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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: RLWP on May 22, 2017, 06:34:28 AM
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As my Parasol comes to completion, I'm looking to my next project. I have been thinking about the different Nieuports, and hovering between a 17 based on the Academy kit, a scratch built 12 or a similar 10
Then I found this:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos/012_Nieuport10.jpg)
She is a Nieuport X Monoplan of Escadrille 12. How cool is that!
There are some lovely photos on the Escadrille site, including more photos of Parasols than I thought possible: http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Page_Insignes_SHD_Homologues.htm
So, I'm planning to build a Nieuport X monoplan, but I can't find a drawing. Can anyone help?
Richard
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Cool? It's chilling!
Popcorn at the ready!
von B :)
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Pulling up my chair also. Looking forward to your next build.
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I'm still looking for a drawing if possible. I can find several for the earlier aeroplanes - the IV and the II for instance. All I have for the 50hp Monoplan are drawings of the racer
Otherwise I'll have to make it up based on the XB, the earlier 'planes and some basic dimensions
Can anyone help?
Richard
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I think I may have found a drawing: https://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/nieuportflotteurs.pdf
Page 12
Reading through that PDF, I'm a bit confused about engine types, mine is getting a seven cylinder Gnome Omega. I wonder where that drawing came from originally?
Richard
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Sorry Richard that I cannot help you with the drawings: these lesser known types are sometimes difficult to find information on so you have to use your imagination and a certain amount of license. Never mind - who is going to challenge you and prove you wrong?
I too have pulled up my chair and will be keeping an eye on progress - if it is anything like your current build it is going to be a stunner.
Stephen.
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I think I'm going to have to take whatever seems closest, compare to photos and make some drawings
I may pop that blue and white SPA 12 pennant on the side. I'm not sure about cockades and rudder bars though. I believe the French started using them in 1912, which means the 'plane should be carrying them
Richard
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Richard,
I will flick through French Aircraft of the First World Warand see if I can come up with any tidbits ;)
Von Noop
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Richard,
I will flick through French Aircraft of the First World Warand see if I can come up with any tidbits ;)
Von Noop
You are a star - you probably already know that
I have been trawling through Flight magazine for 1912-1914, and if I wanted a drawing for a B.E.2A, a Flanders monoplane or a dozen more obscure 'planes, they are all in there. Nieuport seem to have managed to escape, apart from some stuff on sporting monoplanes
Richard
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Perhaps I will do better with l'Aerophile: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6551968s/f38.item
Richard
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No luck there, Flugsport next: http://www.luftfahrt-bibliothek.de/zeitschrift-flugsport-oskar-ursinus-luftsport-luftfahrt-luftverkehr/luftsport-luftfahrt-luftverkehr-flugsport-1912/zeitschrift-flugsport-1912-luftsport-luftverkehr-luftfahrt.htm
Richard
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Well, what have I learned? Flugsport has more technical details, L'Aerophile has a lot more lighter than air machines. And a great many more pretty ladies in hats
There is a strong thread of making 'model' aeroplanes in both magazines. These are flying models, not our representations of historic machines
And no Nieuport X
Richard
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Richard, I always thought the Nieuport X and the Nieuport 10 were one in the same, and according to some sources, they are. However, this popped up on a quick search.
http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft28695.htm
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/nieuport.html
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Bud
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This might be of some help, Sir....
https://books.google.com/books?id=FRhaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=nieuport+x+armored&source=bl&ots=Y4n7olzjO6&sig=21CVdUDbgpoPbfP6dSx3kGv4wT8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5vpjskIXUAhUk0oMKHfvOCQYQ6AEIRTAJ#v=onepage&q=nieuport%20x%20armored&f=false
Scroll down a little, it will open on a Clement-Bayard type, but right below it is a Nieuport Blinde....
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This looks like the same beastie too, Sir...
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/French%20Monoplane%20of%20Nieuport%20design%20WWI_zpskcahsiwo.jpg)
Found it here, but not much other help there....
http://www.digitalhistoryproject.com/2012/06/world-war-i-airplanes-zeppelins.html
By the way, the motor almost certainly would be a 14 cylinder twin-row Gnome, of 140/160 horsepower.
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Richard, I always thought the Nieuport X and the Nieuport 10 were one in the same, and according to some sources, they are. However, this popped up on a quick search.
http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft28695.htm
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/nieuport.html
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Bud
Hi Bud, there's a lot to these early aeroplanes. As I understand it, the Nieuport X is a monoplane, The XB is a biplane (hence the B) which became the Nieuport 10
This might be of some help, Sir....
https://books.google.com/books?id=FRhaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=nieuport+x+armored&source=bl&ots=Y4n7olzjO6&sig=21CVdUDbgpoPbfP6dSx3kGv4wT8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5vpjskIXUAhUk0oMKHfvOCQYQ6AEIRTAJ#v=onepage&q=nieuport%20x%20armored&f=false
Scroll down a little, it will open on a Clement-Bayard type, but right below it is a Nieuport Blinde....
That's annoying, I can't get that to work. I only came across the Blinde yesterday evening in L'aerophile. Is there a drawing in that book? I'm planning to model an aeroplane with the front engine mount between the propeller an the engine, so the Blinde is out - can't see the engine!This looks like the same beastie too, Sir...
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/French%20Monoplane%20of%20Nieuport%20design%20WWI_zpskcahsiwo.jpg)
Found it here, but not much other help there....
http://www.digitalhistoryproject.com/2012/06/world-war-i-airplanes-zeppelins.html
By the way, the motor almost certainly would be a 14 cylinder twin-row Gnome, of 140/160 horsepower.
Yes, that is a handy view giving some of the detail behind the rear seat. It's either an X or a IV, I can't the the rounded cowl over the top of the Gnome in that view
I'm getting the engine type (Gnome Omega) from the Windsock Datafile 68 (Nieuport 10~12). Bruce has it listed as an 80hp rotary. And I notice I have been looking for a 50HP, which is correct for earlier aeroplanes. My mistake. As it happens, I have ordered two Gnome Omegas from WNW, so I can make a Gnome Omega Omega if I need
I'm wondering if I should build a Nieuport-IV instead. I have much more info on that aeroplane!
