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Title: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on March 28, 2018, 06:45:21 AM
When I saw Frank (bughunters) Nieuport 17 built my mouth started to water. I especially liked his use of real wood when making the struts and the tail skid.
Not even realizing what I did my hands took one of the Special Hobby boxings of the Nieuport 11 out of the stash and started to cut some parts from the sprues. Here you see what happened:
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwcw/6254dc25-c48a-4127-9fec-f97573.jpg)
The kit is awesome -- besides of the engine. The resin engine has absolutely nothing to do with an 80hp LeRhone. Some months ago I had purchased a resin kit of the 80hp LeRhone via ebay. I have forgotten the name of the manufacturer. It came in a simple plastig bag without any instructions or anything else. But after assembling the engine I wouldn't name the producer anyway even if I could remember him, as it's simply a resin copy of the WNW Le Rhone. I don't think I go too far when I doubt that its a legal copy...
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwlr/217e8492-567f-460a-856d-119b14.jpg)
Pirated or not, THAT's a 80hp Le Rhone and it fits perfectly under the cowling. It just needs some more detailing... and replacing the small parts that were broken in the bag.
I decided not to use the Special Hobby cowling because after studying my photo references it seems like it is more a Nieuport 16 cowling and the Nieuport 11s had one that covered more of the engine. I borrowed the two-part cowling from an A-Model Nieuport 16 (which seems to be the propper one for my Nieport 11) and will replace it with the SH cowling.
I also build a new seat from plastic sheet and added a putty cushion.
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwcr/d52b87d7-a236-4459-b33b-8c32a9.jpg)
And I started detailing the wheels
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwlw/5008dc4e-7dcc-4327-ae83-d211ab.jpg)
The fuselage sides were rigged and painted (paint removed at the front as it's a tight fit to close the fuselages):
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwli/943158eb-0182-4ecd-9c76-af91fe.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/daiccwla/cce9737d-d74a-4a85-8df0-9e54c6.jpg)
As it is not my first early Nieuport I had naively thought I knew enough about these machines. But already the cockpit inteior prooved me wrong. Special Hobby offers a clock-like device for the left fuselage side (unlainted resin). But the photos in the WDF Special volume one show a pulsometer on this place. But was this the case only for British Nieuports and the clock-like device from SH is right for French planes?

Besides of that I am still thinking about the color sheme. At the beginning I was thinking about N1222 flown by Raymond Lis at the Verdun front in April 1916 from Lemmes aerodrome:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos/015_Schneider_sacy_le_grand.jpg)
There are better pics that show the personal marking, but I sadly have no idea how this machine was painted. as its number is 1222 it cannot be CDL, this bird is too late for that, although its edges look like horizon blue tape which was used on CDL Nieuports. N1222 iis obviously painted in a solid color - creme like Chapmans N1148? Or aluminium like N1109?
What do you think?

There is another Nieuport from N65 that I really like:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/065_Nieuport_CrashGT.jpg)
It's personal marking seems to have been a cat waiting before a birdcage hanging from the moon. Cute!
https://forum.pages14-18.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=49758&start=0
But sadly I don't know it's number, because the rudder is not visible...
hm, well, enough time to tink and rethink the color question... :)

Best regars
Borsos

Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
Excellent start! Your usual beautiful work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on March 28, 2018, 04:50:53 PM
Hi Borsos
I will scheck...

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on March 28, 2018, 05:45:45 PM
First thing, that is what I have about the N°1222

n°1222  plane: N 11 squadron : N 15 when:  1916     pilot: Lt Raymond Lis   description:  personal decoration  "Lis"  and french flag on  fuselage

So it seems to be your plane....
in the fuselage L letter can be seen...
I will ask about more info for that plane....


About nieuport paint, in 1916 you have this excellent work of Marc Chassard. I think he sell it for 25 euro (with transport) with the color chart, with real fabric doped.

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/11/07//16110709562818634314616074.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/11/07//16110709562818634314616073.jpg)

if you are interested, i can give you his mail...

