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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RAGIII on February 08, 2017, 12:08:05 AM
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OK, I know another build is really pushing but I had to start this one ! I intend to add a few details to the cockpit but most will be OOB. I find the kit to be pretty nice overall. The fuselage construction will offer some opportunities but I can see why they did things the way they did. The bottom panel has some pretty nice stitching molded in, not possible with the standard fuselage half construction. ( Unless the stitching were done ala WNW)
I have cleaned up and assembled the wing halves. Recquired some filling and sanding. By the way, I should thank Fokker Fodder from this Forum for the great deal he gave me on this kit. I just paid shipping from Australia!
RAGIII
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Of course I will be using Aviattic interior and exterior Lozenge where required.
RAGIII
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Woo Hoo, looking forward to your progress. ;D
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Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
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Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Ditto Rick, you made out like a Bandit! I'm really looking forward to following this Build, something quite different. Markings/Finish??
Cheers,
Lance
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That should be fun, Rick. Looks like a straight forward build. Components look okay. I never bought one of these because I could not find any info about the kit when it was easily available.
Jamie
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This is going to be an interesting and different build. Looking forward to following.
Stephen.
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Looking forward to seeing you work your magic on this kit.
Des.
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That looks really nice. It will be another great model from your bench. But looks like a Roden kit. Did they release that under another name? Never heared about Avis...
Borsos
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Woo Hoo, looking forward to your progress. ;D
Thanks for the encouragement Juan!
RAGIII
Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Thanks Amigo! I have been after this one for a while but I never would have paid E Bay prices.!
RAGIII
Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Ditto Rick, you made out like a Bandit! I'm really looking forward to following this Build, something quite different. Markings/Finish??
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. Yes I am quite pleased at the price Fokker Fodder asked. $19.00 US for shipping ;D No box and missing the small acetate sheet but no big deal to me. As for the markings and colors: Jasta 6. Lozenge Fuselage, black and white striped tail. The wing will be in the 4 color scheme. As for the personal markings not sure which one I will do yet!
RAGIII
That should be fun, Rick. Looks like a straight forward build. Components look okay. I never bought one of these because I could not find any info about the kit when it was easily available.
Jamie
Thanks for the comment. I will say this. I wish I had got one years ago myself. For a limited run kit it really is nice. Obviously connected with Roden as some DR1 parts are shared.
RAGIII
This is going to be an interesting and different build. Looking forward to following.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I will try hard to live up to every ones expectations ::)
RAGIII
Looking forward to seeing you work your magic on this kit.
Des.
Thanks Des. It will be difficult to match your build but I will give it all I have. Really one of my favorite WW1 aircraft even though Historically not all that Important.
RAGIII
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That looks really nice. It will be another great model from your bench. But looks like a Roden kit. Did they release that under another name? Never heared about Avis...
Borsos
Thanks for commenting. I think the Roden connection is there as some parts like the engine are common to theTriplane. As far as I know this was the only kit released by Avis. Someone connected with Roden once commented that the Nieuport 24/27 series was originally intended for a limited run company but was put into production by Roden. My guess is that the Nieuports would have been the second Avis release. Purely conjecture on my part though!
RAGIII
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Hi Rick! That is a very "buildable" looking kit ... very safe in your capable hands! And what a great subject! I will look forward to the building process, always a source of great information and wonder... Any thoughts on the main wing finish? Dark Green or streaky 4-colour over wood or faded and maybe a combination? The choice is yours, really! Regards, Marc
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What are the details on the two colour sprayed camo Justin? That's new to me and another option (for the Wingnut release down the road) is always welcome!
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
My old friend I'm so looking forward to following along here. Keep up the excellence.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Cracking Rick!
Great to see something different... lovely subject
Guy
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Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Know you have wanted WNW to do an E V so perhaps this is the best bet now, will be following !!!!
Ed
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Hi Rick! That is a very "buildable" looking kit ... very safe in your capable hands! And what a great subject! I will look forward to the building process, always a source of great information and wonder... Any thoughts on the main wing finish? Dark Green or streaky 4-colour over wood or faded and maybe a combination? The choice is yours, really! Regards, Marc
This is certainly a very buildable kit as you said! Just look at the build Des did on the Home Page for proof! As for the wings I am going with the streaky 4 color. Green/brown uppers, blue/lilac unders. I have been at least Semi convinced this is correct since the old Aerodrome discussion. On the other hand I think there is room for interpretation since many photos just look like a plain color...Fokker Olive would be a good choice ::) It was the 4 pigments listed in the bill of lading, and the rare couple of photos that clearly showed a demarcation between colors that made me lean this way!
RAGIII
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Rick,
My old friend I'm so looking forward to following along here. Keep up the excellence.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Thanks Gregory. Always great to hear from you!
RAGIII
Cracking Rick!
Great to see something different... lovely subject
Guy
Thanks Guy. I appreciate the way you follow my builds!
RAGIII
Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Know you have wanted WNW to do an E V so perhaps this is the best bet now, will be following !!!!
Ed
Yep, A WNW EV would still be welcomed ::) That being said I think I can make this one look pretty good :-\ I appreciate the encouragement Amigo!
RAGIII
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Not a maker I've heard of before. Looks rather nice. ;D
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Nice catch, Amigo! About time! Looking forward to following this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Know you have wanted WNW to do an E V so perhaps this is the best bet now, will be following !!!!
Ed
Bud said best
Terri
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Hi Rick
I have one of these in my stash so I'll be watching
Cheers
James
Pity TVAL opted for the traditional olive green wing:
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It is a pity because you would have thought they'd have gotten that right. Oh well...
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Rick,
Looking forward to her tri-colored wing my friend. One question though,are you planning to texture the wing as well?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Rick,
Looking forward to her tri-colored wing my friend. One question though,are you planning to texture the wing as well?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Gregory,
Thanks for asking that question! I have been contemplating the texturing process. I would welcome any thoughts from my fellow modelers on how to achieve the best results!
RAGIII
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Rick,
It's not too difficult to texture the wing. What I did back in the day at Aerodrome was too draw out the internal structures then remove the plastic between then structures. I used my trusty Dremel tool too lightly dish out the spaces but you can use an knife as well. With this done you just need to sand it down a bit. Be careful if you use a Dremel not to over do it. You want slight dips visible between the internals not big ones. I hope I'm being clear enough to be understood. I still have difficulties organizing my thoughts some days.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Rick,
It's not too difficult to texture the wing. What I did back in the day at Aerodrome was too draw out the internal structures then remove the plastic between then structures. I used my trusty Dremel tool too lightly dish out the spaces but you can use an knife as well. With this done you just need to sand it down a bit. Be careful if you use a Dremel not to over do it. You want slight dips visible between the internals not big ones. I hope I'm being clear enough to be understood. I still have difficulties organizing my thoughts some days.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Thanks Gregory. Yes you were quite clear. I guess I have a whole bunch of lines to draw on the undersurface. As for the uppers I have not noticed the effect like on the unders. Is it stressed and I am just missing the effect in the photos?
