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Title: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on May 22, 2017, 07:48:12 AM
I've been going through a really rough patch financially. My wife had to leave her job late last year due to health issues and, while she's had some part time stuff, we're really hard up. As in I'm selling my car to help pay hers off and so we have a cushion for bills/food.

Anyway.

I caught up with an old friend at a recent airshow and we got talking about models. He's moved onto bigger stuff - has an Airdrome Aeroplanes Fokker Eindecker coming together in his garage and flies a DH.89a for passengers at weekends - but was interested to hear my views on Wingnut Wings kits. I sang their praises and he asked how many I've built - none, due to aforementioned issues. Jump forward to couple of weeks ago when a WNW Pup kit turns up at my door with a touching, encouraging letter from him enclosed.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/3ED308D3-9BA1-49B0-90DA-C13676A9B283_zpsqt8hhazy.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/3ED308D3-9BA1-49B0-90DA-C13676A9B283_zpsqt8hhazy.jpg.html)

Unfortunately I only had half the colours required, so I did what I could while I waited for some more paint to arrive (sold my wargaming figures to finance a couple of treat models, some paint and power bills). Now everything's here except the rigging material - due today or tomorrow - so it's well underway.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/F0BC7085-2E21-4950-8FD3-E0FD33BFC3B1_zpsys2vohbh.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/F0BC7085-2E21-4950-8FD3-E0FD33BFC3B1_zpsys2vohbh.jpg.html)

I followed the paint callouts in the instructions - handy as Tamiya's all I use - but I'm not 100% satisfied. Does anyone have advice on how the "Steel" parts should be painted? XF-56 just looks too close to X-10 for my tastes.

I hope to assemble the cockpit this weekend. Any hints/tips greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: lcarroll on May 22, 2017, 08:06:38 AM
   One of my favorite paints is Mr. Metal Color #213 "Stainless" which I use for Steel parts. It's lacquer based and hard to get here in Canada however it being made in Japan I suspect may be more easily available in NZ. Highly recommended. I hope your fortunes change for the better, and your friend is indeed that!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Des on May 22, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
Sorry to hear of the issues you and your wife are facing at present, I hope the situation improves for you soon.

A agree with Lance, the Mr Metal Color Stainless 213 is a brilliant paint to replicate steel, it can be buffed to quite a nice shine if required, I use it to paint all of my rigging lines. Looking forward to seeing more updates on of your build.

Des.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on May 22, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
Thanks gents, I'll keep an eye out for that! EDIT - the Australian online store I use carries Mr Metal Colour, so that is a big help! It's not much more expensive than the Tamiya acrylics I normally get.

As hoped, the rigging thread arrived moments ago - a roll of black Fine EZ-Line and a roll of flat knitting-in elastic. I'm excited to give it a go!

Adam's all about looking on the bright side and seeking out the positives and it's an incredibly infectious attitude. Luckily my wife has been able to find some work but we have a way to go. The Pup project is a welcome distraction.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: hiddeous1973 on May 22, 2017, 05:15:24 PM
Actually I find the XF-56 a very good base paint for engines. I have used it many times on 1/48 Eduard engines as build mostly 1/48 and use Tamiya a lot.
What I do is a airbrused layer of xf-56 followed by a wash with pure black or half black/half burnt sienna oil paint and then a highlight (drybrush) with pure silver or silver with a bit of burnt sienna. You get a very nice wheatered engine this way.
Good luck and have fun with the Pup, I have build it and it is a brilliant kit.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: andonio64 on May 23, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Great start KiwiZac, I wish you good luck with your financial troubles... I also follow your builld log on BTS

Antonio
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: dr 1 ace on May 25, 2017, 02:39:27 AM
Nice start and best wishes for your future.

Ed
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on May 29, 2017, 07:19:57 AM
Thanks for your kind words, gents!

