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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: stevie g on May 13, 2017, 08:06:38 PM
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Just seen this on the WNW website, looks really cool and a must for anyone who missed out on the individual boxings. But regarding Wingnuts take on when OOP kits where to be reissued......and what was supposed to be included......well, I'm not gonna say it......but you all know what I am thinking.
That aside, top effort from WNW, I'm sure these are going to sell like the proverbial hot cakes...
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Three kits with 11 Jasta 5 markings is awesome.
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Three kits with 11 Jasta 5 markings is awesome.
Hear, hear! :D
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So how much for this trio? +$250? I like the idea, not sure I'll be enamored with the price.
Glenn
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So how much for this trio? +$250? I like the idea, not sure I'll be enamored with the price.
Glenn
Hi Glen, MSRP is $189 ($63.33/kit) so not too bad. Looking forward to the release.
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Thanks for the info! Price per kit is okay!
Glenn
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Please remember a single DV went for 250+USD on e-bay recently... And Albatross decal sheets are available from WNW... some great schemes... and every kit has parts for a DV or DVa... A real bargain.... Enjoy! Regards Marc
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Thanks for the info! Price per kit is okay!
Glenn
Price per kit is fantastic, when you consider that both versions of the Albatros DV/DVa can be build out of each kit and there are eleven different new decal versions offered, 10 of which are not available in 1/32 scale anywhere else. The price works out to being just about $5.00 dollars per kit over the original price of $59.00 when these kits were first released back long ago. Great value for your bucks.
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So are we saying that all 3 of these kits contain the alternate ailerons, control stick and other minor differences that were part of the original DV and DVa releases? If so then this is certainly a bargain!
RAGIII
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Yes, look at the parts display in the instruction booklet over on the Wingnuts site.
Wish they'd included both in the previous Alb releases!
S
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So are we saying that all 3 of these kits contain the alternate ailerons, control stick and other minor differences that were part of the original DV and DVa releases? If so then this is certainly a bargain!
RAGIII
Three full sets each of of the aileron sprue + 3 full sets of PE covering both versions, then 3 sets of decals for upper and lower lozenge plus rib tapes that if purchased separately from their site... (you can do the math). I agree with Rick that when everything is taken into account, this is a great value.
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Wow - yeah I am surprised it comes with all that - looks like quite the kit-set!
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Makes you wonder what could be next....a British triple set maybe ? RE8, DH2, Tripe,.........anyone ?
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An idea for these releases would be to form a local group - 3 people (in this case) who couldn't afford or even have time to build the trilogy but wanted to build at least 1. Do the same for the duelists sets. Buy the kit and then distribute the parts - a group build! Nothing dodgy about this.
I'd be in for that for the Albatross set with any two others on this forum in New Zealand where I live. We'd have to choose our preferred schemes and then maybe draw straws for the favourites but you get a sold out kit for about what it originally cost...Any takers?
Cheers
Alistair
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I have got a few of the WNW Albie decal sheet sets, now I may get the chance to use them, eventually!
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An idea for these releases would be to form a local group - 3 people (in this case) who couldn't afford or even have time to build the trilogy but wanted to build at least 1. Do the same for the duelists sets. Buy the kit and then distribute the parts - a group build! Nothing dodgy about this.
I'd be in for that for the Albatross set with any two others on this forum in New Zealand where I live. We'd have to choose our preferred schemes and then maybe draw straws for the favourites but you get a sold out kit for about what it originally cost...Any takers?
Cheers
Alistair
Yep count me in Alistair.
Lets keep in touch. Two months to wait
Cheers
James
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Good one James - I'm in Wellington too so that's easy!
And no current preference for a colour scheme. They all look good to me.
Cheers
Alistair
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this is fantastic news. my jaw dropped so far i think it damaged the floor when i saw it. i've been hoping for an Albatros reissue, but more importantly it demonstrates a commitment and approach on their part to keep reboxing the aircraft that sell out.
i'm desperately hoping next multiboxing is Black Flight tripes. Even if i build the Roden tripehound by then, i'm in.
PS regarding that group build idea: in the unlikely event anyone else is based in Thailand i'd be interested...
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Makes you wonder what could be next....a British triple set maybe ? RE8, DH2, Tripe,.........anyone ?
I would snap up a RNAS Sopwith set. Pup, Tripe & Camel. So quick the shop would not even have it inventoried yet!
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Although not my cup of tea, I think a Black Flight Tripe trilogy would be something they might consider. I would never have thought this before the release of the Albatros Trilogy!