Thanks for your help guys, I'm very open to this sort of assistance
Richard
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Oh, I forgot - Is that version of the Blinde the one with an enormous disk on the front, or one with a set of horizontal shutters?
Richard
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Got it - that's the one with the disk:
(https://ia802307.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/33/items/aeronautics1517aero/aeronautics1517aero_jp2.zip&file=aeronautics1517aero_jp2/aeronautics1517aero_0202.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0)
https://archive.org/stream/aeronautics1517aero#page/68/mode/2up page 68
That's another great resource, thank you
The X would have come out in 1914, I wonder if it is in that volume?
Richard
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And here is the 50hp single seater from the same magazine:
(https://ia802307.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/33/items/aeronautics1517aero/aeronautics1517aero_jp2.zip&file=aeronautics1517aero_jp2/aeronautics1517aero_0219.jp2&scale=4&rotate=0)
https://ia802307.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/33/items/aeronautics1517aero/aeronautics1517aero_jp2.zip&file=aeronautics1517aero_jp2/aeronautics1517aero_0219.jp2&scale=4&rotate=0
I need to work out what it is I am looking for - again!
Richard
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Richard,
I will flick through French Aircraft of the First World Warand see if I can come up with any tidbits ;)
Von Noop
You are a star - you probably already know that
I have been trawling through Flight magazine for 1912-1914, and if I wanted a drawing for a B.E.2A, a Flanders monoplane or a dozen more obscure 'planes, they are all in there. Nieuport seem to have managed to escape, apart from some stuff on sporting monoplanes
Richard
Richard,
French Aircraft of the First World War produced 0% information... which I find surprising considering the size and depth of such a tome.
Good luck!
Von B
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The picture of the Nieuport with Esc. C12 that you say you want to do is captioned with a note saying the motor is 160hp, which would certainly be the doubled Gnome. The machine in the picture I posted I am pretty sure is the 'flat front' example, the same as the one in the Albin Denis pictures. Here is another picture, from the front, with some caption information:
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/Screenshot%20164_zpsdffshn9y.png)
The caption information is from 'Flight' in 1914, but I do nt know the isue. It is take from one of the Russian 'pirate' sites.
I found a better example of that drawing:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060217031514/http://mars.ark.com:80/~mdf/N_6d.html
It identifies the drawing as depicting the first of three armored Nieuport monoplanes. It seems that in this version, the observer sat under cover, and looked out an opening to starboard. It notes the fuselage was wider than the usual, and this probably continued through the various versions.
The one that actually made it to an escadrille would doubtless be the third, and had a conventional seating arrangement.
The French air service underwent a change in command not long before the war, and the new chief wanted armored aircraft. Manufacturers attempted to oblige, and a number of 'one-offs' resulted. The weight required higher power motors, and so the twin-row Gnome was often featured. It was a wretched engine, mind, very prone to throwing cylinders and needed extensive maintenance. But it was often featured in racers, and also often used in prototypes undergoing trials, as part of the scoring was speed, which when the thing wa working, it could certainly provide by brute force.
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Here is a screen-shot from lower down on the Albin Denis escadrille page, profiles of a sraight N.IV and of the 'Blinde' Nieuport....
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/Screenshot%20165_zps8yx2xp1a.png)
The side by side comparison is interesting. This final armored Nieuport preserves the forward position of the wing seen in the drawing of the first armored Nieuport above. It looks like the fuselage is a bit longer than the original, as well, and both these things suggest alterations to preserve a proper center of gravity and lift. The bulges at the side of the motor do not appear on the head-on photograph from Flight, which pretty well pegs this as the third armored Nieuport. The bulges are probably an attempt to improve cooling, rather than a concession to motor diameter. The rear bank of the twin-row Gnome was particularly prone to uneven cooling of the cylinders (the side leading in rotation cooling better than the side trailing, which led to cracks and then to fragmentation).
Markings seem to be standard, with 1 meter roundels under the wings. Probably there should be a 'charge maxim' note somewhere, but this may have been rushed out from the factory to the unit without trials. There were numerous irregularities at this time.
There would not have been an escadrille emblem marked this early in the war.
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Hmm. It seems to me, I have assumed that the picture I found was of an aeroplane somewhat similar to a monoplane version of the XB. So, and aeroplane with a wider wing span and possibly chord than the biplane, but still having the same engine installation
I'm not committed to building an armoured aeroplane as that isn't what I thought I had found. I'm wondering if what I want to build is actually a Nieuport IV
This is a fascinating area to dip into
Richard
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I found here some photos and drawings of Nieuport IV and Nieuport X, but they are from the Russian service.
http://www.mmpbooks.biz/ksiazki/274
Adam.
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I found here some photos and drawings of Nieuport IV and Nieuport X, but they are from the Russian service.
http://www.mmpbooks.biz/ksiazki/274
Adam.
I think you have to be careful with the Russian aeroplanes. They are definitely Nieuports, the Russians seem to use designations that no one else did.
Are there are dimensions in that book? Wingspan, wing area and engine type would be interesting
Richard
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I found here some photos and drawings of Nieuport IV and Nieuport X, but they are from the Russian service.
http://www.mmpbooks.biz/ksiazki/274
Adam.
That looks like a great book, Sir! I will be on the look-out for it. The drawings of early Farmans alone are worth the price.
