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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: PrzemoL on August 05, 2018, 05:27:42 AM
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The time has come for me to build this oldie kit from WNW. I missed the original boxing but when Camels were released, I grabbed one duellists set with the intention to build one of few Polish examples used in 1919/1920. My attention was drawn to the camouflaged aircraft from 7th Squadron, before it became the famous American-volunteer manned unit. There are four photos of this aircraft available - a rare treasure in our history range, isn't it?
(https://image.ibb.co/daopRK/lvg_c6_04.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kfx50e/lvg_c6_01.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/hP9w6K/lvg_c6_02.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/c2himK/lvg_c6_03.jpg)
As is pointed out in many places, even by the WNW themselves, the kit is basic as for the interior and has some serious omissions. Luckily, Jamo took many excellent photos (many thanks, James!!!) and made them available in this Forum, so there is a great source of knowledge for those who wish to correct some problems. I will try at least.
I have started with the Benz engine. I have chosen the cylinder bank parts without crude imitation of valve push rods and added them from silver wire. Missing electric cables leads were scratch built from plastic profile, together with the cables themselves. One is already attached, Also a few water pipes will need to be added, one of them is visible in the last photo among other bits - like the bands added on the magnetos it is still waiting for some paint.
(https://image.ibb.co/bJYpRK/lvgc6_31.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/hVgLYz/lvgc6_32.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mVeURK/lvgc6_33.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dqbnDz/lvgc6_34.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dSPJLe/lvgc6_35.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bvddLe/lvgc6_36.jpg)
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Hello PrzemoL, a very very good start with the Benz engine.
Yes, this is a kit from the early days of Wingnut Wings and, unfortunately, fraught with many mistakes.
You're right, James has set a lot of very good pictures from the original (rebuilt) "Mia". Also many thanks from my side on this way to @Jamo.
PrzemoL, if you really want to banish EVERY mistake from this kit, then I wish you much spare time - you will need it. :-\
.... I'm just back at my LVG and create the missing Walls and Formers in the engine-bay.
Servus
Bertl
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Thank you, Bertl, for looking into my project.
Well, That would be too insolent of mine to claim correcting all the mistakes. Yet, I will try to deal with the most striking ones. And yes, I remember your great thread showing your spectacular efforts. May I hope, that now, when Photobucket photos are back, could you possibly restart your thread... Please. :)
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I really like your engine stand. Numerous times I've damaged an engine by setting it down and something tiny and fragile breaks. Your stand is perfect. Consider the idea blatantly stolen :-)
sp
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A very impressive start PrzemoL. Who would have thought a Wingnuts kit could ever be regarded as omitting detail or contain errors? It shows how far Wingnuts has come since 2009. The LVG is on my to-build list too but the Junkers D.1 just pushed it out of the No.1 next build position.
Please keep us updated with this build.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Lovely looking aircraft Prze,
Can’t wait to see what you do with this!
Guy
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A nice start on that one.
Best regards
Andreas
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Having just finished the LVG "Mia" I'll be looking at this log for sure. If only to see everything I missed and that you will render more correctly! I already like your engine rendition much more than mine. Too late...
Cheers
Alistair
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Great topic! I will follow closely. Love last photo you have attached..it looks very "representative" ;)
regards
K
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Nice start. I will follow this build carefully.
Bye,
Manni
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Thank you for your interest and kind words. However, I really think we should all ask Bertl nicely to restart his thread.
And in the meantime, some more progress on the Benz.
(https://image.ibb.co/dmJgae/lvgc6_37.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/gQj9Tz/lvgc6_38.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/izsJMK/lvgc6_39.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/hvqioz/lvgc6_40.jpg)
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Super
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Thanks, Artur.
The work on the engine is basically completed. There will be some further installations (fuel, linkages) to be added when it lands on its bearers.
(https://image.ibb.co/ka7uWK/lvgc6_41.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mgwzyz/lvgc6_43.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mYdq5e/lvgc6_42.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bPgorK/lvgc6_44.jpg)
YOu might notice that besides adding missing tubing and wires I hav modified the oil tank, which was too long.
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Not only shortened the Oiltank, also a beautiful detail work on the levers of the ignition adjustment in the two Magnetos.
Love it! ;)
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Not only shortened the Oiltank, also a beautiful detail work on the levers of the ignition adjustment in the two Magnetos.
Love it! ;)
Hawk eye! You have noticed that I tried to add it. Well, it is very simplified, but at least suggests something :)
Thanks, Bertl. :)
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Amazing start to this project!!
Steve
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Thank you, Pepperman!