Not much to report except that late yesterday I rigged the first bay of the starboard cockpit wall:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/rig1_zpsejql7mjj.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/rig1_zpsejql7mjj.jpg.html)

It's a big learning curve (for example: when hungry and cold your hand shakes!) and I now know that CA accelerator would be a big help. I'm sure that the more I do, the better my system will be.

Annoyingly when trimming the sprue gates I cut off one of the tabs on this piece (you can just see the remnant I left on there, at lower right) and both on the port side. That made for a very frustrating moment, but I don't think it'll be a major problem.

I'll replicate turnbuckles with paint rather than buying or building anything - for my first time I'd like to keep it relatively simple.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: aliluke on May 30, 2017, 08:24:35 PM
Hi KiwiZac
Your posts make me worried for you - shaking due to cold and hunger? - that's not good mate. I hope you get that worked out and things get better soon. Sincere best wishes.

The Pup work looks really great and it is heartening to hear that someone passed the kit forward to you.

I reckon you are spot on with paint for turnbuckles - it is what WNW recommend and is more correct for scale in my opinion. After market parts do enhance kits and I've fallen for them in the past but man do they add up in cost.

The simplest CA accelerator is plain water. I found that out by an unfortunate accident - it is dangerously effective at the job and saves you buying any other stuff. A wee dab of water and bingo it sets. Don't use a brush to do it as it will set into the glue as well  :( . You now might guess the mess I got into during this discovery...

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on May 31, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Thanks Alistair, the water tip is a great one! I'll give it a go.

Thanks for your concern. Things are very hard right now but surely can only get better.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Bughunter on June 02, 2017, 07:21:52 AM
That is really nice to see, what details are possible due to size of the parts, compared to my 1/48 Pup. That is really a good start!

But the way this model reaches your door is really impressive - this friend helped you in a really fantastic way!
I wish you some recreational hours with your Pup project, so that you gain a lot of power to help your wife and to overcome the actual situation!

All the best for your wife and you,
Bughunter
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Borsos on June 02, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
Hello,
I 'd like to join in: Very nice start on the Pup and all the best for getting quickly through these problematic times.
Borsos
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 07, 2017, 01:28:18 PM
Thank you, gentlemen, it was a totally unexpected act of kindness that gave me an amazing morale boost.

Unfortunately I had issues with rigging on Monday and fell ill, but was able to finish the sidewall stringing-up yesterday afternoon. I had many problems rigging from the inside corner for some bays so ended up gluing the thread to the outer face of each side. Once I've painted the turnbuckles etc I'll share a pic or two.

A question: where do I run the elevator and rudder cables once they're on the stick/rudder bar? The instructions give no indication of where the other end should go, and photos available online haven't helped much. Any advice on this?
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on June 08, 2017, 05:14:30 AM
I am joining in a bit late but I will add a very well done here, especially on the wood tones.
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 08, 2017, 06:54:15 AM
Thank you! Up until now my wood painting work has been a few propellers and a single Albatros fuselage, all in 1/72, so it's gratifying to have the experts I look up to provide feedback. I just printed out the Wingnut Wings sheet and was lucky to track down some oils (our local shops aren't that great).

I also have a 1/28 Fokker Triplane which has been on-off for a while and a 1/48 one, I may start threads for those this weekend.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: GAJouette on June 08, 2017, 11:36:22 AM
 Kiwi,
I'm no expert on wood painting IMHO, but I certainly do know quality painting when I see it. Well Done my friend! You've got yourself one awesome looking wood job there. Keep up the high excellence and I'm looking forward to the next update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Bughunter on June 10, 2017, 08:00:28 AM
A question: where do I run the elevator and rudder cables once they're on the stick/rudder bar? The instructions give no indication of where the other end should go, and photos available online haven't helped much. Any advice on this?
The elevator cables come out of the fuselage at the back in four pipes, the rudder below the elevator. Please see my Pup in completed Models.
Hope it helps,
Frank
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 10, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
So I will need to run the wires the whole way down?
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 10, 2017, 02:19:32 PM
Here's the state of play after a lovely day at the bench:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/540E4E5C-8AA0-4AE6-92CB-0F4D70C7590F_zpscldy5wau.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/540E4E5C-8AA0-4AE6-92CB-0F4D70C7590F_zpscldy5wau.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Juan on June 10, 2017, 10:52:55 PM
Very nicely done, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on June 11, 2017, 03:13:51 AM
I agree with Gregory and Juan, very nicely painted and your rigging on the sidewalls looks terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: aliluke on June 12, 2017, 03:50:21 PM
Hi
With regard to those control cables from the cockpit - On my Snipe I followed the kit cable layout in the cockpit and then just terminated the wires from where they'd be out of sight. From the fuselage exit point to the control horns they are new wires. Running them all the way through is the pure answer but will be invisible. Even seeing the cockpit cables is near impossible. So unless you're a purist I'd avoid the hassle of running them through.

cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on June 12, 2017, 11:06:22 PM
Hi
With regard to those control cables from the cockpit - On my Snipe I followed the kit cable layout in the cockpit and then just terminated the wires from where they'd be out of sight. From the fuselage exit point to the control horns they are new wires. Running them all the way through is the pure answer but will be invisible. Even seeing the cockpit cables is near impossible. So unless you're a purist I'd avoid the hassle of running them through.

cheers
Alistair

Agree completely! I did the same on my Snipe, Sopwith Tripe, and even my SE5a,(although that one required some innovative thinking)  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: lcarroll on June 13, 2017, 12:25:11 AM
Zac,
    The method I use is to add a rough "block" of styrene to serve as an easy to use anchor point for the wires after they disappear from the visible area. In this photo of my present D.VIII Build the lines were cut later to end at the block where they are anchored with CA. Works like a charm and keeps the rough work well clear of your finished cockpit. The control cables are done later with separate lines per Alistair and Rick's methods.

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_5454.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_5454.jpg.html)

Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: 53ryder on June 13, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Here's the state of play after a lovely day at the bench:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/540E4E5C-8AA0-4AE6-92CB-0F4D70C7590F_zpscldy5wau.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/540E4E5C-8AA0-4AE6-92CB-0F4D70C7590F_zpscldy5wau.jpg.html)


That was a very productive day in my book! Well done!


Glenn
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 13, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
Thanks for your kind words all!

Glenn - here's another shot of the basic floor and controls as they were when I left the bench, where the forward section of the floor actually looks silver (weird discoloration on my original pic):
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/D2DAABB4-1656-4896-9518-C6A61FDA18D9_zpsvnxogsmw.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/D2DAABB4-1656-4896-9518-C6A61FDA18D9_zpsvnxogsmw.jpg.html)

Zac,
    The method I use is to add a rough "block" of styrene to serve as an easy to use anchor point for the wires after they disappear from the visible area.
Thank you Lance, that's the sort of thing I was thinking of! Problem solved - as long as I can get the angle right, a I can be a stickler for detail when I feel like it!

For anyone wondering, I'm using both the WNW paint callouts and Jamo's detail photos of the TVAL repros as references for the colours and I exclusively use Tamiya paints.

I'll get the arrangements on Saturday and hopefully have a decent update to share with everyone later in the weekend. Unfortunately winter is upon us in NZ and it's a particularly cold one this year, so I'm limited to daytime hours in the weekend at The Bench as it's in our garage.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 18, 2017, 08:42:36 AM
I ended up gluing the elevator and rudder cables under the floor. Fortunately my accident cutting 3/4 of the sidewall alignment tabs hasn't caused any issues:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/D55BA002-32AE-4CE6-BF7E-5A9E033F3FE2_zpsq20cqil1.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/D55BA002-32AE-4CE6-BF7E-5A9E033F3FE2_zpsq20cqil1.jpg.html)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/4E700D3A-7424-4178-A048-972CFF877D15_zps1rz003iw.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/4E700D3A-7424-4178-A048-972CFF877D15_zps1rz003iw.jpg.html)

Next step is working toward fuselage assembly.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Des on June 18, 2017, 09:15:36 AM
What you have achieved so far is looking superb, the colours you have used are excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: coyotemagic on June 18, 2017, 10:02:38 AM
Brilliant work on the innards, Zac!  Looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: aliluke on June 18, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
Really nice work. Also looking forward to more.