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That looks like a great book, Sir! I will be on the look-out for it. The drawings of early Farmans alone are worth the price.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=9788363678487&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t
Richard
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Hmm. It seems to me, I have assumed that the picture I found was of an aeroplane somewhat similar to a monoplane version of the XB. So, and aeroplane with a wider wing span and possibly chord than the biplane, but still having the same engine installation
I'm not committed to building an armoured aeroplane as that isn't what I thought I had found. I'm wondering if what I want to build is actually a Nieuport IV
This is a fascinating area to dip into
Richard
Just sharing what I found, Sir. The aeroplane in the photograph which piqued your interest is definitely an armored machine. Some years ago I did a scratch-build of Breguet's original AG-4, which was a design he built as part of the armored program, so I necessarily found out a bit about the matter, and am alert to its manifestations. In February, 1914, the French air service got a new leader, a Gen. Bernard, who thought aeroplanes should be armored. A number of attempts were made, and in early June, there was a display of prototypes by several manufacturers at Villacoubley. Since it really wasn't practical, given the state of the aeronautic art at the time, it was wasted effort. A few single examples were briefly used in the early weeks of the war, and that was all.
A standard type Nieuport monoplane would certainly be easier to research, and make an excellent subject for a build. Those got around, being used in many places. One subject I have kicked around taking a run at is the float-plane examples used in the eastern Mediterranean early on.
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I very much appreciate your sharing what you have found, it does help to have someone who has blundered through this minefield before
I'm surprised that the XB wasn't armoured when the X was, but then as these are very early aeroplanes ideas were not fully formed. My digging through digital magazines from 1912 show some very improbable aeroplanes actually flying
I'm veering towards a Nieuport IV or VI, and yes, a floatplane does look interesting.
I have also learned that there were several types of seven cylinder Gnome: https://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/La_Societe_des_Moteurs_Gnome.pdf
Richard
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OK, having dithered about loking for Nieuport X monoplanes, I'm being drawn to the Nieuport VI hydravions N1 and N2 used for reconnaissance around the Dardanelles
(http://www.aeronavale.org/almana/13%20LaFoudreVillefanche%20Nieuport%20Delage.jpg)
http://www.aeronavale.org/almana/debut%20avia%20maritime.htm
It puts them in the same theatre as my Parasol, and I think I have drawings for them
Have I got their identification right this time?
Richard
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Oh heck...
(http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/nieuport_X_01_1000.jpg)
Nieuport X?
(http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/nieuport_X_02_750.jpg)
Nieuport X?
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/nieuport.html
If I hadn't poked around this so much, I'd say the first was a VI-H and the second an X-H
Richard
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What is confusing me is the pylon above the cockpit. There are two types, one has four struts in a pyramid. The other has an extra strut along the top making a ridge, a bit like a tent
I think... the 'pyramid' is used on the X and some of the earlier types. The 'tent' seems to be on the IV and VI
I'm surprised how long the X hydravion was in service, it seems to have lasted into 1916. It also seems to have started out with the Clerget 7Y, moving onto Clerget 9A and 9B engines
Richard
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Whatever the designation these look very interesting machines and ideal subjects for a scratch build. I am having to be careful boot to add one of these to my (growing) list!
Stephen.
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Davilla and Soltan have a good deal of material on the 6H. I should be able to get it scanned for you this evening. One picture shows service markings at Port Said clearly. The 'pyramid' cabane seems to be the standard at the time. Most 'trestle' pictures resolve into a fitting for lifting by crane, but there do seem to have been some with a 'trestle' cabane. But if you want a service example in the Near East, 'pyramid' seems the way to go....
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Davilla and Soltan have a good deal of material on the 6H. I should be able to get it scanned for you this evening. One picture shows service markings at Port Said clearly. The 'pyramid' cabane seems to be the standard at the time. Most 'trestle' pictures resolve into a fitting for lifting by crane, but there do seem to have been some with a 'trestle' cabane. But if you want a service example in the Near East, 'pyramid' seems the way to go....
That sounds encouraging. The pyramid makes more sense as it is a stable structure to take the rigging and wing warping wires
Richard
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Well, after a lot of digging, thinking and valuable encouragement and support from 'Old Man', I'm reasonably sure this is a Nieuport X hydroplane:
(http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/nieuport_X_02_750.jpg)
There is a drawing on page 12 of this: https://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/nieuportflotteurs.pdf and that's what I'm using as a start point
Scaling that drawing up to a 12.5 metre wingspan (Jane's Fighting Aeroplanes of WW1, page 119) gives a fuselage width that seems to be far too wide - I'm expecting it to come out just a bit over 1 metre
So, I'm going to have to do a bit of drawing first
I'm taking the float dimensions from this Flugsport drawing of what I think is a VI-H:
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/1/2/1/5/2/a6889625-4-Nieuport_4H_1913_2.jpg)
There are some other useful details on that webpage too: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2195640-Nieuport-IV
I have two WNW Gnome Omega engines, and have ordered a Vector Clerget 9. That gives me the possibility of a 7 cylinder Gnome Omega, a 14 cylinder Gnome Omega Omega or a 9 cylinder Clerget
I'm back on track!
Richard
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Looking forward to seeing this one being constructed. It is a completely new type to me - all the more interesting.
Stephen.
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Well, here goes.
I've made a drawing:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/planning-1.JPG)
No guarantee that it is correct, it is roughly the right size and has the right features. My drawing is enough to make the fuselage and the wings. I'll scale down the Empennage drawing on the scanner printer, it's near enough right
Richard
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Richard, I'm sorry I'm not answering yet, but lately I did not have much free time.
In this book are the drawings of these Nieuports, but they concern the painting done on the basis of the photographs of the originals. They show the painting of individual Russian squadrons. In general the book describes the history of Russian aviation during the Great War, here is a description of individual squadrons and their planes.
For me personally, this is a very interesting book, because during this war many Poles served in Russian aviation, Polish squadrons were formed at the end of the war, many Poles after the revolution escaped to polish aviation, so this is a very interesting book for me.
Adam.
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No problem, Adam
Richard
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I found another drawing:
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/5/1/7/0/a5208056-27-Nieuport_4G_70hp.jpg)
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22918078&postcount=6
As it says, probably a 4G. I've been looking for some construction details, and I'm going to steal them from this IV and use them on my X. And anyone who can prove I'm wrong is welcome
Nieuport seem to have used quite a bit of steel tube, either round or squashed into an oval. To fit the wings to the fuselage, the end of the spars were made cylindrical and fitted into a tube that went across the fuselage. this tube appears to have been welded into an oval tube that joins the upper and lower longerons aligned with the undercarriage struts.
