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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: andonio64 on August 11, 2017, 05:46:18 PM
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Hallo friends,
here I am with a new project (a big one seen the dimensions of the plane!).
I have no French plane in my showcase and I decided to build a bomber.
Here is the well known box
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-001.jpg)
And here we go with all the box details:
Instructions:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-003.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-004.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-013.jpg)
Very basic, not so easy to understand, but there is a very clear rigging scheme.
Decals:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-002.jpg)
There are 3 different possibilities:
1. The first is the one provided by the kit: the no.3 plane (B2) of the Escadrille 117 (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille117.htm) (s/n 1333).
This plane is documented by the photo which is on the box top and is also shown in the extremely useful webpages by Denis Albin.
This is a typically 5 colours camouflaged plane.
The problem with these decals is that the "LEVER ICI" stencils are black and should go on dark areas (back part of the fuselage)
2. I also have the Blue Rider sheet with the decals of a plane (B2) belonging to Escadrille 504 (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille504.htm). The well known "Léon" (the name could be a tribute to Sgt Léon Diéval who died after his wounds in May 1916).
This plane served in Greece on the Serbian border.
Here we have another problem: the s/n on the decals is 1223 while Denis Albin writes it was 2883. Unless there were more than one "Léon" planes... who is right?
The colour scheme of this plane is plain CDL with darker areas I imagine over the metal parts of the fuselage (engine cowling).
3. I also found interesting the 96th Aero Squadron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/96th_Aero_Squadron) of the USAS, whose nice emblem was the Devil with a bomb in his hand in a triangle.
I have drawn the emblem in vectorial form:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/logo96.png)
CLICK here to download the SVF file (http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/logo96a.svg) (only for non commercial purposes)
Again this would be a camouflaged plane and, although I could print myself the devil's decals and the fuselage number, there is the problem to get some white "LEVER ICI" stencils which I am not able to print.
The photos that are found on the web and on other reference books show both A2 (without observer windows) and B2, in this Squadron.
At the moment I prefer version n.1, probably using wing cockades from the Blue Rider sheet.
I would reuse also the stencil on the rudder from the Blue Rider sheet (I prefer to paint the three bands on the rudder), I will need a surgical intervention to replace the s/n.
Any suggestion and advice at this stage is more than welcome!
Antonio
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Here are some more photos of what is in the box.
SPRUES:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-005.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-006.jpg)
Lot of flashes, plastic is soft, the detail is good.
PHOTOETCHED FRET:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-007.jpg)
Very nicely done, lot of pieces.
RESIN PIECES:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-008.jpg)
...average quality
WHITE METAL PIECES:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-009.jpg)
I think I will replace the Vickers and the twin Lewis with some Gaspatch items. The Scarf ring can be done adding some scratchworking to the PE and plastic pieces
OTHER STUFF:
One plasticard rectangle, one acetate square piece, a couple of strange pieces I don't know their use...
Antonio
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Here are some references I am already using:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-011.jpg)
- WINDSOCK DATAFILE Special
- An article by Harry Woodman (thanks to Jamo! (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=4432.0))
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-012.jpg)
The big book!
Antonio
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Antonio, seems like an another interesting build. I have the XIV in my stash as well - looks like a crude kit but with a 'little" effort can be turned into a great model, which you will surely do.
The XIV is a beautiful aircraft. I will keep an eye or two on that build ;)
PS. Do you have any pics of the cockpits apart from WS? If you do, are you willing to share?
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PS. Do you have any pics of the cockpits apart from WS? If you do, are you willing to share?
Sorry, I have only the photos from the sources you see above... I was not able to find other pictures than those in the books.
The work by Harry Woodman has interesting clues in it.
Go to Jamo page to download the pages.
Thanks again
Antonio
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Looking forward to your efforts on this kit Antonio. :D
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What a great project, Andonio! Can't wait to see what you do with this one. I've got both versions in my stash and will be following along with great interest.
Here are some photos that might help:
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/Bre14/index.html
http://www.wwi-models.org/app/sbj/srch/Macn.php?action=uArchList&subjId=63
Cheers,
Bud
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Great to see you on another project Andonio. I always enjoy your builds and I am certain that this one will not be an exception.
Stephen.
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Looking forward to seeing you make a start with your build, I'm sure it ill be up to your usual high standard.
Des.
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I am looking forward to seeing your build Antonio!
RAGIII
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Nice choice Antonio, and sure to be a winner with your treatment of it. I always enjoy your Builds and this will be no exception I'm sure!
Looking forward to seeing this large beauty unfold.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks everybody.
There is a first issue that I would like to solve before starting with the real plastic works:
Harry Woodman in the center top picture on page 473 notices the two long aluminum trapdoors on the plane belly.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/hw%20trapdoors.jpg)
In the bottom right picture of the same page (there is a zoom on jamo's post) we can see those doors open.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/hw%20trapdoors1.jpg)
There is a drawing better showing how those doors were shaped on page 475.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/hw%20trapdoors2.jpg)
What is not clear to me from the drawing is the meaning of the dark rectangles drawn on both sides of the trapdoors.
Were they openings? Maybe tey were grids allowing to look down when the trapdoors were closed?
There is a nice photo in the Windsock Datafile Special: pic 41 on page 24 showing an USAS B2 fallen on her nose. On the belly the doors are clearly visible, they appear to be larger than those in HW drawing and there seems to be 4 doors andon the external ones a sort of "box" appears as extruded from the fuselage surface.
Does anybody have more info about this?
Thanks for helping!
Antonio
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Hallo,
I further studied the Windsock Datafile and found photo no. 66 on page 49 where is clearly visible the opening of the trapdoors, but on their sides there is nothing visible.
The comment to the picture says: "This machine did not have internal bomb cases, so probably the dark rectangles Harry Woodman drew on his schema are the openings for the bomb cases.
So I decide to scribe on the plane belly just the trapdoors lines.
Antonio
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Hallo,
here is the trapdoor panels scribed on the plane belly.
I first cut the HW drawing to measure
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-014.jpg)
then made the lines
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-015.jpg)
I also traced the doors on the inner face of the floor, although they did not come out very well...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-016.jpg)
I decided to make some bombs to load beneath the wings.
