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Title: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on May 16, 2017, 01:27:39 AM
      After stating that I would delay starting this Kit pending the availability of the planned Pheon Decal Sheet I've had a change of heart. As Rick (RAG III) said in his Build Log of the Avis version, all but the personal emblems can be completed if you're doing a Jasta 6 Aircraft, which is my plan for now.
      I still have a Dragon 1:48 model in the same scheme as illustrated on the cover of the WS Data File, a relic from my 1:48 efforts of years ago and plan to do that scheme with this one. The big difference will be the finish on the wing with the 4 colour streaked scheme vs. the monotone dark green on the Dragon version. This is no Wingnut Wings standard of Kit however it looks like a pretty good foundation to combine with some good after market items to add this unique design to a 1:32 Scale collection.
      So here we go, starting with the standard box art and sprue shots etc. The Data File is the only specific reference I have however between the net and numerous small articles and info here on the Forum I'm covered.

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   Here's shots of the engine sprue with the LeRhone 9J / Oberursel UR.II from my Wingnuts LeRhone Camel which will be used in the Build. As you can more or less see in the close up the Wingnut Wings version (Right in the first photo, left in the following) is far better detailed.

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   I've ordered a replacement engine sprue from Wingnut Wings, nice to see direct sales available again and the new sprue offerings are a real boon to the 1:32 crowd!
   I'll be using HGW Belts from the D.VII Set, the already mentioned Pheon Decals once available, and some of my precious brass Strutz material to replace the delicate (& I think under scaled) wheel and wing struts. The wheels may prove adequate however the wing struts are no where near strong enough IMHO. I'll also use Gas Patch Spandaus and perhaps even the Aviattic Fokker DR.1 engine cowling I've been saving for a rainy day.

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   I'm looking forward to this Build, a beautiful subject and a Kit not without a few challenges.
Cheers,
Lance

Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on May 16, 2017, 02:27:21 AM
Hi Lance, looking forward to your progress on this beauty.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on May 16, 2017, 06:06:22 AM
Great to see you making a start on this kit Lance, I will be following along closely. Long time since I have seen a packet of 'Strutz' streamlined wires, wish they were still available.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: petrov27 on May 16, 2017, 06:08:35 AM
Fantastic - good to see what you will do with this one! The Strutz is a good idea - sure can't hurt
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on May 16, 2017, 08:34:22 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Gents! The combination of an aircraft that's on my favourites list and a Kit that needs a little extra effort really appeals to me, I'm really looking forward to getting at it. I too wish the Strutz was still available; I saw some on EBay recently but since the seller wanted approximately the value of my truck for it I passed! (an exaggeration however it wasn't even a full package!) I think I'm going to start looking for one of the Abion Alloys tools, also no longer available, or try one of Bo's Shapeways ones.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 16, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
I am glad to see you take this one on Lance! I am too far along on my Avis kit to benefit from your build, but I am sure My Mikro Mir kit when built will be better for your efforts  ;)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: GAJouette on May 16, 2017, 01:12:41 PM
 Lance,
Man o man I'm so looking forward to this your latest opus my old friend. Although I don't have this Mikr Mir kit in the stash I hope to pick up some good information on building up my A-Model version. Best of Luck to you Lance.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on May 16, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
   Rick, Greg, thanks for your comments and encouragement. I got a very small amount done yesterday working on the fuselage interior sides; I shamelessly referred to your thread to get moving in the right direction, Rick, so I suspect my Build will benefit from your efforts more then the reverse! Today is a write off at the Bench as I have an eye examination this morning and , with the drops, will be lucky to find my house afterwards let alone the modelling desk!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: jknaus on May 17, 2017, 12:14:00 AM
I'll watch with great interest Lance. My kit still hasn't shown up yet. Where do you get the Strutz shaped wire from? I've never seen it before.
James
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 17, 2017, 12:30:27 AM
   Rick, Greg, thanks for your comments and encouragement. I got a very small amount done yesterday working on the fuselage interior sides; I shamelessly referred to your thread to get moving in the right direction, Rick, so I suspect my Build will benefit from your efforts more then the reverse! Today is a write off at the Bench as I have an eye examination this morning and , with the drops, will be lucky to find my house afterwards let alone the modelling desk!
Cheers,
Lance


Thanks Lance for the reference to my build. One thing I would emphasize, compass location is on the right as all Fokker Aircraft, and use a tube and handle on the right fuselage side vs. the pump. JMHO,
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on May 17, 2017, 08:03:56 AM
I'll watch with great interest Lance. My kit still hasn't shown up yet. Where do you get the Strutz shaped wire from? I've never seen it before.
James

James,
   Unfortunately the Strutz product is no longer available; I got this package just before it disappeared from the market place, I wish I'd seen it coming and bought more!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on May 17, 2017, 08:09:13 AM

   
Thanks Lance for the reference to my build. One thing I would emphasize, compass location is on the right as all Fokker Aircraft, and use a tube and handle on the right fuselage side vs. the pump. JMHO,
RAGIII



    Thanks for the info Rick. I'm relying heavily on the excellent photo coverage of the TVAL Replica provided by Jamo here on the Forum for the interior and also several other topics here as well.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: KiwiZac on May 18, 2017, 12:18:43 PM
I've ordered a replacement engine sprue from Wingnut Wings, nice to see direct sales available again and the new sprue offerings are a real boon to the 1:32 crowd!
Amen - given the price I'm seriously considering getting one of these kits as well as a WNW engine sprue.

Thanks for sharing the photos. This is a big help to those, like me, considering buying a Mikro-Mir Razor...although my wife and credit card may not thank you!  :-X
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 05, 2017, 01:58:09 AM
    This has been a very slow project. I plan on finishing it as a Jasta 6 bird using Pheon's decals once released. I liken the Kit to a typical HobbyCraft one, very basic and lots of added and scratch built bits required to satisfy my version of AMS.
   The cockpit is nearing completion and I hope to close up the fuselage within the week with any luck. First step was assembling the fuselage bottom to the left side to provide a base for the interior construction.

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    The plywood side panels were constructed from Evergreen sheet and strips and wood grained using the standard oil paints technique. The kit frames required a lot of cleaning up, they are very "rough" and also required additional styrene rod to finish. I used Aviattic's interior faded lozenge for the sides. The formers moulded to the insides of the fuselage were removed, and evidence of that process is present in all of the photos! It has since been cleaned up.........

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    I added stitching to the back panel and lozenge to it as well as the seat. The frames were rigged and installed and the floor got added Bare Metal foil strips. I'll add the usual observation/excuse here, that machro mode on the camera is a shocking and humbling experience, hopefully my naked eye version is more realistic!

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    Next came the belts, flight controls and rigging, PE Throttle and the scratch built pump for the right side. getting the rudder and elevator lines under the seat and through the back panel was a bit of a challenge.

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     Lots of shavings and crumbs for your viewing pleasure!

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....... and the right side with brass hand pump:

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     That's as she presently sits. The compass and the center pedestal instrument are ready to install and some of the photos seem to indicate a map case (??) on the right side, can anyone confirm or add some thoughts on that? So far an enjoyable little Kit.
   Anyone seeing any glaring errors or forgotten bits please send "letters" before I close her up!
Cheers,
Lance



Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: ondra on June 05, 2017, 02:00:47 AM
Very nice progress so far, Lance! The wood looks very convincing as well as the stain on the floor, goob job!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on June 05, 2017, 02:20:39 AM
Nice to see you tackle this one, Lance.
Keep those updates 'Razor' Sharp  ;)

Von B
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on June 05, 2017, 02:40:15 AM
Very nicely done, looking forward to your progress and treatment on this one.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: IanB on June 05, 2017, 02:51:40 AM
Just found this one, I hope there's room at the back for one more! A nice start, those interior lozenge decals are certainly a big help. I've never heard of the lozenge seat though, was that peculiar to this aircraft?

