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Offline Allan31

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DML MvR 425/17....Part 4....
« on: May 11, 2025, 06:54:42 AM »
One night rooting around evilbay, I came across this listing while looking for something else.
It was for the DML triplane. I already have three in the case but this one caught my eye.
In the photo of the listing showing the contents of the box was all this other light blue plastic. They wanted $30.00 or make offer, I offered $20.00 and the seller accepted.



My suspicions were right. Mixed in with the DML kit was a complete Revell 1/28 scale with usable decals.



WooHooo...I may build this just the way Revell instructed us by using the blue plastic as my base and adding the streaky green.

After the Hannover, something simple is in order. I want a triplane as it would have appeared on April 21, 1918.





I was amazed nobody makes a sheet of decals for this aircraft but I was able to piece together most of the correct crosses but I will still have some cutting and splicing to do. Even the Eduard sheet for their 1/48 issue has the rudder and the fuselage crosses too thin.





So this will be on the desk next. I'm looking forward to a simpler build but I'm sure some of you have already reached your lifetime allotment of red triplanes.





The resin bust of MvR included in the DML kit is free to a good home as I already have one, let me know.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 02:36:25 PM by Allan31 »
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2025, 05:51:24 PM »
 ;D Great spot Allan.
A 'free' triplane - what's not to like. Personally I'm quite fond of a red triplane so bring it on

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2025, 06:37:38 PM »
It should be an easy build. Let's see........ ;)

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2025, 11:20:17 PM »
Some may not fully agree , but can never go wrong with a red tripe ! I have built Dragons kit a few times now don't recall any fit issues and it's not a bad detailed kit for it's time . Lookig forward on seeing how this plays out .

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 1.....
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2025, 07:20:54 AM »
A pleasant little cockpit no one will see.



So, a red triplane it is.....

Richthofen's red 425 is not just a rabbit hole, it's a virtual mine field. Thankfully, others have spent considerable time and no small effort on this subject and now with the gathering of data on the www we have what I'm calling the "average truth". What follows are what most researchers generally agree on.

MvR's 425/17 was built especially for Richthofen by Anthony Fokker. Its construction was planned from the start to make it an improved triplane for the famous ace in its improved covering and finish. Some have suggested silk covering, more likely a finer, smoother weave of bleached linen. Clear dope applied to the upper surfaces then red, white squares for the eight marking positions, trace elements of colored dope found on surviving samples suggest the bottom finished in light blue. No colored dope on top other than red, no streaking.

So this is how 425/17 would have looked as it left the Fokker factory, red on top, blue on the bottom. Fok.DRI 425/17 in black over the red.
425/17 was test flown by Fokker test pilot Weidner on January 8, 1918.



Upon delivery, since all triplanes were light blue under, it is thought that MvR wanted a more positive identification from the ground for downed aircraft confirmation purposes and had the underside immediately painted over red.

In March, 425 was photographed at the Lechelle airfield with the crosses field modified in compliance with the latest Idflieg directive. It is not known if the entire aircraft was repainted or just the white squares around the crosses. So now it looks like this.



Between March and April 21, 1918, crosses again field modified with the bottom wing markings not quite finished as well as the other six positions. This is the final configuration of 425 on April 21.



I think it is a laugh riot I can not just go buy a single sheet of MvR markings in 1/48 scale for 425. Eduard includes it in one of their issues but thats it. So I found the sheet (#4837) from the "Ministry of Small Aircraft Production" and started hacking away.



The bottom crosses I may have another go at.



Since red covers so poorly, the white areas, the CDL, the light blue, all would have shown through the red. To that end, I primed the different parts white on top, grey below to simulate the light blue. This will show through on the finished build.



I experimented with different Vallejo reds. Straight 71.102 and a 50/50 mix of 71.102 and 71.003.



I'm leaning towards the 50/50 mixture. Three coats needed for correct coverage.



I can hear you snickering. Whadya think I just grab a can of red?......
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 03:17:54 AM by Allan31 »
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2025, 09:18:34 AM »
Hey Allan, if no one has claimed the MVR bust, I could use it. I?m currently working on a 1/20somthing figure. I?ll post progress soon. 

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2025, 06:21:03 PM »
No snickering from me, I am a complete rivet counter so applaud anyone who goes to some length to try to replicate what they feel is accurate based on available evidence. Of course we can never really know, and just going with any darkish red is fine, but for me it's part of the fun to spend hours down rabbit holes trying to solve these conundrums  :)

So keep going, looking forward to seeing what you do with this....

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2025, 01:27:35 AM »
Moving right along on this build , pit turned out pretty good and yes once closed up not much can be seen .


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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2025, 07:13:45 AM »
Thanks all,
The red is on, I should have stopped at two coats rather than three for a less subtle effect. Oh-well....
I went with the 71.102 with one drop of Mahogany for every ten of red.



Bust is all yours Tim, I'll send you a pm for your address.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 03:21:47 AM by Allan31 »
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2025, 08:15:14 AM »
I'm loving the tone of red you used. Nice!
Excellent work  ;)

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 2....
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2025, 10:54:08 AM »
I'm loving each part of this Allan. The extra decal work - in my mind - will make for a more special build than one with an OOB sheet. And the red is gorgeous! It's interesting to see your process rather than "here's the part > here's the part painted".
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 3....
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2025, 02:27:23 AM »
Decals on then 2-3 coats of Future to seal the old decals in place.



I read somewhere that close examination showed the last white border extended beyond the original white square the so I tried to replicate that.





I did not trust myself to phase back the black lettering in place so I did that before I applied the decal.



I was OK with the bottom crosses not being exactly correct. I just tried to mimic the original hasty corrections by adding little points.
After staring at it for a bit it started to bother me they were not the correct size. The cross extends almost completely from leading to trailing edge as can be seen in this sample. (Printed upside down BTW)



I realized I could replicate the correct size cross just the way it was done on the original.









Phew, another sleepless night averted.....
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 03:24:47 AM by Allan31 »
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 3....
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2025, 05:59:55 PM »
Looking good.....and very red!

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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 4....
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2025, 02:44:04 PM »
On her own feet.....





Should have this done this weekend....
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Re: DML MvR 425/17....Part 4....
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2025, 05:56:21 PM »
Looking amazing!
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