I secured some 2.5 mm diameter plasticard rod to my drill and worked with files to get this shape:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-017.jpg)
I also used some 0.5 mm thin plasticard to work out the little wings on the tail of the shells
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-018.jpg)
Fixed the photoetched Michelin bomb racks to the lower wings
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-019.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-020.jpg)
here are the bombs dry fitted to the rack
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-021.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-022.jpg)
Then I scratch made this small generator to be glued to the starboard side of the fuselage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-023.jpg)
Now I will complete the 4 long bombs with their small wings and try to make 4 small bombs.
Any idea about the colour of the bombs?
Thanks for whatcing
Antonio
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Very promising start, that looks like a fascinating project. I also have this kit in my stash so I'll follow closely.
Borsos
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Thank you Borsos!
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Excellent work with the trap doors, bombs, and generator!
RAGIII
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This looks interesting. I always enjoy your builds Antonio so I'll take a seat at the back!
Nice work on those bombs too.
Ian
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Ian, Rick, thanks for your comments.
Yesterday I completed the 4 bombs. Now I'll try to make 4 short bombs...
I am still not able to get hints about their colour.
Antonio
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Hallo friends,
I am back from my summer holidays since Sept 5 but since then I found time to work a couple of hours at the modeling bench just during last weekend...
So I completed the scratch built bomb load to hang to the Michelin device:
here they are
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-024.jpg)
here they are temporarily fitted to the device
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-025.jpg)
In the meantime I studied the way to organize rigging between the wings and the fuselage, here is a sketch I made with the help of the instruction sheet:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/rigging1.jpg)
I also studied the tail rigging which was not that easy to understand, will post a sketch later.
I made an order to Misterkit for the 5 colors camo:
Chestnut Brown Misterkit MKFR05 Chestnut Brown
Beige Misterkit MKFR10 Beige
Dark Green Misterkit MKFR11 Dark Green
Light Green Misterkit MKFR12 Light Green
Ecru Misterkit MKFR03 Light Yellow (undersides)
So, although slowly, things are getting again on the move...
Ciao
Antonio
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Very nice progress and I'm very grateful for the rigging diagram. The bombs look nice. And I'm happy that you share your findings - it'll be extremely helpful. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you Filip,
From the 5 colours camo I forgot to list the Black.
Of course I didn't need to buy it from Mr.Kit :-)
The rigging diagram shows my preferred way of rigging, I put eyelets in the wings / fuelage and then I try to use a unique thread to simulate the many cables. The different colours in the rigging scheme indicate that that thread will be mabe by a unique line hooked at the beginning and at the end of the coloured path.
Of course this works better with elastic wire, and sometimes it is not applicable but in 80% of the cases it works.
Antonio
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Nice work on the bombs Antonio. Your rigging diagram is great. Maybe someday I can use it on a WNW kit ::)
RAGIII
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Somehow I missed this. That is an interesting type and I really like the bomb load and generator. Looking forward to seeing more.
Stephen.
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Nice work on the bombs Antonio. Your rigging diagram is great. Maybe someday I can use it on a WNW kit ::)
RAGIII
Echoing all of Rick's thoughts. ;)
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Thank you guys, here are the other sketches I made to complete the study:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/pianidicoda1.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/pianidicoda2.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/pianidicoda3.jpg)
The blue line indicates a rigid rod, not a wire.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/carrello.jpg)
Thanks for watching!
Antonio
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Hallo mates!
Some news from the Breguet XIV factory...
The Misterkit Paints have arrived,
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-026.jpg)
and the Gaspatch Vickers and Lewis also.
So I invented the two supports for the external Vickers:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-027.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-028.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-029.jpg)
The fuselage halves have no matching pin to facilitate the join so I placed a couple of plasticard tunes and copper pins.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-030.jpg)
I provisionally sticked the sides of the cockpit framework to locate the position, then I dry joined the 4 sides:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-031.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-032.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-033.jpg)
I inserted the white plasticard rod where the control column will go
And prepared the resin seat:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-034.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-035.jpg)
Also the wings have no matching pins to get glued to the fuselage, so I drilled two holes per fuselage half and inserted as a test 2 chunks of copper wire:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-036.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-044.jpg)
Then each wing has been drilled accordingly:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-037.jpg)
I did not see any photo of the interiors showing some walls inside the fuselage but I imagined a firewall behind the engine compartment and one small bulkhead behind the gunner just because the cockpit holes are large and looking inside would have shown too much the empty spaces ahead and behind.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-038.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-039.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-040.jpg)
In the starboard half I glued two small pieces of plastic to facilitate the glue grip:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-041.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-042.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-043.jpg)
That's all for today!
Thanks for watching
Antonio
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Really nice work on your interior prep! Also the MG mount looks great! Finally you have done an excellent job on the wing mounts.
RAGIII
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You are making great progress on this kit, Antonio, it shapes up really nice!
Borsos
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Thank you friends, it's really challenging, not easy at all (at least for my "average" capabilities), but I enjoy it for this reason!
Antonio
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Good work Antonio!
I really like your attitude towards this rough kit
regards
K
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Thank you K!
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Hallo friends,
here are some photos about the BrXIV:
The cockpit cage is closed, the pilotseat is just laid on the framework:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-045.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-046.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-047.jpg)
It took me several hours and diopters to understand how to make it fit inside the fuselage: using the pieces as they are supplied in the box the fuselage did not close.
At the end I gave up using two of the three transversal pieces and cut some crossbeams whose length was defined by hours of trial-and-errors.
The rearmost pglueing it against the rearmost wertical beams of the sides.
At the end the cage fits perfectly inside its hull:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-048.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-049.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-050.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-051.jpg)
The rigging cables on both the sides of the pilot seat were made using 0.3 mm plasticard and the turnbuckles are obtained by drilling 0.8 mm plasticard rod with a 0.4 mm drill bit.
Another step towards the completion of the very complex cockpit installation was to fix the horizontal beam on which the control colums are set.
This was the cage as I dry fitted it initially, the horizontal beam I'm talking about is the white plasticard rod.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-032.jpg)
Now I will not use the two pieces which were conceived to hold it any more, so I will just cut the two subpieces that have the loop in which I inserted the white rod and glue them tht heir place after carfully shotening them to a suitable length.