Ian
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on June 05, 2017, 03:14:43 AM
I too am just catching up with this Lance. A great start, especially the floor and other cockpit details - as usual your usual attention to tiny detail is showing through. An interesting choice of subject too.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 05, 2017, 04:37:00 AM
Thanks for looking and for your kind comments, Gents. Ian, the surviving original being rebuilt, I believe in Holland, had a seat covered in 5 colour lozenge fabric so I added it. Fiddly work is one of my weaknesses, and this one didn't disappoint! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on June 05, 2017, 05:31:26 AM
Very nice start, Lance! I'll follow as usual  :)
Could these pics be of any help:
http://www.collectors-edition.de/f-t-s_zeichnungen_FokkerDVIII_english.htm ?
Borsos
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 05, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Thanks Borsos!
   The photos are new for me, and very helpful. I particularly like the details showing the gun belt feed and exit chutes and the leather combing on the wing cut out. I also was not aware that this one was on loan to TVAL, don't know how I missed that. Great stuff! No map case either; I noticed a wood backing plate in the usual position in photos on pages 31&32 of the Data File of the restoration in Rovereto, Italy. (not Holland as I thought) I think it is the same airframe.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on June 08, 2017, 05:28:34 AM
Outstanding progress Lance! Your interior is beautifully rendered!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: KiwiZac on June 08, 2017, 06:48:06 AM
I also was not aware that this one was on loan to TVAL, don't know how I missed that.
I think both the Razors at TVAL are from Achim and his team, ditto the one flying in Australia with a Le Rhone.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: GAJouette on June 08, 2017, 11:46:07 AM
 Lance,
As I've always realized you're on OUTSTANDINGLY Talented / Skilled Modeler my old friend. I've been wondering if anyone building the E.V / D.VIII would texture the wing? I hope you'll take a shot at it. Keep up the high excellence!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 08, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
Rick, Thanks for the comment, that was the easy part!
Kiwi Zac, Achim and his Team do really outstanding work, and so much to preserve the history of these beautiful machines!
Greg, Thank you for the wonderful endorsement!  The thought of the texturing has indeed crossed my mind but, for now, the basics of this Kit are a huge enough challenge!! I'm secretly hoping that Wingnut Wings release the subject and I get a second crack at her! As Rick has hinted and I'll attest to, this is not a real "user friendly" Kit!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on June 08, 2017, 03:16:47 PM
I also was not aware that this one was on loan to TVAL, don't know how I missed that.
I think both the Razors at TVAL are from Achim and his team, ditto the one flying in Australia with a Le Rhone.

Yes, they are as far as I know.
Sad to hear of the drawbacks of the kit. But I am sure you and Rick will master them.
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: mike in calif on June 08, 2017, 03:59:23 PM
Nice start Lance. it all looks good.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 08, 2017, 11:34:47 PM
Thanks Andreus and Mike. This will now go on hold for 3-4 days as I depart for the Western Canadian Regional Model Show and Contest early tomorrow morning. This year it's held in Nanton, a small town in Southern Alberta that is home to the Canadian Bomber Command Memorial and Museum. As in past years the plan is to fire up all four Merlins on their resident Lancaster, always a thrilling sight and sound experience! As it's, at minimum, a 7 hour drive I'll be arriving the night prior to the Show which opens at 9AM Saturday morning.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on June 09, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
Safe travels Lance, the Lancaster experience needs to go on my bucket list.   :D
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 09, 2017, 05:58:41 AM
Safe travels Lance, the Lancaster experience needs to go on my bucket list.   :D

Juan,   
      If you are still in South Carolina there's a flying Lanc reasonably close to you at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton, Ontario. I've seen it fly many times, once from the air, and it's a real thrill. The sound as it flies by if you're on the ground is unforgettable! An outstanding Museum as well..........................Bucket List Holiday some time?? ;)

http://www.warplane.com/aircraft/collection/details.aspx?aircraftId=4

Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on June 09, 2017, 07:16:31 AM
Thanks Lance, will keep that in mind when travelling to your beautiful land.  Regards from SC
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: steveb on June 09, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
Very nice work on that interior. Love the finish on the floor!

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 09, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
    Thanks for looking in and commenting Steve. I got the fuselage halves together with the bottom yesterday, not a real pretty result so lots of filling and sanding to go.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on June 10, 2017, 02:18:21 AM
    Thanks for looking in and commenting Steve. I got the fuselage halves together with the bottom yesterday, not a real pretty result so lots of filling and sanding to go.
Cheers,
Lance


I also had to do a bit of filling on the underside seams! Sounds like you have yours whipped now  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on June 10, 2017, 06:44:55 AM
Beautiful work on the cockpit Lance, looking forward to seeing more.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 14, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
gorgeous thus far looks like a great model in the works
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on June 14, 2017, 05:40:41 AM
Lance, I will follow. The most interesting part will be the wing coloring ;D
The lozenge fabric looks great!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 14, 2017, 05:59:51 AM
    Thanks all, for your compliments and encouragements! I'm a bit "stalled out" at present, travel and attendance at the Annual Western Canadian Regional Show and contest and some real life responsibilities to catch up on once back have stopped all desk activity for nearly a week, hopefully I'll get moving again in a day or two!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 22, 2017, 01:19:57 AM
     Finally more progress on this Build, it's a rather slow go as the work arounds to this basic Kit continue. The wing assembly was rough with lots of filling and priming required. I used Squadron Green stuff for filler on the joints and Tamiya Surface Primer followed by sanding, more primer, and a final finishing with wet and dry paper.

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...... and the final results. The panel lines were roughly re-scribed as well.

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    The horizontal stabilizer needed some recessing as well to achive a decent fit to the fuselage.

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   The fuselage which had been previously assembled required considerable sanding and filling as the joints were very poorly matched.

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    At this point I elected to work on finishing up the cockpit with the addition of the gun synchronization cables, the missing cross frame member behind the ammunition magazine, and the lone instrument on the rudder assembly support frame.

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    The rough attachments of the sync. cables will be hidden once the upper deck is added.

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  The final addition will be the two cables (guns and throttle) and stick grip to the control stick. The upper cowling and engine firewall and cowling are in the cleanup stage. Once they are finished I need to get the lower nose cowling access panel "scratched" and added to the fuselage before installing the upper cowling.

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   It's a slow process however there's no rush as I hope to get her to the painted and decal ready stage and then push her to the back of the hangar while I await those much looked forward to Pheon markings!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on June 22, 2017, 01:28:28 AM
Great work on another EV.
Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on June 22, 2017, 01:29:26 AM
Looks like much sanding work that you managed perfectly, Lance.
Very nice progress!
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 22, 2017, 01:37:20 AM
Thanks Borsos!
Steve, it's tempting however my AMS factor hasn't registered that as a priority............... yet! The plastic is very brittle and my grinding skills are not quite up to that challenge at this point. I am thinking of how to use some subtle shading to provide some "ripples though............ :-\ :P
 
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on June 22, 2017, 02:28:55 AM
A lot of work there to improve a basic kit: but it seems to me that your grinding and sanding skills have had considerable practice recently and to excellent effect. The cockpit looks most convincing - an excellent example of your modelling skill.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 23, 2017, 02:58:07 AM
Thanks Stephen, your compliments and comments are always a pleasure to receive. I must admit the bench hasn't seen this much plastic dust and shavings for quite some time!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 23, 2017, 03:18:49 AM
     Another small but timely update, the inclement weather here has provided a welcome break in domestic tasks and much modelling bench time!
     The lower nose compartment panel frame and door were shaped from Evergreen Sheet Styrene of slightly different thickness and installed. That popped seam was re-glued as well.

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    The fasteners are 1mm "Vector Cut" nuts, slightly over scale however I think they'll blend in nicely with the application of the paint.

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_5495.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_5495.jpg.html)

    I got the stick grip and throttle cable installed with less hassle then anticipated to complete the cockpit detailing. The Kit stick grip is nicely molded although the removal of considerable flash was a delicate operation. The warped longeron will be hidden when the upper deck nose cowling is added.

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_5496.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_5496.jpg.html)

     As normal, with the upper cowling (posed here) completing the close up most of the cockpit detail regrettably disappears. As the photo shows the fit of the upper cowling will require yet more "adjusting"!

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_5500.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_5500.jpg.html)

    I'll be adding a PE line of stitching to the fuselage bottom much later; next the Oberursel Ur2 from the Wingnut Wings LeRhone 9J Sprue and the complete closing of the fuselage with the upper deck and firewall.
    Comments or suggestions are most welcome!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on June 23, 2017, 07:15:03 AM
The lower panel and door turned out very well and the cockpit looks excellent, pity a good proportion of it will be hidden though, looking really good Lance.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 23, 2017, 07:28:05 AM
Thanks Des, your endorsements are always welcome and encouraging. As we all have remarked many times concerning hidden details, at least we know they are there!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on June 24, 2017, 03:04:35 AM
Lance,
Your mods and corrections look great! My EV is also awaiting the release of Pheons Dec als pre ordered when announced. So.. I started the Mikro Mir kit since 5 or 6 models going wasn't enough  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 24, 2017, 03:16:57 AM
    Thanks for your comment, Rick. I'm eying a WNW Camel presently as this one gets closer to being shifted to the back of the line awaiting the markings I also pre-ordered. I'm thinking ahead to mounting the wing, not going to be a breeze from what I see at this point! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on June 24, 2017, 07:52:03 PM
Hi Lance,
 You may consider using a medium viscosity CA glue for nailing the upper deck and any seam lines. Add a small amount of dark pigment power to the glue, thus making it easier to see during the sanding process. This method works beautifully on seam lines  ;)

Good luck!

vB
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on June 24, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
    Thanks for your comment, Rick. I'm eying a WNW Camel presently as this one gets closer to being shifted to the back of the line awaiting the markings I also pre-ordered. I'm thinking ahead to mounting the wing, not going to be a breeze from what I see at this point! :-\
Cheers,
Lance

I am not as afraid of Mounting the wing as I am keeping it on once it is there  :-X
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 24, 2017, 11:52:38 PM
Hi Lance,
 You may consider using a medium viscosity CA glue for nailing the upper deck and any seam lines. Add a small amount of dark pigment power to the glue, thus making it easier to see during the sanding process. This method works beautifully on seam lines  ;)

Good luck!

vB

Von B,
    I've used the CA filler method on the fuselage seams and you are correct, it's a great treatment for seam lines. In the case of the upper cowling it actually overlaps the join with the fuselage proper (Jamo's photos illustrate it well), it's not a flush seam so I'll be adding a bit of overlap to the cowling using very thin sheet styrene, at least that's the plan, what could go wrong.........
    As for the wing, Rick, I hope to bolster the struts as it's a pretty flimsy assembly as presented. Keeping it together will indeed be a challenge.
    More to follow.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Gisbod on June 25, 2017, 06:38:00 AM
Great stuff Lance

I still had some issues even when using CA but that's probably just me!