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: jeroen_R90S on March 28, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Nice work so far! I have the SH Nieuport 16, so I'm following along and picking up tips and stuff! :)
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on March 28, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Thank you very much, guys!

Xan, yes, I have these publications and am really happy with them. Since I've seen Shepards painting of N1136 from N26 I am rethinking the two-three or four camouflage colors- question ;)
Lis' 1222 is quite well documented. I found three photos online that show both sides of the fuselage and there's a fourth pic in Chassards "Air war of two aces", p. 96, that shows even the wheel coves, that were painted another color than the fuselage. The question I could not solve yet is, what special unique color the plane was painted. The visible horizon blue tapes at the edges of fuselage and wings speaks for clear doped linen, but 1222 is too late for that and neither the fuselage nor the wings look translucent. It's not brown-green camouflaged, so it could have been white dope like Viktor Chapmans Nieuport no 1148, a zinc oxide based dope from the Nauton frères & de Marsac company. But that's not very plausible, as the fuselage color contrasts with the white of the tricolore which for me also excludes white and aluminium dope like on Nugessers N1139. Aluminium dope is also not possible because it was introduced in June, tested in May 1916 and not in April. There's the hypothesis of a red-brown dope also, but this color is only seen on Nugessers N1130, and it could be simply his individual red paint, no experimental dope. At last there's the 800 series of Nieuports, produced in March 1916, during the green/brown camouflage period. The 800 series of Nieuports seem to have been painted or doped in blue horizon like Guynemers N836 or N889. This very last plane, N889 has a fuselage cockarde, converted into a question mark and seems to be the same plane which is also on the aforementioned picture of N1222 in Chassards book. The colors of N889 (if I am right and it is the same plane) and N1222 look quite similar so I would tend to this "vernis gras", a blue-grey like André Dunoyer de Segonzac has painted his Nieuports on another painting. This would be my explanation, but, well, N1222 is not within the 800 series.... Maybe Lis' machine had a replacement rudder and the original serial number had been within the 800 range? That's my working hypothesis at the moment...
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on March 29, 2018, 06:29:50 AM
I have these publications and am really happy with them.
Why am I not surprised?  :)

Since I've seen Shepards painting of N1136 from N26 I am rethinking the two-three or four camouflage colors- question ;)
more important is for me the factory pic with working man painting the wing with two paint airbrush...

it could have been white dope like Viktor Chapmans Nieuport no 1148, a zinc oxide based dope from the Nauton frères & de Marsac company. But that's not very plausible, as the fuselage color contrasts with the white of the tricolore
i would do ot white , or better said cream (doing a difference with cocarde's white)
Just as Tarascon plane (n°1139, not that far)

(https://scontent.fbio1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29695505_393240864478120_4259595116457733674_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeG002oec8lwfFzHFj_hj0uSUrxIIwEnrbE84CPGTAWw7rLCCmxPTSNd3T3zBZWW906_gtj09_6BgfcwtXXUo_QivplGMcUDFA4p_vf5a0EZJg&oh=70d40dd49d2e070da6b82eb8691406c9&oe=5B3EE034)

There's the hypothesis of a red-brown dope also, but this color is only seen on Nugessers N1130, and it could be simply his individual red paint, no experimental dope.
In that point I desagree with Marc.
Navarre (and not Nungesser ;-) ) says in his memory he choose the red color to be recognize:
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/04/16//16041610062818634314148884.jpg)

I represented the n°1130 like that:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/08/08//16080805390018634314417676.jpg)


Xan

Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on March 29, 2018, 06:56:10 AM
Navarre, of course... :D

The serials are a good argument for the creme color. But neither Tarascons nor Chapmans Nieuport have visible dark tapes along the edges. Lis' plane has them. For me that speaks more for a translucent dope like the mentioned blue grey - painted over a linnen colored Nieuport with blue horizon taping...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6c/39/ed/6c39ed1c097fa6a03c9ea62d6e1fb740.jpg)

Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on March 29, 2018, 08:44:52 AM
neither Tarascons nor Chapmans Nieuport have visible dark tapes along the edges. Lis' plane has them.
I am not sure at all it had them.
I don't think dark marks in the fuselage are dark tapes as early ni-11 had. Look at the rear part of the fuselage; between the pilot and the blue color of french flag , I  do not see any tape do you?
Furthermore, blue dopen planes are as far as i know in the 800 serial...

