´s not my intention to puncture this thread in any way, still like this thread and are willing to help you out.

My self I use Humbrol´s and oils and for the moment I´ll working on the Kellerkind Mechanic.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 03:07:14 PM »
It may be a couple weeks before I'm able to post anything. As of this moment I'm in the Veterans Hospital awaiting a coronary artery bypass graft on Tuesday. From what I understand, it may take me up to two weeks to recover well enough to sit at the workbench. On a positive note, I'll be out of work for a couple months, so I might be able to make some actual progress for once.  :)
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 09:15:56 PM »
Sorry to hear you are laid up. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 10:57:18 PM »
Good luck with the surgery and a speedy recovery. Both parents had that done and it made a world of difference for them.

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 11:03:21 PM »
  Joe,
Sorry to read of your health issues my friend and wish you a full and speedy recovery. On your return,I'm very much looking forward to your figure painting tutorial. Firgure painting has never been my strongest skills. Honestly my ablity to paint a figure is well........ I wouldn't want to use a strong phrase such as they suck but they certainly do draw a vacuum. Take care.
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Re: painting figures
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 11:26:18 PM »
Take care Joe and get well soon.

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2013, 08:47:28 PM »
Greetings to all! First and foremost, thanks for all the prayers and well wishes. My recovery is moving along quite well, considering I was released from the hospital only one week ago, and yesterday managed to be quite productive at the bench!  ;D

As promised, I will begin posting some of the pics on how I detail a figure. Please bear in mind a few things, disclaimer, if you will. I would say only a very small percentage of what I do is actually skill on my part. If I had to break it down, I'd say 10% skill, 10% gleaned from books and internet, 10% knowledge and observation, but 70% trial and error. There are a few basic ideas that I stick to, though, in no particular order. Call it "Dicta Joe"  ::)

1) Perception, not perfection. Strive to fool the eye. You are not, for the most part, trying to create an exact duplicate of a human being, but a representation of one. If, for example, you wish to create a 1/32 scale model of Oswald Boelke, then you are already well beyond anything I can possibly offer.

2) Sheperd Paine. His books teach you all about illusion versus actuality. Everything I do in modelling is based on his basic principles. That includes my model railroading, as well.

3) Study the work of others. As long as you remain humble, and always strive to improve, you will be successful. A couple other favorite modellers of mine, besides the above, are Bob Letterman and Lewis Pruneau. They are the masters of the "super diorama".

4) Become a sponge. I've been working on models for years, yet I just learned, on this site, of simulating a leather flight jacket using normal wood stain. Brilliant. Who would've thought?

5) Be critical of your own work, but never discouraged. Think about it, how many of us walked into our current occupations knowing everything we needed to know?

6) Take frequent breaks. I generally work on probably 4-5 things at once. It keeps me from burning myself out on any one thing. Learned that the hard way, I did.

7) Look around. You may not have a Mercedes DIII engine sitting in your shed, but I bet you have a lawn mower. Or a car, or a construction site nearby. Look at lube points, hinges, exposed surfaces, exhaust stacks, etc...

8) Learn. Everything from how light falls onto an object, to what types of materials were used to make specific things at specific times. Little things, like knowing the difference between types of fuel used in aircraft, can go a long way in replicating the correct exhaust stains. Look at as many period pics as you can find of your subject matter. What type of terrain was there? Color of mud? Etc...

9) With figures, especially, you usually get what you pay for. General rule of thumb, anything tagged as '1/32', is usually of the generic polystyrene model kit design and will be decently detailed and priced. Anything tagged as '54mm', is usually of a higher quality and better detail. 54mm is considered a 'figurine' while 1/32 is considered a 'model'. Thankfully, this mentality is changing and we're starting to see a higher quality all around.

10) Most importantly, HAVE FUN WITH IT! Yes, it gets frustrating. Yes, it gets annoying. Yes, you will consider smashing things into tiny pieces, (hence item 6), but when you get it right, it's an awesome feeling. Of course, then you'll pull your hair out trying to remember exactly what you did!  :P

If you've read this far, I guess the least I can do is post a couple pics.  8)

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Re: painting figures
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2013, 09:00:19 PM »
Ok. Again, this is what I have had success with. For starters, my subject is a 120mm Verlinden resin Roman Legionaire and I will be using enamels. No particular reason for enamels, except it's what I'm most comfortable with. As I mentioned in an earlier post, even though he's not quite the era, the techniques I apply are the same regardless. I start by painting everything in it's base color, then seal it. Gloss or dull coat. Doesn't matter really.This way all my initial detail work is done and when I blend colors, it won't have an effect on them.

You may notice two things. He's very pale right now and "unarmed" ::)
One of the last things I'll do is attach his arms, so he'll remain unarmed.
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Re: painting figures
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2013, 09:30:10 PM »
Now here is the same guy with the base colors applied.

This is as far as I'd gotten, when my heart decided to act up on me.



These three guys will be my partners in crime. A word here about blending/mixing colors. I have found that you should almost always stay away from white and black to enhance a base color. Primarily because they will alter your base color drastically. Red almost always ends up looking purple, when you add black, and pink when you add white. The goal is to highlight and shadow. I find that Raw Umber creates a perfect shade medium, while light Camo Gray works fantastic as a lightening medium.

The next trick is probably the simplest, yet hardest to get right. It's all very dependent on your personal opinion. The goal is to create shadow and highlight illusion, so start with your base color and mix in the raw umber, one drop at a time until you achieve the shade you're looking for. The highlight is done the exact same way. Drop by drop until you're satisfied. Sorry there's nothing more mysterious than that. No magic potions, no special incantations, no justice at the hands of Sir Bedivere and his Larger Scales. (of course, logically, if she weighs as much as a duck....)


Pretty simple, huh? The actual trick is in the application and blending. What I tend to do is look at the folds of the cloth already molded, then see where the natural overhead light casts a shadow. Now you take the thinnest brush you can, and apply "stripes" in a verticle motion. Most tunics, kilts, etc... have a natural pleat to them as they fall, which is where you want to concentrate your stripe. For example:

Notice the subtle, albeit rough, difference between the base and shadow. Notice how it follows the contours of the fabric. Like terrain features, think in terms of peaks and valleys. Sun is brightest on ridges and darkest in valleys.


Lastly, for today anyhow, I wait for my shadow to be dry before I apply highlight. Trust me, it doesn't take long. Usually by the time I've mixed my highlight to my liking, it's dry enough. Notice where I apply the highlight. Again, ridges and valleys.

That's it for now. The next step is the most annoying, frustrating, easily screwed up, yet rewarding step. The blending. This requires a decent, stiff yet supple brush, clean thinnner, patience, and most importantly, the acceptance that you may screw it up, have to wait a few days to let everything cure, and try again. Now you see why I say to seal your base coat. I'm not bashful or proud, so if I screw it up, I'll post that as well. Might as well, considering it's the best way to learn.

Thanks for following! Hope you're enjoying it!  ;D
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Re: painting figures
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 09:49:36 PM »
Super thread. Thanks for posting.