I have started with cockpit. The great photos taken by Jamo reveal some differences between the replica of LVG and WNW kit proposal from 2009. Three of them for the starters:
1.The magneto is not on the instrument panel but on the side panel - duly cut from the kit part, the scar filled and awaiting cleaning
(https://image.ibb.co/dP7Ske/lvgc6_45.jpg)
2.Short formers over the top longeron in the pilot office have to be moved forward
(https://image.ibb.co/jJHSke/lvgc6_46.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/j4P7ke/lvgc6_47.jpg)
3. And the bulkhead behind the pilot has too low and too wide opening
(https://image.ibb.co/kzB9yz/lvgc6_48.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cdUUyz/lvgc6_49.jpg)
This final forming and cleaning of this one will have to wait until the glue on the inserts at the bottom sets well.
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Stunning engine (as always). I'm jealous but, at least with the cowls on, most of these improvements would be invisible on my model.
I understand from a contact at TVAL that some of the bulkhead details on the LVG that Jamo photographed relate to modern aviation regulation requirements and are not consistent with the original. Discovering which is which is difficult though. But I appreciate seeing your modifications!
Cheers
Alistair
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Thanks, Alistair.
As for the engine, I plan to leave the side cowls off to allow for the insight into the engine installation.
And the bulkheads... Thanks for letting me know. Anyway, my model will be a sort of compromise between WNW kit, the LVG replica and, first of all - my limitations in imitating what can be seen in photos.
The work on cockpit continues. The kit bits are basically done. So are HGW seatbelts and some spare straps to make for the hanging for the observer's seat. There are still some bits to be added - control cables, the linkages from the left-side panel levers, fuel lines, the mechanism for camera opening cover, compass, fuel gauge, etc...
And when adding cockpit decals I also put the engine number and producer plate on its left side front.
(https://image.ibb.co/j5vUmU/lvgc6_50.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/jGjdfp/lvgc6_51.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cG34Lp/lvgc6_52.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kXMr0p/lvgc6_54.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/iVWft9/lvgc6_56.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/jBF6Y9/lvgc6_53.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/htDh6U/lvgc6_55.jpg)
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Great work, Prze! The different wood tones bring a lot of variety into the model.
Bye,
Manni
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Amazing work!!
Steve
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Great work, Prze! The different wood tones bring a lot of variety into the model.
Bye,
Manni
Agree with Manni and your other details are fantastic too.
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Wonderful as always. The two tone wood work is great - I wish I'd done that - next time!
Cheers
Alistair
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Thanks a lot, gentlemen, for your kind words.
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Some more work on the cockpit. Several missing bits added:
compass (scratch), fuel valve (scratch), first aid kit (scratch), pulley for camera cover linkage (scratch), aerial reel moved from the rear bulkhead to the side
(https://image.ibb.co/h0RB8K/lvgc6_57.jpg)
ignition starter (scratch), carburettor stop linkage ??? (scratch)
(https://image.ibb.co/cGU9vz/lvgc6_58.jpg)
Oil pump (scratch), Spandau trigger cable (scratch), another cable on the control stick (scratch) and few bits from HGW PE - fuel tank retaining straps, rudder cable pulleys, control cables...
(https://image.ibb.co/kSEbaz/lvgc6_59.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/higNFz/lvgc6_60.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/nk9W8K/lvgc6_61.jpg)
There are still some fuel and oil pipes which I plan to add.
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As always, Przemo, your work is flawless! So clean and tight. Perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Awesome Przemo
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Wonderful start. I like the engine, it's great but your woodgrain is superb.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Przemo,
You are well ahead of me on this one and that, for me , is a good thing as I follow shamelessly behind you and pick up some great ideas. Superb work so far and I can only hope to produce results half as good as what you have presented here! I just looked over that spectacular Benz IV and realised I'd missed the serial number decal on mine, thanks for that! Don't be nervous as I peer over your shoulder as you progress! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Prez:
Per usual your wood grain and work is outstanding in all regards. Taking the time to make this a Polish Aircraft will certainly pay dividends and offer a unique but familiar model. I wonder if there are any Kosicusko (sp) squadron markings for it? It would make a nice one to the collection. I am following along as you progress.
Great Stuff
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I might have to do mine all over again to pick up on these brilliant adds. Yeah nah (as we say down here in NZ).
Cheers
Alistair
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Great work correcting all the little bits that WNW missed, congratulations! - But please keep in mind that the control cables to the tail feathers run UNDER the parallelogram shaped pieces present at both sides of the fuselage.
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Thank you, everyone. Your fair words are greatly appreciated.
Don't be nervous as I peer over your shoulder as you progress! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Do not worry, I will not be nervous. But please, do not give me nudges... :)
I wonder if there are any Kosicusko (sp) squadron markings for it? It would make a nice one to the collection.