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: ondra on March 29, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
Nice work so far, Andreas, I will be following with great interest!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on March 29, 2018, 07:49:39 PM
Thank you ondra!

Xan, here are the other two photos of N1222 I found online:
(https://picload.org/image/daiplcol/image.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/daiplcoi/image.jpg)
I think there are tapes: Very well visible on the trailing edges of the lower wing, but also on the fuselage. I interprete the aera between pilot and elevators on the very first pic of N1222, that you pointed to, as painted blue, the tricolore already starts there.

Well, to sum up: the serials speak for a creme color overall. As blue-grey planes were in the 800 series. But the existence of blue-grey taping on the edges, I thought, would have spoken for a translucent blue-grey over all. Neither Tarascons nor Chapmans creme Bieuports have visible tapes. BUT:
Gunemeyers N836 -- which was painted blue-grey overall according to common sense -- doesn't show dark taping neither: (http://www.vadelaincourt.info/images/guynemer_vcharle.jpg)

I decided to paint Lis' Nieuport N1222, if I decide to do his colors, pink overall. Who can proove me wrong?  ::)
Borsos

Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: lcarroll on March 29, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
    This is a really enjoyable and informed discussion that I've enjoyed and learned a lot from. As for your "pink" solution Andreas, I agree completely, "who can prove you wrong" as is so true in most of these cases! At least there's no PC.10 in the "mix"! ;)  ;D
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Bughunter on April 05, 2018, 06:21:06 AM
When I saw Frank (bughunters) Nieuport 17 built my mouth started to water.
What a praise of my work [red face smiley] Thanks for looking.

Not even realizing what I did my hands took one of the Special Hobby boxings of the Nieuport 11 out of the stash
Let your well trained hands continue to work in such fantastic way, your model will blow away my Nieuport easily!

Have fun,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Juan on April 05, 2018, 07:12:52 AM
Outstanding start Andreas, another beauty in progress.  Looking forward to your updates.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GAJouette on April 05, 2018, 09:52:52 AM
 Andreas,
Absolutely beautiful progress my old friend. I have the same kit in the stash so I'll be following with the greatest of interest . Keep the highest standards of excellence.
 .
 Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on April 05, 2018, 11:17:56 PM
Thank you very much Lance, Frank, Juan and Gregory. Your comments are highly appreciated! Frank, there's luckily no competition, as I won't ever reach your level of microsoldering e. g.!

Meanwhile I made some sear belts out of Tamiya tape and some thin thread. It still needs some detail painting and some highlighting of course
(https://picload.org/image/dapioiii/91ec5251-1446-4822-972c-42b6da.jpg)
On the left fuselage side I scratchbuilt a magneto switch and an oil pulsator. Additionally I tried to improve the fuel gauge by adding some clear plastic.
(https://picload.org/image/dapioiia/be630b1d-3dc7-4603-8f35-211ae8.jpg)
On the right -- OR starboard-- side I added a tachometer. I ised some evergreen plastic, some brass rod, a HGW bezel and an airscale decal for that.
(https://picload.org/image/dapioiil/00032cbe-e6ab-403a-9327-79ff54.jpg)
So far from my side. I am still thinking about how to add the internal rigging that connects left and right side of the fuselage. Here building up an independet interior structure that is sandwiched between the fuselage halves would have been a better way...
Best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on April 06, 2018, 12:32:49 AM
The bracing wires look awesome! I am sure you will solve the issue of the bracing wires connecting the two fuselage halves !
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on April 06, 2018, 12:38:46 AM
you surely don't need that pic but i find it quite representative and clear...