RAGIII
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Three Jasta 5 schemes, yet not ONE set (really should be three!) of decals for the unit marking (the red empennage edging)??? :'( Must Pheon do everything?? ;)
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yeah - I was wondering about that too - the red edging - but that seems like it would be a difficult decal to apply? I have a FCM decal set that contains a Jasta 5 subject which contains some pre-cut masks for the tail edges - my intent is to go that route assuming they fit well and I should be able to make additional sets via my Silhouette cutter
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Three Jasta 5 schemes, yet not ONE set (really should be three!) of decals for the unit marking (the red empennage edging)??? :'( Must Pheon do everything?? ;)
Having not downloaded the instructions yet, I don't know how Wingnut Wings suggests the red edging be applied, but I see that as a very minor nit when one considers that they are offering three of the most iconic WWI aircraft, and likely one of Wingnut Wings's best kits in one box at such a reasonable price. I will certainly get one and happily build all three.
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Three Jasta 5 schemes, yet not ONE set (really should be three!) of decals for the unit marking (the red empennage edging)??? :'( Must Pheon do everything?? ;)
Having not downloaded the instructions yet, I don't know how Wingnut Wings suggests the red edging be applied, but I see that as a very minor nit when one considers that they are offering three of the most iconic WWI aircraft, and likely one of Wingnut Wings's best kits in one box at such a reasonable price. I will certainly get one and happily build all three.
Albatros D.V surely is an iconic WW1 aircraft. However, I must disagree with the opinion that it is one of WNW's best kits. I do not mean to say it is a bad kit. But it is one of the earliest and as such does not meet the standard, that many, if not all their later releases, represent. In my opinion, when compared to other single seaters from WNW, it lacks some important touches - the most important problem is no imitation of nail heads on the fuselage. See for instance how finely done is the fuselage of their Roland D.VIs. Also the frequently reported problem of intrplane struts "banana bending" has to be taken into account.
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Three Jasta 5 schemes, yet not ONE set (really should be three!) of decals for the unit marking (the red empennage edging)??? :'( Must Pheon do everything?? ;)
Having not downloaded the instructions yet, I don't know how Wingnut Wings suggests the red edging be applied, but I see that as a very minor nit when one considers that they are offering three of the most iconic WWI aircraft, and likely one of Wingnut Wings's best kits in one box at such a reasonable price. I will certainly get one and happily build all three.
I guess this might be something we are expected to paint?
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Yes, the instructions call for painting by the builder, but without ready masks, this will be a tough row to hoe. Pheon Decals sheets 32016, 32017, and 32017a (perhaps 32017a will now see a re-print :)) all include the red edging, so it wouldn't have been impossible for WnW to provide them. I doubt applying decals would be more difficult than masking & painting.
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Yes, the instructions call for painting by the builder, but without ready masks, this will be a tough row to hoe. Pheon Decals sheets 32016, 32017, and 32017a (perhaps 32017a will now see a re-print :)) all include the red edging, so it wouldn't have been impossible for WnW to provide them. I doubt applying decals would be more difficult than masking & painting.
Having done both methods in similar applications I'd much prefer to mask & paint. It's not difficult when the very narrow tape is used.
Regards
Russell
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Yes, I'm with Russell,
I think it is easy to paint, just made it with my Floh. I took 1mm flexible tape from an airbrush artist shop. I like this method more than using decals for such delicate shapes.
manni
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I have not painted Jasta 5:red rims. But from my experience with PC10 returned to the bottom of wings and stabilisers - I find it easier to airbrush the interior, mask it and then airbrush the rim. Before any assembly, when the parts are free to manipulate I use them to draw the outline of the surface on a paper. Then I draw the line inside the shape. Later this template is used to prepare the masks from ordinary Tamiya masking tape. You only have to be careful, that you get a mirror image of the shape. But it is not a problem with Jasta 5 tail as you need the masks for both sides.
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I would also agree that painting is the best way to go. Decals can be rather fussy.
Also, I have inspected many period photos of Albatross D.v series and have failed to notice any lines of nails along the wood panels. I have seen models with that feature and there may have been aircraft so constructed but I think lines of nails are not obvious on most Albatros D.V and D.Va planes.
I had no issues with the interplane struts on my D.Va kit. Was this an issue for others?
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I would also agree that painting is the best way to go. Decals can be rather fussy.
Also, I have inspected many period photos of Albatross D.v series and have failed to notice any lines of nails along the wood panels. I have seen models with that feature and there may have been aircraft so constructed but I think lines of nails are not obvious on most Albatros D.V and D.Va planes.
I had no issues with the interplane struts on my D.Va kit. Was this an issue for others?
The nails are there and visible in some close up photos. Whether they belong in scale is up to you. As for the struts I also had no problems with either of my DV/DVa builds. That being said some had what was called Banana Strut issues.
