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Title: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Lorenzo on March 22, 2018, 11:47:28 PM
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29496294_2076245812664167_8592382235421044113_n.jpg?oh=e9df8b0670f9487b951d9f61411feb7c&oe=5B292C6A)

(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28827093_2076245819330833_5463391666515154987_o.jpg?oh=a7803608bca3381d42352fd17681ecb1&oe=5B754324)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rhwinter on March 23, 2018, 12:11:24 AM
Gooooood news!!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on March 23, 2018, 12:27:46 AM
    I'm impressed! That looks really good, CS can count on me supporting this little adventure with my wallet!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on March 23, 2018, 01:41:17 AM
Whoa....had to blink a couple times and even stopped breathing there for a few seconds...this is just plain glorious....Edgar, thank you, thank you, thank you!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on March 23, 2018, 01:55:30 AM
 Oh that's lovely . Can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Juan on March 23, 2018, 02:54:13 AM
Just a tad more detail than the HC kit (with sarcastic face).  :o  Will be getting CC ready to order 1+.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: fredjocko on March 23, 2018, 02:55:35 AM
After getting their amazing Lanchester armored car, I will be getting more of their amazing kits. Some of the most amazing spoked wheels in plastic I have seen.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rhwinter on March 23, 2018, 03:51:25 AM
After getting their amazing Lanchester armored car, I will be getting more of their amazing kits. Some of the most amazing spoked wheels in plastic I have seen.

My, that sounds amazingly amazing!!😁
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Wodehouse on March 23, 2018, 08:59:29 AM
when when when when when when etc
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on March 23, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
Not wishing to be a glass half empty type, but I think we have to exercise some patience. I mean does the Nieuport come out after or before the teaser 1/48 HP 400?


Ray
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: krow113 on March 23, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
...somebody said 0/400...?
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on March 23, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
...somebody said 0/400...?


This one that was and is a future release maybe lol... hopefully not resin


http://www.hyperscale.com/2017/reviews/kits/copperstatehandleypageo400previewbg_1.htm (http://www.hyperscale.com/2017/reviews/kits/copperstatehandleypageo400previewbg_1.htm)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Dave W on March 23, 2018, 12:04:25 PM
The HP O/400 is resin. It says so in the HyperScale article.

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on March 23, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
Since they are now issuing plastic, I’m dreaming that the delay was to redo in plastic.... lol I know I’m in denial
Ray
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on March 23, 2018, 05:28:02 PM
these pics simply look awesome. It seems to be a perfect N17!
Borsos
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on March 23, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
Like I said when  we first heard the news, I am in for 2 at least. The CAD design looks awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on March 23, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
I'll be in for a minimum of 6. I'm not exaggerating.

Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: OEFFAG 153 on March 24, 2018, 04:36:03 AM
Yup – two – one french and one italian.

 I'll keep the Italieri decal sheet from the Nie 17 re-pop of the old Academy kit – the rest of the content of that box will be firmly binned together with some resin extras I now no longer need.  :D

/Mikael
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RLWP on March 24, 2018, 05:01:16 AM
Yup – two – one french and one italian.

 I'll keep the Italieri decal sheet from the Nie 17 re-pop of the old Academy kit – the rest of the content of that box will be firmly binned together with some resin extras I now no longer need.  :D

/Mikael

I have a bin you can put it in!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: dr 1 ace on March 24, 2018, 06:55:28 AM
Yes, count me in for 1 too !

Ed
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on March 24, 2018, 02:39:19 PM
I'll sell my Italeri/Hobbycrafts off cheaply (*after* I raid the decals), rather than binning them because a) the shape's nice, they'll just be a lot of work, and b) I hate waste.

I'd bin a kit if the shape was wrong (Tamiya 1/72 Spitfire I'm looking at YOU).
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 24, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
I'm in for 2.

...and it's nice to see another World class player in the 1/32 game. Long may that continue  ;)

vB
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on March 24, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
Ok, if we‘re counting orders, I need at least 3: one French, one British and one for a Nieuport 21 conversion.
Borsos
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Bughunter on March 25, 2018, 06:28:18 AM
Really pitty ???
I can really understand, that all of you big scalers are excited about that nice looking kit ....
but that means, that the next manufacturer moves "to the dark side of scale" :o
I hope that CSM still produces such nice 1/48 kits like the previous Dolphin, Caudron, and others and do not move to 1/32 completely.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on March 25, 2018, 06:56:43 AM
Really pitty ???
I can really understand, that all of you big scalers are excited about that nice looking kit ....
but that means, that the next manufacturer moves "to the dark side of scale" :o
I hope that CSM still produces such nice 1/48 kits like the previous Dolphin, Caudron, and others and do not move to 1/32 completely.