So I've done the same:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuselage-1.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuselage-2.JPG)
I wasn't expecting to have to sort out the undercarriage quite so soon
Richard
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Wow that is a super start. The drawings look very good too, especially given the date.
Stephen.
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Progress:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/fuselage-3.JPG)
Dummy frames to the rear, styrene strip and brass where they are visible.
One of the copper bracing wires has come adrift!
Richard
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It's nice to see a modeller happy in his work ;)
:)
vB
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Again a great start. Looks really promising.
Borsos
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Great start to what I am sure will be another beauty. Looking forward to your progress.
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You have made an excellent start Richard, I will be following your build with great interest.
Des.
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You're off to a brilliant start, Richard. This is going to be an exciting build to follow.
Cheers,
Bud
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Excellent start, Sir.
Glad to see you off the mark so quickly.
Those RC fellows are an excellent resource, I often find myself on that site when looking for information on favorite oddities from the 'Golden Age' and earlier.
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Excellent start, Sir.
Glad to see you off the mark so quickly.
Those RC fellows are an excellent resource, I often find myself on that site when looking for information on favorite oddities from the 'Golden Age' and earlier.
Thank you
I was getting worried about you, you seemed to have disappeared for a while
No progress tonight, I have been out with friends, drinking beer and setting the world to rights
Richard
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Thank you
I was getting worried about you, you seemed to have disappeared for a while
No progress tonight, I have been out with friends, drinking beer and setting the world to rights
Richard
Been working on another scratch-build project, but OT for here: a pair of Fairey Flycatchers.
Strongly doubt the world can be set right anymore, but it was a hot day here yesterday, and I did allow myself a beer....
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Thank you
I was getting worried about you, you seemed to have disappeared for a while
No progress tonight, I have been out with friends, drinking beer and setting the world to rights
Richard
Been working on another scratch-build project, but OT for here: a pair of Fairey Flycatchers.
Strongly doubt the world can be set right anymore, but it was a hot day here yesterday, and I did allow myself a beer....
I tend to agree (an age thing perhaps?? ;)) however a cold beer at the end of a long day, hot especially, does help! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Bearing in mind the amount of beer drunk, the world seemed a much better place by the end of the evening. Good beer and good company has that effect
Richard
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I have had some lovely photos of a Nieuport IV courtesy of the Swedish Air Force museum.
Richard
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I need some advice from old hands
Whilst waiting for a few more photos from Sweden, I'm working on the floats. I've cut a balsa blank for this and I'm sanding it to shape
Now, I was thinking of vac-forming a skin for each float. It's a bit tricky because of the various curves
Is there some way of treating the balsa so it is hard enough to avoid dents, and so I can paint and glue things to it?
Richard
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I've not tried it, but have seen people coat the balsa with thin ca mixed with talc then sand it smooth when dry.
Ian
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I've had a change of plan. The float isn't as complicated as I thought, just the nose. All the faces have a single curvature, it looks like it had a beaten metal nosecone
So, I've shaped them and coated them with clear sealant. When that is dry I'll clad them in styrene held on with tape - much like Harry Woodman makes wings. I can make the nosecone by adding styrene and filing the corners round
Thanks Ian
Richard
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-1.JPG)
Balsa wood, shaped from paper templates, sealed with lacquer then clad in 0.010" styrene sheet. The sheet is stuck to the balsa with double sided tape, and the joints glued.
Some of the liquid poly got under the styrene causing distortion, so the grey stuff is filler
This is two floats being made end to end. It gives me a bigger bit of balsa to hold when shaping, I'll saw it in half soon. Next step is adding bits of strip to smarten it up, and forming the nosecone with it's characteristic 'wings'
Richard
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You are a Scratch building MACHINE! The best part is you are FAST and do Beautiful work all at the same time!!
RAGIII
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I have said before, I find scratch building much quicker and easier than kits. My problem with kits is, as soon as I have one, I find an example of the prototype to build, then a set of plans, then compare the kit to it. Inevitably (because of the examples I choose) I end up cutting bits off, making good, adding bits and so on. It takes time and a lot of thinking
Scratchbuilding, I only have to make it once
The top surface of the floats are done:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-2.JPG)
Richard
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Another very impressive project and you've got a fascinating attitude towards scratch building. I am far away from finding scratch building simpler then kits, but the few times I did a scratch build it always was something special for me that gave me that certain feeling of "yes, that was you who did that"...
I am very keen on all the interesting "un-kited" airplanes you are going to show us. Your work is a great motivator to take again some plastic sheet and balsa wood.
Borsos
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More stuff on floats
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-3.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-4.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-5.JPG)
Richard
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Floaty McFloatFace ;D
vB
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Excellent work on the floats Richard.
Des.
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Thank you both
I've added the 'wings' to the front of the floats:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-6.JPG)
There seems to have been a lot going on at the time around how to get floats to unstick from water. That's what those saw teeth along the bottom are for, they look similar to stepped hulls on hydrofoils which started to appear around the same time as the early Nieuport hydros. I think The wings at the front are to stop the nose of the float driving through waves. Instead the wing would lift the float up and over a wave
The modelled wings are similar to what Delage designed. I think they should probably be curved along their length, and be swept up, or maybe down, at the tips
Anyway, they'll do. The nose of that float needs a bit of tidying up
Richard
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A bit more. This is the jig to hold the landing gear in shape:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-7.JPG)
I can use it to drill the floats later
So far, I've made eight brackets:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-8.JPG)
Richard
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Excellent work on the floats! This one is shaping up to be another outstanding build !
RAGIII
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Very interesting jig and first class clips for the floats. There is so much more detail to add to the larger scale models and you are a master of it all.
Stephen.
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Very interesting jig and first class clips for the floats. There is so much more detail to add to the larger scale models and you are a master of it all.