RAGIII
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Rick,
I textured both the upper and lower surfaces on mine. I'm sure I asked about this on the Aerodrome at some point. Likely why I textured both.Which ever you do you'll be in for a lot of work. Looking forward to seeing what you've done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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A small update: I have begun the interior by applying Aviattic reverse four color Lozenge. I still need to paint the wood grain and tubing. By the way the lozenge is applied where it will be seen after assembly.
RAGIII
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Great effect Rick and nicely applied. Great start on a subject dear to my little heart! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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You're off to a superb start, Amigo! This one's going to be a real gem.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking good Rick, looking forward to your usual high standards and your progress.
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You're off to a superb start, Amigo! This one's going to be a real gem.
Cheers,
Bud
Yep, await more pics ...
Ed
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Great stuff Rick,
Love the subject...
Guy
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Thanks all for looking in and commenting! Here is the last Photo for the weekend/ Vacation. I go back to work tonight. The basic wood effect has been applied to the cockpit sides upper fuselage and floor using Acrylic oils. Still some touch up needed. I obviously have the frames just sitting in their relative place on the fuselage sides.
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RAGIII
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Very fine wood and losenge, Rick.
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Looking good!
Which reminds me not to forget painting the inside of the upper fuselage on my D.VII wood! :)
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Awesome update Rick, coming along wonderfully.
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Hi,
as for the two-colour banded airframe in photo, I bought a coloured print from the late great Dan-San a few years ago (then intending to build the Avia kit) and it is E.V 137/18 of Vzfw. Karl Scharon, 2 Marine Feld Jagdstaffel, Jabbecke Airfield, August 1918. He shows it with 4-colour lozenge on fuselage, yellow cowling, wheel discs, horizontal tail surfaces, and S marking on fuselage sides and dorsum. Upper wing with olive green and reddish brown bands (from left to right: brown, olive, brown, olive), lower with light blue and purple in similar relationship (purple, blue, purple, blue). Rudder and fin white with latter with yellow vertical stripes.
Cheers
GrahamB
P.S. the stripe pattern on the fin according to D-S seems at odds with the photo though.
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Thanks again Guys! Greatly appreciate the comments and support. I received my WW1 German instruments from Airscale via Sprue Brotheres a couple of days ago. So now I have what I need to complete the interior. I also will use a couple from this sheet on my other builds meaning the Voss and Richthofen Triplanes.
RAGIII
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Just catching up Rick. That interior with the lozenge and wood grain is stunning indeed. This is another of your very fine builds.
Stephen.
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Looks great so far. This is one of my want-to-build aircraft. The varied wood grain effect on the flooring is especially nice!
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Just catching up Rick. That interior with the lozenge and wood grain is stunning indeed. This is another of your very fine builds.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I always appreciate your comments.
RAGIII
Looks great so far. This is one of my want-to-build aircraft. The varied wood grain effect on the flooring is especially nice!
Thanks for looking in and commenting. I also like how the floor turned out!
RAGIII
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Looking really sharp so far Rick , wood grain turned out fantastic . You have really improved on this , well done :)
Terri
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Great progress Rick! Some lovely detail and great choice of colours... I'm learning, I'm learning! Regards, Marc
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Looking really sharp so far Rick , wood grain turned out fantastic . You have really improved on this , well done :)
Terri
Thanks T. I appreciate you dropping in!
RAGIII
Great progress Rick! Some lovely detail and great choice of colours... I'm learning, I'm learning! Regards, Marc
Thanks for the comment Monty!
RAGIII
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Looking really good Rick, your wood tones are excellent.
Des.
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I have made some progress. Just some touch up and adding all of the control wires and the interior is done. I have weathered the inside heavily. Reading and looking at photos shows that these aircraft leaked OIL down the inside and soaked through to the outside, pretty much even with a limited number of flights.
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RAGIII
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Outstanding work Rick, really coming along beautifully.
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Looking good Rick
Guy
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What a very nice interior, Rick! The reversed Tarnstoff decals look awesome as does the rest!
Andreas
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Jaun, Guy, and Andreas,
Thanks for looking in and the comments! The fuselage is now closed up. Next up filling and sanding the undersurface seams.
RAGIII
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Wow, Rick! The Fuselage looks great. I like the used look and the shine through lozegne.
Manni
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Wow, Rick! The Fuselage looks great. I like the used look and the shine through lozegne.
Manni
Thanks Manni! The real test will be how I handle the oil soaking through on the outside. Should be fairly easy with the Aviattic Lozenge! ( Hopefully).
RAGIII
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Now that my son's hockey season is almost over I can look at these great builds. This one is a beauty!!!
Steve
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Somehow I missed this build. Great job as usually, mate, your long years of experience with wire and canvas are visible in every detail!
Cheers
Ondra
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This is lovely work, Rick! I learn a lot from your builds and this in no exception. Some lovely wood, fabric and metal tones help to make this a great interior ... Regards, Marc
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That is one of the best interiors that I have seen in a long time. What a pity much of it will be invisible!! Simply first class modelling and a masterclass thrown in for all of us.
Stephen.
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Steve, Ondra, Marc, and Stephen, Thanks to all for your comments.. some may be overgenerous but are greatly appreciated ;D
Here is where I am now. The fuselage is together, all control wires and trigger wires were added to the interior. I have cut the Aviattic Lozenge to shape for application to the fuselage. So now back to the Fokker F1 and SE5a for a few days ;)
RAGIII
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Hi Rick
I am enjoying your build posts, thanks for sharing.
Here is a poor photo of one of TVAL's Fokker EVs which shows the openings in the fuselage top panel for ammo chutes. More like a Fokker DVII style than what Avis have provided? The WNW Fokker DVII kits come with spare top panels like this
Cheers
James
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Glad to see this being built rather than languishing on the shelf. Looking good.
Cheers
FF
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View of the ammo chutes from the front
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Glad to see this being built rather than languishing on the shelf. Looking good.
Cheers
FF
Thanks for dropping by! I am enjoying the build so far.