Cheers,
Frank

Edgar has already stated in another thread that he will not abandon 1/48th but will do other scales also.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Alexis on March 26, 2018, 01:07:01 AM
Cool , will be picking one of these up




Terri
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: timpivonka on March 26, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
Put me down for 2.  One French and one in RFC colors.

Tim Pivonka
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: fredjocko on March 27, 2018, 12:13:43 AM
After getting their amazing Lanchester armored car, I will be getting more of their amazing kits. Some of the most amazing spoked wheels in plastic I have seen.

My, that sounds amazingly amazing!!😁

I maybe could have used the thesaurus a little more on that post; but at least I didn't say OMG!!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: mike in calif on March 27, 2018, 12:49:31 AM
I can see getting one. But- please- something other than Niueports, and Spads in 1/32!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: xan on March 27, 2018, 09:27:08 PM
Two news renders:

(http://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/03/27/180327012848259122.jpg)

(http://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/03/27/180327013014123601.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on March 27, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
oh this is going to be good.

hopefully it'll be a hit, and they'll do more 1/32.

(of course i don't want them to stop 1/48 i know a lot of y'all are into it, but i wouldn't touch 1/48 with a barge pole... for me if it's not 1/32 it's 1/72)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rhwinter on March 27, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
Two versions, as far as I can see. As I know close to nothing about the Nieuport 17, I am very much looking forward to more information about the announced kit! What did CSM say, when it‘ll hit the shop-shelves?
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: xan on March 27, 2018, 11:17:31 PM
Between n°1177 (first ni-17) and n°1600 there are a lot of evolutions. that's what we could call early.
n°1600 until n°3000 the version is stabilized , that is what we can call late.

principal differences are :
- two tons camouflage or silver dope
- lewis MG /Vickers MG
- central window transparent or not
- renforced wongs or not
-diferent haches
- diferent cowling
- cone in the prop or  not

(http://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/03/27/180327032358938898.jpg)

Xan
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on March 27, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
oh this is going to be good.

hopefully it'll be a hit, and they'll do more 1/32.

(of course i don't want them to stop 1/48 i know a lot of y'all are into it, but i wouldn't touch 1/48 with a barge pole... for me if it's not 1/32 it's 1/72)

      As with all business ventures further subjects will no doubt be very much driven by how successfully it sells. I think this is a very brave step on the part of CS and sincerely hope it is a "hit". Following their recent outstanding 1:48 Scale releases there's been nothing but very complimentary reviews and this one looks to be of the same high quality. I intend to support the Copper State move by buying their product, another well chosen subject like this will hopefully follow once and if the market speaks favorably!
     I have no affiliation with the company but I believe some competition in the 1:32 Scale arena will prove of benefit to all concerned.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
oh this is going to be good.

hopefully it'll be a hit, and they'll do more 1/32.

(of course i don't want them to stop 1/48 i know a lot of y'all are into it, but i wouldn't touch 1/48 with a barge pole... for me if it's not 1/32 it's 1/72)

      As with all business ventures further subjects will no doubt be very much driven by how successfully it sells. I think this is a very brave step on the part of CS and sincerely hope it is a "hit". Following their recent outstanding 1:48 Scale releases there's been nothing but very complimentary reviews and this one looks to be of the same high quality. I intend to support the Copper State move by buying their product, another well chosen subject like this will hopefully follow once and if the market speaks favorably!
     I have no affiliation with the company but I believe some competition in the 1:32 Scale arena will prove of benefit to all concerned.
Cheers,
Lance

I have already stated my intention to buy but want to say I agree with your statement. A bold Move Indeed going into a scale DOMINATED by one Company! On the other hand I think it is also a SMART Move given that WNW has almost Ignored the French Aircraft of the First War. Many of us want to see some first rate, High quality kits of aircraft like the Nieuport 17/23 as well as SPADS, Bregeuts , Hanriots etc. Well done Copper State Models! Bring them on and then some!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: mike in calif on March 28, 2018, 12:08:33 AM
Very well summed up, Lance. Exactly why I'll buy one.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on March 28, 2018, 12:42:40 AM
and as much as i'm probably not the only one fancying a Bristol Scout, leading with a *very* popular subject increases the odds of that second kit being released without requiring a Sir Peter to give the green light.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Rob_Owens on March 28, 2018, 03:17:37 AM
YESSSS!!!!  Been awaiting this one for years!!!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Gilly on March 28, 2018, 04:10:46 AM
one for me too folks  :D
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RLWP on March 28, 2018, 05:57:28 AM
My only regret is that Des didn't get to see this.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Juan on March 28, 2018, 06:57:33 AM
My only regret is that Des didn't get to see this.