Guy
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 25, 2017, 08:37:08 AM
    Thanks Guy. I still have to remind myself that the CA is harder then the plastic and sand carefully to avoid a ridge replacing the trough!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on June 27, 2017, 03:18:09 AM
That cockpit looks real! The addition of the nose panel was also extremely well done. This is going to be another of your memorable models Lance.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 27, 2017, 03:26:09 AM
    Thanks for your very generous comments, Stephen. Unfortunately the nice weather has returned and progress is again at a snail's pace!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Ronkootje on June 27, 2017, 04:34:32 AM
    Thanks Guy. I still have to remind myself that the CA is harder then the plastic and sand carefully to avoid a ridge replacing the trough!
Cheers,
Lance

True but when using slow drying CA glue mixed whit talk powder avoids this problem, keep in mind that when you fill with green putty that it will shrink over time! I have used it on my Goth GV and one year later the seam came back so I stopped using solvent based putty's never had the problem again so far.

Ron
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: PrzemoL on June 27, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
Fine modelling, all around Lance!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on June 28, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Ron,
   Thanks for the hint, I must try that!
Prze,
   Your comments are most welcome as always, thank you!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 08, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
   Another update and a try at Imgur as a photo host. The Oberursel UR.II Engine, the German built version of the French LeRhone 9, was sourced from the Wingnut Wings Spare Sprues available at their on-line catalogue. The only addition were the ignition wires. Most of the finish is Alclad II with oil washes.

(http://i.imgur.com/ncid5DA.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YRZLnqu.jpg)

More updates and photos will follow,
hope this works! ........... ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on July 08, 2017, 08:14:45 AM
The engine has turned out looking fantastic Lance.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 08, 2017, 08:16:30 AM
   Looks good so I'll try the rest.
   The fuselage got it's Aviattic 4 Colour Lozenge treatment, a slow process as the panels had to be decalled, and allowed to dry and be trimmed before the next etc.
(http://i.imgur.com/A0I3mW1.jpg)

   The stitching is Eduard PE and will be highlighted later with the oil staining.
(http://i.imgur.com/2mRCDHM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VmTe7sg.jpg)

   .......  and last the hand laminated and carved wood prop. I used a Wingnut Wings Axial for the outline and shape, the Kit version being pretty poor in my view.
 Here's the three together, the wood one still requires varnish. Top is the Kit prop, bottom the WNW Axial.

(http://i.imgur.com/qctiNQ9.jpg)

    This last view is the prop hub roughly cut from the Wingnut version and drilled out. Once cleaned up and painted it should do quite nicely!

(http://i.imgur.com/4O6YdRT.jpg)

   Adios Photobucket! >:(
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on July 08, 2017, 09:39:15 AM
Photobucket??? who are they :) :) ;) ;)

Really nice job with the decals Lance and the propeller will look great when completed, excellent work so far.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 08, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
Thanks for your generous comments Des! Yes, it's very nice to be out from under the black cloud of extortion perpetrated by my previous image Host Site (who for some reason are continuing to allow my photos to remain, and be shared?! :o ???!)
    The prop, once carved, produced much wider layers then anticipated however I think, at this stage, it will suffice......I may take another run at it later.
Now to get a coat or two of future on her and start the staining process, the wing being the next major step.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 08, 2017, 10:36:24 AM
Looks excellent Lance! Terrific work on applying the Lozenge! Your carved prop makes me envious as I have been struggling with trying to paint 3 axial props for the F1,DR1, and EV!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 08, 2017, 11:18:20 AM
Thanks for the support Rick. 3 Axial Props you say?   Might be time to give the carving thing a try!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on July 09, 2017, 03:50:23 AM
That's fantastic Lance. The prop looks as great as the decalled fuselage.
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 09, 2017, 04:52:44 AM
   Thanks for commenting Borsos. A slow and, at times, challenging little project to this point! :P
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 09, 2017, 06:46:50 AM
Super prop and Loz work, Lance.   ;)

More!!

vB 8)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 09, 2017, 08:31:06 AM
Thanks von Buckle, more will follow soon! BTW, the excellent thumb prints all over the Aviattic Lozenge are mine, not the suppliers. Fortunately the top coat of Future has made them disappear!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on July 10, 2017, 02:13:01 AM
Lovely work on this so far Lance. The prop really looks the part and I think that Rick should follow your advice - carving is not so difficult once you have given it a try.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on July 10, 2017, 07:03:09 AM
Lance, good start into timerwork! What kind of wood do you have used?
Its hard to see on the pictures, but you could improve it further with more layers.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 10, 2017, 07:32:39 AM
Frank,
    I agree, more layers would produce a more appealing result however, after completing it, I spent a bit of time going over my Reference material and there are several examples of what appear to be 4 or 5 lamination Axials in the photos in the Windsock Data File. If you have that Datafile, #25, check out the centre photo of page 22 for example. The TVAL Replica machines both have numerous layers in their replica props. I'm going to finish this one and then decide whether I need to carve a newer one with more layers. ;)
   The veneer sample package I use does not have the sheets labelled, so I don't know what types of wood are in this prop. I won't be using the darker one again as the grain is slightly too open.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Gisbod on July 10, 2017, 09:12:27 PM
Great build Lance. Looking good to me!

Guy
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 10, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence Guy! I'm a little unsure of my results on this one, and when you see the forthcoming photos of the wing streaking you'll probably understand why! :-[ :o
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2017, 12:13:03 AM
   After considerable thought and review of a great deal of commentary and speculation concerning the finish on E.V / D.VIII wings and yet more staring at Reference photos my mind is made up; I agree with Bughunter's (Frank) interpretation, green and purple uppers and light blue lowers as used on many previous German aircraft of the period.
   Here's my results; After spraying the upper surface with a Tamiya "wood base" equal parts mix of White, Desert Yellow, and Deck Tan the streaking is (all enamels) Humbrol (a concocted purple using  a mix of their #68 and an at least 25 year old tin of their HG 9 "German Purple (about 60/40 respectively) and Model Master Dark Green # 1710. I am really unsure of the results here, I know it was roughly applied but is this example too "sloppy"?? I am very open to comments, opinions, and recommendations on this.
   First, the cowling which is finally painted and ready to install: (C/W newer thumb prints on the future coat over the lozenge :( :-\ )

(http://i.imgur.com/bKenYVd.jpg)

........... and here's several shots of the wing upper finish:

(http://i.imgur.com/fuXyooE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/uZPDrly.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/eSB7xeO.jpg)

    Hoping for some constructive  feedback, I am not adverse to doing a paint removal/clean up and going back to the drawing board however the colour choice is not negotiable!
Cheers,
Lance

Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 11, 2017, 12:14:32 AM
Lance,
 I am sure you will get a better result than most in spite of your doubts! As an aside, I just got my invoice from Pheon so I should get back to my EV in a week or so. I plan on taking full advantage of the jigs provided with the decals!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Rick,
    Great news from Pheon; I just sent payment as well! At my present rate of progress the decals should arrive just in time, even if I go back to "square one" on the wing finish.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 11, 2017, 12:54:20 AM
Rick,
    Great news from Pheon; I just sent payment as well! At my present rate of progress the decals should arrive just in time, even if I go back to "square one" on the wing finish.
Cheers,
Lance

By the way I think you were posting the wing photos as I posted my previous reply  ::) I think your wing looks fine. I am still not sure about the combination of colors but that is your call and is pretty much open to any opinion as we discussed. I will repeat my only doubt as I said earlier. The amount for the 4 stains listed was "Just Enough" to cover the wings when used on the exterior so I wonder how an unmixed lower blue and an interior brown was used. That being said we still do not know for sure the wing wasn't green  :o In the end I like your results!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on July 11, 2017, 05:24:11 AM
I agree with Bughunter's (Frank) interpretation, green and purple uppers and light blue lowers as used on many previous German aircraft of the period.
Oh Lance, thank you!
I think last time I forgot to mention one other fact. There are four colors on the famous Fokkers parts list, but the brown was mentioned on a different place, I was told. So that is another fact which points to a usage of the brown stain inside the wing to improve the water resistance.

