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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: lone modeller on June 30, 2017, 08:40:14 AM
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Evening All,
Most of you know by now that I have a bit of a penchant for, (some might say obsession with), early pusher types. There are a number of reasons for this. One of them is that I really like the complex tail arrangements with all of the attendant rigging and control cables which offer a challenge to the modeller. I also enjoy building the often exposed engines found on many of them, but most of all because they tend to look ungainly, fragile and not very airworthy. In reality many of them were very strongly built, could take a lot of punishment and still stay in the air, could hold their own in dogfights, and in the early stages of WW1 were among some of the better Allied fighting machines which were valued by their aircrews. Sadly very few of these positive attributes could be assigned to the Breuget BR 5 or its immediate predecessor the Br 4, both of which were products of the Michellin (of tyre fame) brothers attempt to foist on to the French armed forces an aircraft which was unsuited to its role, under-powered, poorly designed and generally loathed by those forced to fly in it. That did not stop the RNAS from purchasing some of these aircraft: Britain was so desperate to bring aeroplanes into service that it bought some of this type so that more squadrons could be made operational. Despite the exigencies of war, a better policy might have been more haste less speed in this case, but unfortunately for the aircrews involved, the higher powers only recognised their mistake when it was too late. The result was that Breuget Br 5's were only used for daylight raids for a short time, and then for night raids for as short a time as possible after that, when they were replaced as better types became available.
Given the above it is not perhaps surprising that this type is not well represented by kits: there was a resin kit produced in this scale, (one of which was sold for over $120 on Evil Bay a couple of years ago), but apart form that I do not know of any other. It could also be of course that pushers are also not popular even among modellers of WW1 aircraft because they are thought to be very difficult to build and rig. Such thoughts seem to extend to one of our regular contributors who is justifiably renowned for the skill and attention to the minute detail that he invariably puts into his models, turning what are sometimes very poor and inaccurate kits into potential award winning model aircraft. So pour encourager les autres here is another pusher scratch build. Hopefully it might just cause the modeller above to pull a pusher kit out of his stash when he finishes his current projects and demonstrate how to make a silk pusher out of a sow's ear.
I am unable to provide a picture of the aircraft in question because of copyright reasons but if you type the name into Google images you will find plenty of photos and drawings.
I have started by cutting out wing blanks from 30 thou card bent in hot water in a piece of drain pipe which has been sealed at one end. (I have to thank Stevehed for this idea). The top wing is considerably bigger than the lower wings and at the moment I have only drawn on the lines where the ribs will be glued. These will be made from 10 x 20 thou Evergreen strip which I will then sand down until they are just protruding above the wing surface.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4241/35594324985_16f759232b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WemdJn)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4283/35594322855_0cf8456739_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wemd6D)
I have also started to carve a male mould from balsa wood to plunge mould the fuselage nacelle, but this is not finished yet so no photos at the moment. More later.
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Great to see you starting another pusher Stephen and what a good subject you have chosen this time, I will be following along closely with your build as you do such wonderful work.
Des.
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I'm definitely in on this one, as I have said resin kit in my stash - bought "under the table" and unadvertised for $50 from a lucky connection!
Ian
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Stephen,
I just Googled the beast, looks like a fair challenge alright! Another of your "magical mystery tours" as you turn raw plastic and wood into a masterpiece, I look forward to following along as always.
Cheers,
Lance
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Stephen, this is a fantastic project! I will follow as closely as I always do with your scratch build magic.
The BM. 5 is a great choice. Did you make a decision regarding the markings? a bomber from the famous Oberndorf raid?
Borsos
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Evening All,
Thanks to Des, Ian, Lance and Andreas for your support which I greatly appreciate. Andreas I intend to build a standard RNAS machine: I am not sure whether it will be one that participated in the Oldendorf raid. I have also had confirmed that these machines sat on their tails when unloaded and on the nosewheel when loaded and the crew were in place. As I do not intend to put a crew in and as the bombs were stored in enclosed fairings nobody will be able to see whether the model represents an empty or loaded machine, so I will save myself the trouble of adding weights and leave it to sit on its tail.
I am sorry that there is not a great deal to report at the moment - I am sure that you will know why as there has been more than enough comment about the issue. In addition to which my camera has done some silly things, (or I have - not sure which/who is to blame).