I am sure he is looking down and smiling   :) :)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RLWP on March 28, 2018, 06:58:47 AM
Probably leaning over the side of a BE2  :)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on March 28, 2018, 10:09:00 AM
At the risk of being a negative nanny on this, has there been any information on timeline for the Nieuport?  Just so I can start saving  for the 2 or 3 I’ll want...


I knew there was a good reason I bought the Cross and Cockade e book reference for Nieuport’s..
Ray

Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
At the risk of being a negative nanny on this, has there been any information on timeline for the Nieuport?  Just so I can start saving  for the 2 or 3 I’ll want...


I knew there was a good reason I bought the Cross and Cockade e book reference for Nieuport’s..
Ray

Saw on FB that it was 2019. I don't think Edgar mentioned the Month.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on March 29, 2018, 05:50:35 AM
Another year give or take?!? Groan....hopes dashed for it being just a few months out.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on March 29, 2018, 06:50:35 AM
Hey Guys)
Nieuports will be out within 2018)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on March 29, 2018, 08:22:39 AM
Great news Edgar, and Thank You for letting us know! :) :)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on March 29, 2018, 08:31:00 AM
Hey Guys)
Nieuports will be out within 2018)

Thanks for the correction to my post Edgar. Glad I had the year wrong  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: ermeio on March 30, 2018, 06:03:55 AM
]I just can't wait for this new Nie 17

Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: xan on March 30, 2018, 07:03:07 AM
New pictures?

(https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9428.0;attach=7918;image)

both early ni-17 with Moreau MG mount for Lewis, and N65 MG mount for Lewis....
One had simple central rib in the wing and other double ribs in the wing center.

Xan
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on March 30, 2018, 08:44:33 AM
 That's enough to make me start drooling at the thought of a new tool Nieuport 17 all over again!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Juan on March 30, 2018, 09:34:54 AM
Wow, simply beautiful.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on March 30, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
Darn, that is just cruel.   How many sleeps until it’s released.  Seriously that is probably going to sell like hot cakes.
Ray
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on March 30, 2018, 04:42:12 PM
Did I say I'd need 3? I'll have at leat four.
Drooling Borsos
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 30, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
Be still my beating heart  <3

Happy days!

vB
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: OEFFAG 153 on April 01, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
I'm loving this more with every update!  :D
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Ringleheim on May 20, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
This is a very interesting development.

This kit has WNW-like detail on a subject WNW won't touch for whatever reason.

If CSM delivers on the promise of these renderings with a good fitting kit, and wisely chooses their future 1/32 subject matter (going with all the fan favorites that WNW won't touch) they can do very well for themselves indeed.

A direct competitor to WNW doing WWI kits of similar quality in 1/32 scale can only be good for the modeler.

Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: macsporran on May 21, 2018, 02:30:35 AM
These look beautiful, Edgar, and I'm sure I'll have several (depending on price of course,) but will they be strictly limited run?
A lot of your figures are oop and I don't know if you will rerelease them. Of course 1/32 aircraft will be a new venture for you and difficult to predict stocking levels, but I'd hope you would keep putting out new batches as they sell out. (A cursory look at the sales life of the Hobbycraft -  Academy - Italeri Nie17 shows sales over many decades, so the demand should be there, if they are reasonably priced.)
I could see myself coming back again and again for such a colourful subject.
Sandy
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 21, 2018, 05:45:32 AM
Hi Guys,
2Sandy we are planning to have the price lower then most are paying for a hi-end kits in this scale.
All of our figures are there on the web site, so you can always order them, sometimes we run low on stock or totally SO, but we are trying to re-stock them all asap)
Right now we are working on all those markings that will be available with the kit and as stand alone sets


It may be interesting for you guys, to know that we will include also an ALKAN sync Lewis Nieuports