The two control columns are supplied as photoetched pieces and I don't like the so flat.
Here is my plan to scratch build them: I will keep only the handles part and try to make a sandwich with some plasticard to make the handles round.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-052.jpg)
I'll keep the horizontal beam (diam. 0,8 mm) and have made 4 sleeves drilling plasticard rod 1.3 mm diam.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-053.jpg)
with a 0.8 mm drill bit.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-054.jpg)
The beam will slide inside the sleeves and I'll try to drill the sleeves on their tops to host the control columns (diam 0.5 mm).
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-055.jpg)
Here you can see the two photoetched columns and the sleeves (I need 2 but I made 4 in case the carpet monster is still hungry) inserted on the horizontal beam
Thanks for your attention
AnDonio
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You have done an outstanding job adapting the framework to fit inside the fuselage! Your work on the columns is equally nice!
RAGIII
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Excellent start and progress on a challenging kit!
Caio
Giuseppe
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Thanks Rick and Giuseppe,
Here I share some thoughts I made on the colours of the plane I am building.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/colours1.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/colours2.jpg)
key to colours:
1. Chestnut Brown Misterkit MKFR05 Chestnut Brown
2. Beige Misterkit MKFR10 Beige
3. Dark Green Misterkit MKFR11 Dark Green
4. Light Green Misterkit MKFR12 Light Green
5. Black
The box suggests the front part of the fin (where the no. 3 is placed) to be white, and the back part of the fin itself to be green, but on the Davilla / Soltan book there is a different interpretation: the back part is painted Chestnut Brown (1) and the front part is painted with Beige (2).
Moreover the number 3 is said to be red while the decals provide a black number.
I tend to believe the book is more reliable, so I will paint the fin as shown in my drawings, and try to make a red 3 and print the decals myself.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/colours3.jpg)
This is the top view, here the book says the 3 is red and there is the squadron emblem on the left, while the kit suggests there was an solid white circle on the left.
Again I believe to the book and will try to draw the red rooster in order to print it at a suitable size to be put on the top wing.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/colours4.jpg)
This is the top side of the bottom wings
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/colours5.jpg)
And this is the bottom view of the left bottom wing, the cockades are obviously symmetrical on both the wings but again the no.3 should be red.
Thanks for your attention
AnDonio
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Andonio,
It's coming along beautifully, you are doing wonders with this basic Kit. Your scratch built additions are taking it far beyond it's potential, and it's going to be a really unique and impressive addition to your cabinet. An enjoyable Build to follow, keep up the exceptional work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks a lot Lance for your kind appreciation, indeed it will be an impressive addition to my cabinet, because I can't find enough room for such a big model!!!
Antonio
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Andonio,
It's coming along beautifully, you are doing wonders with this basic Kit. Your scratch built additions are taking it far beyond it's potential, and it's going to be a really unique and impressive addition to your cabinet. An enjoyable Build to follow, keep up the exceptional work!
Cheers,
Lance
Agree 100% with LAnce !
Ed
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Hi Antonio;
I've got the Breguet 14B2 in my stash, so I've been following your build with interest. You are doing a great job.
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Thanks Jamie and Ed!
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Wow, I like everything on your build, the chosen sheme and your wonderful progress. Very nice!
Borsos
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Andonio,
Outstanding progress my old friend. As always your excellent skill and craftsmanship absolutely shine. I'm looking forward to following along. Take care and keep up the excellence.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks Borsos and Gregory, your words are highly appreciated!
Antonio
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Really Andonio you know how to turn a pig's ear into something rather different and more desirable. The scheme is striking indeed, but the drilling of the plastic rod to make those collars is just something else again. Excellent modelling.
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen!
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Hallo everybody,
this evening I drew the rooster in vectorial format:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/gallo1.png)
Should somebody be interested to download the SVG file (for non commercial purposes) here it is
DOWNLOAD (http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/gallo.svg)
Ciao
Antonio
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spectacular Andonio!
Xan
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spectacular Andonio!
Xan
Thanks Xan.
I read on the Albin Denis site and somewhere else (I don't remember exactly where, maybe on the Davilla / Soltan book) that the circle behind the rooster could have been light blue and the rooster black. I think nobody knows what the real colour was, therefore in this case I decided by myself and prefer red rooster on white background.
Should someone need a version of the emblem in different colours, just ask me and I'll repaint it in a few seconds.
Thanks again for the attention and appreciation!
Antonio
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Simply beautiful Antonio!
Thanks for the rooster`s drawing too!!!! You`re the man!
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Thank you Filip! ;)
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Hi Andoni I loocked about BR117 and didn't find a lot of things...
the Albin Denis web site is indeed the most rich in informaiton...
about the interpretaiton of B&W pics you know...
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos2/117_Breguet14B2.jpg)
anyway i would say as you white fot the backgroun it's quite evident.
for the coquerel it's impossible to know between back and red. i would have done as you red.
as you surely seen , whe have a breguet XIV insigna
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Insignes/117_Decoupe_Couleur.jpg)
personally I like it and you can be sure of the colors, but it it doesn't fit with this plane, more in this kind of decoration:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/117_Breguet14B2_1346.jpg)
Anyway the type you choose seems acording to the Denis's pics more representative of the Br117's planes...
Xan
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Merci beaucoup, xan...
yes, I had seen the golden coquerel on light blue background, but, as you say the white background is more likely for that plane (S/N 1333), the background is too light to be blue and the coq is too dark to be yellow...
So I will go as I stated in the posts above.
Do you have any idea about the colour of number 3?
Thanks again!
Antonio
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Hallo everybody,
not a lot to show, but really a lot of work was done lately on the cockpit cage.
I had to carefully study the way to proceed to make all the details fit (it was difficult to me, so I share the step-by-step process I followed below, hoping it will be useful to those attempting the same kit in the future) and in the end this is the result:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-056.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-057.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-058.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-059.jpg)
First thing I cut from the two pieces holding the longitudinal bar on which the two control sticks are and put the bar in place with the sleeves, drilled to host the two sticks.