Stephen.
I'm not, you know. I'm the Grand Illusionist
Richard
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This is the first job for the jig, putting in the bottom bar that is common to the hydros and the land planes:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-9.JPG)
Next off is to add these bits to the jig to make the front and rear legs:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-10.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-11.JPG)
Richard
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Richard,
That's some very impressive "Jig" work you have going there, I envy your soldering skills! This is re-kindling my resolve to add this option to my building approach as my only efforts to date have been small efforts with simple additions/replacements with brass and CA, not ideal. I'll be following your progress closely.......
Cheers,
Lance
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Richard, what you are doing here is great art!
You know, I like soldering, and you do it in a very careful and clean way :thumbs up:
Cheers,
Bughunter
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You know, I like soldering, and you do it in a very careful and clean way
You learn to do that after years of burnt fingers, dry joints and frustration
;)
Richard
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More bits of squashed brass tube
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-12.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-13.JPG)
Four, or is it five, more struts to go
I have a bit of an assumption to make on this 'plane. On the earlier ones, with the pilot in the front, there was a rod running from in front of the pilots feet down to the rear, centre undercarriage struts. This rod was attached to the control stick, and had levers on the lower end attached to the wing warping wires
With the pilot in the rear seat in the X, this rod would be much too steep and doesn't work, so they did something else. Looking at the photos, I think they used cranks and wires in the same way as the Morane Saulnier Parasol
Richard
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Very impressive strut work for the floats Richard, your soldering is superb.
Des.
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I can only echoe what Des has written: superb soldering skills meet superb modelling skills.
Borsos
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I can only echoe what Des has written: superb soldering skills meet superb modelling skills.
Borsos
My sentiments exactly!
Cheers,
Bud
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I can only echoe what Des has written: superb soldering skills meet superb modelling skills.
Borsos
My sentiments exactly!
Cheers,
Bud
Add me to the list ;)
Excellent!
vB
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I can only echoe what Des has written: superb soldering skills meet superb modelling skills.
Borsos
My sentiments exactly!
Cheers,
Bud
Add me to the list ;)
Excellent!
vB
I guess one more won't hurt 8) Outstanding in every way!
RAGIII
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Right, the floats are fitted to the struts, and the fuselage balanced on top:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-14.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-15.JPG)
It's big!
Richard
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Outstanding Richard, words fail me... :D
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I really like the floats with struts, nice result!
Have you added enough weight to the front of the floats?
Cheers,
Frank
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I really like the floats with struts, nice result!
Have you added enough weight to the front of the floats?
Cheers,
Frank
I'm going to cheat!
I was tempted to try to do this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/nieuport_X_02_750.jpg)
However, I'm going to do this instead:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/nieuport_X_01_1000.jpg)
I really like that stand under the tail float, and I have some etched spoked wheels for the temporary trolley
That's a Nieuport VI at Port Said
Richard
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However you present the finished model it is going to look very good.
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen
The framework for the floats has had a few fiddly bits added, and a coat of paint:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-16.JPG)
This is a bit of imagineering:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-17.JPG)
The earlier 'planes do use a hinged plate like that for wing warping. It sits at the end of a rod coming diagonally down from the cockpit where it has the control stick attached to it. I can't find such a rod on a Nieuport X, and it would be tricky to make it work with the pilot in the rear seat. So I've invented something
I have also added the loops for the rigging wires:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Float-18.JPG)
The next tricky bit is the windshields. I started with a big lump of balsa wood:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-1.JPG)
Then started cutting away bits that didn't look like a Nieuport:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-2.JPG)
And this is where I am now:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-3.JPG)
More to do before this becomes a mould for vacuum forming
Richard
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Richard, I haven't found it nowhere in the thread, but I guess it's in 1/32 ( may be you can add this to title).
Because if it is 1/48 then you could use Small Stuff engines. They have a 14 cylinder Lambda-Lambda, Clerget and also Lambda and Omega engines.
Nice progress!
Scratch build is really called art, and the builder is the artist!
Cheers,
Frank
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Richard, I haven't found it nowhere in the thread, but I guess it's in 1/32 ( may be you can add this to title)
Cheers,
Frank
Done!
Richard
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Excellent progress, Sir!
Great to see this coming along so well.
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This is really making great progress. Especially the struts look spectacular!
Don't forget to sand the molds for vacuforming a little smaller then the desired part because of the thickness of the plastic material. And I think vacuforming would work even better if you'd drill a hole into the wood where the cockpit openings are. The plastic will have to be removed there anyway.
Just my ideas from my vacuforming experiences.
Borsos
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Well, I've been messing about with this damn lump of balsa long enough. I've sawn it, filed it, sanded it, painted it with Tippex, stuck lumps to it, smeared it with filler and sanded and sanded and sanded.
So I sawed it in half:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-4.JPG)
and vacuum formed two windshields:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-5.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-6.JPG)
The front one hasn't come out well, the pilot's one is OK
There is a lovely Nieuport IV-G in the Flygvapen museum in Sweden. I emailed them and Torsten Nilsson, Director of museum collections unit took some photos for me. I'm very grateful that he has done this for me. Judging by some of the photos I suspect he quite enjoyed doing it
This is the windshield on the IV-G:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Sweden-1.JPG)
I think it shows a double skin to the windshield, the outside being flared and the inside a flat curve. So that's what i have done
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-8.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-7.JPG)
The flat bit at the rear will get removed, it was convenient to stop the windshield spreading while I fitted the inner skin
Richard
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I didn't like the front moulding, so I bodged the former about a bit more and made a new one. More heat this time
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-9.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Windshield-10.JPG)
Richard
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Goodness me Richard,
That's incredible!
Guy
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Goodness me Richard,
That's incredible!
Guy
Yep, the boy has talent, I'll give him that :o ;)
vB :)
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As one who makes their own moulds too I have to write that those are as good as any I have see or made, nay they are even better! The struts also look spectacular - this is a first class scratch-build.
Stephen.
