Author Topic: I have enemies at AIRFIX....  (Read 1807 times)

Offline Pfalz_Phan

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 28
I have enemies at AIRFIX....
« on: August 11, 2016, 03:05:00 AM »
I got an Avro 405 in a multi kit buy and a BE2c (Because I read you could use the wings to make a FE) from AIRFIX. Now I got the idea in my head to make one of the Zeppelin raiders out of the Avro, except besides it's problem with being a good Avro, it is the wrong type/model for a Zeppelin raider. The other problem is no one seems to agree that they were modified double seaters, with the front position used for a fuel tank. Of course markings are in question.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205092750

The BE2c, according to AIRFIX, for Robinson's plane, it was a two seater. Others state it too was converted from a two seater to a single seater to increase fuel carried. Also, markings are in question.
http://www.rayrimellsww1world.com/william-leefe-robinson-and-the-cuffley-airship-100-years-on/

Anyone have an idea where I can get info on these planes and the mods needed?


Offline Pfalz_Phan

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 28
Re: I have enemies at AIRFIX....
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 05:28:36 AM »
I got the windsock #56 and AIRFIX FEB69 w/ 504K article, show the 504 cowling as per the model that bomb the Zeppelin hangers. Now this link shows an open cowling:
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205318573

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205318575

I guess either these cowlings can be adjusted for maintenance, or these cowlings have not been drawn yet?

Are these different cowlings from the 504B?

simon

Offline PrzemoL

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5670
  • There was Eru... and he made first the Ainur...
    • Przemysław Litewka
Re: I have enemies at AIRFIX....
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 06:00:36 PM »
Hi, sorry to read your question only now. I have just completed my build of Airfix BE.2c - here in this forum. It is basically one of the possible interpretations of what can be seen in two close-up photos of Robinson's 2693 and in a photo of Sowrey's 4111, which served simultaneously in 39 Sqn in Suttons Farm that famous September 1916.
Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.

Offline stevehed

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
Re: I have enemies at AIRFIX....
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 11:45:33 PM »
Hi,
     I have the Osprey book which covers the Zeppelin Base raids of 1914. The author is Ian Castle who states that an additional fuel tank had to be fitted into the front cockpit and that it was then faired over. On the next page is a photo of Avro no 179 and the front cockpit is clearly faired over. However no 874 was brought down and captured. It was dismantled and sent by rail to Berlin for evaluation and a photo of the wingless fuselage on a flat wagon is on page 48. This aircraft has the front cockpit open and both cockpits are occupied. A picture of all three aircraft on page 37, admittedly long distance, appears to show a slight dip in the forward section of 874 while the other two appear faired over. Page 48 best shows the cowling which is not the horseshoe type that the 504K sports. It is the earlier version with fillets on each side and is the main reason I think that several modellers, including myself, have put off attempting a conversion to an earlier type.

Regards, Steve

Offline Pfalz_Phan

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 28
Re: I have enemies at AIRFIX....
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 06:20:39 AM »
Thanks to both.
I am surprised at the lack of data due to the importance of both events, in which at least with the Zep raid, the RNAS appears not to have been afraid of the camera before lifting off.
As for the other, once again, the importance propaganda wise created post event photo/film taking.  I will stick my neck out based on what little I have dug up.

The four aircraft being discussed had the extra fuel tank. I suspect this was a normal adaption, like drop tanks in WW2. For the Zep raid to reach the target with what little bomb load they had. For the Zep chasers, once aloft, they pretty much were on their own as far as guidance, looking for either eyes on target or indicators (Search lights, flashes, bomb bursts) which would require an increase in endurance.  I think you could make the case that the command felt better to keep then in the air vs risk losing them in landing accidents on the hope they could be refueled and redirected to where the Zeps were last reported. I admit my logic maybe twisted, and when it comes to the military, logic is not always the first concern, but, aircraft performance, and the level of skill of the pilots would seem to support the spare tank. As for why the tank is not seen in the post crash photos, either the Huns pulled it out, or it may have been ejected in the crash.  Could the Avro have made the flight to the target and back without the spare tank?
As for cowling, from the front it looks like a cup cake in a cake box. The cowling much larger then the engine.