Second I made from plasticard the "floor" of the observer / gunner / 2nd pilot. The photo from the Harry Woodman article posted by Jamo
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/hw%20trapdoors.jpg)
and the PE piece supplied by the kit
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/pe-detail.jpg)
were not consistent, so I decided to make the floor myself and used the PE piece as back of the observer seat.
The cushion on which the observer placed his bottom is supplied as a resin piece by the kit.
Third: I placed the two footresting planks in front of the pilot
Fourth: I made the pedals from scratch (not liking the shape of the PE parts) and glued them in place
Fifth: I joined the two couples of pedals with cables (I tried to use EZ line but the tension needed to keep it straight was too much for the tiny point of glue holding the pedal bars in place)
Sixth: I made the foot holders with old PE remains
Now I have glued the pilot's seat and am working on the control columns.
I think it's enough for today!
Thanks for watching!
Antonio
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Really nice work on the flooring! Continuing to be an excellent build!
RAGIII
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I just found this log Andonio,it is a fascinating read and I will be making great use of it when I build mine;the way you have addressed the various extra details is quite inspiring.Kudos for generously providing your files for us also.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Really nice work on the flooring! Continuing to be an excellent build!
RAGIII
Thanks Rick!
I just found this log Andonio,it is a fascinating read and I will be making great use of it when I build mine;the way you have addressed the various extra details is quite inspiring.Kudos for generously providing your files for us also.
Cheers,
Dave.
Thanks Dave, I'm glad when my WIPs are useful to someone !
AnDonio
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Great work, Antonio!
One can see how much patience and time you invest in this subject. It will look great.
Bye,
Manni
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Great work, Antonio!
One can see how much patience and time you invest in this subject. It will look great.
Bye,
Manni
Thanks Manni,
unfortunately due to real life engagements, it has become very hard to find time slots to sit t the workbench, so (if possible) I am going slower than usual... :-(
But that's it and I must cope with it!
Antonio
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Hallo forum-mates!
I found just a couple of hours in the weekend to finish the cockpit, making the 2 control sticks and assemblying them to the cage, plus the pilot seat and seatbelts.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-060.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-061.jpg)
I also cut some "glass" panels to fit the two window holes, I used a thicker plastic, the acetate sheet provided by the kit is too thin.
Thanks for watching!
Antonio
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(http://s16.rimg.info/013b5722cbd5dc2f8609859758d78ac1.gif) (http://smiles.33bru.com/smile.128492.html)
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Looks good! For some reason I missed this build, but catching up made for interesting reading! :)
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it was difficult to me, so I share the step-by-step process I followed below, hoping it will be useful to those attempting the same kit in the future
Antonio, I don't have this kit, but some others of this company, so I will watch carefully for ideas how to handle such old kits.
Good progress so far!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks to all, guys, I am glad you liked my slow-build!
:-D
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Terrific update Antonio! The seat and belts look awesome!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, the belts are PE parts provided by the kit, the seat is a resin part of the kit itself, the cushion was made by scratch.
The control column in front of the pilot's seat is tilted forward a bit too much, while the observer one is straight. Will try to adjust.
Antonio
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Very nice progress so far, Andonio, will be following with great interest!
Cheers
Ondra
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Thank you Ondra!
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Hi Andonio do you know this pic?
it seems to be a real autochrome:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/23//17112312384522623415382274.jpg)
another thing: a friend of mine started a breguer XIV at 1/32 in integral scratch.
it is a very good modelers and you will surely find interesting informations in his topic:
http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=100961 (http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=100961)
Xan
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Thanks Xan for your head-up, the photo is very nice and your friend's WIP is a great piece to follow!
He has just begun but I will visit that forum often!
Merci beaucoup!
Antonio
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Hallo friends,
here are the latest advancements on the BrXIV.
Studying the rigging by observing the photos such as this:
(http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/Bre14/Bourget//LaAn/br14_03.jpg)
I understood that these cables (highlighted in yellow in the following schema) are double. So I had to prepare a double anchoring point on the fuselage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/rigging1a.jpg)
Port
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-062.jpg)
Starboard
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-063.jpg)
Then I worked on some details:
Instrument panel:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-064.jpg)
Exhaust tube (resin piece):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-065.jpg)
Tail skid (white metal), I di not like the metal piece so I scratch built a different one:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-066.jpg)
This is the radiator (resin):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-067.jpg)
The wheels (resin):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-068.jpg)
I drilled the holes for the pins of the landing gear structure (white metal). I preferred to do this before closing the fuselage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-069.jpg)
I had to clean the pieces from flashes and moulding lines.
This is the inter-wheels axle:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-070.jpg)
the rubber chords are molded around the hubs, but they are horrible (see top picture left hub), so I decided to model the plastic and create the saddle where to roll the chord.
Both the hubs modified as shown in the bottom photo.
This is the elastic thin chord that was supplied with the Academy Ni 17 1/32 kit that I glued with CA to some sprue to check the adhesion
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-071.jpg)
Propeller (white metal):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-072.jpg)
Everything now is ready to close the fuselage, so I painted the interiors:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-073.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-074.jpg)
Oops, another thing that has to be checked before closing the fuselage is the tail planes (vertical and horizontal.
As all the pieces of this kit those pieces have no pins to be blocked onto the fuselage, so I drilled and pinned the plastic:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-075.jpg)
Here you can see that I also had to work to round the forward lower part of the fin because it did not fit well. it was too "deep"...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-076.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-077.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-078.jpg)
That's all for today, I have other little things to show but I haven't yet had time to take pictures and to describe them.
A demain!
Ciao
Antonio
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Beautiful work, Antonio!
Cheers,
Bud
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Beautiful work, Antonio!
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with my Amigo as always!
RAGIII
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Congratulations Andonio!
I like very much the exhaust
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-065.jpg)
can you tell a litlle more about the painting?
Xan
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Beautiful work, Antonio!
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with my Amigo as always!
RAGIII
Thanks Rick & Bud!
I appreciate your kind comments!
Congratulations Andonio!
I like very much the exhaust
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-065.jpg)
can you tell a litlle more about the painting?
Xan
Hi Xan, thanks for commenting, about the exhaust: it's very simple, I layed a coat of Tamiya XF-56 Metallic Grey and then a light drybrush of Tamiya X-33 Bronze.