Back to you model:
I think, that your green streaking is a bit better, more vital, alive. But this may depend also by light and pictures. I'm sure it will look great in real, you are able to manage this issue.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2017, 06:01:17 AM
Thanks Frank, I've since gone back to work more on the streaking and removed some of the heavier areas. It's toned it down a lot and given the wing a slightly lighter coloured appearance. I'll try some photos in natural light today and post them as a further update.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2017, 07:01:40 AM
   Here's the photos of the reworked streaking, I'm much happier with it now.

(http://i.imgur.com/h6qEv51.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ow0zWmS.jpg?1)

   I also added the stacking bumps to the leading edge.

(http://i.imgur.com/vps8mJc.jpg)

Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: xmald on July 11, 2017, 07:06:20 AM
The corrected version of the streaking is even better Lance. I think you`ve achieved a very convincing result, also similar to what I remember from DSA`s samples presented at the Aerodrome. Good job!
The decals are simply beautiful Lance. I would give the cowling (you probably will) a shinier look though.
The E.V is still one of my all time favourites!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2017, 07:21:45 AM
   Thanks Filip, I was fooling around with Imgur when you posted, still have a way to go to get comfortable with it's nuances! I will be doing the cowling in a much shinier semi gloss finish once installed.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on July 12, 2017, 03:35:29 AM
I'm much happier with it now.
Yes, you can, Lance!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on July 12, 2017, 03:41:09 AM
Looking great Lance    :D
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 12, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
Frank, Juan,
    Thanks for looking and for your comments. Now for the lower surface blue and a coat or two of Future for decals. :)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: KiwiZac on July 12, 2017, 06:44:45 AM
Nice job Lance! I don't know much about Razor wings but yours looks pretty darned good. I'm intrigued by your Wood Base mix too - will have to try that sometime.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on July 12, 2017, 07:25:31 AM
Coming along splendidly Lance, the wing turned out looking excellent, really nice colours and very nice streaking.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 12, 2017, 07:34:10 AM
Thanks Zac. The acrylic wood base mix works nicely with all of the oil "woodgrain" colours by Winsor Newton that I use. Their #34 Raw Sienna, #2 Burnt Sienna, and #35 Raw Umber produce a light, medium, and dark wood grain effect respectively. I also mix them on occasion to lighten or darken the effect.
Des, Thank you as well, I much appreciate your compliments!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on July 12, 2017, 08:44:02 AM
I agree with others Lance that your streaking Mk 2 is very good. I would find that very difficult to achieve - so I greatly respect your effort. In the end if you are happy with it then it is good enough.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 12, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Thank you Stephen, I've received enough endorsements of the streaking to relax and accept it as is. It's a completely different and unique effect I was a little unsure of but it will suffice in the absence of high definition photos of the real thing! And yet again, my very favorite comment on WWI Aircraft colours and finishes................ "the only one thing were sure of is...............we're not sure!!" :) ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: KiwiZac on July 12, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
The acrylic wood base mix works nicely with all of the oil "woodgrain" colours by Winsor Newton that I use. Their #34 Raw Sienna, #2 Burnt Sienna, and #35 Raw Umber produce a light, medium, and dark wood grain effect respectively.
As it happens, those are the only three oils I have!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 12, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Streaky-tastic!
Lovely work on the Razor, Lance  ;)

von B
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on July 12, 2017, 09:23:58 PM
You have definitely hit the mark on the look!!! It is for sure a more challenging finish to execute than the solid green but boy its ugly ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 12, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
Excellent Lance! I have been re reading the Old Aerodrome posts and Hans said something about having that pigment list minus the Mocha brown? I am still wondering what he meant. Your second set of photos really show awesome results.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 13, 2017, 12:31:15 AM
Thanks von B and Steve.
Rick, yes it is pretty stark (ugly!) when you compare it to other finishes. As for the possible absence of the brown stain on the exterior Bughunter (Frank) made this comment earlier:
" There are four colors on the famous Fokkers parts list, but the brown was mentioned on a different place, I was told. "
That's further supportive of the two top/one bottom colour theory...........can you recall the source, Frank?? Does anyone have, or know where the Fokker Part List can be found?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Monty on July 14, 2017, 04:56:20 AM
Hi Lance, This is a lovely build to follow with some great natural wood, fabric and metal effects... quite stunning! I do like your interpretation of the streaked effect on the wings, it looks quite plausible and has a great choice of tone and colour. But we really don't know for sure, do we? But following this build is great inspiration and a journey into the realms of esoteric research... I Love it! Regards, Marc
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 14, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Thanks Marc; my statement regarding "being sure" of 12 July stands............... and obviously you agree! The best we can do with a lot of these neat little mysteries is apply what we know for certain (very little!) and keep digging for more information and material. Now, at the 100 year point, it will only become more difficult!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: coyotemagic on July 15, 2017, 01:44:48 AM
How I missed this one, I'll never know!   Brilliant work all around and your streaking and the colors you've chosen are superb!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 15, 2017, 08:45:13 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bud. Going against the consensus "flow" on the colours is not my normal approach however I really have a problem accepting the two colour bottom surface thus this scheme.....
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 19, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
   I've decided I've gone as far as I wish to before adding the decals yet to arrive from Pheon, so this bird will be pushed to the back of the hangar (Desk) for a week or two. I've trimmed, fitted, and installed the top forward cowling and will be adding the engine cowling retaining strap and Taurus "Fokker Cowl Nuts once all the markings have been applied. As the photos show, there's a thumb print or two to be removed from the Future finish and some paint touch ups required for the leather coaming.

(http://i.imgur.com/GEbUxEa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vqdodJw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/3CQEwu7.jpg)

    I may complete the guns but won't install them until after the markings as well. For now I'm cleaning up the Bench and have been agonising over what the next project should be. With 3 Camels in the Stash I'm thinking it will be intuitively obvious!  ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on July 19, 2017, 08:37:39 AM
Beauty Lance, here is hoping for a favorable tailwind for your (and my) Pheon order. 
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Iancshippee on July 19, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
Beautiful work, Lance! You're tempting me to add one to the stash!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 19, 2017, 09:38:16 AM
Juan,
     Rowan stated a 27 July latest shipping date so I reckon on a minimum 2 weeks before the earliest delivery. The delay doesn't bother me at all, his product is simply outstanding and I need a "breather" from this Build, it's not been without it's challenges thus far, and the major assembly (wings and wheels) is still to come!! :-\
     Thanks for looking and commenting.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 19, 2017, 09:41:46 AM
Ian,
    If I were you I'd wait a bit; I am firmly convinced Wingnut Wings will announce release of this as their next Kit, possibly before I finish this one! ::) :o
Thank you for the nice comment!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Iancshippee on July 19, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
That is a good point, I would not be surprised since Oberursel is an option on their Le Rhone spruce. We shall see, and I hope you're right! I think I'll order one of Pheon's sets to keep it on my mind.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 19, 2017, 10:38:56 AM
Looks Fantastic Lance! You and I are now in about the same place...waiting on Pheons Decals and jig. I have the gear attached but only because I had a spare set of DR1/DVI struts that I used. What Markings are you planning as I wouldn't want to do the same? I agree that WNW is doing something powered by a URII. As there is a good Triplane the EV/DVIII makes sense  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 19, 2017, 10:56:23 AM
Rick,
    I'll be doing a Jasta 6 Bird, either #5 or #2 on the sheet. I agree regarding that UR.II on the Le Rhone sprue, it's a DR.1 or an E.V / D.VIII sign for sure...........
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 19, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
Rick,
    I'll be doing a Jasta 6 Bird, either #5 or #2 on the sheet. I agree regarding that UR.II on the Le Rhone sprue, it's a DR.1 or an E.V / D.VIII sign for sure...........
Cheers,
Lance

So then I think I will go with #1 or #3  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: mgunns on July 20, 2017, 10:16:23 AM
Hi Lance:

I have just gone through your entire build thread.  This is coming nicely.  Your interior is up to your usual standards and the streaking on the upper wing is very nicely done and looks the business.  I thought streaking MK.I looked good but I think you nailed it with the MK.II, the stacking bump is a nice touch as well.  I too have this kit, and had the Avis, just not ready to make the leap yet.  I will see how yours turns out with the PHEON sheet.

