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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2025, 09:07:30 PM »
Hi Nigel

Yes I was aware of those issues and surprised as I had not read of this sort of thing with the 1/24. It was only the upper half of the top wing.

It has been very humid here in Sydney the last few days with some very hot days as well. That may not have helped.

I am a little concerned at the weight of the top wing now but the struts seem sturdy enough.

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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2025, 02:23:12 AM »
Hi Nigel

Yes I was aware of those issues and surprised as I had not read of this sort of thing with the 1/24. It was only the upper half of the top wing.

It has been very humid here in Sydney the last few days with some very hot days as well. That may not have helped.

I am a little concerned at the weight of the top wing now but the struts seem sturdy enough.

I found the same issue with mine built for the Dave Wilson GB last year. I used a slightly different method to correct the warp:

RAGIII

Just scroll down on the first page of the build.

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=14413.0

PS: Your interior looks excellent!

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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2025, 07:15:14 PM »
An update..sort of....

When I first recived the Meng kit I was halfway through the build of the Merit 1/24 DR1, ( I think it goes by the 'I Love' brand now). Anyway this was relegated to the shelf of doom as I progressed with the Meng kit.

As readers of this thread are aware that went into hibernation for a while and I have been progressing it the last few weeks. I was at the point where I had to think deeply about the Fokker streaking and read up the various threads ( thanks again for your excellent thread RAGIIII) and elsewhere and asked questions on this thread.

So I had a thought, why not practise on the Merit kit and Voila!..I did !

Not only that I tried a couple of different base colours ( Tamiya XF55 Deck Tan and XF60 Dark Yellow ) to see what if any effects and I also mixed in different shades of red to the olive green oil and even some Prussian Blue..again inspired and intrigued by RAGIIIs thread.

Results are attached , the right side of all aprts are base coloured XF55 and the left are XF60, the top wing has olve drab oil with no red but the merest hint of Prussian Blue dabbed on after the olive drab was streaked on, the middle and lower wing and the fuselage has olive drab mixed with a touch of red before application ( again a tiny amount) and on the left fuselage side some Prussian Blue.

My first conclusion is the Dark Yellow XF60 is the base colour I want when I compare to the painting by Russell Smith I am referencing against, theres not much differnce but its tehre in real life.

The most noticeable effect is when you mix the red in with the olive drab it becmoes notciable darker and again more in line with the painting and with some other models I have seen.

I will also add Prussian blue but tiny dabs very sparingly as its effect is intense but it adds to the mix I think.

The other learning is using a damp brush needs care as even if you think its almost dry it can take a lot of the oil streak off. One of the critical points from RAGI's thread is the use of a soft clean  and dry brush to blend the raised oil pigment together.

I am quite happy with it, the process was fun and it looks better in real life than the photos, so much so that I will be finsihing the Merit kit in parrallel !!

Anyway, tell us what you think....The last photo is the Meng kit base coated and ready for its turn at streaking !!
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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2025, 07:15:36 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2025, 07:15:57 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2025, 07:16:32 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2025, 07:16:50 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2025, 07:19:14 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2025, 07:19:40 PM »
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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2025, 07:35:48 PM »
The effect is looking good and when I've done it this way in the past, I found oils is the way to go. Personally I would try to get more contrast between the streaks and the underlying fabric colour, when you look at photos you can see very distinct brush marks on most DrIs. But maybe the photos are hiding some of the contrast?

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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2025, 07:59:11 PM »
I agree Nigel. The top wing especially especially became too 'blended' with a soft brush but with the other wings and fuselage sides it's more pronounced but the photos don't help.I think that's where the Prussian Blue will come in at the final stage.

One other learning I did not mention is don't assemble the model... Streak first...it was a bugger doing the bottom wing.

one question...I just read on another forum that streaking on the top of the fuselage was applied on a 45deg angle..
Is this correct?

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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2025, 10:22:28 PM »
Glad you picked up on the 'blended' or soft appearance; as Nigel suggests a little more contrast between the streak edges will make it sing. I really like the colours and technique though :)

In answer to your question I believe the upper fuselage streaking is at an angle about 45 degrees and the tailplane streaking similar although not the same as the fuselage (as if they were painted as separate items and then fitted together)

FWIW I attached the middle wing first on all my DR1's so that I could streak the bottom one more easily and then attached the lower one and touched up the undersides where required

Coming along really nicely. I'm almost tempted to pick one of these Meng kits up myself

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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2025, 01:28:21 AM »
one question...I just read on another forum that streaking on the top of the fuselage was applied on a 45deg angle..
Is this correct?
Like Paul said, photos show the streaking angled down from right (top) to left (bottom) as you look from behind t he plane.

There are some good images on this page: http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/0FE7BA11B2C188EBE77585B2A992978C


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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2025, 02:12:06 AM »
one question...I just read on another forum that streaking on the top of the fuselage was applied on a 45deg angle..
Is this correct?
Like Paul said, photos show the streaking angled down from right (top) to left (bottom) as you look from behind t he plane.

There are some good images on this page: http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/0FE7BA11B2C188EBE77585B2A992978C

Just for the record I agree about the contrast. The Beauty of oils is that you have time to go back with a brush dampened, not soaked, with thinner and remove some of the unwanted color.

As for the angle of the streaks the wings were usually streaked at the angle you suggest but there are some exceptions. The fuselage spine has lots of variations including some very close to going from front to back. The tail is almost always at the angle suggested. JMHO.
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Re: MENG 1/24 DR1 FOKKER TRIPLANE
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2025, 07:15:53 AM »
Heeding the fedback I woke up this morning and 'dabbled' some more!

With an almost dry brush I applied some additional streaking in straight olive drab to the existing scheme which had also fully dried. Tiny amounts of oil spread thinly by the brush.

I was'nt sure this was going to work but I didnt want to remove all my previous work and start from scratch.

15 minutes later and this was the result which I am pretty happy with. I was even able to introduce diagonal streaking on the upper turtledeck.

Oils are very forgiving as RAGIII mentions. I also took the liberty of applying a straight brush coat of olive drab oil onto the forward cockpit coaming rather than airbrush it, with acrylics, at a later stage.

I hope you agree.
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