(https://scontent.fbio1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/31277569_1772595506132949_6657348352755105792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a82df730546d526b9c86336bedabc592&oe=5B52C2FB)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/90/12/81/untitl11.jpg)
It will go with Early version of Nie17
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rhwinter on May 21, 2018, 06:02:29 AM
Edgar, all this looks VERY promising! I am really looking forward to your Nieuport 17s (and all that might follow...)!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RLWP on May 21, 2018, 06:18:46 AM
It may be interesting for you guys, to know that we will include also an ALKAN sync Lewis Nieuports

Yes, that's excellent attention to detail. I regularly model the appropriate trigger mechanism on my models

Richard
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: macsporran on May 21, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
Excellent news, Edgar thank you.
Can't wait.
S
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Eric Armstrong on May 21, 2018, 07:45:51 AM
Dayum!  If these computer images are any indication of what this kit will look like, I believe I can safely say that WNW can scoot over some because there is another high-end contender in 1/32 scale aviation modelling to keep them company at the top!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on May 21, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
With a Halberstadt Cl. II and a Nieuport 17 comming this year I think I'll have to finish my ongoing projects, clean up my workbench and buy lots of new blades and drilling bits... Very good days are coming... :)
Edgar, would you tell us a little more regarding the marking options ?  ;)
Andreas
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: kornbeef on May 21, 2018, 08:10:20 AM
I can't wait.  looks exquisite already


Keith
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on May 21, 2018, 09:58:12 AM
And obviously varying versions! So very exciting. Talk about anticipation. Hope you can beat the Wingnut christmas release, Edgar...oh, how I hope.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rayb24 on May 21, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Oh wow, I can think of three aircraft I’d want to build just off the top of my head.
This is just too tantalizing


Ray
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: bobs_buckles on May 21, 2018, 10:29:12 PM
Excellent rendering.
I know these Noops will be special. I feel it in the Force  8) ;)

vB
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on May 21, 2018, 11:11:59 PM
I am very excited about this release to say the least and it seems to be getting better with each tidbit passed on! I May even have to put the Storks back in my lineup which I dropped when I realized I really didn't want to build Hobbycraft Nieuports for the Lafayette Escadrille and the Storks. Now about the SPAD VII, XII, and XIII  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Eric Armstrong on May 22, 2018, 12:25:15 AM
I have a question for Edgar if he is watching this thread: Do you have any insight or information suggesting that the Nieuport 17 (or any other kits that Copper State Models is considering for 1/32 scale) is not being planned for kitting by WNW and are future subjects in 1/32 scale being planned by CSM with this in mind?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on May 22, 2018, 12:57:58 AM
I have a question for Edgar if he is watching this thread: Do you have any insight or information suggesting that the Nieuport 17 (or any other kits that Copper State Models is considering for 1/32 scale) is not being planned for kitting by WNW and are future subjects in 1/32 scale being planned by CSM with this in mind?  Thanks in advance.

An interesting question that I am almost sure will be answered with a No  ::) That being said I don't think WNW can or will do a better job on the molds. So it all comes down to support even if WNW does release one. JMHO,
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: petrov27 on May 22, 2018, 01:20:02 AM
It does continue to look fantastic - hoping for lots of markings options or that aftermarket companies provide additional decals too....

In a perfect world it would be ideal if CSM and WNW would be able to have a level of communication that would at least reduce the chance of both companies working on the same subject matter as I doubt either would benefit if they were to release the same subject (step on each others toes so to speak) - not sure if that sort of thing is workable though (and doubtful we would hear about it if so)

Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: macsporran on May 22, 2018, 01:44:15 AM
Well you can't fault Edgar: he is giving us (and WNW) advance warning of the impending CSM Nie 17. It would be most helpful if Wingnuts laid out their plans for the next two years and others could then choose to complement them with other subjects.
(If you remember back to the first couple of years they did exactly that with b&w pictures of the future Snipe, Triplane etc. I suppose they were trying to build a following back then of course).
S
Wouldn't want to duplicate two or three 1/32 Staakens now would we?
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: dr 1 ace on May 22, 2018, 04:58:04 AM
Well you can't fault Edgar: he is giving us (and WNW) advance warning of the impending CSM Nie 17. It would be most helpful if Wingnuts laid out their plans for the next two years and others could then choose to complement them with other subjects....




There are still 17 "empty " numbers in the WnW line so even if They did tell Edgar what they plan, I am sure he would not break silence on the matter.