Anyway I have plunge moulded the fuselage halves, cut them out and sanded them, cut out the window apertures and added some framework on the insides, not that much will be visible when the halves are joined. I have not been able to find any interior detail so I have made up a generic pair of seats and IP etc - as they too will hardly be visible I am not too bothered. If anybody wants to look closely when it is finished they are welcome to try, but I somehow doubt that they will. I also added two pieces of 60 thou card to the rear of the nacelles where the exhaust pipes will have to be drilled later: the moulded plastic is just too thin on its own to be able to support the exhausts. I have also added some card at the rear to support the prop shaft and a piece on the top of the rear to help strengthen the joint later - some filler may be needed there as the moulds are not quite as I would like them to be. Before I close the fuselage halves I will cut out two transparencies from clear acetate and glue into place with superglue.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4230/35594323865_5c93fc1790_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wemdp4)
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Nice start, Stephen. I'm not at home at the moment, but I will check the kit when I get home (tomorrow) and see if there is any useful info in the instructions that may help you.
Ian
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You should be OK with this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Breguet_5_drawing.jpg)
Breuget BR 5 on Wikipedia: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Breguet_5_drawing.jpg
Richard
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Sorry I missed this until now! You are off to your usual fantastic start. The wings look great as does your work on the tub! As always I will follow with great interest!!
RAGIII
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Great project, Sir.
Bruce's "Warplanes of the First World War V.4' has a good deal of information on the R.N.A.S. Breguet pushers. Let me know if you have any questions.
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That's a cool one. I like the breguet u.2 and g.4 types from 1910 to 12 period
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Awesome start Stephen, looking forward to your treatment on this one.
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Evening All,
Thanks Ian, Richard, Rick, OM, Scott and Juan for dropping by and leaving such kind remarks. Thanks especially to Richard for the plans: those were actually of the Br 4 (or at least I think that is the correct designation: it was the fighter version of this machine, and the designations are a bit complicated but I believe that I am correct with the numbering).
There has been a bit of a delay with this project as I have struggled to restore pictures to my posts.... I am sure that you will know what I am referring to. Anyway I have managed to make some real progress over the weekend and did some last touches the other night so that I can post something that is, I hope, worth seeing.
I joined the fuselage halves having inserted the windows in the sides first. These were made from thin acetate from an old Airfix bubble wrap. The windows were secured with super glue: I did not add much extra detail inside the fuselage as most of it cannot be seen anyway. The lower wings were glued to the fuselage nacelle and all of the the joints cleaned up with filler and a little sanding - not much was needed as the sides of the fuselage moulded rather well this time. I drilled holes for the exhaust pipes in the rear sides of the nacelle and for struts in the wings. The next step was to put on the booms which I make at this stage as it ensures that they fit exactly and do not have to be adjusted at a later and more delicate stage. My method is as follows for those who have not seen it before:
I start by cutting pieces of florists wire to length. I use this as it is malleable and easy to straighten if it gets bent but it is also rigid enough not to sag or bend under any weight from tail units etc. I then file two shallow grooves into the wings where the wires will be attached at a later stage.
I calculate the angle that the booms need to be in relation to the trailing edges of the wing and make up a simple jig to support the tail end of the booms.
I lay the wing on to a plan and align the wire booms with the plan., putting the ends of the wires over the wing trailing edges in the position that they will eventually be fixed, and on to the jig at the rear end.
When I am satisfied that all is ready I mix some expoxy rapid glue and attach the front ends of the booms to the trailing edges of the wings, lay the wings and booms on the plans to get the alignment correct, and support the rear ends of the booms on the jig. I leave everything for at least 12 hours to harden.
Here is the bottom wing boom assembly with its jig. Note that I have not used the plan in this case as I marked on to the piece of plastic card the positions of the centre line of the aircraft and the booms:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/36184271245_9888aac37d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X8tRcB)
Next is the top wing boom and jig set up, this time over the plan. The file was put on to the wing to hold it down:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/36184293715_22e626a1cf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X8tXT2)
The Breuget booms were different to most pushers because they had short horizontal struts to help improve the strength of the structures: these were put in place with superglue once the main parts were thoroughly set:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/36051664491_d2b664f6f2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WVLcQg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4320/36184296565_30b76e2961_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X8tYJa)
Now the booms are in place I can proceed with the painting and markings, which will be hand painted.
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Lovely work as usual Stephen! I'll check the plans of my kit when I get home to make sure it mentions those support braces....I notice they're not on the plans shown above!