RAGIII
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View of the ammo chutes from the front
James,
Thanks for the Photos and comment. It is probably too late to make many changes to this one but with the imminent release of the Micro Mir version I will most likely do another and make the decking a bit more accurate.
RAGIII
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The latest update. I have primed with Tamiya white and sprayed the metal areas with the last of My Polyscale French/Fokker Green. Next up is the black /white tail feather stripes.
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RAGIII
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Coming along very nicely (understatement). Looking forward to your progress and saving build log shortcut.
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That's really good progress, Rick! I have my eye on the MicroMir kit and this will be the reference build!
Regards, Marc
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Thanks guys! Greatly appreciated. This will be the last update for a while on this one. I was just getting ready to go to the bench and re mask and touch up the tail feathers. Then I read Rowans post about the decals he is developing including a full line of Jasta 6 EVs with stripes and cowl Tulips! I know when to wait for better results 8)
RAGIII
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Good progress Amigo and wise decision to wait for Rowan's decals.
Ed
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Good progress Amigo and wise decision to wait for Rowan's decals.
Ed
Wholeheartedly agree. Awesome progress, looking forward to you picking back up on this one.
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Good progress Amigo and wise decision to wait for Rowan's decals.
Ed
Wholeheartedly agree. Awesome progress, looking forward to you picking back up on this one.
Well guys, I decided there was no need to totally abandon this one. After all there were oil stains and Aviattic lozenge to apply! So here is the update. I have used oils to do the stains and have applied the Aviattic 4 color lower surface lozenge over the base and stains. Next up the fuselage top.
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RAGIII
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Looking very good Rick, I'm anxiously awaiting my Micro-Mir one which, hopefully, is in the mail system somewhere! (the tracking number provided is "dead"!)
Do you have a source or does anyone here have a link for some original or informed reference to the 4 colour wing scheme? I'm still a bit skeptical of that theory and like others, have real trouble seeing any colour differences in the common photos.
Cheers,
Lance
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Missed out on this for a while - this is really uo to your usual standard Rick. The oil stains and lozenge finsh are wonderful - cannot wait to read more. (Just hope those transfers are not too long arriving….)
Stephen.
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Rick,
This is shaping up to be a very nice looking Razor - keep up the good work ;)
vB
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Lance, I found an (I fully believe to be) original, low-angle starboard rear quarter photo of D.VIII "Yellow 5" (actually, the "5" might be white) on the 'net that clearly shows light/dark camo pattern on the wing top. Lmk your email address & I'll send it to you.
In the mean time, you might wish to google "Fokker Team Schorndorf" and have a look at the interpretation of a small band of dedicated enthusiasts.
Hth, Rob
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Rob,
[email protected]
........and much appreciated. Thanks for the Google Ref. as well!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, Shot out, as gunners would say. . .
Hth, Rob
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Looks great Rick. Looking for what is coming next. 8)
Manni
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Rob,
[email protected]
........and much appreciated. Thanks for the Google Ref. as well!
Cheers,
Lance
Lance here is one thread that shows how the camo sort of disappears in the low light and angle of the photo. I have another of the old drome threads. Hope you can access them 8)
RAGIII
PS: Both have shots of replica and even RC aircraft I think. There is a great shot of the DVIII wing tested to destruction also that clearly shows a camo demarcation. I was convinced way back when but still have that nagging doubt....
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44497
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13469
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I just found your build, since I haven't browsed the forum for awhile. It looks great so far. I'll be watching it!
Thanks for the excellent Aerodrome links too.
Peter
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coming out quite nicely rick
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beautiful model, excellent choice, :)
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It has been some time since I last drop by to see how progress was coming along and they are coming along very well so far . I really like how the pit turned out and the oil staining is very convincing . Well done so far . Fit of the kit looks pretty good so far .
Terri
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Rick and Rob,
Thanks very much for the perspectives in the links you provided, lots of new (to me) stuff and I gotta admit my mind is somewhat changed as a result. Obviously some, in fact more then a few, had the streaked contrasting stain applied, and I think I'm convinced enough to change my finishing plans for it. So much to learn about this hobby and I always enjoy new sources and info. I'm still anxiously awaiting my Kit from the Ukraine, originally estimated by 15 May.
Cheers,
Lance
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Great work. Looking forward to the wing!!!!!!!! I love the smell of wing varnish in the morning....smells like......debate
Steve
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Great work. Looking forward to the wing!!!!!!!! I love the smell of wing varnish in the morning....smells like......debate
Steve
Teen spirit?
Richard
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Making progress, looking good Amigo.
Ed
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Looking great Rick, look forward to your next installment.
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Great work. Looking forward to the wing!!!!!!!! I love the smell of wing varnish in the morning....smells like......debate
Steve
Teen spirit?
Richard
Thanks to all for looking in and commenting! Controversy is a good thing 8) I still feel strongly both ways ::) I am 100% convinced that whatever process Fokker used on the EV left a streaky appearance but not the same as seen on DR1s' and DVIIs'. I am 60 to 75% convinced the 4 dyes were used to camo the wings. So any discussion of pros and cons is appreciated!
RAGIII
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So, the lozenge is applied with very few issues. I have some minor touch up to do and will add some more oil stains here and there.
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RAGIII
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Wow Rick, that is really looking great.
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Looks super! I really like the oil stains on the underside.
Peter
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Wow Rick, that is really looking great.
Thanks for following and commenting Juan!
RAGIII
Looks super! I really like the oil stains on the underside.
Peter
Thanks Peter. Greatly appreciate the comments.
RAGIII
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Looking great - love the J6 tail stripes!!
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Looking absolutely great Rick. My Mikr Mir Kit just arrived however I think I'll delay starting it pending availability of the Pheon Decals. I've ordered the Wingnut Wings UR.II Sprue to replace the Kit engine and have Gaspatch Guns and HGW D.VII belts on hand for it. I'll be referring to your Build Log here once I get going on it. Your staining BTW is exceptionally well done.
Cheers,
Lance
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The stains look great, Rick, excellent job!
Cheers
Ondra
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Looking great - love the J6 tail stripes!!
Thanks, although the tail stripes as applied need some touch up! Debating if I will fix them myself or wait on Pheons decals ::)
RAGIII
Looking absolutely great Rick. My Mikr Mir Kit just arrived however I think I'll delay starting it pending availability of the Pheon Decals. I've ordered the Wingnut Wings UR.II Sprue to replace the Kit engine and have Gaspatch Guns and HGW D.VII belts on hand for it. I'll be referring to your Build Log here once I get going on it. Your staining BTW is exceptionally well done.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks for looking in and the comments Lance! I figured I would continue as started at least until I reach the personal marking point. Honestly I think I can finish this one and just add the black white petals to the cowl, and the personal markings when Pheon releases their decals. I also have some Gaspatch MGs to use on this one. I probably will order that WNW sprue myself... times about 3. ;D
RAGIII
The stains look great, Rick, excellent job!