Until that time
Mark
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 20, 2017, 12:09:28 PM
Thanks Mark! I am looking forward to the arrival of the Decals, it always makes the project look so much closer to completion. Once that's complete it will reach the finish line very quickly!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on July 26, 2017, 12:53:48 AM
great work lance love the decaling and color green you used on the fuselage upper deck
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on July 26, 2017, 04:54:46 AM
Thanks Scott; the dark green on the cowling is Model Master Enamel #1710 Dark Green FS34079. It's been in the paint drawer for over 10 years so I'm not sure if they still make it.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 07, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
     They've arrived! My Pheon Fokker E.V Decals arrived several days ago, and they were truly worth the wait - spectacular Rowan, as always! Great register, colour, and per usual once in hand, the schemes are so difficult to make a choice from. Another Build is not out of the question, I'm extremely impressed!

(http://i.imgur.com/4fdztXW.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rywuwZT.jpg)

   A quick study of the assembly jig included relieves a lot of the trepidation I was feeling about putting this beast together, Mr. Pheon is more then just a pretty face! I'll be off to the Stationary Store tomorrow for some card stock to put the jigs together.

(http://i.imgur.com/ea1eBFP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/J1vJ0Vw.jpg)

    I'll be finishing the cockpit module for my Camel Build, then it goes to the holding pattern while I get back to this Build. As my good friend MGunns so aptly puts it, "stay tuned for more modelling excitement"! :)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 07, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
Excellent Lance! Hopefully my decals will arrive soon!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on August 07, 2017, 07:57:14 AM
Thanks for posting Lance.  Looks like the jig will make life easier (if possible) for those tackling this beauty.  I too hope that my decals arrive soon (hopefully I will not drool on them,  ;) ).  Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on August 07, 2017, 04:27:31 PM
Looking forward to seeing the Jig in action.

Cheers,
vB
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 07, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
Juan and vB,
   The jig design looks to provide an efficient solution to aligning the strut assembly; I'm going to try to incorporate some brass if possible, per the assembly instructions I have a bit of remaining "Strutz" stock which will hopefully firm up the delicate frame components. First though I have to get a little face time with the small soldering iron I've added to the tool bench. Failing success I can always take up the fine art of the wood-burning hobby! :o
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: mgunns on August 10, 2017, 01:26:03 AM
I have been scoping those decals out for some time as I did pop for the MIR kit as well.  Not sure I want to tackle it yet so I will watch as you and Rick work through the builds and advance any pitfalls that may occur during the process.  The DVIII/EV has always been an evocative and enigmatic airframe for me and it's neat that it is out in 1/32nd scale.  Now with PHEON to the rescue "Modeling excitement" can now run wild as the fun meter keeps pegging to the right of zero.   ;)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 10, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
Yes Mark, that Modelling fun meter is all aquiver! I am looking forward to getting back to this Build; the slow pace of the Camel cockpit completion coupled with the continuous lawn and yard requirements are presently an obstacle to timely progression at the work bench. Slow and steady will win the race hopefully!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on August 10, 2017, 05:51:42 AM
Great looking decals Lance, hopefully mine are jetting my way, the jig looks very good and should make life a lot easier.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on August 16, 2017, 11:12:49 PM
Just got mine yesterday and they are truly amazing!!! Now its day thirty waiting for the the kit...........

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: jamieg on August 17, 2017, 01:30:53 AM
>Just got mine yesterday and they are truly amazing!!! Now its day thirty waiting for the the kit...........<

Who did you order from? I got mine from a shop in the Ukraine via ebay. I ordered it Sunday night and it was in my hands on the following Friday. I think you should be making a fuss at this point.

Jamie


Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 17, 2017, 03:35:26 AM
>Just got mine yesterday and they are truly amazing!!! Now its day thirty waiting for the the kit...........<

Who did you order from? I got mine from a shop in the Ukraine via ebay. I ordered it Sunday night and it was in my hands on the following Friday. I think you should be making a fuss at this point.

Jamie

    Probably the same place as I ordered mine from:

    www.Plastic-Models-Store.com

    IIRC it arrived in a little over two weeks. Also with a personal note of thanks and a souvenir One (something) bill of Ukrainian money. No complaints about the service from me!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on August 17, 2017, 03:38:33 AM
What's this Lance, a jig!!!! Hve you not learned from my example with paint pots, card, tweezers etc and whatever else comes to hand or mind?

Stephen (von Jigmeister)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 17, 2017, 03:50:13 AM
Stephen,
    The Ukrainian Bill isn't quite thick enough to serve as card stock material for a Jig however should I come up short on the Pheon Jig for this Build that I've started to assemble I'll keep it handy. I confess to using the items you've mentioned more then occasionally but never considered using currency! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 17, 2017, 04:14:50 AM
>Just got mine yesterday and they are truly amazing!!! Now its day thirty waiting for the the kit...........<

Who did you order from? I got mine from a shop in the Ukraine via ebay. I ordered it Sunday night and it was in my hands on the following Friday. I think you should be making a fuss at this point.

Jamie

    Probably the same place as I ordered mine from:

    www.Plastic-Models-Store.com

    IIRC it arrived in a little over two weeks. Also with a personal note of thanks and a souvenir One (something) bill of Ukrainian money. No complaints about the service from me!
Cheers,
Lance

Same Here except I got a coin.
RAGIII
PS: If you can a tutorial on assembling the jig using the supplied stick on patterns would be a benefit to people like me  ::)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 17, 2017, 08:18:56 AM
   I'll post some "in progress" photos and comments for sure Rick. I couldn't get to the Bench today but am in the midst of cutting the various components, hope to finish them up tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on August 18, 2017, 08:57:26 AM
Got the kit from Scale-Model-Kits in the Ukraine. Big operation with a 99.9% feedback on E bay. I have filed a request for resolution. There was something about a "postal hacker" in their response to a negative feedback from someone.

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 21, 2017, 01:16:13 AM
  With the arrival of the Pheon Decal Set for this model I've shifted my efforts back here from the LeRhone Camel Build I worked on in the interim. The decals are now complete; they are up to the usual high standard of Rowan's line with only a very small bit of trimming for the fuselage band at the bottoms. The Aviattic Lozenge wheel sections need a tiny bit of touch up paint.

(http://i.imgur.com/37IFY1g.jpg)

    I had intended to use the added (longer) cowling decal from the set however forgot and used the original which fit very well in my view, especially with the added black stripe on the rim of the cowling. The face portion was "halved" for ease of application, the separate bottom lips were trimmed once set and worked nicely as well with a bit of Micro Sol.

(http://i.imgur.com/FjGlcnn.jpg)

    The fuselage markings went on easily over several coats of Future on the Lozenge.

(http://i.imgur.com/9dReXkx.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jPpZveC.jpg)

................. and the wing:

(http://i.imgur.com/b2jsp28.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/npAnFud.jpg)

    Next in line was building the Landing Gear and Wing Attachment Jigs supplied as part of the Decal package. I used plastic faced cardboard sign board sheet for the bases and cut the small supports from foam core plastic sheet board of approximately  5mm thickness. The "peel and stick" templates worked well and a little careful work with a #11 blade ensured accuracy. I used 2 part 5 Minute Epoxy to assemble the jigs, they appear to be great little aids in getting this beast together!
..........Cutting out...........

(http://i.imgur.com/bh6qQAL.jpg)

    The two assembled Jigs.............

(http://i.imgur.com/rg65KQr.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XTvex02.jpg)

     and finally the fuselage "posed' in the Landing Gear Jig. Beautiful fit I must say! Kudos to Rowan from Pheon, magnificent markings and decal quality and the Jigs are pure genius!

(http://i.imgur.com/4mOpYeh.jpg)
    Now it's decision time; I'm going to try soldering up brass "Strutz" Landing Gear assemblies and, if successful, will attempt the wing strut assemblies as well. I guess learning to solder should be considered step one in the process!?
Cheers,
Lance

Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: coyotemagic on August 21, 2017, 04:08:18 AM
Excellent work with the decals, Lance!  Those Pheon decals really are amazing, aren't they.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on August 21, 2017, 04:36:03 AM
Very nice, Lance. You and Rick are doing great jobs in building the Fokker E. V. This will be another burner.
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 21, 2017, 04:49:23 AM
Thanks for looking and commenting Bud and Andreas. Although delicate you certainly can't beat those Pheon Decals!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 21, 2017, 05:01:02 AM
Looks great Lance! You have done your usual outstanding work with the decals. I will have to digest he photos of the jig and look over the directions  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 24, 2017, 05:24:50 AM
  Thanks Rick, it's starting to move along now!
  I decided to do the landing gear assembly before the more complicated wing struts. The four gear struts were copied using a solid tapered brass rod material no longer on the market called "Strutz". Brass wire "pins were soldered to each end of the four struts. (One end only on at the time of the photos).