If you "eliminate" kits already produced by others in 1/32 ( ie:Dr I, SS D-III, Fok D VIII/E5 etc., etc... ) there are still plenty of just single seaters still to be done- see the latest Annual WNW Speculation thread.


Ed
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 22, 2018, 05:36:31 AM
I have a question for Edgar if he is watching this thread: Do you have any insight or information suggesting that the Nieuport 17 (or any other kits that Copper State Models is considering for 1/32 scale) is not being planned for kitting by WNW and are future subjects in 1/32 scale being planned by CSM with this in mind?  Thanks in advance.
We do not have any information about other manufacturer`s plans for their  next projects or current ones in development, but one things for sure - we will not do Halby Cl.II ))

With a Halberstadt Cl. II and a Nieuport 17 comming this year I think I'll have to finish my ongoing projects, clean up my workbench and buy lots of new blades and drilling bits... Very good days are coming... :)
Edgar, would you tell us a little more regarding the marking options ?  ;)
Andreas
Andreas, we are planning (for now) to make  several boxes, for Early and Late versions of Nie17, there will be several versions inside each, as for: Moreau Lewis mount and N65 mounts. For late you will also have an Alkan sync Lewis (a second Lewis used instead of Vickers) and Cone de penetration (also for early)
Should I mention that for early you will need to work on the transparent central part of the wing, which will be close for Late version

We are planning to make several dozens of Nieuport markings, but to keep the price lower for you, we will do them without roundels, as you will have them in you original kit, so why to spend more)? it should allow us to make more markings and still keep the size of the sheet small. So you do not need to buy a sheen of 10 markings, when you just need one)


Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on May 22, 2018, 07:21:17 AM
Edgar, that sounds fantastic. And as I own all of your 1/48 and 1/35 kits, I know what exquisite quality we can expect from CSM. I am convinced that getting into 1:32 is a good idea and that you won't forget all those 48ers neither. Wouldn't up- or downsizing of existing kits be a good idea for the time between entirely new releases? I had thought about a 1:32 Caudron G. IV and a 1:32 F.K. 8...  :)
Andreas
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on May 22, 2018, 07:44:42 AM
Ok, Edgar, I'm also going to take advantage of your very refreshing openness and accessibility and bluntly ask about what you say of several versions... do these many versions include any RFC markings? Or at least some roundels? I'll buy you a steak dinner if you are. And Des once said bribes were allowed...depending on the bribe.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Eric Armstrong on May 22, 2018, 07:49:30 AM
I have a question for Edgar if he is watching this thread: Do you have any insight or information suggesting that the Nieuport 17 (or any other kits that Copper State Models is considering for 1/32 scale) is not being planned for kitting by WNW and are future subjects in 1/32 scale being planned by CSM with this in mind?  Thanks in advance.

An interesting question that I am almost sure will be answered with a No  ::) That being said I don't think WNW can or will do a better job on the molds. So it all comes down to support even if WNW does release one. JMHO,
RAGIII

My question was not intended to show some sort of blind preference to WNW.  On the contrary, I would like to see CSM launch out and take advantage of the rather gaping lineup of kits WNW seems to show no interest in kitting.  WNW seems to be avoiding anything French, Italian and Austro-Hungarian and WNW seems to be wanting to avoid treading in Roden's space, going so far as to make decals for the Roden Dr.1.  Why not show the same courtesy to CSM, a manufacturer of excellent WWI aircraft kits.  Judging from what I can see of the 148 subjects  they have done, the 1/32 crowd has a lot to look forward to seeing.  Those CAD images portend something fantastic with this Nieuport.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 22, 2018, 07:24:51 PM
Ok, Edgar, I'm also going to ask about what you say of several versions... do these many versions include any RFC markings?
Or at least some roundels? I'll buy you a steak dinner if you are. And Des once said bribes were allowed...depending on the bribe.

Hey Doug
RFC markings will not be inclueded for now, as for British version you will need not only decals, but also new plastic parts, so it`s not that simple
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Rob_Owens on May 23, 2018, 01:26:13 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what "new plastic parts" would be required for an RFC machine?
Regards, Rob
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 23, 2018, 02:13:40 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what "new plastic parts" would be required for an RFC machine?
Regards, Rob

At least RFC Lewis mount for NIeuport)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on May 23, 2018, 01:52:51 PM
Edgar,

Please consider including markings for Maurice Boyau's ship, the one with the snake on the side, in one of your boxings. Significant ace, spiffy markings, what's not to love?

https://asoublies1418.fr/images/Personnel/B-Personnel/Boyau/boyau.jpg

Also, a ship of Lufbery's, as I've got your Luf figure and he's waiting to have a ship assigned to him. Spectacular figure, btw, will be getting the Cobby figure soon...