Antonio
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Hallo, I started working on the control horns of the tail assembly: as shown in the attached image they are of the "half moon" type (I don't know if there is a technical term to identify them)
THe red arrows indicate the place where the should go
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-079.jpg)
So I started carving them on plasticard
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-080.jpg)
I had prepared also the control horns of the rudder:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-081.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-082.jpg)(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-083.jpg)
I have also started working on the twinlewis ring mount.
Here is how I modified the racks for vertical orientation:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-084.jpg)
Have a nice Sunday everybody!
Antonio
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Nice work on those small parts -the exhaust looks great, too!
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Wow, Nice job on carving those control horns. They look the part!
RAGIII
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Thank you Jeroen and Rick.
I have finished the 4 control horns, will photograph them when glued at their place.
Meanwhile I closed the fuselage:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-085.jpg)
top and bottom views
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-086.jpg)
I show here two plates I inserted on the ceiling and on the floor of the engine room.
The top one is needed to lay the exhaust on it, the bottom one is needed to avoid seeing the empty space from the louvres below the engine (PE piece to be put in place after)
I have put the central "tooth" to give the bottom PE piece with the louvres a further contact point with the model.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-087.jpg)
Here you can see the radiator and the exhaust dry fitted to see how they look like, the black areas on the cheeks are roughly painted to avoid the gray of the plastic peep out from the side louvres and to give the brass pieces more "grip".
I have also sanded the inner face of the PE to prepare the contact surfaces more grip.
That's all for today, I wish you a beautiful and relaxing Christmas Eve and many beautiful models beneath the tree!!!
Hugs to everybody.
AnDonio
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Nice progress Antonio! Looking very good to say the least!
RAGIII
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Thanks again Rick!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-088.jpg)
Yesterday night I have painted the bombs.
I wasn't able to find any reference on the colours of French bombs, I just saw sometimed the same bombs had very different colours, so I painted some bombs different from the other ones of the same type, and I painted on some of them national colours, I know sometimes the bombs were made recognisable, so here they are. I hope you'll like them, I do!
;-)
Antonio
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I succeeded in working some time on the Breguet: I have decided not to prime the fuselage, there are too many details to mask and the control cables going to the tail, so I started to paint it.
I painted with Tamiya flat aluminium the metallic parts that will be covered with the camouflage and also half of the belly.
The remainder will be painted Misterkit MKFR03 Light Yellow, same colour of the fuselage inside.
At the moment this is the state of the work:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-089.jpg)
top view
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-090.jpg)
Starboard side:
- the white circle was made to lay the decal upon it, it was intended to avoid the dark colours of the camo peeping from under the decal, it will be masked before painting the camouflage
- the boxes painted in dark iron will be the seat of the two little panels with louvres for air
- I also painted dark brown the seams / stitching. They were touched up after taking the photo, here they appear a bit irregular, that is because I took off too rapidly the masking tape. The stitching will be overpainted by the camo colors and after I will try to gently brush them to let the brown come out (wish me luck on this, I never tried it!)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-091.jpg)
Port side
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-092.jpg)
Belly: it will be left in bare metal, the black area beneath the "chin" will host a PE panel with louvres ...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-094.jpg)
... here it is. I used Tamiya brown Panel line Accent to enhance the lines, the carburators air intakes were just two holes, I used a 1,5 mm diamater brass tube, hit on a very small anvil I have to get that oblong shape.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-093.jpg)
These are the panels that will go oneach cheek, first painted in flat aluminium and then painted with their final colors.
The metallic color will hopefully come out when I'll make some scratch, some are already there but are difficult to see due to the flash of my camera. THe colours are also too much "acid", they look better in natural light.
That's all for tonight
Ciao
AnDonio
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Very Nice progress Antonio! The panels should look great in place and scratched up!
RAGIII
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Thank you Rick!
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Hallo, I just rose from my bed after 2 days (and nights) of flu, here are some pics I took just before falling ...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-095.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-096.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-097.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-098.jpg)
From the pics some touch up to the camo appears to be required, moreover there is gap between the top side of the radiator and the cowling, I'll fit a thin stip of plasticard in it to reduce its visibility.
Well that's all for today, thanks for watching
Antonio
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Very fine progress, and waiting for the next updates.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thank you Giuseppe.
After closing the fuselage I added a couple of details : a sort of square panel between the two cockpit openings, it was depicted on all the profile drawings I found on the Windsock datafile and on one photo on the same source, and the fuel tank cork, I made it a bit thicker than the PE part supplied by the kit, I am not sure about its position, because so far I was not able to find any drawing of this plane without the top wing, even the WD had no 3 views drawing as normally has.
The documentation about this plane is very scarce.
Thanks for looking
Antonio
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The side cowl panels look very good in place. The PE Louvres look excellent. You are making great progress and I too am looking forward to your next update.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, glad you're liking this!
Here is some touch up made since last photos to the camo painting and reducing the gap between the top of the radiator and the cowling.
There appears some more touch up to be done to the side panels, but I'm afraid the paint could go into the louvres so I haven't decided yet to make it or not...
The pics:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-099.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-100.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-101.jpg)
A glimpse of the cockpit:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-102.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-103.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-104.jpg)
Today I feel still very weak recovering from the flu so I worked to complete the self made decals at the PC, I made the last piece I was missing: the tail stencils.
Here goes the PNG:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/coda.png)
The national colours are there just to show how it will look (or it should) in the end.
For the forum mates who want to use this NOT for commercial use here is the vector format (http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/scritte di coda1.svg)
Thank you as usual for your attention!
Antonio
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The style and lettering of the rudder stencils were inspired by the WINDSOCK DATAFILE Special (that shows style and lettering of nearly all the different production industries) and are the kind of stencil painted by Michelin on their production machines.
No. 1333 should be a Michelin built plane.
Same for the camo painting on wings, tail and fuselage, the camo was very standardized within a given factory.
Antonio
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Oops, where is my post from yesterday? Antonio I have forgotten to click on post after Preview :( So I try it again:
Those short run kits needs some special attention to get a nice model from it, but you seems to fight a good battle against the shortcomings of that kit.