(http://i.imgur.com/ftWRjJa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FD3kgqz.jpg)

    The model was then placed in the Pheon Jig and the assembly CA'ed together at the Axel Wing only, the strut to fuselage joints being inserted but not glued to allow for removal during the wing strut assembly construction. Once dry the assembly could be carefully removed and painting completed.

(http://i.imgur.com/Rxq9AGv.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FgPrsZ6.jpg)

   Here's a shot of the assembly "posed" on the fuselage.

(http://i.imgur.com/XytRzb7.jpg)

    I've now started the wing strut assembly process; I'll be using the Kit "V Strut" parts from the forward assemblies, slightly modified, and replacing the straight brace portion of the front and the longer rear support struts with brass like the landing gear. Here's the forward strut components ready to go and the Kit rear struts at the top, the next step is to match them with brass "pinned" ones. Pins will also be installed in the wing to spar joints as the final step.

(http://i.imgur.com/GZewY2B.jpg)

    This Build continues to offer no end of challenges, and some frustrations............  I've virtually destroyed the decal Fuselage Datum Lines and will have to replace them. A smart unforgetful Builder would have sealed them with Future before all this work and associated handling started. "DOOOHHHHHH!!!!
Cheers,
Lance

     
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on August 24, 2017, 06:25:17 AM
Looking great Lance, hang in there (stuff happens).  She is looking great.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: GAJouette on August 24, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
 Lance,
This thread just keeps being more impressive each time I check in my old friend. Keep up the Highest Excellence my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 24, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
Thank you Juan and Greg. I actually had to walk away from her today to get some "mojo" back, the struts are proving to be a little less cooperative then the landing gear assembly. I think I've used just about my entire lexicon of unrepeatable words, so I'll just have to man up and get on with completing the Build! :-\ :-X ::)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on August 24, 2017, 08:48:55 AM
That's a clever way to increase the stability of the whole affair. Good to have some brass Strutz!
What's your opinion of the Pheon jig?
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on August 24, 2017, 09:17:45 AM
That worked really well!!! She'll be solid on her feet!!!

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 24, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
Steve,
    That's the easy half of the challenge solved. The wing struts are a different kettle of fish!
Borsos,
    Without Rowan's neat little Jig I'd be lost for a solution. The Jig provides alignment of the complicated strut assembly and spacing from wing to fuselage; things that could not be possible without some sort of support or guide. This is no kit for a novice. It reminds me of the worst sort of Vacu Form actually!
Cheers,
Lance
   
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: boggie on August 24, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
Nice "strutz" work Lance. Neat soldering too.
This kit looks quite challenging but on the plus side I guess you are getting your moneys worth of challenge  ;D
Looking forward to seeing the wing mounted.

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 24, 2017, 10:11:10 PM
Thanks Boggie, that's definitely a positive slant on the "challenge" aspect! The soldering has been a new and learning experience, not without a small pile of failed bit's and pieces however patience prevailed in the end. I invested pocket change in a really basic iron at a bargain hardware store and it worked well enough. Now that I see the possibilities soldering can provide I think I'll shop for a smaller easier to handle version.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on August 24, 2017, 10:47:12 PM
Nice work with the landing gear struts Lance, pity that product isn't still available. I'm sure you will prevail over the wing struts, when fitted they will make for a very strong assembly. I purchased a soldering station some time ago and it took a few goes before I managed to get half decent soldered joins, it all boils down to practice.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 24, 2017, 11:34:41 PM
Steve,
    That's the easy half of the challenge solved. The wing struts are a different kettle of fish!
Borsos,
    Without Rowan's neat little Jig I'd be lost for a solution. The Jig provides alignment of the complicated strut assembly and spacing from wing to fuselage; things that could not be possible without some sort of support or guide. This is no kit for a novice. It reminds me of the worst sort of Vacu Form actually!
Cheers,
Lance
 

First let me say how impressed I am with your work on the struts. When finished you will have NO WORRIES about the gear or wing falling off  ;D I am still considering ways I could add pins to the kit supplied wing struts as I have no STRUTZ and am not experienced in working with brass . I think you are showing your Master Modeler skills well on this one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 25, 2017, 04:16:01 AM
  Thank you both, Des and Rick for your generous comments! Rick, this is my first foray into the art of soldering, it's proved an eye opener however doesn't seem that difficult. There are a few tools available on the After Market to squeeze brass tube into a tapered strut shape which I'm going to look into. If anyone has one they'd like to part with I'd be interested. I believe Bo designed and sells a plastic one; wasn't there a version done by Albion Alloys and also one by RB Productions?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on August 25, 2017, 07:56:55 AM
I have both. Bo's gives you an airfoil shape. The Albion is more heavy duty (and $) but the airfoil shape appears to be lacking. There's a video on their sight. It basically squashes the tubing evenly.

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 26, 2017, 07:14:11 AM
Thanks for the info Steve. I'll check out that video as well.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: von Mertens on August 26, 2017, 07:21:21 AM
Magnificent work! Now I know that I will construct further! Thanks for an inspiration!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 26, 2017, 07:44:37 AM
   It's been a bit of a mud wrestling match but the worst, or at least most difficult part, is done! I can now do some touch ups, some weathering, and get the final bits like the guns and step on and then mount the wing.
   It took seemingly dozens of dry fits and small adjustments to get the brass "V" strut support and the longer rear wing support strut to all fit together. After a good six hours of effort it all came together, the only damage being a small hole on each side of the wing undersurface where the location for the pins had to be relocated. An easy cosmetic fix will solve that problem. Here's a shot of the assembly dry fitted and "posed".

(http://i.imgur.com/5cQMauQ.jpg)

    The lower (top of the photo) pin on the rear strut will be CA'ed to the base of the rear landing gear strut when installed.
    Following are a few close ups of the dry fitted components:

(http://i.imgur.com/GooxaXf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rvNmEkC.jpg)

    The three strut front wing attachment was then CA'd to the fuselage permanently using the Jig. It looks a little rough at this point however some filling, cleaning up, and a finish coat of paint should bring it all together. Once the last of the parts are on and the weathering completed the wing can be installed on the pins and the rear single spar attached as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/AWIpySf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YvfQUq0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/0nu7Z4g.jpg)

     I'll admit to having to "walk away" from this one more then once by this point of the Build. I'm afraid a couple of very flimsy struts and basically "butt" joints do not a good model make! Using the Pheon Jig supplied with the Decal Set saved the day. I think obviously the assembly would/could have been much easier just using the kit struts but it would have been far flimsier then my nerves could tolerate. Hopefully I can get the rest completed without breaking the strut assemblies, fingers crossed!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 26, 2017, 07:53:33 AM
von Mertens,
   Thanks for looking and for your comment, I was posting this update as you posted apparently. I'd like to do another in Sachsenberg's black and yellow diamond scheme to have with his D.VII I've done however after this marathon I think I'll wait for the Wingnut Wings release of the E.V/D.VIII I just know is coming! ???
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 27, 2017, 06:43:37 AM
It looks as though your struts will certainly hold the wing in place!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on August 27, 2017, 07:02:15 AM
That looks frustrating but successful. If mine ever shows up I will be coming back here on a regular basis. (It hasn't shown up so I'm asking for a refund then ordering elsewhere)

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 27, 2017, 11:32:56 AM
Rick,
     No doubt this should be a great improvement on the Kit supplied version!

Steve,
     That's really too bad, I hope you get it resolved satisfactorily. I am convinced that Wingnut Wings will release a Kit of this subject sooner rather then later................. might be worth a wait?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on August 29, 2017, 06:17:51 AM
That was an impressive solution to a difficult problem Lance, and achieved with minimal colateral damage to boot. I take my hat off to a modeller who can make a fix as neat and strong as that no matter how long it took them.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on August 29, 2017, 07:59:49 AM
Thank you very much Stephen. It is a strong assembly, perhaps a bit overdone however once the wing is mounted it should stay there barring a complete catastrophe! It also looks much better painted, I'll be adding more photos very soon; I've been working on the smaller bits and have over sprayed the model with a satin clear coat preparing for the addition of it's trademark oils stains.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 02:46:16 AM
    A fair bit of progress made over the past several days, I'm starting to see a conclusion to this project at last!
    The forward strut assemblies have been filled, primed, and painted and I'm fairly pleased with the results of the styrene and brass construction, including my first attempts at small scale soldering.

(https://i.imgur.com/D6kGUCL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9o7pOxi.jpg)

   The next step was a coat of Vallejo Polyurethane Satin Varnish to tone the finish down and to provide a base for the limited weathering that will be applied. At this stage the hallmark oil staining of the fuselage where the expended engine oil tends to "wick" along the frame members of the inside of the fuselage and stain the fabric was attempted; I used various strengths of Tamiya "Smoke" for this effect. Jamo's photo series of the TVAL Replicas provided an outstanding reference source for this step.

