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Offline Nigel Jackson

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Mister Kit colours
« on: December 15, 2012, 02:03:03 AM »
Hello All

I'm running out of excuses ....

... and will have to start building a Wingnut Wings model as soon as possible after Christmas. The Pup has finally landed - which I selected in the belief that it would be a rather more straightforward build than some of the others and the Mister Kit paints have arrived from Nordland Models. 

I have just a couple of questions about the Mister Kit acrylics which may have been asked before but I couldn't spot anything. Apologies if the answers are already there somewhere.  The colours I've bought are their take on PC10, PC12 and Clear-Doped Linen. In addition I've got four of their French colours with a view to a Spad (Beige, Dark Green, Light Green and Chestnut Brown).

Notwithstanding the facts that the colours are toned down and that PCs 10 and 12 pose their own complexities during active service, what is the feeling about these Mister Kit products?

How about application? Do they hand brush well or are they best suited to airbrushing?

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Nigel

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 04:12:06 AM »
Nigel, I've used Misterkit paints a number of times and really like them.  They brush on beautifully straight out of the bottle and, for airbrushing, I thin them just with water and a single drop of Windex to break the surface tension.  I love the colors.  They seem quite accurate to me, except the PC12 seemed a little on the grey side.  I used it on my DH4 and am pleased with the result, however.


I used 3 of the 4 French colors you ordered on my Nieuport 11 and really like the way they look.  I'll let you be the judge:


I hope this was of some help to you.
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Bud
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 04:25:25 AM »
Thanks for the advice Bud and two really useful photos; you're putting my mind to rest.

I think that one of my worries about the colours was that the PC10 and the PC12 seemed a bit greyish, although that may say more about the colour mixes I have  been using.

You mention the use of Windex but I'm not quite sure what that is. Could you add a bit more for me?

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Nigel

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 04:42:09 AM »
Windex is a window cleaning solution made up, primarily, of water,  isopropyl alcohol, ethylene glycol monobutyl ether,  sodium lauryl sulfate (a surfactant),  tetrasodium pyrophosphate (a water softener) and either ammonia or vinegar, depending on the type you buy.  If you can't find anything similar, just isopropyl alcohol will do.
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Bud
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 05:18:56 AM »
  Nigel,
I thin my Mister Kit paints with future floor polish. Although I'm not certain Future is available in France I believe it's available in the UK under the brand name of Cleer. I use my all airbrush for 99.9% of all my painting and have never had any difficulties. Looking forward to seeing your Pup build thread my friend.
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 06:23:48 PM »
You can get Mister Kits paint in the UK now from http://modelskills.co.uk/

I thin with Tamiya X-20A, absolutely no problems. Sprays beautifully.

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 06:55:47 PM »
Not sure if the formulation has changed since got mine a few years ago, but I thought the PC10 was too greenish and the PC-12 not dark enough. I found they needed a sympathetic coloured undercoat because their coverage wasn't very good (this was brush painting). Adding Klear/Fuiture would certainly make the finish more durable, I found it didn't like handling very much and easily rubbed off around leading edges etc.

Here is my Short 184 with Misterkit PC12 finish

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 09:04:18 PM »
First, thank you all for the advice that has come in. I really appreciate the time taken and the inspiring photos. Here in France, the equivalent of Klear/Future is Klir which I've tended to use to create a non-matt surface for decals and as a final protective coat.

As to the Mister Kit PC10 and PC12 I have to admit that they did surprise me, even though I'm aware of the foolhardiness of dogmatic positions in relation to both actual (initial and weathered) and scale appearance. With not too many creative bones in my body, my starting position has been the published work and models of others. So, when I received the paints I went straight to the bookshelf and plucked out the Windsock Fabric Special No. 2,  Bruce Robertson's 1996 work WWI British Aeroplane Colours and Markings, which also includes colour plates by Ray Rimmell.  On Page 27 there are what are described as PC10 (average) actual fabric and PC12 (average) actual fabric images and these clearly inform Ray's plates. I also took out a random sample of Windsock magazines and datafiles to see what the work of others threw up.

Accepting and understanding the limitations that may effect published colour representations I was left in some doubt as to the acrylics I had bought. The PC10 seemed not too far off in my mind, though still a distance from my normal approach (because of course it is a matter of personal perception). It was the PC12 that came as the biggest surprise. Back in the mists of time, well actually 1968, I'd read the appendixes to Keith Munson's lovely little Blandford volumes on Fighters 1914-19 and Bombers 1914-19 which paid fulsome tribute to the research of Ian D. Huntley  and states that PC12 was a dark reddish-brown and refers to the standard dark brown (pages 176  and 176-7 respectively in the former). This is the impression I've been left with having admired the work of various modellers. Is this view now recognised as off-beam?

Like Jamo (whose Short 184 is masterly), I sense that the Mister Kit PC12 is not quite right. Perhaps Jamo is right about the need for sympathetic coloured undercoat. As I hold the jar of PC12 before me, I would struggle to describe it as either a dark-reddish brown or to equate it to what I have read and seen in various publications. It seems distinctly greyish to me and a long way from what Jamo has been able to achieve. I wonder if the mix has been changed? The cover of the Fabric Special mentioned above shows an Armstrong Whitworth FK3 sporting partial PC10 fuselage surfaces. To my aging eyes this actually seems very close to the Mister Kit PC12.