(http://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/04/05/180405044122958030.jpg)

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: dr 1 ace on April 06, 2018, 08:37:11 AM
Progressing nicely !

Ed
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 06, 2018, 09:18:10 AM
Very nice work so far!!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Manni on April 06, 2018, 07:06:56 PM
Great work! I love the details you do.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on April 11, 2018, 03:53:25 AM
Thank you Xan, Ed, Steve and Manni!

After some more painting and shading, some touch ups and some more internal rigging I closed the fuselage halves.
To create the wire cross behind the back of the seat I attached a wire to each side of the upper frame and drilled a 0.3mm hole through the fuselage halves at the bottom. Here I inserted the wires, closed the fuselage, streched the wires and clued them by dropping in CA glue.
(https://picload.org/image/dawolgaa/8cbf4b8c-24e9-464b-8d27-734ba9.jpg) (https://picload.org/image/dawolgdw/ni1.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/dawolgar/nieuport.jpg)
So far with the cockpit. Only the headrest with the cushion for the pilot's head is missing...
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GAJouette on April 11, 2018, 06:01:43 AM
 Andreas,
This thread just keeps getting better and better my old friend. Your interior came out outstanding. A high standards and beautiful work are a real highlight.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Bughunter on April 11, 2018, 06:46:46 AM
Oh Andreas, I see a detail, what I missed in my build - the cross wire behind the seat!
I should wait with my builds until you have build the subject - always something to learn from.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on April 11, 2018, 08:22:37 AM
Excellent solution to the cross bracing! One to note for some future date when I build my Nieuport 16.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on April 11, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
perfect interior!
congratulations
Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: ondra on April 12, 2018, 02:26:37 AM
You definitely possess some exceptional talents when it comes to work with lights and shades, Andreas, brilliant work!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on April 12, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
Very nice interior work!

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: gbrivio on April 12, 2018, 09:17:28 PM
Excellent progress, and a great reference log for future builds.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 13, 2018, 01:39:39 AM
Great solution!!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: lone modeller on April 13, 2018, 03:14:10 AM
Just found this Andreas: I mistook the photo that Xan posted for your model...well what is the difference? Brilliant detailing as usual.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: mgunns on April 13, 2018, 06:36:36 AM
Outstanding work on the interior and the cross bracing behind the seat is a nice solution to a problem.  it certainly adds some interest and should generate a lot of: "How'd you do that?"  The kit requires some work but will pay off nicely when finished.  Looking forward to your update.  As to color, it's your model and you get to choose what looks best to you based on your research.  No one can prove you wrong.  Go for it.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: krow113 on April 14, 2018, 01:44:35 AM
Interior looks good down in there!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on April 19, 2018, 07:59:34 AM
Thank you very much Gregory, Frank, Rick, Xan, Ondra, Gaz Giuseppe, Steve, Stephen, Mark and Steve! Your comments are highly appreciated.

When I closed the fuselage I thought about the pilot's head. Only the forward part of the cockpit opening is padded, the rearward part is not. Special Hobby doesn't add anything for the head of the pilot above the seat (nor does the classic 1/48 Eduard kit). I checked all my references, but could not find a picture of the cockpit showing the rear part. Hmmm, the Nieuport 16 and 17 had a headrest, could there really have been just a wooden edge in the Nieuport 11? it would have been a trap for the pilot, working even as a kind of a neck-breaker! I found the answer in the right upper corner of this pic: There was a head protection in the Nieuport 11 as well, it was covered with wood and equipped with what looks like the small edge of a little cushion for the head. That had to be modelled...
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sCiT19_gxZM/Vv6HQ0rTDLI/AAAAAAAABlE/hqzQfK7UHJoPqU1HbnV7AKSVxz9xPVFRw/s1600/n11pit.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dogowpaw/nihea.jpg)