This a/c did not wear the famous Kościuszko badge, it was long off duty before Americans came and invented the badge. The decals I will use (checkboards and serial with Polish 23.) are custom made. They can be oredered, especailly now when the design is ready, it is just a question of printing. BTW, there is an Ardpol 1/72 LVG C.VI kit with these markings but unfortunately the shape of the serial letters and digits is wrong.
Great work correcting all the little bits that WNW missed, congratulations! - But please keep in mind that the control cables to the tail feathers run UNDER the parallelogram shaped pieces present at both sides of the fuselage.
Thanks for the heads up, Beto. I have noticed it and the long cables are already trimmed - I have already assembled the cockpit cellule with the side trusses - photos will follow soon.
I might have to do mine all over again to pick up on these brilliant adds. Yeah nah (as we say down here in NZ).
Your LVG is greatly finished but you can always do another one - maybe some time in the future.
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I am calling the cockpit done. Fuselage closing started!
(https://image.ibb.co/fLD0Ne/lvgc6_62.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/gGc5oK/lvgc6_63.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/iYypFz/lvgc6_64.jpg)
(http://[img]https://image.ibb.co/ndDZhe/lvgc6_65.jpg)
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Exemplary!
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Wow! Spectacular work and that wood finish effect is world class! I wish I had your talent PrzemoL .
Many thanks for sharing these excellent images with us.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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That's as good as it gets Prze, super clean spectacular work! I'm in awe of your skills, this is inspiring to say the very least, particularly since I'm working on the same subject with slightly less stellar results!
Cheers,
Lance
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Ooh I love a neat cockpit!
The fabric belts look cracking Prze.
Guy
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I really like that, PrzemoL.
The different wood grain also looks very nice.
I think you should take the control cables further back.
The missing cables behind the last bulkhead can still be seen from the outside.
Servus
Bertl
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Thank you, everyone.
I think you should take the control cables further back.
The missing cables behind the last bulkhead can still be seen from the outside.
Servus
Bertl
You are absolutely right, Bertl. However, now it is too late and it will be one of my deliberate omissions. I have to confess, that cockpit made me tired. And I also skipped a part of oil installation on the starboard side of pilot cockpit in front of the compass... :-[
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The fuselage is closed, the joints filled with liquid CA glue, sanded, polished and as usual some spots require corrections. The second application of the glue is currently setting
(https://image.ibb.co/h8Y5Q9/lvgc6_71.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/gJhAsp/lvgc6_72.jpg)
Thus I started with another doubtful piece - the radiator under the central section. The shutters at the kit part are quite crude and erronously laid over the entire width, when they should span only two central out of four bays of the radiator. I have bougth the HGW PE set to replace it. I have shaven a lot of plastic and installed the first PE part. Unfortunately, HGW also have the shuters too long (over the entire width) so they will need to be trimmed and the holding rails moved inside.
Additionally, WNW erronously led one of the water pipes, the one which comes from the water pump at the engine rear, to enter the bank on the starboard side of the radiator, while both water pipes should enter the radiator on the port side bank. On the starboard side only a thinner oil (?) pipe enters the radiator. Also the banks on the raditor sides when the said pipes enter are too wide. So, they had to be trimmed, too. I have also blinded the openings for the pipes and will drill new ones. And the wrongly led water pipe will have to be lengthened, reshaped and equipped with a thermometer... Still, some work to do...
(https://image.ibb.co/kJfKk9/lvgc6_73.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dA7X59/lvgc6_74.jpg)
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PrzemoL
Your research skills are as impressive as your building skills. That is a lot of attention to detail for something hiding under the center section. I completely applaud your efforts even if I am unlikely to ever duplicate them.
sp
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Thanks sm.
The radiator with shutters is done.
(https://image.ibb.co/dyNtXp/lvgc6_76.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/eGJp59/lvgc6_77.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kLVfCp/lvgc6_75.jpg)
The control rod with its mount will be attached after painting.
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Schweet! That is some nice brass work. Ten brass shutters cut squarely and to a pretty fine tolerance in length. You make it look like they were etched that way from the get go. Mighty impressive. I await the arrival of the LVG C.VI kit I ordered a few days ago. Even if I don't start it for some time it will be handy to have to look at when I read your and Lance's posts about building this kit.
sp
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Wow PrzemoL, that radiator is a masterpiece all on its own (not to mention the rest of the build). I am amazed by such fine work (maybe I shouldn't knowing your skills). Keep up the excellent work.
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Wow!! Great corrections and refinements!!
Steve
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First colour and first decals on.
(https://image.ibb.co/mGaef9/lvgc6_78.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kZvef9/lvgc6_79.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mzgkL9/lvgc6_80.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/fuibSp/lvgc6_81.jpg)
And here is the substantially thinned cowling which will be laid off the model not to cover the engine too much.