I want to applaud Mister Kit wholeheartedly for dedicating colours to our field and they will clearly not just have plucked the colour mixes out of thin air. I so want it to be right, but probably need some reassurance.

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Nigel

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 01:52:09 AM »
I've always loved this Short of yours, James.  It inspired me to seek out and purchase the old TC Resins 1/48 Short 184, which I have yet to build.  Your PC12 is what I expect PC12 to look like.  I'm with you on this one, Nigel.  The Misterkit PC12 is far too grey and not brown enough.  My favorite PC10 is Mr. Color 304 Olive Drab mixed with 41 Red Brown.  These are laquers and they dry rock hard.  No adhesion problems at all.  For my next project requiring PC12, I intend to use 41 with just a drop of 304.  As for your immediate problem, Nigel, maybe you could add a drop of red and several drops of Chestnut Brown to acheive your desired result.  Bonne chance!
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Bud
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 05:25:23 AM »
Hello, Nigel and All,

A year or two ago, in a burst of uncharacteristic enthusiasm, I purchased several bottles of Misterkit paints: German, French and British colours, just to give them a try. In some cases, they worked well, in other cases, not. In the posts on this thread to date, I read the following:

"I thin them just with water and a single drop of Windex to break the surface tension."

"I thin my Mister Kit paints with future floor polish."

"I thin with Tamiya X-20A, absolutely no problems."


At the risk of being a bit of a pain, I'd like the authors of these comments to advise us as to the ratio of thinner to paint they use, and at what pressure they spray the paints.

The reason that this known Xtracolor fan is asking is that I'd like to use my MK paints on a few of my WNW kits: SE5a, Sopwith Triplane, possibly the Snipe and hopefully (in the fullness of time) a Camel. I'm using Xtracolor on the Group Build because of time constraints. In essence, I've got these MK paints so I really should use them, and I expect that ratio and pressure data will help significantly.

TIA for any information. It will be most welcome!  8)
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2012, 09:31:57 AM »
I've always loved this Short of yours, James.  It inspired me to seek out and purchase the old TC Resins 1/48 Short 184, which I have yet to build.  Your PC12 is what I expect PC12 to look like.  . . .
Cheers,
Bud

Thanks Bud. I am quite taken with the Short 184 and I am trying to get another one, which would be my third. Hopefully WNW will make one  8)
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 08:05:05 PM »
Thanks Bud and others

Oh God! Is it really back to the mixing and concocting? Will I never learn? Memo to self: even if it says PC12 in the advert and on the jar ..... check in the forum first.

Life must be so much simpler for an old acquaintance I had the good fortune to meet on a recent trip back  to the UK. PC12 problem? What problem? He just lightly sprayed Tamiya's TS-1 Red Brown and moved on. My protests fell on deaf ears.

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 12:16:08 AM »
Thanks Bud and others

Oh God! Is it really back to the mixing and concocting? Will I never learn? Memo to self: even if it says PC12 in the advert and on the jar ..... check in the forum first.

Life must be so much simpler for an old acquaintance I had the good fortune to meet on a recent trip back  to the UK. PC12 problem? What problem? He just lightly sprayed Tamiya's TS-1 Red Brown and moved on. My protests fell on deaf ears.

Best wishes
Nigel




Nigel,
   I too would be horrified however, truth to be known, your friend's version of PC12 could not be challenged any more then the "mixes" you and I would no doubt concoct. (and he would have much less time invested in the issue!)
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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2012, 06:53:30 PM »
Hello, Nigel and All,

A year or two ago, in a burst of uncharacteristic enthusiasm, I purchased several bottles of Misterkit paints: German, French and British colours, just to give them a try. In some cases, they worked well, in other cases, not. In the posts on this thread to date, I read the following:

"I thin them just with water and a single drop of Windex to break the surface tension."

"I thin my Mister Kit paints with future floor polish."

"I thin with Tamiya X-20A, absolutely no problems."


At the risk of being a bit of a pain, I'd like the authors of these comments to advise us as to the ratio of thinner to paint they use, and at what pressure they spray the paints.

The reason that this known Xtracolor fan is asking is that I'd like to use my MK paints on a few of my WNW kits: SE5a, Sopwith Triplane, possibly the Snipe and hopefully (in the fullness of time) a Camel. I'm using Xtracolor on the Group Build because of time constraints. In essence, I've got these MK paints so I really should use them, and I expect that ratio and pressure data will help significantly.

TIA for any information. It will be most welcome!  8)

Paint to X-20A about 50/50. Exact ratio depends on your likes re airbrush, pressure etc. I usually spray at around 25 psi and use an H&S Evolution

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Re: Mister Kit colours
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 06:25:33 AM »
Thx, PDH,

I tried a 50:50 mix using MK PC10 and Tamiya X20A. I found it to be a bit too thin for me, but I used 18psi through an Iwata HP-C. I'll try a higher pressure first, then a slightly thicker mix.
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Gary

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