BTW i'm in for at least six of these puppies, possibly more. but 2 will be British (Fullard and Bishop).  Probably all the info needed to convert to the Tommy Atkins version is in the Cross and Cockade ebook (if it's as good as the FE2b/d book then it's all there). If you're not planning on a British boxing I'll do hte conversion, but possibly you could consider offering parts as an aftermarket set?

Popular subject, your posts suggest your execution is every bit on par with WNW's kits. Therefore I expect it'll be a hit. Please consider SPADs next, and/or scaling up some of your 1/48 offerings.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Captain Slower on May 23, 2018, 02:16:10 PM
I suspect that either CSM or the aftermarket could make the Ni 23 option and Belgian and Russian markings.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Captain Slower on May 23, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
We are planning to make several dozens of Nieuport markings, but to keep the price lower for you, we will do them without roundels, as you will have them in you original kit, so why to spend more)? it should allow us to make more markings and still keep the size of the sheet small. So you do not need to buy a sheen of 10 markings, when you just need one)
[/quote]

For some yet-to-be built Hobby Craft Ni17's and Ni 11's (same diameter), I had Miracle Mask make 1/32 roundels, French proportions on the wings (4 large, 2 small) and RFC for the fuselage.  I suspect that Mel has held onto the files.  This was to allow me to avoid some iffy decals and do a Belgian Ni23.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 23, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
If you're not planning on a British boxing I'll do hte conversion, but possibly you could consider offering parts as an aftermarket set?

Popular subject, your posts suggest your execution is every bit on par with WNW's kits. Therefore I expect it'll be a hit. Please consider SPADs next, and/or scaling up some of your 1/48 offerings.
Yes, we are planning to make RFC version of Nie17 as a stand-alone kit
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Gene K on May 23, 2018, 09:27:02 PM
We are planning to make several dozens of Nieuport markings... .

Great plan that I'm looking forward to seeing coming to fruition  ... but I am sorry to say that I don't know who "we" is.  :-[

Could you provide a link, please?

Thanks,

Gene K
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Iancshippee on May 23, 2018, 10:08:49 PM
http://www.copperstatemodels.com/
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 23, 2018, 10:09:04 PM
www.copperstatemodels.com

https://www.facebook.com/copperstatemodels
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Rob_Owens on May 24, 2018, 12:10:36 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what "new plastic parts" would be required for an RFC machine?
Regards, Rob

At least RFC Lewis mount for NIeuport)

If that's the case, the mount could be scratch-built, and the gun from WnW's RFC Armament sprue, which has several renditions of the Lewis gun
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on May 24, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
If you're not planning on a British boxing I'll do hte conversion, but possibly you could consider offering parts as an aftermarket set?

Popular subject, your posts suggest your execution is every bit on par with WNW's kits. Therefore I expect it'll be a hit. Please consider SPADs next, and/or scaling up some of your 1/48 offerings.
Yes, we are planning to make RFC version of Nie17 as a stand-alone kit


Excellent News Edgar. We now have even more Nieuports to look forward to.With the different side panels on the Early and Late French version that most of us never noticed I am sure your RFC version will prove to be just as great! I think I said this already but I am really looking forward to building your Nieuports  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Gene K on May 24, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
http://www.copperstatemodels.com/

Thanks ... of course I can find cooperstatemodels  ;)

... so are you implying Captain Slower is part of or working with Cooper State Models when he says "we"? Sorry for the apparently dumb questions as I am not in the know.

Gene K
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 24, 2018, 03:37:34 AM
http://www.copperstatemodels.com/

Thanks ... of course I can find cooperstatemodels  ;)

... so are you implying Captain Slower is part of or working with Cooper State Models when he says "we"? Sorry for the apparently dumb questions as I am not in the know.

Gene K
There is only me, representing CSM on this Forum ;)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on May 24, 2018, 07:05:06 AM
http://www.copperstatemodels.com/

Thanks ... of course I can find cooperstatemodels  ;)

... so are you implying Captain Slower is part of or working with Cooper State Models when he says "we"? Sorry for the apparently dumb questions as I am not in the know.