Ian
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Stephen,
Your use of simple but incredibly effective "jigs" and jig like formers never ceases to impress, you make all this appear so simple! The last two photos are impressive, it's really starting to come together ....... lovely work! 8) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Great progress, Stephen, just awesome what you are doing. The nacelle looks as goid as the wings!
Borsos
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Stephen,
Your use of simple but incredibly effective "jigs" and jig like formers never ceases to impress, you make all this appear so simple! The last two photos are impressive, it's really starting to come together ....... lovely work! 8) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
I can't add much to what Lance said so I will just agree 8)
RAGIII
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Coming along beautifully, Sir!
Great work.
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Really looking good Stephen, you did a great job on the nacelle and the wings.
Des.
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excellent progress,i always enjoy your builds
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Evening All,
Thanks to all of you who have dropped by and left such positive comments: I really do appreciate them and find them most encouraging.
Lance I only use what is to hand for my "jigs" - as you can see they would not disgrace a Heath-Robinson cartoon but they do work, are easy to assemble and take apart and do not take very long to construct. I realise that for some I may be sacrificing a tiny amount of accuracy but unless they uses a micrometer I defy them to identify where the inaccuracies are. I am like most people who make models - I do it for fun and making these jigs is part of the fun for me - how to solve a problem is one of the challenges of scratch building that I enjoy. I hope that others may see something useful for themselves in my apparent (or real) madness.
I have been away for short periods recently so progress has been a little slow but the model is now painted so there is something to report. Before I started the painting I added the bomb containers beneath the lower wings: these were carved from 2 sheets of 60 thou card laminated and filed into shape before I glued them into place. I also made the underwing fuel tanks from the front sections of some old bombs from an Airfix kit that I had made when I was a teenager! I cannot now remember which kit they came from but I think that they may have been 500lb from the Douglas Dauntless. I write may because I do not know whether 4 such bombs were provided in that kit. In any event I inserted a fillet of 60 thou card between the sections, filed the card to round section, filled and sanded the joints, and applied paint. Similarly the tail surfaces were cut and shaped from 30thou card and glued together. The radiators were cut from 60 thou card and the surfaces scored with a modelling knife.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4380/36071456680_9240581aba_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WXvDmU)
Breugets seem to have been varnished linen: I used the colour guide in Munson's Bombers 1914-1919 as the basis for my colours. These were mixed from Revell Beige (314) acrylic with a dash of white. The roundels were hand painted: I scribed a circle with a pair of dividers and painted the white first (2 thin coats of Humbrol enamel). When this was dry I scribed two more circles for the red and blue circles which were also Humbrol enamels. The rudder stripes were painted at the same time. Getting the roundels on to the upper wing ailerons was a litlle tricky but was achieved by holding the ailerons in place with small pieces of masking tape while I scribed on the arcs.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36071449310_489112f71a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WXvBaQ)
Now I can assemble the exhausts, fuel tank on the rear fuselage and upper wing and tail surfaces.
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Steven,
Your hand painted markings are sheer magic, flawless! It's just about there now, another show stopper from your talented bench. Nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Steven,
Your hand painted markings are sheer magic, flawless! It's just about there now, another show stopper from your talented bench. Nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
My thoughts exactly
Des.
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Coming along quite nicely, great looking markings.
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Beautiful work, Sir!
The hand-done roundels are tremendous.
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Outstanding work as always, Especially on the hand painted roundels!
RAGIII
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Very nice progress so far, Stephen, you definitely possess excellent scratchbuilding skills, as is visible from every single photo you post!
Cheers
Ondra
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More wonderful work Stephen, although is it me, or is there a blip in the roundel on the right wing about 1 to 2 o'clock? It may just be the pic, but it looks a little flat.....other than that, (if it is even an issue), flawless as usual!
Ian
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Ian,
The "flat" on the right roundel seems to be an effect of the camera because i have looked at the original closely and cannot see a problem. Sometimes there are slight errors in the rings using the method I have described which require touching up, but I do not think that it has happened this time. Thanks for making the point though - much appreciated.
Stephen.
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Evening All,
Thanks Ian, Ondra, Rick, Des, Old Man, Juan and Lance for your kind rekmarks. Lance here is another of my home made jigs - note the great care with which the various components were selected from what was available within arm's reach.......
The exhausts were the first thing to go on after the painting: they were made from rod and glued into the holes in the rear fuselage where I had added extra card in the interior to make the sides stronger. The oil or fuel tank, (not sure which - does anyone know for sure?) above the rear fuselage was made from thick sprue filed and sanded into shape.