(https://i.imgur.com/2fLc0CZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AR1eTUY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C0gtIf4.jpg)

    The leather grommets around the elevator cable exit and entries on the underside of the fuselage were added as well at this stage using paper thin styrene sheet and the Waldron Products Punch and Die Set. The control column extension below the fuselage was constructed from scrap PE frame. The control cables will be added once the landing gear is installed, to prevent "collateral" damage later!

(https://i.imgur.com/WxXUvXp.jpg)

   Last, I completed the two LMG 08's using spare Wingnut Wings breeches and the Masters Brass jackets and barrels set. The loading handles will be left off until just before permanent installation of the wing to again prevent little accidents as construction progresses. I also need to mask off the guns to spray a bit of paint through the jackets to cover the barrels, that would have been much easier to do before installing the guns ................  had I engaged my brain!!

(https://i.imgur.com/bAOpD2L.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ddPJEns.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cQBhTfg.jpg)

   Once I get the gun barrels painted the landing gear will be the next step; as I said earlier I can see the "Completed Models" stage getting close now.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2017, 03:35:23 AM
Wow Lance, beautifully done, thank you for taking this kit on and showing the way (Rick is also in this thought).  The end is near and am awaiting the final(?) installment in this production of "As the Fokker E.V/D.VIII Turns".   ;D
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 03:42:46 AM
    Thanks for looking and for your comments Juan. Yes, the end is now in sight however I'm sure this little devil will produce more then just one more challenge before then! :o
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on September 04, 2017, 04:17:50 AM
The extra details that you have added look very good Lance. I have my fingers crossed that there will be no major upsets now and that you will be presenting us with another of your mini-masterpieces shortly. Looking forward to that.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 05:32:20 AM
   Thanks Stephen, I hope you are correct. So far it's been looking good!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: KiwiZac on September 04, 2017, 06:44:54 AM
Those grommets look perfect! One of those easily overlooked details that really sets it off.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on September 04, 2017, 07:30:08 AM
Looks terrific Lance! Nice catch on the leather grommets! You are much farther along now than me as I have been focused on the Albatros. One more question regarding the jig construction. Did you say you used Plastic coated foam core board? If so I have not been able to find anything but cardboard lined. If you or anyone else knows of a US source let me know!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on September 04, 2017, 07:52:40 AM
This model is coming along beautifully Lance, the finish line is within sight.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Thank you Zac and Des for your most generous comments. I got in a few hours this afternoon and the completion is getting closer!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
Looks terrific Lance! Nice catch on the leather grommets! You are much farther along now than me as I have been focused on the Albatros. One more question regarding the jig construction. Did you say you used Plastic coated foam core board? If so I have not been able to find anything but cardboard lined. If you or anyone else knows of a US source let me know!
RAGIII

   Thanks Rick. The stuff I used for the blocks and supports is a foam core in a cardstock that has been plasticized. Those components are glued to a standard cardboard base that I applied the peel and stick base pattern to. The material came as a support for a print that I bought, the intention being that it would provide a solid level back support for the print in a frame or prevent it from being damaged. I'd suggest checking with a shop that does framing, sells prints etc. I couldn't locate card stock in this area that was as thick as Rowan recommends (2mm I believe) and I briefly tried thin stuff which didn't work well.
   Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: mgunns on September 04, 2017, 12:13:31 PM
You are definitely making progress on this Lance.  The lozenge looks like actual fabric, the "oiling" along the base of the fuselage has the look alright and it coming along.  Good luck painting the barrels on the machine guns.   :o  Hopefully that will go without a hitch.  You have done a great job with this kit to date and I am looking forward to seeing you progress to the end.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Iancshippee on September 04, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
Nearly there! Your soldering looks excellent, everything comes together so smoothly. Can't wait to see the final product!
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: ondra on September 04, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
I can imagine what you were struggling with while fitting the struts, as I fight the same battle on every single of my builds. You definitely handled it perfectly, good job on the soldering!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on September 04, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
Really great progress on that one, Lance. The weathered Tarnstoff in particular looks perfect to me.
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 04, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
   Many thanks for your comments and encouragement, Guys!
   Some careful masking worked perfectly in getting those brass barrels properly done in gun metal, they look much better now. I also got the landing gear assembly installed, all went smoothly. Today I have a few domestic chores that have been specified as the day's primary objectives........ I'm hoping to get them out of the way to my Director's high standards and get a bit more progress completed on this project as well. No problem addressing priorities here I assure you! :-\
    I forgot to mention the windscreen visible in the last 2 photos; it came from a spare (left over) sprue from the Wingnut Wings Albatros D.V Kit, a perfect match to the one in several photos in the Data File showing "Ernie" Udet in the cockpit of a factory model. I used 5 minute Epoxy to install it.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on September 06, 2017, 04:47:30 AM
Oh Lance, what a progress in meantime! Some days off due to holiday and other things, so I have to catch up here.
Especially I like the coloring of the wing, may be you know why ;)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Jeff K on September 06, 2017, 05:10:51 AM
this kite's looking impressive. may have even persuaded me to struggle through one of these...

can't guarantee results of the same standard, however.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 06, 2017, 07:33:13 AM
Oh Lance, what a progress in meantime! Some days off due to holiday and other things, so I have to catch up here.
Especially I like the coloring of the wing, may be you know why ;)

Cheers,
Frank

   Thanks Frank, and yes, I have not changed my mind on your interpretation of the wing colouring, it makes perfect sense to me!

this kite's looking impressive. may have even persuaded me to struggle through one of these...

can't guarantee results of the same standard, however.

Jeff,
     It isn't the greatest of Kits however if you take your time it turns out a pretty good model. A few After market additions help as well.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 13, 2017, 06:17:07 AM
    I'm hoping this is the last update before completion, this Build has been a long haul! I finally got a bit of time to get at this project and it's progressed nicely.
    First a few photos of the completed and installed Landing gear assembly with the brass/soldered pins struts:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZeY5Onu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Wt9NIGq.jpg)

    The Spandaus were carefully masked off and the barrels sprayed with gun metal, a step I had previously missed.

(https://i.imgur.com/3VuCec3.jpg)

    Next came the Fokker Cowl Nuts as done by Taurus Models. These little guys really took my Optivisor to it's limits but I'm really pleased with the results; lovely touch, Thanks to Luckasz.

(https://i.imgur.com/TZwd0td.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KlHR9o9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0cKqGNi.jpg)

    The elevator cables from the control stick counter balance below the cockpit were added:

(https://i.imgur.com/lh09AcP.jpg)

    The leather grommets for the fuselage exits of the control cables were done in paper thin Evergreen sheet styrene with Waldron Models Precision Punch and Die Set:

(https://i.imgur.com/BayKt6K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YfQB6qh.jpg)

    And finally the big obstacle was conquered, the wing was mounted to the "scratched" soldered brass and plastic parasol struts, and worked out quite well! I also added the black stripe decal just behind the cowling at this stage.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZlggzfK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6uezylB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LIbIrSf.jpg)

    Last, the tail skid and the Spandau Loading / cocking handles were added:

(https://i.imgur.com/WPJ6TDR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jwkdoRC.jpg)

    Now it's time to attach the aileron cables, complete the tail assembly and rigging, get the engine, cowling, and cowling strap on and with a little touch up and final weathering she'll be a "wrap".
    It's looking a little better now that the wing is on. There were times when I thought it just might end up a shelf of doom candidate!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on September 13, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
Very nice Lance, so close to the end you can smell the castor oil.  Looking forward to your grand finally.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 13, 2017, 11:52:41 AM
Thanks much Juan, it's nice to finally see the end point. I hope to get a full day tomorrow which should get this to only a few hours remaining!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: mgunns on September 13, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
All I can write is WOW!  What an example of model crafstmanship Lance.  The Leather fairleads look the business as do the guns.  Outstanding work all around.  The top wing sets it off and the comparison between the "free flowing" upper wing camouflage against the geometric lozenge sets this off nicely.  Looking forward to the next and final phase.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Manni on September 13, 2017, 02:48:55 PM
Yes Lance! A very delicate work from you. The Fuselage and the wing look amazing and all the tiny details make a real gem out of this "Ugly Duckling"
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: bobs_buckles on September 13, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
Excellent work, Lance.
It's always a pleasure seeing your next update and this one is no different ;-)

Well done.

vB  ;)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: aliluke on September 13, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
Big WOW from me too. Those cowling locking nuts are seriously cool. But...I've promised to myself not to buy upgrades anymore. Only use found items and everything in the box - otherwise the costs to make go utterly mad!