RAGIII
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The banana strut issue has been discussed in detail in other threads - with some novel preventative solutions.
It's likely a case of the relatively scale size struts being fairly close to the point of not being strong enough hence slight differences in rigging tension, temperature & perhaps even styrene batch mix can just tip them over the edge whist other people don't get a problem.
I'd welcome a set of photo-etch brackets being made available to which 'squashed' brass tube could be added - similar to the solution Bo developed. A 3D printed jig to hold things in position for assembly would greatly ease the job - hint - Bo ;)
Another option would be a set of wire reinforced resin struts - Richard perhaps? ;)
Regards
Russell
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Did anyone get their original Albies with the struts "bent" already in the package? I seem to remember that..
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The banana strut issue has been discussed in detail in other threads - with some novel preventative solutions.
I'd like to know more. I did a forum search here for posts with the words "Albatros" and "strut". I got a bit over 200 hits. There were two that mentioned strut problems, bending, etc. but they concerned Eduard and Roden kits. Could you, or anyone, direct me to some of the threads discussing this issue with Wingnut Wings Albatros? Since I plan to buy one of these new kits, it would be helpful to know more about any potential strut problems.
Thanks.
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Interested here as well on more about the strut issue - I tried searching on "banana" and got some hits but not specific to any WNW Albatros build....
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IIRC the dreaded "Banana Strut" Condition discussion was started by a member who requested that a lot of his posts be removed due to potential for infringement on his Business interests. I suspect that, as a result, most of the discussion on the topic has disappeared. Des should be able to shed further light on that.
I have only built one WNW Albatros to date, and several months after completion noticed that the forward cabane on one side had "bowed" slightly, not a lot but noticeable. Now, almost 5 years later it's still there but thankfully no worse then originally. I plan on at least two more Builds and will be extra careful with strut alignment and rigging tension to prevent a recurrence.
Cheers,
Lance
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The main 'banana strut' discussion was part of the thread Bo had for his build of that glorious Albatros D.V.
Basically Bo ended up casting new wire reinforced undercarriage legs & making the other various struts from slightly squashed brass tube with his own photo-etch brackets at the ends.
Steven Robson (of spoked wheel fame) went the way of cutting a groove in the struts & gluing in a reinforcing wire.
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In a similar vein, when attaching the lower wings to my OAW yesterday a very bad case of anhedral resulted. A previous build had no such problem. Anybody else seen this?
Cheers.
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Am I right in thinking that 'Bo' is no longer a member of this forum?
Tell me I'm wrong.
vB
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Am I right in thinking that 'Bo' is no longer a member of this forum?
Tell me I'm wrong.
vB
Happily it's just a shift over to his 'Flugzeugwerke' ID
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Good!
;)
VB
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In regards to the red edging dilemma ,restore makes these model paint markets with a felt nib. It worked good on my 1/48 von hippel blitz. I couldn't get deep in the corners though so I extracted some paint and used a brush on that and it turned out really wel
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Regarding the red edge on the tail feathers, I believe I saw somewhere (I say "I believe" Because it may have been a dream or something) that Pheon are going to reprint the tail feather edge decals.
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I would think that a Pheon reprint would have no problem selling, not only for the new Triple owners, but also for those who have the previous D.V/Va releases. It would be nice if they included edging for the D.III, as well.
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As petrov mentioned above, FCM offer pre-cut masks for Jasta 5 in their decal sets 32015 and 32016. Nice decals, low cost. Can copy the masks for multiple use. Problem solved for me at least.
S
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As petrov mentioned above, FCM offer pre-cut masks for Jasta 5 in their decal sets 32015 and 32016. Nice decals, low cost. Can copy the masks for multiple use. Problem solved for me at least.
S
Good to know! My problem will be solved by doing Jasta 10 and Jasta 11 birds :-X
RAGIII
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price for pre-order is set @ €166,50 plus shipping and VAT at wetaworkshop.com (US $ 188,98)
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WNW site has pre-order shipping July 24, woo hoo!!!! ;D ;D That date is probably the official release date so check your local shops.
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Wow!
Pre-ordered.
Shipping notice on 7/24/17 and note in my mailbox that they tried to deliver today but I was not home to accept it?
Off to the post office tomorrow morning........ :D
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My copy was delivered yesterday, sweet set. Funny thing, decals are copyrighted 2010 and PE 2015, I guess this had been in the works for a while. Wonder what else has been in the works for a while..... ;)
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I pre-ordered mine from WNW and it arrived less than 24 hours after I received(read) my email saying it shipped. I don't think a person could get from New Zealand to Canada in less than 24 hours but this box did. But alas because of value I had to pay sales tax on it, normally the individual aircraft don't trigger the sale tax but this one did.