Cheers
Ondra
Thanks Ondra, always great to have you along!
RAGIII
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Looks great!!!
Steve
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Great work. Looking forward for the next steps.
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Looks great!!!
Steve
Thanks Steve. I hope to do a little more this weekend.
RAGIII
Great work. Looking forward for the next steps.
Thanks for looking in and commenting. Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
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Hi Rick,
Model looks gorgeous. Decal design almost done and will be sent to print by Saturday. My hospital stay was extended a bit due to a post-operation infection, which gave me a nasty dose of Toxic Shock Syndrome - that nearly ended decal production for good! Well on the mend now and the Camels arrived this afternoon, so after the EV they'll be next. Will post details of all E.V options in the next day or two. Will release two sets to get the most coverage and keep prices sensible. Five options for Jasta 6 on one set with a couple of others and the other set will have another six options - I think you will be happy with the selections!
Rowan
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Hi Rick,
Model looks gorgeous. Decal design almost done and will be sent to print by Saturday. My hospital stay was extended a bit due to a post-operation infection, which gave me a nasty dose of Toxic Shock Syndrome - that nearly ended decal production for good! Well on the mend now and the Camels arrived this afternoon, so after the EV they'll be next. Will post details of all E.V options in the next day or two. Will release two sets to get the most coverage and keep prices sensible. Five options for Jasta 6 on one set with a couple of others and the other set will have another six options - I think you will be happy with the selections!
Rowan
Thanks for comment and the update Rowan, and I am sure I will be more than pleased. Who knows there could be a WNW version someday in addition to the Mikro Mir and Avis kit 8)
RAGIII
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Yes - this is fantastic news - cannot wait to see what decal options are presented! Sorry to hear of your illness/hospital stay Rowan - glad to hear you are on the mend now!
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Rowan,
That's a nasty development, happily you are past it now! Your update on the E.V / D.VIII Set is most welcome news, I look forward to the details.
Take your time with the recovery process, none of us are as young and spry as we think!
Cheers,
Lance
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A small update: I have been working on the Engine. From a Roden DR1 but pretty much Identical to the kit.
RAGIII
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Staining looks RIGHT, not all the same !
Ed
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Very nice staining, looks perfectly realistic!
Cheers
Ondra
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Excellent work on the Razor, Rick ;)
Keep it coming 8)
vB
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This one is coming on really well - the engine looks just the part!
Stephen.
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fantastic work - coming right along!!
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Cracking job Rick,
Well done!
Guy
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Thanks Guys! The landing gear struts proved to be MORE than challenging. My solution was to use the struts from an abandoned Roden Fokker DVI and cut a slot in the axle wing to accept them.
RAGIII
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PS: Here is my assessment. If you have the skills replace the gear struts with tubing. I am still not sure the struts will hold the model once the wing is added. If like me you don't have the skills for metal struts , prepare and use a jig. My main issue was having struts splay in every direction but where I wanted them to go :-[
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Rick,
Outstanding decals my old friend.
Highest Regards
Gregory Jouette.
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Looks great Rick . I wish aviattic would have been around when i built this kit. I used Doug Baumann lozenge which at the time was the best looking stuff you could get. Especially in 1/32
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Rick,
You are doing well working through the shortcomings of this Kit. I'm wrestling with the Mikr Mir version as well, fit issues with the fuselage are driving me to distraction the past few sessions and I'm still not "out of the woods"! Did you have to make adjustments or modifications to get the upper deck metal portion to fit? Mine is a really bad match.
As you have suggested I'm probably going with brass struts for the landing gear and the wings.
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
Outstanding decals my old friend.
Highest Regards
Gregory Jouette.
Thanks for looking in and the comment Gregory!
RAGIII
Looks great Rick . I wish aviattic would have been around when i built this kit. I used Doug Baumann lozenge which at the time was the best looking stuff you could get. Especially in 1/32
Thanks Scott! Aviattic has certainly made a very large and very much appreciated difference in our 1/32nd scale modeling!
RAGIII
Rick,
You are doing well working through the shortcomings of this Kit. I'm wrestling with the Mikr Mir version as well, fit issues with the fuselage are driving me to distraction the past few sessions and I'm still not "out of the woods"! Did you have to make adjustments or modifications to get the upper deck metal portion to fit? Mine is a really bad match.
As you have suggested I'm probably going with brass struts for the landing gear and the wings.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance! I do not recall any major issues with the upper decking. That being said a look at the Macro Photos show my fit is not perfect! I used the firewall to make sure all of the fuselage was assembled as square as possible. IIRC, the decking fit fairly well once all was aligned to the firewall.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I don't have the firewall installed yet (still struggling with the bottom fuselage panel!) and there'll be a lot of filling and sanding generated by that step!
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice Rick. It looks very promising!
Andreas
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Great work, Rick.
Sad that the wing will cover most of the cockpit.
Manni
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Very very good.
Adam.
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It really looks great, good job, Rick!
Following your progress with great interest, makes me want to build one as well. :)
Cheers
Ondra
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Really glad you are tacking this Rick, looking forward to your treatment on the wings.
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Thanks for all of the comments and encouragement Guys! My first attempt at the undersurface of the wing camo.
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Looks great, Rick! I may have missed it earlier, but what wood-colored undercoat and camo colors did you use?
Peter
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Rick,
Looks fantastic my old friend. Keep the excellent progress.
Highest Regards
Gregory Jouette
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Looks great, Rick! I may have missed it earlier, but what wood-colored undercoat and camo colors did you use?
Peter
Peter,
I used a Gunze Buff for the base. The light blue is Cerrulian blue mixed with white and a touch of black. I added red to that mix for the violet.
RAGIII
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Looking good Rick, c'est magnifique. :D
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Rick,
Looks fantastic my old friend. Keep the excellent progress.
Highest Regards
Gregory Jouette
Thanks Gregory!
RAGIII
Looking good Rick, c'est magnifique. :D
Thanks Juan, I appreciate the support!
RAGIII
PS: I have re- painted a little on the wing. Photos tomorrow!
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This all looks so great! Very nice!