And, yet, once again I'm tempted.  ;)

Alistair
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on September 13, 2017, 11:03:46 PM
Great to see you in the final stages of this terrific build Lance! All is looking up to your usual standards. I Don't know how you feel but if/when I finish mine it will be one of my favorite Models as it took so much to bring it to life!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 13, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
    Thanks Mark, it does lend itself to a little dressing up.
    Manni, great analogy; it is a bit of a plain Kit but does produce a good looking model with a little care and attention.
    Thank you von B, I always look forward to and appreciate your comments.
    Alistair, the Taurus Cowl nuts are a really great deal as you can probably do up six models given the number provided. Probably half that number for me as I lost several, they are about as small a subject as I've ever worked with!
    Rick, I agree, the more effort required the more appreciated the results, and this little gem has been no exception to this point!
    Thanks all, for commenting, more to follow soon.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on September 13, 2017, 11:48:43 PM
The tiredness is visible from your words, Lance, but not from the pictures of your modelling. You are bringing that beast to a very appealing end and the struggles you had are not visible from that beautiful model.
Andreas
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 13, 2017, 11:57:56 PM
Thank you Andreas. I hope I'm not complaining too loudly, under all my whining are many hours of enjoying the challenges this Kit offers. Once I decided to add brass to the structure and rebuild the strut array I worried that it wouldn't pass the accuracy test in the end. Other then reversing the connection /support arrangement of the upper and lower struts which isn't all that apparent in my view it thankfully worked out very well. This Kit is not for the beginner but for the vast majority of our members would provide a great modelling experience, unique but solvable obstacles, and in the end a nice replica of a beautiful subject.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on September 14, 2017, 04:36:22 AM
in the end a nice replica of a beautiful subject.
Lance, can't say it better!
Still flashed everytime, when I look at your pictures, by the fabric on the fuselage. It does not look like a decal, it's fabric!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on September 14, 2017, 04:49:42 AM
I am just pleased that this did NOT end on the shelf of doom because it would have been a tragedy if it had. Your skills as an expert modeller are really well displayed here Lance: you attention to every tiny detail takes this model from the very good to the excellent class.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 14, 2017, 06:08:21 AM
Frank and Stephen,
   Thanks for checking in and for you very nice comments, much appreciated and encouraging!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: xmald on September 15, 2017, 05:50:03 PM
Just stunning work Lance! This is a true beauty! I like the way you painted the controversial wing camouflage.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Nigel Jackson on September 15, 2017, 09:22:00 PM
Beautiful work, Lance. What a fine job you are making of this!

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 16, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
Filip, Nigel,
   Thank you both! I hope to do the last update later today, it's almost complete. :)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 16, 2017, 08:37:26 AM
   This should be the last update on this Build. I've completed all of the outstanding items mentioned in my last one with the exception of a little bit of weathering.
     The Aileron control wires have been installed in the wing, the definition in the machro photo reminding me to touch up the final clear satin overcoat on the touch up coloured areas as here!

(https://i.imgur.com/u3Ctegd.jpg)

   Next the flight control wires were rigged using Modelkasten elastic thread.

(https://i.imgur.com/n25H0Kx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RRRaGSS.jpg)

    Next step was to add the engine, hand carved prop, and cowling.

(https://i.imgur.com/BpXVI7i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HxVrfro.jpg)

   The last item was to scratch up a cowling retainer cable with fittings. Jamos photos of the TVAL Replicas on the Site here served as references. I used salvaged electrical wire and some eyelets made with Nickle Alloy wire with brackets made of some spare PE fittings. I have no idea what that fur ball is in the photo and haven't seen it since, hopefully it's not stuck to the model! Here's the brackets before they were cut from the PE part:

(https://i.imgur.com/4c1NOGd.jpg)

     and here it is installed:

(https://i.imgur.com/OSrFddJ.jpg)

     I must admit I'm relieved it's completed, the wing struts worried me a lot and were difficult however it's now very securely done and I was pleased with the fit for my first attempt at the black art of soldering! Tomorrow I will add a small amount of weathering and get some photos for the Completed Models Thread. Now I think I'll take Wonder Dog for a long walk and have a cold beer before dinner, been a long haul on this one!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: boggie on September 16, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Hi Lance.  :)

I have very much enjoyed following your build and am

eagerly awaiting your completed pics.

One question if I may;

Are you sure 1 beer will be enough?   ;D

Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Juan on September 16, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
As usual Lance, great work on this beauty.   8)
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 16, 2017, 11:37:34 AM
Boggie,
    You are a clever man! Of course one wasn't enough, so I had two! Thanks for looking and commenting.

Juan,
   Thank you for checking her out and for the nice comment.

Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Des on September 16, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
Even under macro photography your model looks excellent, your attention to details really stands out, looking forward to seeing the photos of the completed model.

Des.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Borsos on September 16, 2017, 04:29:21 PM
This is a wonderfull build. You did a great job, Lance! I am keen on seeing fotos of it as a whole.
Borsos
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 16, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
    Thanks Des and Borsos for your comments, much appreciated! I hope to get photos and a summary of the Build on Completed Models later today.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RAGIII on September 17, 2017, 04:17:55 AM
Well done on finishing this little beauty Lance! Your attention to the small details has raised the bar for me to add some stuff to mine  ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 17, 2017, 05:16:11 AM
Thanks Rick. Now hurry up and finish yours so that Wingnut Wings can release their version! :o
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lone modeller on September 17, 2017, 06:06:33 AM
I have already commented on your attention to tiny detail: this last post just confirms all that I wrote before. I cannot put into words my admiration for your skill and patience - looking forward to the pics of the completed model.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 17, 2017, 06:09:28 AM
Thank you so much for your comments Stephen, they are so much appreciated. I just now posted the Completed Model Entry and Photos.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Bughunter on September 18, 2017, 07:04:30 AM
Lance, you spend a lot of work to create a very nice representation of this little razor! This big scale allows many details and "tricks", e.g. that fantastic fuselage decals.
I simply like your model :)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 18, 2017, 07:14:08 AM
   Thank you Frank, and also for gracefully allowing me to use your interpretation of the application of the "four" stain colours to the wing. It seems so much more logical to me. and I really like the looks of it!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: ondra on September 18, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
Very nice job, Lance, this build was pure joy to follow. Congratulations on finishing this beauty!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: Manni on September 18, 2017, 04:30:35 PM
Great job. I'm looking forward to see the entire model, chapeau.
Manni
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 18, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
Manni, Ondra, 
    Thanks for checking in Guys, your comments are very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: andonio64 on September 18, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
Super work Lance, I particularly love the oil staining on the belly, but of course the whole thing deserves a standing ovation!
;-)

Antonio
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 18, 2017, 11:50:16 PM
Thank you Antonio. I appreciate your comments very much. The oil staining was made a lot easier with Jammo's photos here on the Forum as references.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on September 19, 2017, 02:57:18 AM
Great work Lance. Finally got mine so maaaaybe I will dig in. Just in time for the WNW release.....

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 19, 2017, 04:50:36 AM
   Thanks Steve. Have a go at it, great little Fall project! I'm glad you finally got it, I was wondering how that worked out.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on September 23, 2017, 01:32:37 AM
I had to cancel the last order and get a refund then I ordered elsewhere.

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 23, 2017, 02:04:22 AM
Steve,
    At least it was only time you lost, could have been your payment as well! Now that you have it "front and center" are you thinking of getting at it?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on September 26, 2017, 01:09:00 AM
I ALWAYS think about building its just a matter of making the time! Hockey season is already upon us again.

Steve
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 26, 2017, 05:14:44 AM
Steve,
     Hockey Season! How well I remember that pastime .......... with three Sons playing at different levels and me coaching a minor team as well! Glad it's in the rear view mirror but lots of good times to remember.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RLWP on September 26, 2017, 08:02:07 AM
In this country, hockey is for girls

Richard
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 26, 2017, 11:54:36 AM
  In this country it's played on ice like it should be!  It's good for the national soul ....... ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: boggie on September 26, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
Hockey is played in Oz too, but only on grass/dirt.

That's cause all the ice is needed to keep the beer cold!

All a matter of priorities I guess.  ;D
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: lcarroll on September 26, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
   How in the heck did my D.VIII Build Thread get to this..............?? :-\
Cheers ;)
Lance
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RLWP on September 27, 2017, 03:34:34 AM
   How in the heck did my D.VIII Build Thread get to this..............?? :-\
Cheers ;)
Lance

Remember, careless talk costs lives!

Richard
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: pepperman42 on September 27, 2017, 08:18:40 AM
In this country, hockey is for girls

Richard
That's what you call them?
Title: Re: Mikr Mir Fokker E.V / D.VIII
Post by: RLWP on September 27, 2017, 06:16:02 PM
In this country, hockey is for girls

Richard
That's what you call them?

If you have ever seen girls play hockey, you'll quickly learn to be polite to a young lady equipped with a wooden club

Richard