Another item that is ignored or molded wrongly respectively by both aforementioned kit producers is, that the starboard acces pannel at the front of the fuselage was only in very few cases the same like on the port side. the starboard pannel was larger and photos show many variants. I went with what for me seems to be the most common starboard acces pannel. It was made with thin plastic card
(https://picload.org/image/dogowpai/niac.jpg)

Besides of that I reworked the tail aerea with lead foil and brass rod:
(https://picload.org/image/dogowpdw/niapr.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/dogowpar/nirud.jpg)
The control horns are PE parts that should be glued bluntly onto the rudder and elevator surfaces, which is nonsense in my opinion as they would undoubtedly break when rigging would add just a little tension. So I cut the upper and lower control horn in one piece out of the leftovers of the PE sheet and cut a little gap into the rudder and elevators where I glued the one-piece control horns in.
(https://picload.org/image/dogowpaa/nitail.jpg) (https://picload.org/image/dogowpal/nitail.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GAJouette on April 19, 2018, 11:20:41 AM
 Andreas,
Excellent up date my old friend. Your upgrades and corrections will add much to the finished project. Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on April 19, 2018, 11:26:35 AM
Outstanding added details Andreas! Really looking fantastic.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on April 19, 2018, 04:10:05 PM
Good work!
Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on April 19, 2018, 05:18:59 PM
Fantastic!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on May 04, 2018, 06:15:31 AM
Thank you very much Gregory, Xan, Rick and GazzaS!

Uh, I haven't been here for some days and missed so many posts, so many great progresses here. Trying to keep up...

Not too much new from my side. I went on with the fuselage. The air intakes on the sides are redone with brassrod and some minor details are done. Interplane struts are glued in place and are detailed with some plasticcard. And I replaced the plastic tail skid with one made of real wood (Frank's influence again...). Now I am working on the struts.
(https://picload.org/image/dodowlgl/image.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/dodowlgi/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dodowlgw/image.jpg)

One last thing: After test fitting the a-model's cowling I realized that it's too deep and has the wrong shape on its underside. It doesn't form the elegant curve that is so typical for the early Nieuports. I can't understand why I didn't realize that earlier. It's nothing that cannot be corrected, but I went back to the Special Hobby cowling that hasn't the mentioned flaws.
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: lcarroll on May 04, 2018, 08:35:52 AM
    Some very nice "touches" on this one Andreas, I'm following closely as I have one waiting in the Stash and some Lafayette decals for it. That tail skid is pure art!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on May 04, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
I agree with Lance completely. I also have one in the stash with Lafayette decals!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on May 04, 2018, 06:27:06 PM
Nice progress, Borsos.  I like the real-wood look of your tailskid.

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on May 04, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Very pleasant work!
Will I have to admit 1/32 allows very interesting detail works?

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Bughunter on May 05, 2018, 05:04:27 AM
And I replaced the plastic tail skid with one made of real wood (Frank's influence again...).
So it's nice to see someone takes advantage from my build reports ;)
Really pitty, that I have no time at the moment ... Such great build turns me on!

Cheers,
Frank

Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on May 08, 2018, 03:24:36 AM
Very nice progress!!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Manni on May 08, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
Again an absolute stunner from your hands.
The tail skid is the cherry on top.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on May 11, 2018, 06:13:47 AM
Thank you very much Lance, Rick, Gaz, Xan, Frank, Steve and Manni!

Test fitting all the parts... I think it starts looking like a Nieuport 11. What do you think: Should I remove the tapes later? :)
(https://picload.org/image/doalccri/image.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/doalccrw/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/doalccdr/image.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/doalccda/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/doalccdl/image.jpg)

Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on May 11, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
Yes!  Love the Early Nieuports.  They make me think of dragonflies/

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on May 11, 2018, 06:39:12 PM
Nice work on the struts Andreas! Looking terrific but I think removing the tape might be in order  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Iancshippee on May 13, 2018, 10:29:39 AM
Your rigging seems to be a little thick, might be considered out of scale...