Steve
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Here are the photos of the wing after a little re-paint and slight color change to the violet.
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The wing looks very nice.
Regards.
Jacek
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The wing looks very nice.
Regards.
Jacek
Thanks Jacek. The wings have dried so now I can look at doing the Uppers!
RAGIII
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Lovely bit of painting there Rick. The SE looks very good too!
Stephen.
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Lovely bit of painting there Rick. The SE looks very good too!
Stephen.
Thanks, and here is the first painting of the upper surface camo.
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Really like Amigo !
Ed
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Well played sir!
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Well done, Rick, the streaking looks very convincing!
Did you use oil paint for the streaking effect?
Ondra
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Very nicely done Rick, it really looks the part.
Des.
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Great wing, Rick!
Borsos
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Really like Amigo !
Ed
Thanks Ed! Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
Well done, Rick, the streaking looks very convincing!
Did you use oil paint for the streaking effect?
Ondra
Thanks for the comment and continuing to follow my build Ondra!
RAGIII
Very nicely done Rick, it really looks the part.
Des.
Thanks Des, as always I appreciate your comments!
RAGIII
Great wing, Rick!
Borsos
Thanks for looking in and commenting Andreas!
RAGIII
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Looking mighty fine Rick, I really envy you your completed fuselage assembly as I'm still mired down in the basics on mine, and it's ugly! I'll get a few photos on here shortly. The wing streaking looks very "real" to me, and I especially like the green and brown colours you've come up with!
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking mighty fine Rick, I really envy you your completed fuselage assembly as I'm still mired down in the basics on mine, and it's ugly! I'll get a few photos on here shortly. The wing streaking looks very "real" to me, and I especially like the green and brown colours you've come up with!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance! In the end I am certain your skills will eclipse my attempt by far!
RAGIII
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Well done, Rick, the streaking looks very convincing!
Did you use oil paint for the streaking effect?
Ondra
Ondra, I am sorry I missed your question originally. Yes Oils were used. Cerullian blue, Harrison red, olive green, white, black and some light green.
RAGIII
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This looks bang on based on the reference material available. Its just my eye is still having trouble with the actually" look". I'm not disbelieving just adjusting....
Steve
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This looks bang on based on the reference material available. Its just my eye is still having trouble with the actually" look". I'm not disbelieving just adjusting....
Steve
Thanks Steve I really appreciate the comments! As for "Disbelieving", hell I am only half convinced this is correct 8)
RAGIII
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Definitely looks spot on - nice streaking effect!
I also have some challenges with seeing the divisions of color in the period pics of the DVIII - there are a few that I THINK I can see it but there are just as many that look pretty uniform. In particular the underside of the wing is hard to tell much of anything - most cases it looks very dark but I guess shadows etc....
I really wonder why the recent reproduction DVIII now at TVAL went with the solid color wings - do they question the current prevailing thoughts on four color wings?
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fantabulous rick
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Definitely looks spot on - nice streaking effect!
I also have some challenges with seeing the divisions of color in the period pics of the DVIII - there are a few that I THINK I can see it but there are just as many that look pretty uniform. In particular the underside of the wing is hard to tell much of anything - most cases it looks very dark but I guess shadows etc....
I really wonder why the recent reproduction DVIII now at TVAL went with the solid color wings - do they question the current prevailing thoughts on four color wings?
I think the Jury is still out on this one. Like you said some photos show demarcations and some do not. I am pretty convinced that the stains used created a streaked effect, clearly shows on closeups of Jasta 6 birds. Whether it was multi colored....the list of ingrediants for finishing the wing is the biggest pro. But could the brown and green been mixed for the uppers, and the violet and blue for the unders?
No one can deny any possibility unless futher evidence shows up, IMHO!
RAGIII
fantabulous rick
Thanks Scott! Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
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Your E.V looks really good, the streaking on the wings nicely done.
Cheers,
Frank
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Your E.V looks really good, the streaking on the wings nicely done.
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks for looking in and commenting Frank!
RAGIII
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Thanks Guys! The landing gear struts proved to be MORE than challenging. My solution was to use the struts from an abandoned Roden Fokker DVI and cut a slot in the axle wing to accept them.
RAGIII
PS: Here is my assessment. If you have the skills replace the gear struts with tubing. I am still not sure the struts will hold the model once the wing is added. If like me you don't have the skills for metal struts , prepare and use a jig. My main issue was having struts splay in every direction but where I wanted them to go :-[
Just thought I would throw this in here as I just noticed I MISSED this in Rowans post on his decals:
"An assembly jig for the top wing and undercarriage is included in each set as self-adhesive labels, to be applied to 2mm+ card. The jig parts may then be cut out and glued together. We hope this will prove a popular and useful aid, given the multiplicity of individual thin struts and precarious nature of the top wing mounting. "
So the jigs are being prepared and IMHO will certainly be a great aid in assembling this kit! Worth waiting for if you aren't in a hurry to build an EV/DVIII !
RAGIII
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Thanks for the heads-up Rick, have preordered my decals (cannot wait to see them). ;D
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I tried to apply one of the Mikro Mir wing crosses and it split into three pieces. SO a heads up, SEAL them first if you want to use Mikro Mir decals. A better solution, PHEON! Since I do not want to attach the wing until the crosses are in place I assembled the Mikro Mir wing to experiment with another painting method. I used water color pencils for the streaky / stained effect. Opinions are welcomed!
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" A better solution, PHEON!"
Well Rick, looks like the decals, as the Kit itself, are less then ideal! I've pre-ordered the Pheon Decals as well, and the ones in the box will stay there......
The effect of the coloured pencils on your wing looks promising, I think I'll experiment on some scrap a bit however it does create the effect of a stain over paint or varnish quite nicely. I'm also "warming" to the two vs. three coloured approach as proposed by Bughunter, it just seems far too logical an interpretation to not consider seriously.
Looking good! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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" A better solution, PHEON!"
Well Rick, looks like the decals, as the Kit itself, are less then ideal! I've pre-ordered the Pheon Decals as well, and the ones in the box will stay there......
The effect of the coloured pencils on your wing looks promising, I think I'll experiment on some scrap a bit however it does create the effect of a stain over paint or varnish quite nicely. I'm also "warming" to the two vs. three coloured approach as proposed by Bughunter, it just seems far too logical an interpretation to not consider seriously.
Looking good! :)
Cheers,
Lance
I also like Bughunters theory with one Caveat. The amount of stain listed in the drawing was Just enough using all four colors to cover the wing. Providing I remember all of the discussions on the Drome regarding Achims' build correctly.