Keep on fighting!
Cheers,
Frank
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Oops, where is my post from yesterday? Antonio I have forgotten to click on post after Preview :( So I try it again:
Those short run kits needs some special attention to get a nice model from it, but you seems to fight a good battle against the shortcomings of that kit.
Keep on fighting!
Cheers,
Frank
I agree with Frank! Looking forward to your next update.
RAGIII
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This is making wonderful progress. The Breguet is such an elegant aircraft and you are doing a great job to show her beauty.
Best regards
Borsos
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Thank you guys, I haven't been so active lately, but I am proceeding.
Antonio
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I'm glad to start again this WIP that was frozen to build the three 1/144 Hanriots to participate to a WW1 campaign on the other (Italian) forum I follow.
Before stopping I had started painting the tail planes.
During this weekend I have completed painting and put on some decals and other tiny details.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-105.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-106.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-107.jpg)
It was not easy to obtain colours as close as possible to the cocardes I will use on the wings (I have the Blue Rider BR503 WW1 French Escadrille leaflet).
The blue was made this way:
1. Base Mrkit FC14 Blue Cocardes
2. I have lightened it mixing a few drops of Vallejo Panzer aces 313 Stencil (same colour I used for the white band and I always use as off-white)
3. I slightly dimmed the brighteness with few drops of Tamiya XF20 Medium Grey
4. THen slightly turned the tone towards purple dropping some Lifecolor "Dinosaur Brown", a dark red I used to paint the hull (the submerged part) of the fishing boats I used to build. It was about 20 years ago! The colour is still alive and kicking!
For the red and I mixed 50% of Lifecolor "Dinosaur Brown" and 50% of Mr.Kit IT06 Flag Red
THe control horns are scratch built and painted.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-108.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-109.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-110.jpg)
In the two detail photos are the Gaspatch one end type eyelets I will use for the rigging that will go across the vertical tail.
Thanks for watching!
Antonio
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The tail and markings are looking excellent!
RAGIII
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Truly, those tail markings look sweet!
Gaz
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Thank you guys!
:-)
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Hallo friens,
first of all I apologize for not posting anything for such a long time, many other engagements kept me away from the workbench, but I did not remain totally idle.
Yesterday I completed the paintwork on the wings:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-111.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-112.jpg)
before that I studied a lot the rigging schema and decided to make anchor points from scratch for the main rigging between the struts and also made control horns for the top wings and other tiny pieces I did not photographed, you'll see them when I'll put them in place.
For the remainder of the rigging I will use the Gaspatch one end type eyelets and there are a lot to glue in the wings. For the time being I just drilled the holes.
Antonio
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Looks great Antonio!
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Thank you Gaz
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Your paint work looks terrific Antonio!
RAGIII
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Beautiful painting, looking forward to see the whole assembled.
Giuseppe
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Thanks friends, yesterday evening I started completing the wings with some wheathering and details such as anchor points, control horns and eyelets.
Antonio
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Hallo friends.
Yesterday I found some energy to complete the work on the wings.
Here are some pictures.
The pictures look a bit over-saturated because I took them with a low light and had to balance the white (my GIMP sw does not allow scaling the white intensity).
I also used the the cockades from the Blue Rider sheet, they were in good conditions, just one cockade broke (the break line is visible in one of the pics below) but I managed to make the halves meet. I also cut the roundels in two separating the part of the decal that should go on the aileron from the one that goes on the wing.
I also invented small pieces of plasticard with couples of holes to anchor the double threads crossing between the struts parallel to the trailing edge.
I decided to use eyelets to anchor the threads between corresponding front and back struts (parallel to the fuselage).
Bottom Right wing bottom surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-113.jpg)
Bottom Right wing top surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-114.jpg)
Bottom Left wing bottom surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-115.jpg)
Bottom Left wing top surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-116.jpg)
Detail showing the anchor points
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-117.jpg)
Top left wing top surface (this is the broken cockade, the break line is visible)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-118.jpg)
The halo around the roundel (it shows on all the 4 roundels) is due to the paint against the masking tape (I gave the wings many coats and it turned as a thick border I was not able to take away)
Top left wing bottom surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-119.jpg)
The "holes" on the ailerons will be used to let the control cables go to the control horns. I put there some rimming cutting the plastic external tube of an electric wire.
Top right wing top surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-120.jpg)
Top right wing bottom surface
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-121.jpg)
Thanks for watching
Antonio
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That looks great Antonio! I like the use of the tubing for the eyelets. Something I will have to remember as it looks very clean.
Gaz
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Very nice update on the wings, the overall look is highly realistic.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks Gaz and Giuseppe.
I made a mistake showing twice the picture of Top left side wing top surface instead of the right side one.
Now I have replaced it...
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Really terrific work on the anchors for the rigging. I have to say again how much I Love the Camo!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I love the camo as well, it is brush painted (I have no airbrush and it's not a priority in my purchasing list!) but I like the irregular look.
Maybe I use the wrong brushes, although I use many diluted coats, I seem not able to paint regular surfaces... so I must like what I do!
(I know the answer is buy yourself an airbrush but I have no energy to and time to dedicate to learning and experimenting such a new technique - maybe a brush painting course...)
Antonio
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Really terrific work on the anchors for the rigging. I have to say again how much I Love the Camo!
RAGIII
Gotta agree with my Amigo on the Camo !!
Ed
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Thank you Ed!
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Very colorful.
I look forward to seeing the diff colors come together.
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Thanks Steve!
To all of the followers of this thread: I am leaving tomorrow for a short holiday, will be back in early July and hope to give this model some kind of acceleration!!!
Antonio
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Enjoy yourself. I look forward to seeing yours next update.
Kevin
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Thank you Kevin, I am just back from the seaside, here it's so hot ... Later I will turn the air conditioning on in the working room...
Antonio
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Hallo,
just a "small" update, but it took a long time and a big amount of sweat in a 40ish °C heat...
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-123.png)
the ring supporting the twin Lewis was 90% made from scratch.
It is made by two rings (lower wooden ring and upper iron ring).
The kit supplies just one ring and I used it painted in metal tone.