Gene K
              Gene, at first glance I was also a bit confused by Capt. Slower's post...first read, as a scan, I missed that he had bracketed a [/quote] of Edgar's post a couple pages prior...no dumbness applies.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on May 24, 2018, 10:06:08 AM
If you're not planning on a British boxing I'll do hte conversion, but possibly you could consider offering parts as an aftermarket set?

Popular subject, your posts suggest your execution is every bit on par with WNW's kits. Therefore I expect it'll be a hit. Please consider SPADs next, and/or scaling up some of your 1/48 offerings.
Yes, we are planning to make RFC version of Nie17 as a stand-alone kit

well then. looks like i may need more than six...
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Gene K on May 24, 2018, 09:28:38 PM
Quote
There is only me, representing CSM on this Forum ;)

And I appreciate the great "job" you're doing! A very exciting story developing.

Thanks,

Gene K
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Olieslagers on May 25, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Maybe CSM can stay with French, Italian, Austro-Hungarian planes while WNW stick with mostly German and British planes?https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on May 25, 2018, 01:38:49 AM
We will not stick to any specific nation, but to those that may interest us  ;)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: timpivonka on May 25, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
Edgar:  You make 'em, we'll buy them!  Whatever interests you!

Tim Pivonka
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on May 25, 2018, 06:11:03 AM
A high-end CSM-quality Nieuport 17, that is something that still makes me smile. I can’t wait to get it in my hands. I know it will be fantastic !  :)
Andreas
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Doug Mace on May 25, 2018, 06:12:19 AM
Hi, Edgar, nice to see you.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on May 25, 2018, 06:14:27 AM
Edgar:  You make 'em, we'll buy them!  Whatever interests you!

Tim Pivonka

Agreed!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on May 25, 2018, 06:56:23 AM
We will not stick to any specific nation, but to those that may interest us  ;)

you've already got an engine and a pilot... you're at least 1/3 the way to an OEFFAG Albatros D.III...

just sayin' :p
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: dr 1 ace on May 25, 2018, 07:29:21 AM
We will not stick to any specific nation, but to those that may interest us  ;)

you've already got an engine and a pilot... you're at least 1/3 the way to an OEFFAG Albatros D.III...

just sayin' :p


Rather than a whole kit, a conversion for the Roden D-III (OAW) Kit no. 608 would do...

Ed
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on May 25, 2018, 08:30:57 AM
We will not stick to any specific nation, but to those that may interest us  ;)

you've already got an engine and a pilot... you're at least 1/3 the way to an OEFFAG Albatros D.III...

just sayin' :p


Rather than a whole kit, a conversion for the Roden D-III (OAW) Kit no. 608 would do...

Ed


what he said.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Captain Slower on May 26, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
Sorry I messed up on the quotes. 

I simply wanted to mention the Miracle Masks as an option for roundels/cockades. http://www.freewebs.com/miraclemasks/

Mel ran a number of sets for me.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on May 30, 2018, 07:07:43 AM
Sorry I messed up on the quotes. 

I simply wanted to mention the Miracle Masks as an option for roundels/cockades. http://www.freewebs.com/miraclemasks/

Mel ran a number of sets for me.

Just looked at the site and I have several things I think I will look into in the way of special masks.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on June 10, 2018, 04:23:06 AM
Today I would like to show you all the parts for each version of the kit, meaning Early and Late production versions

(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/280090333f6a6275d2c5528830603f0b00cd2395c5487a7b14db553208e59e6744391d60.jpg)

(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/92403576d9e9d19495add9c6a392c42d2ce2a008843afc8f1ac251872e9a795b7f886fe9.jpg)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: guitarlute101 on June 10, 2018, 04:27:50 AM
Looks excellent Edgar!!

Mark
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: rhwinter on June 10, 2018, 04:46:30 AM
You are making me happy, Edgar!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: guitarlute101 on June 10, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
Are you going to have Premium Editions with resin?

Mark
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on June 10, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
I`m not sure we will do it in a premium box, but who knows)?
For sure it will be a Standard kit from the start
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Juan on June 10, 2018, 05:48:58 AM
Wow Edgar, I am calling you Santa Claus (you made Christmas come early, at least I hope so).  Looking fantastic with the two versions.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Borsos on June 10, 2018, 05:50:21 AM
It looks fantastic, Edgar. Can you give us a month when we‘ll have them in our hands?
Andreas
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: petrov27 on June 10, 2018, 05:51:40 AM
Looking very nice indeed - extremely so!