RAGIII
PS: Another theory could be that the brown and green were mixed and used on the uppers, and the Violet and blue mixed for the unders. After all there is no real proof that all EVs had a division between colors, at least in my opinion ::) That being said I am going to stick with the 4 color as you probably can tell 8)
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Rick,
I meant to say "three vs. four colours", that is green and violet upper per the Albatros technique and blue only on the lower from the same pattern. That matching the interpretation that the green was mixed with the brown to provide a dark green/brown. It makes sense to me however it's only one of several (and probably/possibly more informed) theories out there. I'm the first to admit that this plan of mine is presently cast in warm runny "puppy poop"! ::) :o
Cheers!
Lance
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I prefer your first wing but the experiment with the water colour pencils is interesting. The first wing seems a little "smoother" Part of my preference may be based on still trying to get used to the whole look in general.
Steve
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Those water color pencils really look good, Rick. I think they are a good tool. Regarding the color question ... well, I think I'll wait until you and Lance finished your and his D VIIIs and compare them with Franks - and then take the wing colors that look best for my taste :)
Borsos
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Looks really good Rick, whatever floats your boat is what I would use as Mr. Peabody's Wayback machine is not currently working (LOL). Beautiful as always. :D
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I cannot comment on the colours - I simply do not have the reference material and anyway we are all aware of the pitfalls that surround this topic…… The streaking effect with the crayons looks good but I am not sure whether it is better than your earlier attempt. Photographs do not always do justice to that kind of effect - I would prefer to see the real thing if I could. Either way you must choose - and either method will be vastly better than anything that I could do!
Stephen.
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Thanks for the feedback guys! I tried the pencils because I was after something that would look "More" like stain soaked into the wood leaving a streaky appearance vs an actual Streaked Paint on purpose look 8) I am encouraged by the results. By the way I got the idea from Warren who used the water color pencils for his 1/72nd Fokker F1 103/17.
RAGIII
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Great News, at least for Me! I stopped at the Mail Box on my way home from working third shift last night and My Pheon decals were in the box! So, Like Lance this build will become active again soon! I have 11 days of Vacation coming up starting on Thursday so hopefully some progress will be Made on this kit as well as my New Albatros build.
RAGIII
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I too like the water color pencil look. Gives it a home spun hand made look. I have this kit in the stash and would like to build it soon, so I am watching both you and Lance break ground on it here.
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I started to apply the Pheon decals today. I used the Pheon tail stripes over my painted ones to sharpen the edges. I am surprised that I was as close to being correct as I was ::)
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Great stuff. They performed well by the looks of them!!
Steve
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Great stuff. They performed well by the looks of them!!
Steve
Thanks Steve. Yes the decals are terrific as always. Just a small amount of trimming needed on the undersurface to remove excess on the stripe.
RAGIII
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Rick, Got mine on as well, and we've chosen the same scheme. When did you sneak the gear on? Now I am definitely behind your progress! Looking very good!
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick, Got mine on as well, and we've chosen the same scheme. When did you sneak the gear on? Now I am definitely behind your progress! Looking very good!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. I "snuck the gear on" on page 8 of this thread ::) It was a trying process that defeated me so I modified the Roden DVI gear to fit the EV by cutting a slot in the axle wing :( The next one should be easier with Rowans jig, fingers crossed! I think I am going to strip my first wing and go with Pheons camo pattern so you will certainly get ahead of me!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I'd completely forgotten that you'd substituted the Roden struts earlier. I'm going to attempt your suggested method with brass struts if possible, more to follow! Yours looks great as is, hopefully it will prove strong enough!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Rick, I'd completely forgotten that you'd substituted the Roden struts earlier. I'm going to attempt your suggested method with brass struts if possible, more to follow! Yours looks great as is, hopefully it will prove strong enough!
Cheers,
Lance
As for strength I have at least tried balancing the wing on the fuselage and it doesn't appear to offer any fatigue in the gear. That being said I don't think this will ever be a kit that one can handle a lot. I plan to rig and decal everything but the aileron control wires prior to mounting the wing.
RAGIII
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Looking outstanding Rick: I will be interested to see how the PHEON wing decals work for you. Great scheme.
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Looking outstanding Rick: I will be interested to see how the PHEON wing decals work for you. Great scheme.
Thanks for the comment Mark! As fr the wing decals my plan is to use the kit decal for a pattern. Cut it at the aileron and then match it to the Pheon cross and cut. That way I will not risk screwing up the good ones 8)
RAGIII
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Rick,
I had great results placing the ailerons (pinned) on the wing, then sliding the Pheon Decals into position and cutting them at the hinge line once in place and "blotted down". The extra overhang then dropped down into the opening between wing and aileron with just enough "wraparound" to look complete.
I need to get a few photos onto my Build Log, the decals worked great.
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
I had great results placing the ailerons (pinned) on the wing, then sliding the Pheon Decals into position and cutting them at the hinge line once in place and "blotted down". The extra overhang then dropped down into the opening between wing and aileron with just enough "wraparound" to look complete.
I need to get a few photos onto my Build Log, the decals worked great.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks for the heads up on your technique Lance. I may get brave enough to try it out ::) Here is one more photo:
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RAGIII
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Looking Good ! Finish is in sight !
Ed
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Great looking fuselage, Rick, and the decals suit it very nicely. Not too long and you can entirely concentrate on your Albatros D III ;)
Andreas
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Wow Rick, my expectations of you are high, and you never disappoint.
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Looking Good ! Finish is in sight !
Ed
Thanks Amigo. I still have to get the upper wing on and in a way that it stays on ;D
RAGIII
Great looking fuselage, Rick, and the decals suit it very nicely. Not too long and you can entirely concentrate on your Albatros D III ;)
Andreas
Thanks for Commenting Andreas! As for the DIII I have spent all of today playing with the interior 8)
RAGIII
Wow Rick, my expectations of you are high, an you never disappoint.
Thanks for the very kind comment Juan!
RAGIII
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Wow Rick, my expectations of you are high, an you never disappoint.
I completely agree with Juan: your models always set a very high standard and this is no exception.
Stephen.
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Wow Rick, my expectations of you are high, an you never disappoint.
I completely agree with Juan: your models always set a very high standard and this is no exception.
Stephen.
Thanks for looking in and the very nice comment!
RAGIII
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Looking good Rick! 8)
Guy
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Looking good Rick! 8)
Guy
Thanks for looking in Guy! I appreciate the comment.
