Josef Jacobs' Black Dr.I Triplanes

[2996 Victor]

@RedLeader1 many thanks for your post - that's very interesting, and the contrast between Jacobs' sketch and Eduard's "interpretation" is quite significant. I've read somewhere that the actual shape of the flame was different on each side - do you have any info on that?

Cheers,
Mark

[Richtrad]

Bruno Schm?ling's book Jasta Colors Vol 1, pages 60-66 deals a good bit with 450/17. As with much of Schm?ling's works, his information is based on his interviews with the actual pilots (in this case,Jacobs). He presents a color illustration of the Teufelskopf that he worked on in conjunction with Jacobs.
Warren Q

[2996 Victor]

Bruno Schm?ling's book Jasta Colors Vol 1, pages 60-66 deals a good bit with 450/17. As with much of Schm?ling's works, his information is based on his interviews with the actual pilots (in this case,Jacobs). He presents a color illustration of the Teufelskopf that he worked on in conjunction with Jacobs.
Warren Q

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That's brilliant, Warren, thank you - the Jasta Colors books are definitely going on my shopping list now! Incidentally, do you know if either volume covers Jasta 43?

Many thanks!

Mark

[Richtrad]

Speaking of only the Jasta Colors series:

Vol 1 includes the Fokker D.VII lineup photo and lists Josef Raesch as being one of a large number of personnel interviewed for this book, but that's all my skimming has noted regarding Jasta 43. Also regarding Vol 1, there is further info on Jacobs on pages 76-78, including a profile of 470/17.  At the end of the book is a photo of the painting Jacobs commissioned in 1919 for his home, which includes the Devil's Head Dr.1.

Vol 2 covers only 1914 through early 1917, and so pre-dates the formation of Jasta 43.

Warren Q

[2996 Victor]

Speaking of only the Jasta Colors series:

Vol 1 includes the Fokker D.VII lineup photo and lists Josef Raesch as being one of a large number of personnel interviewed for this book, but that's all my skimming has noted regarding Jasta 43. Also regarding Vol 1, there is further info on Jacobs on pages 76-78, including a profile of 470/17.  At the end of the book is a photo of the painting Jacobs commissioned in 1919 for his home, which includes the Devil's Head Dr.1.

Vol 2 covers only 1914 through early 1917, and so pre-dates the formation of Jasta 43.

Warren Q

Thanks again, Warren, that's very helpful - I'll definitely be buying these soon and hopefully there'll be a Vol.3 along at some point!

Cheers,
Mark

[RedLeader1]

Greetings all.  Warren W. is right that B. Schmaeling has much written on Jacobs. He did get to interview him late in Jacobs life. He also acquired many copies of photo images that I have as well. I used the "war diary" and helped translate a portion of it to English text and get all of it published. There is another fellow in Germany I must refer to as a "private owner" that demands anonymity.  As to the curl or shape of the flame we must rely on photos available in the public domain.