Stay warm!!!

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on June 18, 2017, 02:47:16 PM
Brilliant work on the innards, Zac!  Looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Bud

I agree with Bud completely!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 28, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
Thank you, gentlemen! I'm very humbled by all this praise coming from modellers whose work I've admired immensely. Thank you.

The fuselage is together! At least, the sides are in place with the cockpit between:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/4EF1E002-C8A8-4626-B36C-7EBF5473C9D9_zpspyykxfiv.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/4EF1E002-C8A8-4626-B36C-7EBF5473C9D9_zpspyykxfiv.jpg.html)

After this photo I did a little PSR on the spine to get rid of the seam - more work is required on the belly - and painted on one coat of Humbrol Matt Cote. This weekend the sides will get Gloss Cote followed by decals. I've also rigged the rear section of the fuselage to match one of Jamo's photos - the moulded-on wires just weren't enough for me. I'll try and get a photo of this area to share.

After decals on the fuselage I'm aiming to add the forward decking (already Matt Coted) and horizontal tail.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on June 29, 2017, 11:29:32 PM
I like your color choice for the Pup! Looking great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2017, 11:40:40 PM
Coming along quite nicely.   :D
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 30, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Thanks gents!

As promised, here's a couple of rather close-up photos of the rearmost fuselage rigging. Please excuse the CDL paint - this was a rough coat to check if my PSR had paid off (it had).
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/2189F281-5512-4BF7-BE6A-7D9ED6D6C688_zpss7jdngom.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/2189F281-5512-4BF7-BE6A-7D9ED6D6C688_zpss7jdngom.jpg.html)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/B0D3E829-575B-4B7E-925B-289C8E97145C_zpsvfma82sz.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/B0D3E829-575B-4B7E-925B-289C8E97145C_zpsvfma82sz.jpg.html)

Yesterday I got off work early so spent a bit more time on the Pup. Part of this was dryfitting the turtledeck. The fit's not great for me so there's some investigation to be done before it goes on for good.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/just%20models/2A3ACD9C-FB44-4BFF-BBD7-D43216D7FE67_zpsqipiuh6d.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/just%20models/2A3ACD9C-FB44-4BFF-BBD7-D43216D7FE67_zpsqipiuh6d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: coyotemagic on June 30, 2017, 07:20:43 AM
Fantastic top decking, Zac!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Matt on June 30, 2017, 07:54:43 AM
Looks good..

Just a little paint on mating surfaces is enough to throw WNW's engineering out and produce an unexpected fit problem. That's what I'd check first.

Matt
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on June 30, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Thanks Matt. I'm wondering if it's the paint on the cabanes - I can press down on the piece to make the gaps go away, but it doesn't feel right and I'm loathe to use superglue in such a visible area.

Fantastic top decking, Zac!
Thanks Bud! It's my first experiment with PrzemoL's yellow base idea (I think it was him). I wasn't happy with my attempt at first but it's grown on me! I figured it would make a nice change due to the cockpit framing and struts all having an XF-59 base, just something to break up the monotony.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: lcarroll on June 30, 2017, 11:27:31 AM
Zac,
    From what I can see in the photo and having built this one I believe it's interference from the cabanes; enlarging their cutouts in the cowling a bit should help. It's coming along very nicely.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: aliluke on June 30, 2017, 04:24:48 PM
Hi Zac
Most of your photos seem to have disappeared...

