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Offline Mike Norris

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Re: Halberstadt CL.II
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2023, 01:42:47 AM »
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The pictures of the BFW version all appear to be dark wood? The profile shows a light wood oak type finish, but I guess that’s just artistic licence?

If I do go down the wood fuselage route - I’d be torn between decals and oils, the decals can look great obviously, but in all honesty, when I see pictures of wooden fuselages - it’s very hard to see any wood effect per se, it looks more like the modelling oils to my eye? What do you reckon?

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Hi Guy,
Personally I prefer oils to decals.
I think decals look overstated with heavy grain and knots.
Also some look more like polished furniture wood than aircraft plywood's.
As you say, even at 1:32nd scale, wood grain is barely visible.
I feel the same about nail lines, which after market versions can make an aircraft look more like it's been built at a ship yard.
The sugestion of these effects is I think better than trying to 'accurately' model them,

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Re: Halberstadt CL.II
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2023, 02:23:11 AM »
Thanks Mike,

Yes, that’s my thinking too really, and it makes it easier too!

Guy
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Re: Halberstadt CL.II
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2023, 04:49:56 PM »
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The pictures of the BFW version all appear to be dark wood? The profile shows a light wood oak type finish, but I guess that’s just artistic licence?

If I do go down the wood fuselage route - I’d be torn between decals and oils, the decals can look great obviously, but in all honesty, when I see pictures of wooden fuselages - it’s very hard to see any wood effect per se, it looks more like the modelling oils to my eye? What do you reckon?

Guy

Like so much (not only in modeling  :)  ) I think it’s a matter of taste. I personally love to experiment how to achieve a “wooden” finish. I used both in the past, decals (always on clear carrier film) and Oils. I think to achieve a convincing wooden finish, post- and preshading, or better: playing with different color shades, is much more important than wood grain. I normally use several shades of “smoke” (e. g. Mr hobby’s) and tinted clears (orange and yellow, sometimes some red).
I am completely with Mike, often the wood grain on decals looks exaggerated. This comes, I’d say, mainly from a bad choice of decals by the specific modeler, as there are many decals on the market that show just very subtle graining. A problem with decals can be the presence of printing dots, which are especially visible when photographed with a macro-objective. I think the clues with decals are: 1. Never use decals printed on white decal paper (no preshading possible!) 2. Always choose carefully and have a bigger selection of decals to choose from, 3. use carefully tinted clear and/or oils to avoid the appearance of printing dots. You als can tone down wood grain which appears too exaggerated by over spraying it with a diluted version of the base color.
A problem with oils can be that it sometimes doesn’t look “right”. It doesn’t look like wood grain but just like what it is: smeared paint. Therefore I personally use only a very very tiny amount of oil color that has I “rubb” into the surface with a stiff brush rather than “streaking” it. I seal the surface with gloss clear before.
One thing I am still not sure about are PE spray stencils showing wood grain. A finish that was done with these quickly looks over exaggerated I am afraid. But perhaps I just need more practice. The wood grain, however, often looks more coarse and not as fine as done with oils or decals.
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Re: Halberstadt CL.II
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2023, 06:09:19 PM »
Thanks Andreas,

Yes, I agree with all you’ve said, I too, have used decals to good effect but I’m also convinced by subtle oils too. I think it comes down to the skill of the builder!

I have a slight preference to oils, just because in macro, it’s hard to eliminate every edge of every decal to perfection, but I may well experiment or go with the ‘standard’ factory stipple which I know I can achieve to look realistic.

But in the hands of an expert, wood is hard to beat!

Guy

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Re: Halberstadt CL.II
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2023, 03:30:11 AM »
As always I am looking forward to seeing more!
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