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As one who makes their own moulds too I have to write that those are as good as any I have see or made, nay they are even better! <snip>
Stephen.
It's a miracle of dodgy photography. I think they look terrible...
Richard
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They look pretty damn good from here....can I borrow your camera?
Ian
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Don't beat yourself up Richard, this is looking quite good. 8)
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Continuing to be OUTSTANDING! I don't know how you go back and do the interior work to such a high standard after assembly...but it works well for you !
RAGIII
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Continuing to be OUTSTANDING! I don't know how you go back and do the interior work to such a high standard after assembly...but it works well for you !
RAGIII
Partial assembly is the answer. I'll fit the interior into an open topped box, and if I can make sub assemblies to be dropped in, I do
And this is 1:32, so there's usually enough access
Richard
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Richard,
There's some real model building going on here, and the results are impressive to say the very least! Those cowling mouldings are spectacular and the strut assembly earlier has inspired me to pick up a small soldering iron and some supplies to experiment with the technique a bit. Hopefully I won't burn my place down or set myself aflame, or both.......... wish me luck!
I am really enjoying following this Build Log, keep up the great work!
Cheers,
Lance
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You won't do either of those things,Lance. If you are particularly clumsy you may burn the tip of your nose (yes, I've seen that done)
Richard
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You won't do either of those things,Lance. If you are particularly clumsy you may burn the tip of your nose (yes, I've seen that done)
Richard
Ha! Wait for it! As I always say, if the odds are 50/50 I'll lose 9 times out of 10! ??? :P
Cheers,
Lance
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Time to think about filling that empty box with aeroplane-like things before I fit the windshields
Down the bottom is the fuel tank. I don't have details for the X so I'm using details from the IV and rearranging them for a two seater
Here's the tank under the seat:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuel-tank-1.JPG)
Conveniently, it's about the same diameter as that pen:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuel-tank-2.JPG)
It just needs some hemispherical ends, so here is some pure Harry Woodman:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuel-tank-3.JPG)
Giving this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Fuel-tank-4.JPG)
I've tried the tank under the front seat, it doesn't work. So I'm putting it under the rear seat
Richard
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Good work, Sir.
Glad to you starting on the interior.
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Neat bit of moulding there. I always try to use short cuts when I can too - yours shows what can be done with a little imagination.
Stephen.
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Very well done Richard.
Des.
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Thanks all
I'm still working on this, I made a couple of seats yesterday. Today I checked them and they are too big
Today I started making a couple of seats....
Richard
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Right:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/seats.JPG)
Two new seats. The tank now has supports and leather straps. I'm not sure if the straps can be seen in the finished 'plane
Richard
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Brilliant work, Richard!
Cheers,
Bud
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Brilliant work, Richard!
Cheers,
Bud
Amazingly I agree completely with My Amigo Bud!
RAGIII
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A bit more on the seats:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/seats-2.JPG)
This is the rest of the tubular frame and the leather cover which seems to have been pulled down over the back
I've also made the front tank:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Front-tank-1.JPG)
That shape had me flummoxed as I couldn't work out how to make it in styrene, so I made one in balsa. Then painted it, it'll do
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Front-tank-2.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Front-tank-3.JPG)
A few more coats of paint and it will be fine
Richard
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You definitely possess extraordinary scratchbuilding skills, Richard, thanks for sharing your very inspirational work!
Cheers
Ondra
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You definitely possess extraordinary scratchbuilding skills, Richard, thanks for sharing your very inspirational work!
Cheers
Ondra
You make me blush
I think I sort of bodge stuff together and hope it works. There's always the hope that paint will make it look better in the end
Seriously, I've been making stuff all my life, so I naturally spend a lot of time thinking about how something will be made. I no longer realise that is what I am doing
Plus, I've made a lot of stuff that didn't work. Unfortunately, skills have to be hard won by a lot of disappointment
Thank you - especially you Ondra. I struggle to make things in 1:32 scale that you seem to make easily in 1:144.
Richard
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"Unfortunately, skills have to be hard won by a lot of disappointment"
That is so true. As one who does not like making mistakes I found that a very difficult lesson to learn, but it has been ultimately worth it. I think that many others probably have this problem too but the old adage: "The person who never made a mistake never made anything" is very true. Your skills are clearly the product of a great deal of practice and no doubt many mistakes, but the outcome is superb in every case. Super bodges!!
Stephen.
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Shaping up nicely, Sir.
"Sure I've learned from experience. I know hundreds of things that don't work."
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I'm getting a bit stuck with the interior as I seem to be inventing most of it. So, for a change, here is the lovely Vector 9 Clerget:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Engine-1.JPG)
Which, of course, wasn't meant to have the front bearing. So I've drilled it:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Engine-2.JPG)
so it can be mounted onto a rod:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Engine-3.JPG)
The fuselage has gained it's front mount too:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Engine-4.JPG)
Richard
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Splendid!
vB :o
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wow nice work. gotta respect a scratch builder. this is very similar to a nieuport 4 and 6 never seen a 10 in model form. i didnt realize they used clerget engines in the noop monoplanes. will enjoy seeing this one completed
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You'll have to wait a bit, I'm on 'oliday
This weeks holiday reading is 'The War in the Air' Volume II (H Jones 1928). I thought I knew about WWI aviation...
Richard
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Extraordinary work Richard, enjoy your holiday, cheers.
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Brilliant work on drilling and mounting the front bearing> Love this build.
RAGIII
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Thank you
A bit more progress
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/cockpit-1.JPG)
I have rigged the cockpit interior, this time using small diameter steel piano wire. It's the right colour, stays straight and is available. Makes a mess of your cutters though.
I've been worrying about the interior details because I have no details. I am having to make up what is there based on the pictures of the Nieuport IV that I have. This means that I'm mostly inventing what is in there, which is rather uncomfortable. Also, I think I have got the seats too large again. I've decided to stop worrying about all this and carry on, otherwise I'll never finish this build
Anyway, with the wind shields in place, you can't see a lot of the interior:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/cockpit-2.JPG)
Oh, I've closed up the rear of the fuselage too and added the board behind the cockpit. The IV has this, and I've seen images of the pilot standing here on an X, so I have included it
Richard
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This is superb scratch building. Do not worry too much about uncertain details - the only person likely to know if there is a problem is you as most other people will be too busy admiring the rest of you handiwork.