RAGIII
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looks pretty damn good if i do say so myself. excellent work rick
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Hi Rick, just a quick note to confirm Lance's technique on cutting the decals across the aileron hinge line, been doing that for years on my stuff, works great. Regards, Pete.
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Great work, Rick. The Fokker looks great. Outstanding work on the decals.
Bye,
Manni
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looks pretty damn good if i do say so myself. excellent work rick
Thanks Scott, greatly appreciate the comment!
RAGIII
Hi Rick, just a quick note to confirm Lance's technique on cutting the decals across the aileron hinge line, been doing that for years on my stuff, works great. Regards, Pete.
Thanks for looking in. I have done this myself in the past but thought the gap might be too large to do it on this one. Re thinking now ::)
RAGIII
Great work, Rick. The Fokker looks great. Outstanding work on the decals.
Bye,
Manni
Thanks for the comment Manni! Greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
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Outstanding Rick, she is looking really good. ;D
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Rick,
Just checking in today and catching up a bit. I can't help but believe that this EV will be your best work yet. From the beginning to now it's nothing short of Outstandingly Awesome my old friend. Keep the Highest Excellence!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Outstanding Rick, she is looking really good. ;D
Thanks Juan. I always appreciate that you follow my builds!
RAGIII
Rick,
Just checking in today and catching up a bit. I can't help but believe that this EV will be your best work yet. From the beginning to now it's nothing short of Outstandingly Awesome my old friend. Keep the Highest Excellence!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Those are very generous and encouraging words Gregory! But lets wait to make sure I get the wing on permanently ;D
RAGIII
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The Cabane tripod strut has me thinking of ways to make it accurate. My current plan is to build the jig, use a strut I have from the Fokker DVI( the long one), and running it from its fuselage location to the wing, obviously cutting to length but leaving enough over to drill a location hole in the wing. I then plan to trim the inverted V strut arrangement to meet it near the wing like on the original. Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated.
RAGIII
PS: If you have trouble picturing what I am saying look at the WNW DVII tripod. It shows what is needed. I decided a few visual aids would be better":
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The Eduard 1/48th EV tripod to wing mount:
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Rick,
I went the opposite way in that the "long" strut on mine meets the "V" strut as the Mikr Mir Instructions and the model parts indicate. I've stared holes through a lot of the photos in the data File and can't say which of the two choices is correct........... but the 3 View Drawings indicate your interpretation is correct. I think you'll find that to use the Jig you'll need the "V" portion of the assembly anchored in first to be able to accurately determine the length of the "long" strut unless you can install the rear and "long" struts permanently at the correct sweep; the Jig should provide that. Here's a couple of shots of mine which I haven't posted to my Build Log yet to illustrate. I should have checked this out on Jamo's Photos of the TVAL Replicas; I'll do that later today.
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Cheers,
Lance
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That reads a bit like scratch building Rick. Who knows, in a short time you may even be giving one a go! (Hopefully!!)
Stephen.
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That reads a bit like scratch building Rick. Who knows, in a short time you may even be giving one a go! (Hopefully!!)
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen for looking in. As for scratch building...who knows I may take the plunge someday ::)
RAGIII
Lance,
Thanks for the input. I still have a few days before my work rotation ends so I am just in the planning stages right now.
RAGIII
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Lance and all,
Here is a photo pulled from a net search. As always if this violates any ones copyright I will happily remove the photo
RAGII
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No doubt about what connects to what in that shot, Rick! I'm leaving mine as is; looks like I'll have to do another to get it right! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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No doubt about what connects to what in that shot, Rick! I'm leaving mine as is; looks like I'll have to do another to get it right! :o
Cheers,
Lance
Wise decision to leave yours as is. Not many will notice the difference anyway. At least we know yours is going to stay attached to the fuselage ;D
RAGIII
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Man there's no end of the hurdles on this kit!! Watching with interest - and a little trepidation.....
Steve
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For what it's worth, here's a closer look at the wing tripod on Achim Engels' replica:
Tony P
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Man there's no end of the hurdles on this kit!! Watching with interest - and a little trepidation.....
Steve
Yes there are some Hurdles involved. Most of them fall into the "Low" Hurdle race like getting the parts cleaned up, fitting the framework, sprucing up the interior, and assembling the fuselage. Takes work but not that difficult. It is the Landing gear assembly and wing strut/ wing attachment that are in the "High" Hurdle realm ::)
RAGIII
For what it's worth, here's a closer look at the wing tripod on Achim Engels' replica:
Tony P
Thanks Tony! One can't have too many references. I went to Achims site and saw some good stuff for my next EV :o
http://www.collectors-edition.de/f-t-s_zeichnungen_FokkerDVIII_english.htm
RAGIII
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excellent work as per usual.
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excellent work as per usual.
Thanks Scott!
RAGIII
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Lance and all,
Here is a photo pulled from a net search. As always if this violates any ones copyright I will happily remove the photo
RAGII
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I was just looking at this photo to confirm something that I thought was correct. The black "Line/stripe" at the rear of the cwling looks to be the retaining strap... perhaps painted black?
RAGIII
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Hello Rick,
The cowling is secured by a cable, not a strap, you can see its end against the black lower portion of the cowling in James' photo. I believe that the black painted strip lies behind the cowling, at the junction with the fuselage. On the kit this area is represented by the thick plastic firewall part.
At least that was my interpretation when I designed the decals. The black strip is provided as a black line decal - probably easier to cut into two pieces for ease of application.
Rowan
PS. It is worth noting that the Vintage Aviator got the tail markings wrong - unusual for them. Compare with the Jasta 6 Lineup photo - it was the same stripe configuration for Jasta 6's Dr.Is.
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Are these of any use? I'm not sure what resolution they go to as I took them with my cellphone:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4128/35511540532_14fd167cd7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W72VNd)70AA08EE-C31A-4832-8DA9-3B398499E10B_zpsjakkzosh (https://flic.kr/p/W72VNd) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83399146@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4260/34839635674_09c052d5c4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V5EeTG)8C7CB071-6999-482C-99CF-AB0D8D79F648_zps49miffmt (https://flic.kr/p/V5EeTG) by Zac Yates (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83399146@N05/), on Flickr
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Looking at your work makes me want to build another day. E.V/D.VIII;)
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Hello Rick,
The cowling is secured by a cable, not a strap, you can see its end against the black lower portion of the cowling in James' photo. I believe that the black painted strip lies behind the cowling, at the junction with the fuselage. On the kit this area is represented by the thick plastic firewall part.