Cheers
Alistair
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on July 01, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
Unfortunately Photobucket has decided to charge for the privilege of linking images, and I can't afford US$300 per year for that, so I'll take some fresh photos and then start fresh with Flickr.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on July 01, 2017, 01:19:08 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4212/35472415622_12bfa9fb11_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W3zpjN)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/W3zpjN) by ZYates87 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83399146@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4213/35253906580_54edfa4050_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VHgucw)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/VHgucw) by ZYates87 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83399146@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4262/35253905280_568c01c625_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VHgtP7)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/VHgtP7) by ZYates87 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83399146@N05/), on Flickr

I think I'll need to play around with Flickr's settings.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Alpha Delta 210 on July 01, 2017, 06:20:58 PM
Great work. The wood effect is very convincing.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on July 02, 2017, 08:53:12 AM
Excellent wood effect on the coaming! How are you doing with the fit?
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on July 02, 2017, 04:04:01 PM
Thanks guys!

I took Lance's suggestion and played around with the slots for the rear cabanes, after a few cuts and dry fits it was all good. Unfortunately some yellow on the underside got liquefied by the glue and came out so I'll need to do some touching-up....
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4002/35494537722_66afc2209e_b.jpg)
...except my XF-62 has decided to lighten up on me. This was after some stirring and shaking. Very disappointing. I get paid fortnightly so the fuse will have to wait until I can get some more paint.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on November 19, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
This weekend the sides will get Gloss Cote followed by decals.
It only took three years!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50587849628_6ed46ab909_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k5gXeW)Wingnut Wings 1/32 RFC Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2k5gXeW) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Thanks to some health and work issues - coincidental with but not due to COVID - my modelling mojo took a hit a few months back, but after bingewatching a bunch of WW1 aviation clips on YouTube the Pup found its way back to the bench. Next step is masking and painting the underside PC10 edging, then mounting the top wing. I'm more nervous about doing the paint!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: mgunns on November 19, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
Hope all goes well health wise, what you have done so far is truly noteworthy, the rigging of the tail skid especially.  Quite the project and it was interesting to see all the old familiar names going back to 2017.  Looking forward to a stellar MOJO return and further progress.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Alexis on November 20, 2020, 12:12:52 AM
Progress is progress and I must say that your Pup is shaping up nicely so far . Really like the wood effect on the struts and the cockpit decking .

Best of health


Terri
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on November 20, 2020, 12:34:10 AM
It is good to see you back on this Beauty! Like the others I Hope You are Well!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on January 24, 2022, 05:00:37 AM
With my recent SPAD windfall (thank you Roden and the forum!) I've found myself working on my second-ever 1/32 biplane...all while my first languishes in a box!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51838514096_00ae20f702_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYMWdq)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2mYMWdq) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839250595_69e247ba76_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mYRH9F)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2mYRH9F) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

As I'm feeling a little guilt, but also a lot of motivation, the Pup now joins the SPAD in its rightful place in my work queue. Keep your eyes peeled for Pup progress!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on January 24, 2022, 07:58:23 AM
I am looking forward to seeing you back on this one, again !
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on January 24, 2022, 12:13:56 PM
As am I! The cabanes need a little straightening as does the tailskid, but on first impression she looks to have endured storage well. Thank goodness!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: gbrivio on January 24, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
Wishing you a quick and effective solution to health issues, is good to see you coming back to this one. I have plenty of old started builds from ages, abandoned in boxes and cabinets, even collecting dust in open air and know too much well the feelings these give. What to say but good luck and have fun?
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on January 25, 2022, 04:19:49 AM
Wishing you a quick and effective solution to health issues
Thank you, Giuseppe. Thanks to my general practioner and a wonderful counsellor - and a CPAP machine - over the past three months I've felt like I'm a new man! Energy and modelling mojo up the wazoo!  ;D