Truly though, this is becoming a beautiful little Nieuport.keep up the excellent work!

Ian
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: rhwinter on May 13, 2018, 04:23:45 PM
Your rigging seems to be a little thick, might be considered out of scale...

Truly though, this is becoming a beautiful little Nieuport.keep up the excellent work!

Ian

Naah, c'm on..
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on May 21, 2018, 08:23:29 AM
Thanks Gaz, Rick, Ian and Richard! When I followed your advise and removed the tape, everything fell apart again ....

Well, I finished the woodwork now
(https://picload.org/image/doowwwil/image.jpg)
Here's my Levasseur 450 in 1:32 sanded and sealed with Humbrol clear next to two original 1:1 Levasseur props:
(https://picload.org/image/doowwwia/image.jpg)
(http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/14/14/01/64/leva4510.jpg)
Given the angle both originals are photographed, I think I can live with my representation. The kit's propeller has no real similarity to an actual Levasseur besides of the "cut" ends. Now it needs a proper drying overnight and some polishing and then -- I hate to say it -- I have to airbrush this prop in a dark brown solid color as French propellers were painted in a dark red-brown laquer, visible  on the lower of both original props (the upper has been "restored" and it's original paintwork stripped off). I will try to airbrush this color as thin as possible to keep an idea of the wood stains visible.
Then there is still another problem: I need  some "helice Levasseur" decals. I will try to print them onto clear decal paper, but isn't anybody out there to bring us high quality prop labels for French aircraft? Pleeeeeease!

Best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on May 21, 2018, 08:25:48 AM
Beautiful work on the prop Andreas. A shame to cover it up but that is modeling  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on May 21, 2018, 06:43:00 PM
Struts and prop look great!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: ondra on June 09, 2018, 11:22:01 PM
The prop looks spot on, Andreas, well done!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on June 12, 2018, 09:07:37 PM
Thank you Rick, Gaz and Ondra!

I am in the paint shop now. How sad that I don't have too much time left to work in the basement where my Airbrushes are. But anywah, some progress on the airplane's undersides which were CDL: Mr. Color's randome, then lightened up by overspraying with off-white. After covering the rib tapes followed an overspraying with Mr. Color's Shadow, mixed with some drops of white. After all some toning down with ramdom+clear+off-white.
(https://picload.org/image/doiploll/image.jpg) (I have no idea where the stains on the lower right wing come from on this photo...)
Next step is spraying the camo before adding the Linnen decals on the lower sides.
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: gbrivio on June 12, 2018, 10:15:07 PM
She's becoming very nice, woodwork is outstanding.
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on June 12, 2018, 11:11:43 PM
Lovely paint work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Juan on June 12, 2018, 11:39:45 PM
Andreas, looking your spectacular best (as always).  Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on June 12, 2018, 11:55:04 PM
Shaping up very nicely!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on June 13, 2018, 05:19:04 AM
Great paint work!  It's really bringing out the textures of a canvas covered machine.

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on June 16, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
Thank you vey much for your motivating comments Giuseppe, Rick, Steve and Gaz!

Tonight I finished the camouflage colors. Regarding the discussion on two, three or four colored early Nieuports this time I decided to go with the only real trustworthy source, the autochrome of Nieuport 11 No. 940. I was once convinced of the four-colors theory but read some very interesting French papers in the meantime that doubt this. O.K., Nieuport No. 871 in the colors of No. 940:
(https://picload.org/image/dopaddor/image.jpg)
I used Vallejo and Scale75 colors - contrary to my usual habits - for spraying the camouflage. And the more I love these Acrylics for brush painting, the more I hate them for spraying. Obviously I am not able to handle them properly as many others have no problems with airbrushing these Acrylics. I'll go back to my Gunze/Tamiya colors for the next time...
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on June 16, 2018, 10:20:35 AM
Borsos,
    I think the colors look great.  I have to admit that I'm not really knowledgeable on French aircraft of the period.  I'm looking forward to seeing more.