The top wing and tail unit were next. The procedure is one that I have used many times before in that I glued the inner wing struts to the lower wing and while these were still flexible I placed the top wing on to them. The tail unit was slid into place between the rear of the booms: I had already put drops of superglue on to the ends of the booms so the tail unit had to be placed carefully before the boom ends were pulled together. The whole was jigged while the wing struts dried out.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4407/36547306036_d73500c202_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XFyuN9)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4349/36593730465_49c8dc0032_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKErak)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4383/36593731775_4638a6a24e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKErxV)
After drying out overnight it was relatively easy to add the remaining wing struts, followed by the cabanes and finally the vertical boom struts. I also glued the radiators on to the cabanes at this stage as they were relatively easy to get to.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4335/36593782315_418a605b51_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKEGzi)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4382/36593783505_86771af362_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKEGVP)
With the wing and booms now firm and strong I could add the large fuel tanks under the top wing.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4332/36593785235_0533b8211a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKEHrD)
Undercarriage next.
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Beautiful!
Richard
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Wow Stephen, it is almost finished. You are doing a great job, you captured the outlines of that rare plane perfectly and gave it a smooth finish that looks flawless!
Borsos
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Evening All,
Thank you Richard and Andreas for you comments which are much appreciated. Yes Andreas the end is in sight - except that I have to complete the rigging first!
I have now added the undercarriage which was easier than I had feared. The main legs were of the oleo type which means sticking the ends of two sizes of shaped strip together: these joints can be weak if they are not handled respectfully. The remainder of the legs were also shaped from strip which had been shaped to aerofoil section. The axles are wire because I want the undercarriage to have some strength: the model is heavy because I have added some weight to the nose but I have a feeling that it is going to be a tail sitter. This is not too important as it would appear that these machines sat on their tails until the crew got in - at which point they tipped on to the nose wheel. My model will be without crew so if it is a tail sitter that will be authentic. The nose wheel has been put into place because it sits between the forward legs: the other wheels will not be fitted until I have rigged the model, which is the next step.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4418/36526767141_d27520e72a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XDKeig)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36526771541_3f5d38ae1f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XDKfB8)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4417/36526777721_5cc3bbf083_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XDKhrF)
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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Awesome work on the gear Stephen! I am really looking forward to seeing the rigging!!
RAGIII
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Lovely work on the undercarriage Stephen, although I'm a little worried about the strength of that rear oleo strut. It will, after all, be the weight carrying part of all his! Could you use a piece of brass rod and clad the top part with plastic strip to widen it? This would give a much stronger one piece strut. Just a thought.
Ian
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Outstanding work Stephen, looking forward to you progress.
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I have not watched this thread for some time and now I see I missed a lot. Great progress, Stephen! Good luck with the rigging.
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Exceptional work Stephen.
Des.
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Evening All,
Thanks Rick, Ian, Juan, Prez, and Des for dropping by and leaving your kind remarks.
I have spent as much time as I have been able in the last few days finishing this - I had to make an emergency visit to a sick relative in between times so was seriously distracted - but have now finished it.
Finishing included adding all of the rigging (rolled 40 SWG copper wire and superglue: thread on a pusher is not practical for me in this scale), the propellor (carved from wood and varnished),the wheels, windscreen from acetate, gun ring etc. As suspected it is a tail sitter in spite of the weight that I added to the nose! Never mind these machines did sit on their tails until the crews got in so as mine is crewless it still looks right.
I will put more pics in the gallery shortly.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4239/35426138282_91a8ea789b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VYudFC)
Thanks for looking.
Stephen.
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What a beauty, truly inspiring build. Congratulations on finishing her.
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Hi LM
You have produced yet another masterpiece. Always a joy to follow you.
Alan.
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Simply gorgeous! You have succeeded in making a truly magnificent and unuasual replica!
RAGIII
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Great. You caught her lines perfectly. I love your scratchbuilding!
Borsos
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Fantastic model Stephen!
Creating such a sensational replica from a handful of plastic and other bits is talent indeed.
Congrats on another superb build.
cheers :)
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Thank you Juan, Al, Rick, Andreas and Boggie for dropping by and leaving such kind reamarks.
Stephen.
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Hi LM,
I haven't been on here for a long time but I have just dropped in to my favourite part of the forum to see what new creations you have made in God's own scale.
Keep up the good work,
Squiffy.
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Thanks Squiffy. There are several other creations too if you scroll down the builds list.
Stephen.