I have plenty of old started builds from ages, abandoned in boxes and cabinets, even collecting dust in open air and know too much well the feelings these give.
Of my stash I honestly believe maybe 25% are actually unstarted kits!!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on February 02, 2022, 05:38:21 AM
Upon reassessment I realised the silly reason the Pup has sat neglected for so long: I'd run out of masking tape at the time and had been unable to do the underside edges of the wings! That's now well underway and I'm happy:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51856650496_4405824a2b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n1oTwY)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2n1oTwY) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51856979429_a18774cb16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n1qzje)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2n1qzje) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Well, kinda. My poor luck with Tamiya colours has struck again as, even though I'm still using the kit-recommended Tamya XF-62 Olive Drab to represent PC10 early there's a discrepancy between what was applied all those years ago and what went on this week:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51856979404_a2997d181e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n1qziN)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2n1qziN) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

And it's not down to the clear coats changing the shade, as this touch-up shows:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51856735323_43c6f05d70_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n1pjKv)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2n1pjKv) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

So I'll bite the bullet and repaint the wings but leave the empennage and fuselage as they're all decaled and sealed. I plan to do the extra edging today  :)
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 02, 2022, 09:27:24 AM
Progress - the gun is on!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51975040427_a7cfb52ac5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nbREJF)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2nbREJF) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

I'm waiting for paint to dry to allow me to touch-up the struts where they were attached to the sprues, and will then tackle attaching them and the top wing.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 02, 2022, 11:52:45 AM
Great to see you progressing on your Pup Zac! Looking good.
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Rookie on April 02, 2022, 07:57:27 PM
I'm sure you Pup will shape up Nicely Zac!

It's a bummer though to see that the same paint looks so different after three years. Did you use a new pot, or is it the same one you used three years ago?

Willem
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 03, 2022, 07:09:53 AM
It's a bummer though to see that the same paint looks so different after three years. Did you use a new pot, or is it the same one you used three years ago?
A small number of Tamiya green paints seem to change hue as you get closer to the bottom. It's a problem I've only noticed over the last few years (I've never had any problems with the brand until this) and only with certain greens. I was happy to repaint them and, as I said, in the Real World they'd chop and change as needed so I have a legitimate excuse!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 03, 2022, 10:57:15 AM
Progress, and less painful than I feared!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51978253376_22c6c227a2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nc98Qm)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2nc98Qm) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Did I attach the top ailerons first, forgetting that the roundels needed to go onto the wing, and then took them off again? Maybe...
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: FAf on April 03, 2022, 03:36:15 PM
Looking good, Zac!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 03, 2022, 10:41:14 PM
You are a Modeler on fire Zac! The wing painting looks great , especially mounted in place. I have done the very same procedure with WNW ailerons Myself  :o
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 05, 2022, 04:03:56 AM
Thanks gents!

Did I attach the rudder, realise I'd forgotten the horn piece and put it back on again? Maybe...!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51982641929_aede182851_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ncwCp4)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ncwCp4) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Very annoyed at myself for leaving green thumbprints on the rudder. That will be interesting to fix.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 05, 2022, 04:11:53 AM
Your Pup is looking Fantastic Zac! Again as to the rudder control, Been thre Done that  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Alexis on April 05, 2022, 07:51:55 AM
Now that is starting to look like a bi-plane! Was getting worried for a mounted  ;)


Alexis
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: kensar on April 05, 2022, 09:47:47 PM
Lookin' like a Pup now!
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 06, 2022, 03:50:06 AM
Thank you all! It's a relief to learn that other builders weren't misleading me: putting the top wing on really is as easy as everyone says. If only I'd overcome my fears and buckled down into the build sooner so I could have bought the other WNW kits I really wanted...

Was getting worried for a mounted  ;)
I always worry about using that term, especially around my wife! She already gives me strife about me doing my modelling "on the catwalk, on the catwalk, yeah?"  :o ;D
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Bughunter on April 06, 2022, 06:27:07 AM
You are a Modeler on fire Zac!
Exactly my thought!
How many models do you build in parallel? As many paint shades as on your cutting mat? (https://www.modellboard.net/Smileys/Modellboard/ziel.gif)

But I must admit the Pup looks nice, like a Pup!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Rookie on April 06, 2022, 06:59:00 PM

- Did I attach the rudder, realise I'd forgotten the horn piece and put it back on again? Maybe...!