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: aliluke on June 16, 2018, 07:58:32 PM
Not sure how I missed this wonderful build - will keep up from now on. The camouflage looks amazing to my eye - and who can say what is right or wrong off limited B&W records? I have only very fleeting knowledge of this wee aircraft but your rendition looks very fine to me.


Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on June 16, 2018, 09:27:22 PM
Great choice of colors and to my eye the Camo looks outstanding!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on June 22, 2018, 12:30:30 AM
The colours and application are perfect!!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on June 23, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Good jon Andreas!
green and brown colors of the camouflage are Ok in my eyes.
Ok for the front part of the 940, it is an interpretation that seems Ok to me; point is that I think this light brown area painted in the front part of the fuselage was a particularity of the 940, but it Ok

(https://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/05/15//16051511333818634314227483.jpg)

but 940 autochrome doesn't show at all a central part of the upper wing in this color, so i don't agree with you in that point , but it is also an interpretation and it is your entire right  ;)
all in all a good job!

Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on June 29, 2018, 07:34:47 AM
Thank you very much Gaz, Alistair, Rick, Steve and Xan!

Xan, yes, I know there's no evidence for the light brown spot on the upper wing. But there is no evidence neither that it was not there  ;)

Painting is slow this time. I had to redo the "N 3" marking, which meant sanding the fuselage sides down, repainting the camouflage and cutting this time the number and the letter out of white decal paper.
(https://picload.org/image/dlgrrpiw/image.jpg)
Meanwhile I sprayed the horizon blue tape around the edges of the flying surfaces and prepaired the masks for the cocades.
best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: xan on June 29, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
Cool! you rework the flag white wth smoke or something like that?
Xan
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on June 29, 2018, 01:03:23 PM
N3 came out great, Xan!

Gaz
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Gisbod on June 29, 2018, 04:21:43 PM
Lovely colours Borsos!

It’s going to be lovely.

Guy
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Manni on June 29, 2018, 06:40:23 PM
Great, Andreas!
No matter wich kit you put your hands on turns out as a beauty.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on June 29, 2018, 06:50:03 PM
Looks Outstanding Andreas! The N3 and red white and blue bands are exceptional!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: ondra on June 29, 2018, 06:58:50 PM
Veeery nice work, Andreas, I really like the subtle effects you have achieved.

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on July 05, 2018, 05:50:14 AM
Thank you vey much, Xan, Gaz, Guy, Manni, Rick and Ondra!

Xan, yes, I am used to Gunze's "Smoke" to create shadows and depth on my models.

Meanwhile I got some parts finished and glued together. It just needs some touch ups here and there:
(https://picload.org/image/dlgprala/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgprall/image.jpg)
I cut out the kit's windscreen and glued it into the PE frame Pt. No. 3 and then onto the bigger frame Pt. No. 1 that I had attached to the fuselage before painting. This came out quite as I had hoped and went on problem free. The cowling is only dry fitted for the photos.
(https://picload.org/image/dlgprali/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgpralw/image.jpg)
best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: gbrivio on July 05, 2018, 07:07:35 AM
Beautiful colours and a nice touch having a photocolor as reference.
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: pepperman42 on July 05, 2018, 07:14:37 AM
Very nice!!

Steve
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: lcarroll on July 05, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Borsos,
    Truly spectacular paint job, I really like what you've achieved with this scheme. A very simple little Kit being turned into a very impressive model, my compliments on some very talented modelling!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on July 06, 2018, 12:26:33 AM
That is absolutely gorgeous painting. Looks great on the gear!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Manni on July 06, 2018, 02:58:27 PM
Really great paint job. Always a pleasure to see your updates.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on July 06, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
Love it, Borsos!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on July 07, 2018, 01:23:58 AM
Thank you very much, Giuseppe, Steve, Lance, Rick, Manni and Gaz! Your comments are highly appreciated.