(https://image.ibb.co/cVBVnp/lvgc6_82.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/jDyAnp/lvgc6_83.jpg)
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Great progress, especially on the radiator. Your speed in building always impresses me.
Andreas
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Great work Przemo. Radiator stole my heart! :o
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Wow.
Radiator seems to be perfect now!!
regards
K
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Everything would be ready for the final assembly if it was not for the missing decals with serial numbers for the fuselage. They are stuck at the printers'. Well, a couple of days for waiting and I will head for the final sprint.
(https://image.ibb.co/kWQge9/lvgc6_84.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/guPJRp/lvgc6_85.jpg)
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Well Prze, spectacular update, the detail work is fantastic. You've really given me something to aspire to now, I hope to even just come close! I hope those serials arrive soon, I'm really looking forward to seeing her all together!
Cheers,
Lance
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Your usual magnificent work, Przemo! I love this scheme. Looks like I'm going to have to increase the size of my Polish Air Force. I better ask Kajetan to whip up a set of those in 1/48 scale.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice, the colours suit it very well! Are those spoked wheels by Scale Spokes or are they from someone else?
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Very nice, PrzemoL
I like your work on the LVG - I see you're pretty close to completing the kit.
................. unlike me.
Servus
Bertl
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Incredible! Wow!
I wonder if one day you'd share a tutorial about how you wire the spark plugs and magnento's? Your outcomes in these fiddly details are so very good!
Cheers,
Alistair
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Wonderful, beautifully detailed work, Przemo! The way you approach and fix the finest details is superb, and a lesson to us all! The Przemo tutorial on engine wiring is long overdue! I do like your choice of colours and subtle weathering - inspirational! Regards,
Marc
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Fantastic work, Przemo!
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Fantasic work. Your skills are very impressive.
Bye,
Manni
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Simply AMAZING work as always! Everything is beautiful from details to painting, weathering, and decaling!
RAGIII
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Simply AMAZING work as always! Everything is beautiful from details to painting, weathering, and decaling!
RAGIII
SO TRUE !!!!
Ed
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Thank you!
And finally I have got the decals. And started applying them!
(https://image.ibb.co/fVjLEU/lvgc6_98.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cPhJ19/lvgc6_99.jpg)
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Looks great Przemo!
Gaz
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Outstanding! Vibrant colors and perfect decal application.
RAGIII
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The last missing decals applied, the engine and the missing fuel and oil lines as well as various control linkages - done, tail feathers with control cables done, undercarriage almost done (kit full wheels applied temporarily). Central section and lower wings attached only to see how it will look like later.
And lots of dust to be removed, too :-)
(https://image.ibb.co/fgdJwL/lvgc6101.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cseQbL/lvgc6102.jpg)
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What can I say other than Perfect!
RAGIII
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Prze,
Just when I thought I was catching up! Nicely done, You are getting close to completion and it's looking better with every update. The scheme and those Polish markings really make her "shine"!
Cheers,
Lance
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What can I say other than Perfect!
RAGIII
What he said! Perfect!
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding to the nth degree. Beautiful all around.
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Simply great!
Andreas
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What a stunner, your attention to detail is amazing 8)
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Wow, I was missing this build since some time and the model has grown into an absolute beauty. All the above compliments are really deserved, congratulations.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Prz,
I do not have this kit in my stash, but your build makes me want to get one!
Ryan
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Like gbrivio I have only just caught up with this - and I can only echo what Rick has written... perfect! The propellor looks like real wood and the engine just need some fuel, oil and a spark to start it up....
Stephen.
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Some more progress on this final stretch. LVG has grown wings and is starting to sprout out its rigging :-)
(https://image.ibb.co/cKHngL/lvgc6110.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/koawaf/lvgc6111.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/crjpvf/lvgc6112.jpg)
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Awesome Przemo
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Wow! Just Wow! Those photographs are spectacular Przemo! Well done! Marc.
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As I stated before, Perfect! Gorgeous work.
RAGIII
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Thank you, my friends.
Here I declare this model as done. One photo here, the proper gallery in the corresponding section. Thank you for wartching.
(https://image.ibb.co/jotCmL/lvgc6-09.jpg)
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Stunning work as always from you. Your planes are the gold standard.
Cheers
Alistair
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Stunning work as always from you. Your planes are the gold standard.
Cheers
Alistair
My thoughts, exactly, Przemo!
Cheers,
Bud
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Thank you, Alistair and Bud.
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Congratulations, your LVG is beautiful and the build log is a great reference for building the same model kit in the proper way.
Thank you for sharing.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Truly museum quality!!
Steve
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Hi, Prezmo.
A beautiful build. Can you tell me where you purchased the decals from as I would like to attempt this scheme! Thanks. Rich
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PM sent.