- Very annoyed at myself for leaving green thumbprints on the rudder. That will be interesting to fix.

Well, I'm sure you will be able to fix this. I know you are making great progress Zac!

Willem
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 07, 2022, 10:09:10 AM
How many models do you build in parallel?
I refuse to answer on the grounds my answer may be incriminating  ;D But you've got to have something to keep you busy while paint/putty/glue dries, right?

But I must admit the Pup looks nice, like a Pup!
Funnily enough that's what I was hoping for!  ;)

Well, I'm sure you will be able to fix this.
Thank you for the vote of confidence, Willem! I think some spare white decal should do the trick...
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 13, 2022, 04:04:18 AM
There's that green issue again:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51995699871_8d8a1004bb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ndFy4Z)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ndFy4Z) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

But with a matt coat it looks a bit better. Anyway, some real progress! (apologies for the lighting, it's 0603hr here and I'm about to head to work):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52000424929_8bb251cf8d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ne6LEv)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ne6LEv) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51999153802_fca46c58e6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ndZfNw)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ndZfNw) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52000228708_be9fd4b804_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ne5Lko)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ne5Lko) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: gedmundson on April 13, 2022, 04:35:26 AM
That's really taking shape nicely, Zac!You are sure wetting my appetite to start a WnW Pup.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Rookie on April 13, 2022, 05:25:37 AM
Hey Zac, you're doing just fine. I wouldn't worry to much about "The Green Issue".

I think she's looking great already!

Willem
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 13, 2022, 09:39:21 AM
Your Pup is looking Good Zac! One thing I must say is that color differences aside, I CAN"T Hand Paint Tamiya colors and I respect anyone who is successful as you are!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 14, 2022, 03:49:17 AM
Thank you for your kind words folks! Easter in NZ normally means a big airshow (unfortunately COVID has put paid to that), but this year for me it means a Pup Rigging Party!

Hey Zac, you're doing just fine. I wouldn't worry to much about "The Green Issue".
Me too - I enter no competitions, if it looks alright to me then it's alright!  :D

One thing I must say is that color differences aside, I CAN"T Hand Paint Tamiya colors and I respect anyone who is successful as you are!
RAGIII
Thank you Rick! I know some people won't touch Tamiya paints with a ten-foot brush but when Dad first let me build a model at age five or six Tamiya was what he used, and so for me. 19yr later I seem to be doing okay  ;)
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Alexis on April 16, 2022, 08:55:56 PM
Thumbs up Zac !

Really makes want to pull out the Eduard kit and give it a go . Really nice work so far  :)


Alexis
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 17, 2022, 10:02:40 AM
"Rigging a Great War aeroplane is a journey of a thousand steps that must start somewhere." - ancient Chinese modelling proverb.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52009227183_cf593a298d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2neSTgv)Wingmut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2neSTgv) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 17, 2022, 03:48:57 PM
Is progress progressing? Yes. Did I mix up the front and rear interplane struts on the port side despite having thought I'd been careful? Also yes.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52010246930_0ab4753d94_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2neY7pm)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2neY7pm) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52010246935_6859c43ae7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2neY7pr)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2neY7pr) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Rookie on April 17, 2022, 07:25:14 PM
Nice to see you started on the rigging.

You are doing a great job Zac.

Keep cool, and it will be fine.

Willem
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: macsporran on April 17, 2022, 09:31:35 PM
Great progress, Zac,

...... but why have you painted a nun as pilot for the red sprue model (Dr.I, Alb?) underneath?
Sandy
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 18, 2022, 05:03:21 AM
Excellent Start to the rigging Zac. I am not sure yet but I think I may have done something similar to the Interplane Struts on the McCudden SE  :-[
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 18, 2022, 06:06:03 AM
Keep cool, and it will be fine.
I keep telling myself: "You're building this model for you - if you're happy, that's all that matters."