 Very interested to see what decal schemes are coming with each kit...
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: guitarlute101 on June 10, 2018, 05:58:56 AM
I`m not sure we will do it in a premium box, but who knows)?
For sure it will be a Standard kit from the start

Excellent! I will be having both of them! Thank you so much Edgar!

Mark
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on June 10, 2018, 06:00:39 AM
When?)
This Fall)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: guitarlute101 on June 10, 2018, 06:22:36 AM
I especially like the fact that you have the option of having the inspection panels removed to show interior detail. Great work!

Mark
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on June 10, 2018, 06:41:15 AM
From what I know it will be also possible (with a help of a fine saw) to build a stripped fuselage, I want to make one from the test kits, so we can all have a better look at it)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on June 10, 2018, 08:02:03 AM
WOW!!!!! They both look Brilliant and the detail couldn't get any better! I will have to prepare my wife for the purchases I am going to make... she will not be pleased but OH WELL! I think I will back burner anything I am working on when these are released!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Eric Armstrong on June 10, 2018, 09:33:07 AM
I especially like the fact that you have the option of having the inspection panels removed to show interior detail. Great work!

Mark
+1.  Even the mighty Wingnuts have stopped short of such a feature when they could have done so on similar kits in their line (all of their Sopwith kits).  This is really shaping up very nice indeed.  Looking forward to this model.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on June 10, 2018, 10:28:37 AM
Edgar, I think this is the first Nieuport 17 kit in any scale to accurately render the differences between the early and late wings.  I don't think I've ever been so excited about a pending kit release.  Thank you!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: AROTH on June 10, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: miecio52 on June 10, 2018, 03:33:35 PM
It looks great :)
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jorgo on June 10, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
Absolutely stunning! Brilliant work, Edgar. Chapeau!

Highest regards
Jörg
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: gbrivio on June 10, 2018, 07:10:54 PM
I'm making a small stash of 1/32nd kits and this will be a next purchase as soon as it will be released. Simply beautiful!
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RLWP on June 10, 2018, 07:47:10 PM
Will you be offering the engine sprue separately? Scratchbuilders like me buy engines

Richard
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Gene K on June 10, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
...  this is the first Nieuport 17 kit in any scale to accurately render the differences between the early and late wings.
[/quote

Bud, what are the other differences between the early and late models, like panels and spinner?

Gene K
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Jeff K on June 11, 2018, 05:14:17 PM
spectacular.
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on June 11, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
I am not Bud but will tackle the wing question. Other than the center panel being covered in a clear material it looks as though there are no "False" ribs used  on the wing. I hope I got it right but I am sure someone will correct me if not.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Edgar on June 11, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
From what we know
Early Nieuports had early wings, not reinforced, without mini ribs, that were attached to a leading edge of the both wings
also, early Nieuport`s had a square shape maintenance hatch on the fuselage starboard side
Should I also mention, that there was no oil tank on the firewall, that we all got used to, as it was installed in the cockpit, next to a fuel tank, and had an odd shape, due to fuselage rigging.
Most of the early types had a transparent wing cut out, covered by cellulose
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: pepperman42 on June 11, 2018, 11:24:09 PM
This looks top notch!!

Steve
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: dr 1 ace on June 13, 2018, 05:55:47 AM
Looking forward to this Fall when it will be available   !!!

Ed
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on June 13, 2018, 07:03:24 AM
Looking forward to this Fall when it will be available   !!!

Ed
Same here, Amigo!  I'll clear the bench of whatever I'm on to dig into this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on June 13, 2018, 07:19:51 AM
Looking forward to this Fall when it will be available   !!!

Ed
Same here, Amigo!  I'll clear the bench of whatever I'm on to dig into this one.
Cheers,
Bud

I think I already said this but I agree with both of My Amigos! I will clear the Bench to start one!...Maybe two  :-\
RAGIII
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: RUREDI on June 17, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
Waiting, watching and ready to buy.  Thanks for your efforts!
Title: Re: Copper state model Nieuport 17 1/32
Post by: Ryan on June 20, 2018, 12:21:06 AM
I`m not sure we will do it in a premium box, but who knows)?
For sure it will be a Standard kit from the start

From the sprue shots it already looks like a premium kit!

Wonderful looking molds.

Ryan