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Offline Borsos

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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2025, 04:56:32 AM »


SPAD VII is in our plans yes, Voisin is my dream, but Breguet XIV is kinda on the big side for us for now

I keep my Fingers crossed and I am sure that you will sell tons and tons  of SPADs and I will be among the buyers, but I would like to share your dream of Voisins.
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« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2025, 05:49:58 AM »
Yeah, but when the last Spad was released I did not really notice a lot of builds....

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« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2025, 06:22:52 PM »
Hi Edgar
Probably because this SPAD is in no way comparable in quality to CSM products and it requires significant improvement work.
Concerning the Voisin, what reasons prevent you from making your dream come true?   ;)

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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #108 on: January 03, 2025, 07:16:36 PM »
Just received my two Nieuports today, and the overall package is superb. I saw the plastic in the flesh at Telford so I know it is very high quality, but the range of options, the quality of the instructions and the attention to detail in the package is superb, easily the equal of Wingnuts. Fantastic value as well.

Also, Marc Chassard (a well-renowned Nieuport expert) provides the colour notes and some additional photos. That is a great touch as well.

Bravo Edgar and everyone at CSM!!


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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #109 on: January 03, 2025, 08:36:54 PM »
Hi Edgar
Probably because this SPAD is in no way comparable in quality to CSM products and it requires significant improvement work.
Concerning the Voisin, what reasons prevent you from making your dream come true?   ;)

The wingspan is a major challenge?it's quite significant, and I'm concerned the wings might sag, wings are not rather thin.... Another issue is the tailboom; it could be heavy, which raises the risk that the model won't stay  on its four wheels. These structural concerns are what hold me back for now.

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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #110 on: January 03, 2025, 11:42:08 PM »
Edgar,
         For a 1/32 Voisin or other large wingspan pusher aircraft, the wings could be molded in top and bottom halves so they would be hollow. This is it how Roden made their 1/48 Fokker D.VII wings. For 1/32nd scale, there would be space to attach tempered steel (music wire) spars. As there is no area in a Voisin fuselage in which to conceal a nose weight, the front of the fuselage would need to be a white metal casting.
        I hope that you will in the future consider producing 1/48th scale kits again.
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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2025, 09:01:34 PM »
Hi Edgar
Probably because this SPAD is in no way comparable in quality to CSM products and it requires significant improvement work.
Concerning the Voisin, what reasons prevent you from making your dream come true?   ;)

The wingspan is a major challenge?it's quite significant, and I'm concerned the wings might sag, wings are not rather thin.... Another issue is the tailboom; it could be heavy, which raises the risk that the model won't stay  on its four wheels. These structural concerns are what hold me back for now.

Regarding the SPAD, I think morane hit the nail. The SPAD is generally a difficult kit to build, I am afraid.

I see also all your points on the Voisin. But I built WNW?s Fe 2b some years ago. Its wingspan should be almost en par with a Voisin. The wings do not show any signs of sagging. The same on  the tailboom question: no deformation after years. I praise injection molded plastic  :)
Adding some strips of lead into the bottom of the nacelle and adding weight to the engine would be a possible solution for the tail-sitting issue. Maybe you could do a later Voisin with in-line engines that would cover more lead weight than the radials of the III/V?  Or filling the tank with weight? All given as an advise in the instructions for each individual modeler.
I am neither a material specialist nor have I any experiences with injection molding, but I would be happy to support your dream to release a Voisin ? it is also mine  :)
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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2025, 12:41:02 AM »
Edgar,
         For a 1/32 Voisin or other large wingspan pusher aircraft, the wings could be molded in top and bottom halves so they would be hollow. This is it how Roden made their 1/48 Fokker D.VII wings. For 1/32nd scale, there would be space to attach tempered steel (music wire) spars. As there is no area in a Voisin fuselage in which to conceal a nose weight, the front of the fuselage would need to be a white metal casting.
        I hope that you will in the future consider producing 1/48th scale kits again.
                                                                                                                        Barry

Sorry to say, but you can not do things with many other aeroplanes like with D.VII, don`t forget how thick the plywood wing was on D.VII. And we do not do white metal, that is not within our plastic model kits policy

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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2025, 01:00:25 AM »
Hi Edgar
Probably because this SPAD is in no way comparable in quality to CSM products and it requires significant improvement work.
Concerning the Voisin, what reasons prevent you from making your dream come true?   ;)

The wingspan is a major challenge?it's quite significant, and I'm concerned the wings might sag, wings are not rather thin.... Another issue is the tailboom; it could be heavy, which raises the risk that the model won't stay  on its four wheels. These structural concerns are what hold me back for now.