Stephen.
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I have to agree with Stephen about the details. What you are doing with this build is incredible. Looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
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It's quite a while since my last comment and I can honestly say you made fantastic progress. I love the way you are building up the interior into the fuselage as a whole (rather than building the fuselage in two halves) and for me the seats don't look too large at all. Just to the contrary: When compairing many kit seats to resin figures of the same scale I frequently wonder how they should squeeze their bottoms into these tiny things. And regarding the missing details - what would be the alternative than not to build a model of an airplane at all of which not each and every detail of the interior is known. that would be very sad and would bring us a very limited range of WWI models as there are too often so many questions unanswered...
Borsos
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This is coming together beautifully Richard, your attention to detail is quite evident.
Des.
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Controls:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/stick-1.JPG)
This is the heel support, rudder bar and control stick all sitting on a couple of crossbars
There's a huge change between this aeroplane and the biplanes that followed. All of these early monoplanes had three steel structures in the cockpit and steel cross supports with those little heel supports. The biplanes that followed had only wooden framing and wooden heelboards
Richard
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Hats off!!! Richard,you have realy masterclass scratch building skills.
Manni
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Trial fit of stick in the cockpit:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/stick-2.JPG)
I'm getting a bit bored with designing Nieuport X cockpit details, so I thought I'd have a go at the tail
This is a bit like making balsa aeroplanes:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Tail-1.JPG)
The outside is made from 0.8mm half round strip (a happy accident), the 'ribs' are 0.5mm round.
I stuck the frame to a piece of 0.005" styrene sheet:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Tail-2.JPG)
Then skinned the other side. Finally, I sanded the edges and rubbed my fingers up and down the ribs:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Tail-3.JPG)
I'm pleased with that
Richard
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...and so you should be :o
Excellent update.
cheers,
von B
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Excellent.
Adam.
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Outstanding work with the tail plane! Looks perfect!
RAGIII
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Only getting better. All looking wonderful.
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I would have been pleased with that tail unit too if I had made it. The cockpit controls also look first class.
Stephen.
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I'd be very pleased with that! I hope it doesn't warp.....
Ian
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You are moving along beautifully with this build.
Des.
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Hmm, last post in August
Anyway, I've been making the wing:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Wings-1.JPG)
Richard
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wow!
don’t know why ghis wonderful build excaped to my eye till now.... but it is a pure joy to look through it!
it is a great build and one that is very inspiring too!
can’t wait to see what’s next!
ciao
edo
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Thank you Edo. This is next:
I've cut the wings to shape:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/wings-2.JPG)
I made the balsa core a little too big, so I'm having trouble getting the join between the top and bottom skin to stay closed. I may have to give up and fill it instead
I also made the rudder last night:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Tail-4.JPG)
Richard
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Glad to see you back on this one, Richard! Magnificent!
Cheers,
Bud
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I made the fin last night and taped the rudder in place for fun:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/Tail-5.JPG)
Richard
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Lovely work on the flight surfaces. I hope you can sort that gap on the wing without too much trouble. it's good to see this one back too!
Ian
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Looking good Richard (as always). She is coming along very nicely. :D
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This is really art to scratch a model in that big scale! I like the way of working and the outcome.
Cheers,
Frank
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Good news that this one is back again! I hope that you can sort out the wing problem soon - the rest of the flying surfaces look really good.
Stephen.
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The wing looks like it will come good. The skins are firmly attached to the balsa core with double sided tape so they are stable. I filled the gap and gave it a rough sanding, it's looking good. A bit more filler and time and it should work
Only, I fell off a ladder, gashed my hand and arm and severed a tendon in my left hand, so things are on hold for a while
Richard
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Sorry to hear about your accident. Get well soon Richard, your mini-masterpieces can wait.
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Ouch! Sorry to hear that, I hope you make a quick and full recovery!
Ian
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Your work looks excellent till now, I wish you a quick recovery from your injury.
All the best.
Giuseppe
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Wow Richard, you certainly don't approach injuring yourself lightly! That sounds like a very serious incident, best wishes for a complete and hopefully speedy recovery.
Cheers,
Lance
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Richard, you need to take more care when on ladders. I had to go up one yesterday and fortunately my knees stayed firm - but I did not much enjoy the experience. Here's wishing you a complete recovery - but sadly it would seem that we will all have to wait for a while before we see more progress on this project.
Stephen.
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Great progress. My fingers are crossed for a quick recovery!
Andreas
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My physiotherapist will not allow me to cross my fingers
Richard
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The Nieuport is really taking shape Richard! The wing and rudder/fin look awesome! Sorry to hear of your Accident. My best for a speedy recovery!
RAGIII
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I did some very gentle filling and sanding with the wing clamped in a vice. It has come good
I can't work out how to use a modelling knife and rule with one hand...
Richard
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OMG...my cup of tea.( as in way of scrachtbuilding)
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I'm going nearly mad with frustration at not being able to continue this at the moment
And much as I want to get on with this, no way am I risking my hand recovering properly
However, I did raid Halfords for a couple of rattle cans of CDL like paints. I may give them a go tomorrow
Richard
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Hope your arm/hand will recover soon!
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Richard, relax and get better. You will benefit as we when you resume this beauty. :D
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Remember this?:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/progress-1.JPG)
The wings are temporarily mounted using brass rods
Richard
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Great to see you back on this one Richard! The wings look great resting in place.
RAGIII
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Alright then! Glad to see this bird back on the bench my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Good to see you scratching around again.
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Really looking forward to seeing this one being completed. We have had to wait, but I am patient because it is going to be worth it.
Stephen.
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Really looking forward to seeing this one being completed. We have had to wait, but I am patient because it is going to be worth it.