...... but why have you painted a nun as pilot for the red sprue model (Dr.I, Alb?) underneath?
;D Figure painting is not my forte! It's the beginnings of a friend who made his WW1 display debut in a Dr.I replica last year, I'm working on a diorama of his display dogfighting a Sopwith Triplane replica. Still need to track down a kit for the Tripehound but the Revell Dr.I is progressing nicely.

I am not sure yet but I think I may have done something similar to the Interplane Struts on the McCudden SE  :-[
That helps me feel better, Rick - nice to know I'm not alone in making such a silly mistake! At least it didn't interfere at all with the fit.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 25, 2022, 07:03:29 AM
I ended up doing a lot of rigging last weekend and into last night, long past sunset in fact! For those concerned at glue blotches or nasty tags - don't worry, touch-ups will follow as and where appropriate (bearing in mind my paint-matching issue). I think I'll try the double wires but am not worried if I can't get it done - this is essentially Big Rigging 101 for me rather than aiming for perfection.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52024411592_3c98afed3e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngdH4E)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ngdH4E) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52027769845_3325b0fdbf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngvVmz)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ngvVmz) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52026212837_940ea27143_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngnWvB)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ngnWvB) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52027294418_1ed30511b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngtu2y)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ngtu2y) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Unfortunately a couple of areas will need redoing:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52027769860_bd733e0afe_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngvVmQ)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2ngvVmQ) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

Today is Anzac Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_Day) and in a couple of hours the Air Force Heritage Flight of New Zealand (Facebook link (https://www.facebook.com/AirForceHeritageFlightNZ)) will be doing a flypast with my locally-based Spitfire IX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/albums/72157718637274506) and Grumman Avenger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/albums/72177720298364919) along with a pair of serving T-6C Texan IIs - it'll be nice to have some real aeroplanes to look at and hear, even if for just a few minutes.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 25, 2022, 10:57:58 PM
The rigging is really looking great Zac. Keep on Plugging away!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: lone modeller on April 26, 2022, 05:57:44 AM
I have not dropped by for a while Zac: the rigging looks fine to me - despite the problems. Double wires are the bain of any serious WW1 modeller - but most non WW1 modellers do not know about them so I would not be too concerned if you leave them as singles!

Stephen.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 26, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
Thanks folks! And thanks Stephen - I mentioned the double wires to my wife and she looked as much like this  :o as I've seen any human!!

Yesterday's trip to the airport (https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzLXaY) ended up being more than I expected so bench time never eventuated...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52028176499_3ea080e9cf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ngy1eR)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2ngy1eR) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Alexis on April 26, 2022, 09:25:27 AM
Rigging is coming along well Zac . One step closer on getting this beauty done


Alexis
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 29, 2022, 07:02:47 AM
It's not pretty, and there were weird issues with the same tube of CA taking different times to dry, and some fogging on the paint (see: previous paint match issues) which have been a bit demoralising, but the Pup is rigged!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52035488477_4296e03697_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nhctQr)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2nhctQr) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52035488487_61ec85a746_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nhctQB)Wingnut Wings 1/32 Sopwith Pup (https://flic.kr/p/2nhctQB) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacyates/), on Flickr

In hindsight I should've picked up a cheap Academy 1/32 biplane to rig in preparation for this kit (sent as a gift by a good friend before WNW's demise), but I've made this bed and shall lie in it. Good experience for future models  :)

Next step will be to mount the engine and cowl (some fine trimming required of one cabane strut's base) and then the wing roundels. I'll leave painting the rigging and the touchups around same for last.
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: Rookie on April 29, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
The finishline is in sight now Zac.

I'm sure you are able to sort out the last problems.

I think she looks great!

Willem
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: RAGIII on April 29, 2022, 09:53:30 PM
Really nice looking rigging Zac! Your Pup will look great once the final steps are complete!
RAGIII
Title: Re: My First WNW: the RFC Pup
Post by: KiwiZac on April 30, 2022, 06:21:06 AM
Thanks for your kind words gents  :)