I had to made the lower one using a square section road (1 mm) that I curved to a circular-ish shape using hot water . But after a while it opened returning back towards its straight origins...
In the end I succeeded in gluing it in a closed form but it reminded more of an egg than of a circle, gluing the iron one on top it is sufficiently hidden.
The U shaped iron holder was made as well using a 0.75 diameter plastic rod that was bent to its shape and cut in the middle to glue it on the ring avoiding the straigthening tension.
The joint in the middle is a piece of rubber coating of a thin electric wire.
The two vertical elements standing on the metal circle were PE elements provided by the kit, but they did not have the holes and I drilled them.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-124.jpg)
These are the two Gaspatch Darne Lewis Full Heatsinks 1/48.
I made myself (white plasticard elements) a joining piece and a small rod for keeping the barrels parallel (I think), that I saw in many pictures.
That is all for now.
Thanks for watching
Antonio
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The ring and guns will be a very nice addition to your already great Breguet.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Grazie Giuseppe!
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Very nice work on the mount and guns! Looking terrific
RAGIII
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Thank you Rick!
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Antonio,
The mount and guns look great! Keep up the inspiring work!
Gaz
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Thanks Gaz!
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Hi guys,
apologies for not posting anything since such a long time... works are going slower and many real life things kept me off the bench.
Lately I was able to sit more frequently and here is the current state of the art:
The bird has now the wings and a tail!!!
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-124.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-125.jpg)
A detail of the first double wire going from the fuselage to the lower wing
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-126.jpg)
Here you can see the outboard Vickers, I made from scratch the shield protecting the observer / gunner from the shells of the bullet fired by the Vickers, this is shown in many historical pictures, and the windshield.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-127.jpg)
Tail with its rigging:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-128.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-129.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-130.jpg)
Here I haven't yet put the 4 small struts joining the horizontal planes to the fin (top) and to the fuselage (bottom)
The tail skid is scratch built
A look to the belly of this big bird (new decals since last picture):
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-131.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-132.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-133.jpg)
New decals on the top wing too:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-134.jpg)
Here is the twin Lewis on its mount:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-135.jpg)
Here it is provisionally laid on its place
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-136.jpg)
I am about to complete the tail and the three double wires missing on top of the lower wing, then go ahead with the wing struts, I will hopefully post more sooner than this last update.
Antonio
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... oops I made a big mistake!
Looking at the rigging schema I noticed the 2 double wires going from the fuselage to the lower wing cross and don't go to the inner strut that is aligned with them... oh here is the schema it's easier to see it then to rread it! I am talking about the red ant the blue lines:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/rigging1.jpg)
So I need to make it again
Ouff
Antonio
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No worry, you will get it right!
This is a damn confusing rigging >:( Oh my G.. what I have done ::) Your build invited me to grab this kit in the net. So one day in the far future I will build this kit too.
You made a good progress!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thank you Frank, I have just removed the double wire and had to make a new anchor point because it was encrusted with Cyano glue.
Antonio
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Everything looks great Antonio!
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Everything looks great Antonio!
Thanks Gaz!
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The model looks super Andonio. I do sympathise with that rigging - it looks a total nightmare to me but then I suspect that if it is taken step by step it is not too bad. Even so, I was confused when I first saw the diagram and I am sure that I would have made even more mistakes if I was rigging this one.
Stephen.
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Thanks Stephen, the rigging is not complicated, but it will be long indeed...
I have completed the X crossing rigging, put some little additional decals (lever ici... and other small details) and hopefully tonight I will complete the tail.
Some more pictures then
Ciao
Antonio
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Good evening everybody,
here are the latest news on the Bre XIV:
New double wires X crossing as they should...
Port
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-137.jpg)
starboard
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-138.jpg)
Tail is now completed:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-139.jpg)
New tiny decals on the starboard side
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-140.jpg)
and on the port side
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-142.jpg)
View from the back
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-141.jpg)
View of the bottom
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-143.jpg)
Thanks for your attention!
Antonio
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Just catching up on this one Antonio. All is looking excellent. Nicely done markings and rigging!
RAGIII
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Thank you Rick!
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Beautiful details, it's a very nice update.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks Giuseppe!
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Hallo,
Sunday sessions on the Breguet:
After rigging the first 4 couples of cables that did not involve the upper wing I decided to prepare all the rest of rigging BEFORE glueing the 8 struts and putting the upper wing on top.
That was because the EZ line is very difficult to slip into the anchor points I built for the double wires
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-117.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-145.jpg)
I preferred to put the line in position now so at least for the bottom wing the job is easy enough, for the top wing... well I don't know...
Before going on I needed to make a numbered list of all the cables needed:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-144.jpg)
On the left the written list, on the right the schema you already know with the numbers on it.
Excluding the tail and the cabane, there are 13 cables to set on each side of the plane, where the couple of double wires counts 1.
Here is the patient as it looks now on the operation table:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-146.jpg)
I have not yet glued the X crossing cables rigging the corresponding struts (back and forward internal / back and forward external), so there are still 8 missing from the table, I guess I'll put them on next weekend because now my eyes go round in circles... ::)
After completing the rigging I will glue the struts and then the upper wing, the problem is how to turn the plane upside down to work with the top wing laying on the table, what will happen to the intricate set of cables?
By now I re created the shape of the wings on a piece of transparent thick acetate (from a shirt box) and marked the struts positions, drilled out, to give the struts a correct position once glued to the bottom wing.
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-147.jpg)
I should have done it before putting eyelets and control horns on the wing, so I just laid the acetate on the wing and traced very gently the profile with a marker...
OK that's all for today!!!
Thanks for watching
Antonio
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Antonio,
I've been following your progress here and have to express my compliments on a very fine Build. I really like your idea of numbering and indexing all of the rigging wires, a very clever idea and one I'll borrow from you! This is a complicated rigging configuration and I can well imagine your eyes are going around in circles at this stage! Enjoy the short break and it will become much easier after that.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very clever preparation! Good luck for the rigging, this will improve the look of the model further.
Cheers,
Frank
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Moving along nicely, await next batch of pics !!
Ed
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Thank you guys, comments are always encouraging and much appreciated!