Regarding the SPAD, I think morane hit the nail. The SPAD is generally a difficult kit to build, I am afraid.

I see also all your points on the Voisin. But I built WNW?s Fe 2b some years ago. Its wingspan should be almost en par with a Voisin. The wings do not show any signs of sagging. The same on  the tailboom question: no deformation after years. I praise injection molded plastic  :)
Adding some strips of lead into the bottom of the nacelle and adding weight to the engine would be a possible solution for the tail-sitting issue. Maybe you could do a later Voisin with in-line engines that would cover more lead weight than the radials of the III/V?  Or filling the tank with weight? All given as an advise in the instructions for each individual modeler.
I am neither a material specialist nor have I any experiences with injection molding, but I would be happy to support your dream to release a Voisin ? it is also mine  :)

Thank you, Andreas! However, there are some notable differences between the two aeroplanes.

Wings
The FE 2b has a three-section wing design, meaning it needs to be built in three parts?similar to how you approached your FE 2b model from WNW. In contrast, the Voisin's wings consist of two halves joined at the center. This central join could create a weak point, potentially compromising the structure's stability. I believe this isn't an issue with the FE 2b due to its dihedral angle.

Tailbooms
The FE 2b tailbooms are comparable to those on the Caudron. These booms aren't simply suspended in mid-air; they provide an additional stability point, reinforced through the tailskid. On the other hand, the Voisin's tail is entirely unsupported, essentially "hanging" in the air. This means the tail needs to be as lightweight as possible to ensure the aeroplane can rest stably on its four wheels. Additionally, the Voisin's hollow fuselage compensates by distributing weight toward the nose.

I'm not saying these challenges can't be addressed, but they certainly add complexity to the process.


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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2025, 09:54:33 AM »
I keep my Fingers crossed and I am sure that you will sell tons and tons  of SPADs and I will be among the buyers, but I would like to share your dream of Voisins.

I think a CSM SPAD would undoubtedly sell in SPADES. But the Voisins ... well ... .

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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2025, 10:43:23 AM »
Late to this  ;Dparty- oh my will be getting. Late and early. Edgar congrats on another acclaimed kit!
Regarding SPAD. The SPAD VII would be most welcome and would sell a ton. The previous releases are of their era.
Building a CSM state or the art injection kit would delight modellers and more will be seen on show ( with even more in the stash). The new 3D company will probably see an opportunity here but hopefully CSM can give us an injection kit in the not too distant future  :D
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Re: CSM Nieuport 11
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2025, 11:06:02 PM »
Hooray, I got my parcel.
I am blown away, these kits look beyond any superlatives. The research that has been invested in these kits, including such details like inspection hatches or machine gun mounts, is fantastic and is clearly visible in the instructions that also get better and better with every CSM release.

Oh my, shall I really put my Albatros D. I aside to start one of these right now? I had sworn not to start too many projects at the same time again. . .
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« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2025, 02:35:03 AM »
Andreas, I really hesitated to start the Nieuport project, and the main reason was how well you built your last Nie11 on this forum, it was an excellent project that you finished how many years ago? But I think we the latest Nieuport XI we pushed the quality a bit forward)

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« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2025, 03:31:11 AM »
Morane refers to the difficulty of the Roden builds.  I would include Hobbycraft. In my experience with the SPAD everything is fine until you try to put the top wing on. Better kit engineering would help. Either very positive strong locators for the cabanes  plus good anchoring for the interplane struts. Another approach would be molded-in cabanes similar to the Hasegawa P-12 or Monogram F3F

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« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2025, 07:29:44 AM »
Morane refers to the difficulty of the Roden builds.  I would include Hobbycraft. In my experience with the SPAD everything is fine until you try to put the top wing on. Better kit engineering would help. Either very positive strong locators for the cabanes  plus good anchoring for the interplane struts. Another approach would be molded-in cabanes similar to the Hasegawa P-12 or Monogram F3F

Yes, Proper engineering will help. The Cabanes are indeed the key and as you stated interplane strut location points. Having built three Hobbycraft XIII's, One Roden XIII, and Three Roden VII's i can say the SPAD is a tricky build. To Me the most challenging thing is rigging those Double wrapped wires and the single wire that travel through the H Strut!
I am convinced that a Proper SPAD would Outsell a Starstrutter by Legions! JMHO,
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