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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2023, 01:26:32 AM »
Thanks for the feedback, gents.  As for the tissue paper, I was even considering doping it the old fashioned way, though I'm not sure how it would react with the resin frame.  But saturating the paper with the super-thin CA glue is looking promising. As for the rigging, my brother picked up a photo-etching kit, so we're going to tinker with fabricating mounts for the wires.  This means even more tiny parts!  Going to do some test rigging on the center nacelle before moving on to the wings.


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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2023, 07:20:44 AM »
I think you and your brother are brave men Paul.

What you have accomplished so far is excellent.

A rare aircraft and rare craftsmanship. The last rendering makes me want to see more!

Willem

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2023, 07:51:57 AM »
Hey all,

In case anyone cares to see, we've made a bit more progress on our Navyplane project.  I'm still experimenting with wing surface coverings but meanwhile wanted to see how the wing assembly might pan out with some test pieces.  We designed the struts with .2mm metal stiffening wires running the entire length before the curing process. This proved successful, though we'll need to slightly beef up the strut thickness or maybe try stiffer wires, as these are a little too bendy.  The good news is, they fit well into the pre-set holes at each wing point, though even with the very thin MRP lacquer the holes were tight because of the paint layer.  We'll enlarge them with the next print.  This allows for a precision I could never achieve by manually drilling the strut holes as with all my old scratchbuilds. 



For a first attempt I'm pleasantly surprised how easy it all came together without anything breaking.  However, a close look shows there are some undulations with the leading edges, particularly at the joint of the center section and inner wings.  Warping to the struts as well.  We'll have to double-check our measurements so that all the parts print uniformly.  Also, I really should invest in that jig which was recommended a while back. This thing has a 71-ft wingspan and the misalignment of my test fit is shows.  That aside, it's remarkable how strong the pinpoint glue joints are and how light the framework is at this small scale... strong enough that one can pick the whole assembly up just from the wingtip.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2023, 08:36:11 AM »
I certainly care to see! The wing structure looks incredibly delicate. Just like you have got the translucency sorted I know you will fix the alignment of the wings and the (invisible to me in the photos) slight unevenness in the surface.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2023, 08:32:50 PM »
Goodness me, what incredible work on the wing structure!

I really do take my hat off to you scratch builders ......

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2023, 04:27:06 AM »
That is a superb piece of printing: that level of detail could not reasonably be achieved by conventional scratch building methods in this scale.

The aeroplane itself will lbe very impressive when it is completed.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2023, 07:49:37 AM »
I care too! It's always fascinating to see the latest update.
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2023, 09:48:47 AM »
Hey all,

In case anyone cares to see, we've made a bit more progress on our Navyplane project. 

”Care to see” is an understatement for sure! I’m also curious how you managed to attach those stiffeners?

Could you maybe also include holes for the rigging through the spars in the 3d design? That may be a little off, but could solve the issue. Otherwise PE fasteners may work - it certainly works with tissue paper,  especially if you attach them before sealing the paper with varnish - the glue will attack the PE directly to the underlying spars due to the porosity of the paper.

Following with much interest, and getting eager to try 3d printing myself. As said, this is beyond what is feasible with traditional methods.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2023, 05:36:17 AM »
Hey again all,

Thanks as always for the kind words and insightful feedback.

Could you maybe also include holes for the rigging through the spars in the 3d design? That may be a little off, but could solve the issue. Otherwise PE fasteners may work - it certainly works with tissue paper,  especially if you attach them before sealing the paper with varnish - the glue will attack the PE directly to the underlying spars due to the porosity of the paper.

Good thought about holes in the spars!  Yes this could be designed into the print.  Though space is tight in this scale I think it would be workable.  I add this experiment to our to-do list. 

Meanwhile, I thought I'd share my brother's design progress on the Salmson 2M7 Canton-Unne 14-cylinder radial engine.  This thing is a model in its own right.  We scoured the internet looking clear images and detailed plans but couldn't find more than a handful of truly worthwhile images and a couple of period sketches.  Thanks to the one or two people that helped in our search along the way.  Here's where a working knowledge of how to use 3-D design programs really comes into play (too advanced for me).  A lot of small pieces... counting the push rods and ignition wiring, there will be over fifty parts to this thing. Still working on the fit and contour of the cylinders. There will be some guesswork as to what the back of the engine looks like and we're still searching for images. Thanks for looking.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2023, 02:18:41 AM »
That looks like a Small Stuff engine - they are miniature models too. Superb detailing.

Stephen.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2023, 03:50:52 AM »
Wow!  That Salmson is looking great. So much detail in such a small package. 

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2023, 03:56:44 AM »
Amazing detail on the engine. I had to double check that is 1/72!
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2023, 06:19:22 PM »
That engine looks great and beautifully detailed. I agree with Richie; it is hard to believe this is in 1/72!

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2023, 09:56:23 PM »
What incredible detail on this engine - and in 72nd scale - wow!

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2023, 01:44:59 PM »
Hey gang,

Making slow but steady progress on the final design aspects of the airframe.  Latest efforts have been on sorting out the forest of tail booms and empennage placement with the handful of images we have to work from.  All 3-D printed, with steel wires running through where possible/practical.  Still a bit wonky and fragile (you can see a few loose joints/breaks), but we're starting to sort it all out.

 

On the rendering front I'm starting to focus on the smaller details, such as the anchor and armored seats.  This particular first attempt is based on the 'armored' sheet-metal Sopwith Pup design.  I was able to roll the metal crest rail and get piping on the leather slip seat, but need to learn how to render the cushion tufting.  Don't have any photos of the actual seat but a cockpit sketch I posted previously offers a glimpse of what looks like an upholstered back.  Probably have spent five hours trying to create this tiny thing.  Still learning a little every day.

 

Thanks for looking.  Till next time...
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