Antonio
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Dear friends, patient followers of this long lasting work:
I used the transparent acetate wings to keep in place the struts between the wings while the glue was drying:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-148.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-149.jpg)
Then completed the rigging work between the wings:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-150.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-151.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-152.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-153.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-154.jpg)
I forgot, as clearly stated on the instruction sheet, that the leading edge of the upper wing should be 4mm backwards with respect to the one of the lower wing, so the struts should have been tilted backwards, while I made them vertical.
I have put the cabane struts on and of course I needed to glue them 4 mm forwards not matching the holes in the fuselage.
This work is lasting too much and I wouldn't take further time to correct this error, so I went forward and closed the gap among the two top wings.
I'm going to add more meaningful details before shooting new photos.
Thanks for your attention!
Antonio
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Great idea with acetate top wing, I also will borrow this as it may avoid lots or trouble. And the plane looks beautiful with wings installed and rigged.
Ciao
Giuseppe.
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Thank you Giuseppe.
Some rigging is still missing, as soon as I'll complete it I'll post some more photo.
Antonio
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Antonio,
That Acetate Wing template for strut orientation is a brilliant idea, I'll be adding that to my box of tricks for sure! Great Build you have going here and thank you again for sharing your techniques. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Antonio that really looks sharp and the acetate wing is just great, thanks for posting.
Ryan
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Antonio, your Breguet is looking great and your use of a clear top wing template is genius.
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Thanks again guys for your appreciation, it lets me feel more and more motivated.
The advantage of being part of such a forum is that everyone shares lots of knowledge, my lot is much smaller than others' but I am happy to share it.
I hope to make some more work during the week...
Ciao
Antonio
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A lot of rigging and a lot of work ::)
My kit is going down a bit in the stash, I need something easier at the moment :-X
Good luck with finishing!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thank you Frank, I need something easier as well!!!
:-D
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Andonio - you have answered a question for me as I want to drill holes in the top wing for my FB 5 and was thinkig how I could do this and get it right first time. Now I know! Brilliant idea which another moddeller has just put into his box of tricks. Many thanks for showing us.
Stephen.
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Glad you took advantage out of this technique Stephen.
I haven't invented it although I don't remember where I saw it first time.
I already used it on my Roden 1/72 Albatros W4 6 yrs ago
(http://www.andonio.it/model/albatrosw4/074.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/albatrosw4/076.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/albatrosw4/078.jpg)
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Antonio, how do you push ezline through the small holes, like in your anchor points?
This gives me a lot of trouble, especially when going into brass rod. The ezline likes to catch.
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Antonio, how do you push ezline through the small holes, like in your anchor points?
This gives me a lot of trouble, especially when going into brass rod. The ezline likes to catch.
Softscience, I have no particular method to push the line into the holes, just use tweezers and an ocean of patience...
:-)
sometimes I help the insertion by cutting the tip of the line in "diagonal" with very sharp small scissors, in order to have a smaller tip.
Antonio
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I personally think this is your best rigging to date. Not saying there was anything wrong with prior builds ,this one just looks crisp! I am really looking forward to the completion of this one!
RAGIII
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I personally think this is your best rigging to date. Not saying there was anything wrong with prior builds ,this one just looks crisp! I am really looking forward to the completion of this one!
RAGIII
Thank you Rick, I agree with you, due to its complexity I put much more care in it, it is not yet complete, keep tuned!
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Hallo,
I show here new photos of my work, they apparently don't differ from the previous set, but now all the wing and inter-wing apparel is complete, I added the cabane struts + rigging, the aileron cables, some "rigid" cables or struts that are among the two wings (same will be from the undercarriage and the lower wing.
Now the photos. I hope you'll like them although they unmercifully show all the imperfections... :-O
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-155.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-156.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-157.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-158.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-159.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-160.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-161.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-162.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-163.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-164.jpg)
Next step will be to complete the lower face of the lower wings: Undercarriage and bombs. I must be very careful because the wings are very long and they are not bound so stiffly to the fuselage...
Thanks for your attention!
Antonio
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The complex rigging is very well done. I'm looking forward to see your Breguet standing on its feet.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Grazie Giuseppe!
I hope to complete the undercarriage by this weekend.
Antonio
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Rigging looks great and very good progress overall!
RAGIII
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Great progress, very fine rigging.
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Thanks guys,
I completed the work this morning, here are the pictures:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-165.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-166.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-167.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-168.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-169.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-170.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-171.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-172.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-173.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-174.jpg)
(http://www.andonio.it/model/breguet14/bre14-175.jpg)
(the twin Lewis fell off their support while taking the pictures, so you see them in 2 different positions!)
Thanks for watching!
Antonio
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Antonio,
I have enjoyed this build through every step. Thanks for sharing with us.
Kevin
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Thanks to you Kevin, and to your patience in following such a long and discontinuous build!
:-)
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wonderful really Andonio.
a lot of work but the result is beautifull!
Xan
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Thank you Xan!
I am super happy a masterclass modeler as you liked my work!
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I seem to have missed the final photos until now! Terrific results on a difficult kit! I enjoyed following along.
RAGIII
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I seem to have missed the final photos until now! Terrific results on a difficult kit! I enjoyed following along.
RAGIII
I am super happy a masterclass modeler as you liked my work!
SELF-DITTO!
Same goes to you Rag-Master!
Thanks Rick
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Antonio,
WOW,she's a real beauty my old friend. Excellent from start to finish and very enjoyable to follow. Congratulations and Well Done!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks Greg, you can't see my cheeks blushing!
I know many defects of this build, but all in all I am proud enough of it, it's my best so far...
I hope to get beyond it with the double Pfalz build dedicated to Des' beloved memory.
Antonio
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Very very nice! You made a great model which is not really often seen built out of a very troublesome kit. That’s more than one reason for being proud of it.
Best regards
Andreas
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Very very nice! You made a great model which is not really often seen built out of a very troublesome kit. That’s more than one reason for being proud of it.
Best regards
Andreas
Thanks a lot Andreas, I read this just now!
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I am very glad to be back and to see the result here, very fine work, Antonio, well done!
Cheers
Ondra
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I too missed the photos for this model. That is simply first class in every way, especially the markings.
Stephen.
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Ondra, Stephen, thank you!
:-)