Stephen.
You and me both, mate!
This has gained a bit of momentum, I have left this 'plane long enough to have forgotten the problems and to have left the obsession with detail behind. I want to get this one finished
So, in the cockpit we have a pair of sight glass lubricator indicators:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9942.JPG)
And a Tampier carburettor:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9944.JPG)
Which sit under the fuel tank:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9945.JPG)
I fitted the engine controls too:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9946.JPG)
There's quite a bit of guesswork going on here. The pilot is in the rear seat, I have left the sight gauge and oil indicators in the front - where they are in the Swedish single seater. That also has a Tampier carb, so that's what I have gone with
I think I have the seats a bit big, and probably in the wrong place - I don't think the joystick has enough fore and aft movement. Stuff it - that's where they are staying!
Richard
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Really impressive. I admire your scratch building skills. I think it is the highest school in model building.
Bye,
Manni
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Its nice to have you back in the saddle, Richard!
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Super details. And who is going to spot the very minor errors anyway? I take my hat off to you for attempting this and adding such super details.
Stephen.
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Gorgeous details Richard! Very impressive work!
RAGIII
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More progress:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9948.JPG)
The fuselage has been closed up and sprayed in undercoat. I have made the rear float and the rigging wire pylon. The engine got painted too
Richard
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Its looking great, Richard. The rear float is interesting. How was it made?
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Like wear this one is leading , well done so far . And yes -how did you make the float ?
Terri
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Looks Fantastic Richard!
RAGIII
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Like wear this one is leading , well done so far . And yes -how did you make the float ?
Terri
That will be down to one of my new (ish toys)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9505.JPG)
It's a Wolf Jahn watchmakers lathe, probably from the 1920s
I set it up for hand turning, like this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9513.JPG)
and turned the float out of a piece of dowel
The lathe has other tricks:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9544.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9533.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9529.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/wolf-jahn/DSCF9535.JPG)
I have it set up next to where I do most of my modelling, so I use it a lot now. I wouldn't be without it
Richard
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Lucky you Richard. I would love to have something like that ...... I will dream on.
Great float.
Stephen.
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The Nieuport got some paint:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9949.JPG)
Richard
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Coming along really well Richard , who's not behind the sofa ;)
Terri
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Coming along really well Richard , who's not behind the sofa ;)
Terri
;D
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Excellent progress Richard.
RAGIII
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Excellent progress Richard.
RAGIII
Stick around, I've got a bit more
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I've sorted out the mounts for the float:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9950.JPG)
Richard
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That float looks superb Richard. This is a really exciting build.
Stephen.
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Very impressive!
Andreas
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I like that float mount, Richard.
Coming along on this one!
Ken M.
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Beautiful work on the float and mount!
RAGIII
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As you have all been so nice, another image:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9952.JPG)
The prop is new, it's a cut down one left over from a WNW Roland C.II
Richard
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Looking good on her floats Richard :)
Terri
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Looking good on her floats Richard :)
Terri
It's a bit of a cheat at the moment, notice the blocks under the tail. Hopefully it won't be long now
Richard
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Very difficult to see that this is all scratch built. Modelling at its very best.
Stephen.
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This one is really turning into a beautiful build as expected! Looking forward to the next steps!!
RAGIII
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I've been following your progress from the start Richard and I must say this is some really great model building. It's going to be an outstanding replica when completed, and I'm looking very much forward to following you through to completion. Just lovely work!! 8) 8) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm looking forward to joining the fuselage to the floats, then doing the float rigging. It can't be far off now
Richard
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9958.JPG)
Floats pinned to fuselage, rear float fitted, float frame rigged, oh, and a tiny windshield for the observer
Richard
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Looking really good Richard ! :) I just notice the front fins on the floats :o
Terri
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Excellent work, Richard.
Bye,
Manni
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Cool stuff!
Andreas
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Coming together nicely, Richard. Are you managing to build two at one time? (this and the Cirrus Moth).
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Coming together nicely, Richard. Are you managing to build two at one time? (this and the Cirrus Moth).
And a Roland C.II. It's handy to have something different to do when you get stuck on one project, or you really should let the paint dry...
The Nieuport seems to be taking most of the time at the moment, followed by the Cirrus Moth
Richard
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OK, I'm calling this one done:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9961.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9963.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9962.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9960.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/nieuport-x/DSCF9964.JPG)
Richard
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She turned out awesome Richard ! I really enjoyed following along on your build , she is a neat looking bird .
Terri
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Gorgeous!
Robin :)
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Congratulations Richard, enjoyed your build immensely. She turned out to be real looker.
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Simply gorgeous, Richard :o Scratching of the highest order.
I'm super jealous of your watchmakers lathe. How does one find such a treasure? I want one!
von B :)
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I'm super jealous of your watchmakers lathe. How does one find such a treasure? I want one!
von B :)
You have to become obsessed, trawl Ebay for months then accidentally stumble across a bargain
Well, that's how I did it anyway
Richard
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That's a great looking build, Richard. Nice to see it done.
One question - do you know why the leading edge of the wings are notched at the roots (at the fuselage)?
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That's a great looking build, Richard. Nice to see it done.
One question - do you know why the leading edge of the wings are notched at the roots (at the fuselage)?
I don't know for sure. The only thing I can think of is to do with the crew climbing up to the cockpit from the float. The wing is cut back to the spar, so that would avoid breaking off the leading edge by standing on it
Richard
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A Truly Awesome Build! Once again I enjoyed following your processes on this one!
RAGIII
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Beautiful model Richard, I am always in awe of a well done Scratch Build and this is certainly in that category. A unique subject and one of a kind miniature replica, what's not totally impressive?! 8)
The watchmaker's lathe is truly a treasure as Bob has termed it, I too would love to stumble across one, well done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Simply wonderful piece of scratch building. That is an unusual subject but you have brought it to life in a most interesting manner. The build log was interesting and instructive - very helpful indeed. Modelling of the highest order.
Stephen.