Finally she's an airplane:
(https://picload.org/image/dlgwdlil/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgwdlii/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgwdliw/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgwdlpa/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlgwdlpr/image.jpg)

Best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Juan on July 07, 2018, 01:58:02 AM
What a beauty, love your workmanship on this little gem.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on July 07, 2018, 04:27:44 AM
Even more gorgeous as a biplane  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Bughunter on July 07, 2018, 05:19:32 AM
Wow, a really nice Nieuport! All your effort pays back.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on July 07, 2018, 08:46:49 AM
Tres Bien!  Beautiful as she takes on her full shape
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: rhwinter on July 07, 2018, 05:45:36 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Manni on July 09, 2018, 03:53:03 PM
Wow, Andreas, I must say, always when You do a kit I want to start the same. Looks really great.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Jeff K on July 13, 2018, 12:36:45 AM
to my eye, most stunning thing about that bus is how you've managed to give a sense of the materials.


what are you doing to make that happen? the metal looks very different to the doped linen. maybe it's just carefully controlled level of gloss.

on the other hand, maybe you've sold your soul and it's magic.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: lone modeller on July 13, 2018, 04:41:27 AM
My apologies Andreas, but I have been off form (and forums) of late and have just caught up. I truly admire the skills that you display in your models - everything about them is just right. As Jeff has commented, the way in which you have represented thre metal of the cowling and the fabric of the rest is truly remarkable. Your alter ego is not Dr Faustus by any chance? Probably "just" your training and lots of experience.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: ModelCellar on July 21, 2018, 08:55:08 AM
Borso,

I really like the color/camo scheme.  Everything looks amazing.  Beautiful build.

Paul
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: huberlu on July 22, 2018, 03:45:25 AM
Borso,

I really like the color/camo scheme.  Everything looks amazing.  Beautiful build.

Paul

Me too!!!
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on July 25, 2018, 06:23:41 AM
Thank you vey much for your encouraging comments Juan, Rick, Frank, Gaz, Richard, Manni, Jeff, Stephen, Paul and Huberlu!

I am almost done with this one:
(https://picload.org/image/dlagiaai/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlagiaar/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlagiaaa/image.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/dlagiaal/image.jpg)
The prop boss was made with a pe part from Copper State Models and some resin nuts from Plus Models. The prop labels are printed onto clear decal paper with my laser printer. Of course no white is printed and the yellow is hardly visible. Well, better then nothing.
The Lewis is from Gaspatch with a scratch build mounting.
I am preparing the base and the figures...
(https://picload.org/image/dlagiaaw/image.jpg)
Here as usual some plastic figures from Mini Art (WW2 French tank crew - at least the nationality fits...) heavily modified with Magic Sculpt and Hornet Resin Heads.

Next pics will be posted in the "Completed" section.

Best regards
Borsos
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Bughunter on July 25, 2018, 07:27:31 AM
T_O_T_A_L_L_Y nice Nieport! Nothing else to say.
Hope to see it next year in FFB!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: aliluke on July 25, 2018, 07:33:27 AM
Wonderful work. Everything looks amazing especially the colour scheme which is beautifully rendered.

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Jeff K on July 25, 2018, 05:36:29 PM
very pretty work.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Dave W on July 25, 2018, 06:24:29 PM
Wow! Spectacular work Borsos. That is outstanding !

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Juan on July 25, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
Masterclass Andreas, those figures are looking good also.
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: RAGIII on July 25, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
You have pulled this project together with your usual skilled results. Painting, decaling and rigging look Beautiful. The figures are really looking terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: Borsos on July 27, 2018, 02:05:43 AM
Frank, Alistair, Jeff, Dave, Juan and Rick thank you very much for your comments!

The bird is finished, here's the link to the 'completed' section of this wonderful forum: https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9719.0

Best regards
Andreas (Borsos)
Title: Re: Nieuport 11 1:32 (Special Hobby)
Post by: GazzaS on July 27, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
What a beauty!  Love the fine, clean details and the rich paintwork!  Very pleasing, Andreas.

Well done!

Gaz