Just got my WNW DVII F

[kornbeef]

An interesting and quite educational discussion but.... at the end of the day WNW include the *slogan* on their decal sheet so kind of ..welll yes.

[cgandiaga]

I have to admit I'm tempted to just say "F it" and put it on the tailplane.   It looks cool, and it's not like I'll be entering any contests soon..

[petrov27]

For DDN there are a number of choices I see based on all the articles and the extremely lengthy discussion posts/arguments on another site:

-Fokker Built or OAW (I lean to believing it was Fok built)
-Red vs. Black stripes on top wing (I lean to the red)
-All red fuselage vs. black nose, red fuse (I lean to the all red)
-Turtle-deck behind cockpit, red, vs. white, vs. white stripes (I lean to red again)

I built a 1/72nd scale of DDN many years ago with the old Blue Rider decal sheet and the ancient Revell kit - it turned out fantastic - probably my favorite build that I was the most happy with the result so and I am building a WNW Fokker as DDN

To add to this though - it is your model and I would agree that the slogan on the tail is cool - and frankly there is no proof Udet didnt add it to his DVIIF after the pics were taken of it

[BoRoss78]

‘Udet’s Fokker D.VII Fighters’ by Dan-San Abbott, Windsock Vol.4, Spring 1989.  Oblt. Ernst Udet's "Du doch nicht!!" was a Fokker Co. built D.VII.

My italics and emphasis. Just a note of caution on making such a clear statement of "fact".......... It aint necessarily so, as the song goes.

For everyone's peace of mind, and to avoid any speculation, I am using the article in the Windsock Fokker anthology vol.2 "The Importance of being Erni's" by Dave Roberts as my principle reference for these markings and this article speculates that "Du doch..." was probably OAW built. . .

Except Udet gave Wanamaker a photo of his Fok. D.VII when he shot him down 2 July 1918.  An Early Fokker built D.VII.  Udet lost DDN on 29 June 1918.  He rec'd it on about 13 June 1918 took photos of it with cowlings on after it was marked.  After Udet shot Wanamaker down he visited him and they began an a friendship that lasted even after the war.  It was at that visit Udet gave him the photo.  At least according to Wanamaker.  The photo is not the best quality but has the Fokker Co. hallmarks.

[stefanbuss]

To my mind there is no better example of the WWI marking sleuth's art than Dave Robert's careful and amusing article in the second Anthology volume - indeed the whole three-volume oeuvre is highly recommended, as is Ray Rimell's exemplary approach to the colours and markings issue.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

Stefan

[rowan broadbent]

‘Udet’s Fokker D.VII Fighters’ by Dan-San Abbott, Windsock Vol.4, Spring 1989.  Oblt. Ernst Udet's "Du doch nicht!!" was a Fokker Co. built D.VII.

My italics and emphasis. Just a note of caution on making such a clear statement of "fact".......... It aint necessarily so, as the song goes.

For everyone's peace of mind, and to avoid any speculation, I am using the article in the Windsock Fokker anthology vol.2 "The Importance of being Erni's" by Dave Roberts as my principle reference for these markings and this article speculates that "Du doch..." was probably OAW built. . .

Except Udet gave Wanamaker a photo of his Fok. D.VII when he shot him down 2 July 1918.  An Early Fokker built D.VII.  Udet lost DDN on 29 June 1918.  He rec'd it on about 13 June 1918 took photos of it with cowlings on after it was marked.  After Udet shot Wanamaker down he visited him and they began an a friendship that lasted even after the war.  It was at that visit Udet gave him the photo.  At least according to Wanamaker.  The photo is not the best quality but has the Fokker Co. hallmarks.

BoRoss, can I ask that if you have definite information you post it? You are so far offering northing that is more than your opinion based on what could be published info, or it could be anecdotal - you offer no clue. Do you see the problem? If you have this photo or can say where it can be seen, if it is published, then can you tell us where? In addition what are the "Fokker Co. hallmarks" seen in the photograph?

Let us see this photograph and its provenance and we can then draw our own conclusions. As far as I can tell from what you've written so far it could be the Du Doch machine or not, the date it was given to the downed pilot could be as you state it might be, or not (you imply that there may be some doubt "At least according to Wanamaker" ). I know that this might sound critical and I have no wish to be unfriendly but so far you aren't offering anything except your opinion based on something nobody else can form a judgement on.

[BoRoss78]

Actually it has been offered over on the areodrome.  I note you are not a member there.  So you probably won't be able to see the posted image.  Get with Greg VanWyngarden I am sure he has a copy of the image.  By the way I don't take you as unfriendly but to be concise,  Mr. Robert has known to make a few mistakes in his Anthology series especially when it came to designations.  One note further, the evidence of Wanamaker & Udet's meeting(s) is readily available.  Wanamaker even though seriously wounded signed the rudder fabric from his Nieuport 28 for Udet.  Here is some evidence for you.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=719

[RAGIII]

Actually it has been offered over on the areodrome.  I note you are not a member there.  So you probably won't be able to see the posted image.  Get with Greg VanWyngarden I am sure he has a copy of the image.  By the way I don't take you as unfriendly but to be concise,  Mr. Robert has known to make a few mistakes in his Anthology series especially when it came to designations.  One note further, the evidence of Wanamaker & Udet's meeting(s) is readily available.  Wanamaker even though seriously wounded signed the rudder fabric from his Nieuport 28 for Udet.  Here is some evidence for you.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=719

I am a member at the Drome. I did a quick search but couldn't find the photo. Are you speaking of the infamous photo on Udets Wall or another? If you could post a link I would like to read the thread. Thanks in advance! I am open to either interpretation at this point. I once felt sure it would be an early Fokker built aircraft but now....
RAGIII