At least that was my interpretation when I designed the decals. The black strip is provided as a black line decal - probably easier to cut into two pieces for ease of application.
Rowan
PS. It is worth noting that the Vintage Aviator got the tail markings wrong - unusual for them. Compare with the Jasta 6 Lineup photo - it was the same stripe configuration for Jasta 6's Dr.Is.
Thanks for the response Rowan. I was going to use the PE part Eduard provided for the Encore Triplane but your response and the photos have changed my mind. I will use your decal stripes as directions indicate!
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Are these of any use? I'm not sure what resolution they go to as I took them with my cellphone:
Yes, Your photos have helped to convince me to follow directions on the decals ::)
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Looking at your work makes me want to build another day. E.V/D.VIII;)
Thanks Filip! I would love to see a Razor from your talented hands!
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Just to show I haven't abandoned this build. I attached the elevator this weekend: I need to do some touch up on the white paint portion of the stripes from my original painting vs decals.
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That looks really super Rick Hopefully it will not be too long before this is finished.
Stephen.
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Looking really good Rick, looking forward to your progress. :D
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That looks really super Rick Hopefully it will not be too long before this is finished.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen.
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Looking really good Rick, looking forward to your progress. :D
Thanks for the comment Juan.
I hope to do some work on this one this weekend. I have been looking at photos and searching the net for further info. Looking through my photos taken off of the Aerodrome and other sites I came up with these. I remember that the wing being tested to destruction photos is what convinced me of the Multi color theory in the first place. Looking closely one can see that this is the undersurface and there are for whatever reason 2 colors( grey shades), evident. I will therefore stick to the Conjectural scheme offered by Rowan of Pheon. Obviously this in NO WAY proves that ALL EV/DVIII wings were Multi colored!
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I also pulled this photo from the web. It shows a "Patch" that looks to me to be an access panel as seen on Jasta 6 DR1 fighters.
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As always if these photos violate anyones copyright I will be happy to remove them.
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Rick,
You are certainly doing your "homework" on this Build and it's looking very nice as well. I noticed the photo of the "patch" in the Data File after I finished mine, I'll leave it as is to represent the aircraft before the extra access panel was installed!
Great work so far and looking forward to seeing how you paint/shade that wing.
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
You are certainly doing your "homework" on this Build and it's looking very nice as well. I noticed the photo of the "patch" in the Data File after I finished mine, I'll leave it as is to represent the aircraft before the extra access panel was installed!
Great work so far and looking forward to seeing how you paint/shade that wing.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. I also saw the photo first in the Data File. When I found the photo on a Fokker EV image site I figured it was worth posting. I figure this will be the only one I build for a while so I am trying to get it correct.
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I finally got up the nerve to assemble the jig. This proved to be easier than I had feared ;D That being said I have run into an issue. As most know I had progressed rather far along in my build when the decals and jig were released. The jig is designed for use without the tail plane attached. Mine is solidly glued into position! The result is that the fuselage doesn't rest as it should into D. As I see things I have two choices.
1. Remove the tail plane and use the jig as designed. This could result in damage to the paint and decals on the tail.
2. Try to adjust the height of jig part D to allow for the tail plane.
Any suggestions are appreciated!
Just to be certain all understand this is in no way a problem with the jig!!
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Rick, you've got a couple of options, I'd say:
1 Remove the rear cradle support, measure the distance between the tailplane and the base plate and add a new support or
2 Remove the rear cradle and tape the fuselage to the baseplate to hold it in place.
On balance, I'd go with option 1!
Love the colours on the underside - just as I'd expect to see them.
Rowan
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Rick, you've got a couple of options, I'd say:
1 Remove the rear cradle support, measure the distance between the tailplane and the base plate and add a new support or
2 Remove the rear cradle and tape the fuselage to the baseplate to hold it in place.
On balance, I'd go with option 1!
Love the colours on the underside - just as I'd expect to see them.
Rowan
Thanks for the quick response Rowan! If I am reading your suggestion correctly:
I am going to remove support D allowing the fuselage to drop into proper place on C. I will then measure the distance from the fuselage to base and replace D with a new support cut to the proper height?
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I have repainted the Wing. I decided to go with the conjectural pattern on Rowans/Pheons decal sheet instructions. I used Tamiya sand and then Polyscale Acrylics for the Green, Violet, Brown, and blue. I am happy with my results.
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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4506/37142247010_3fcc38df36_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YA8J29)DSCF6680 (https://flic.kr/p/YA8J29) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4395/37368822012_264fbcfd79_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YW9YSG)DSCF6690 (https://flic.kr/p/YW9YSG) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4513/37369187472_024b7fe27c_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YWbRvJ)DSCF6699 (https://flic.kr/p/YWbRvJ) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
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I have progressed on this one since this morning. I have added the wing crosses, Fuselage serial numbers, and the black stripe behind the cowling. I also realized that after mixing a little AT&SF blue to the polyscale Mauve that I had put it aside and used the straight from the bottle paint on the underside. I went back and streaked some of the more lilac mixture over the Mauve. I also added the inspection panel to the left side of the fuselage.
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Wow Rick, your wings are sublime. Pure work of art. Looking forward to your progress on this beauty. :D
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Tip top work, Rick ;)
Always a pleasure to scope out your builds ;)
vB
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Wow Rick, your wings are sublime. Pure work of art. Looking forward to your progress on this beauty. :D
Thanks for the kind comments Juan!
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Tip top work, Rick ;)
Always a pleasure to scope out your builds ;)
vB
Thanks for dropping by and the generous comment von B!
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Top notch Rick!
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Top notch Rick!
Thanks for dropping in and commenting Filip!
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Really good looking bird coming together!!
Steve
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Really good looking bird coming together!!
Steve
Thanks for commenting Steve! Greatly appreciated.
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Looking good, not much longer Amigo !
Ed
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I just read through the whole thread, wow, that is already one great looking model!
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I just read through the whole thread, wow, that is already one great looking model!
Thanks for catching up and your very positive comment!
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This is getting better with every post. I am waiting on the edge of my seat to see how you fix the top wing and have my fingers crossed for you that it will go well.
Stephen.
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Looking good, not much longer Amigo !
Ed
Thanks Amigo! As for Not Much longer it depends on how much time I put into my other 3 projects ;D
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This is getting better with every post. I am waiting on the edge of my seat to see how you fix the top wing and have my fingers crossed for you that it will go well.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I started toying with the struts this afternoon. We shall see how things go!
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Wow, you are on the finishing line, Rick. Very nice to see this getting closer and closer to being complete. I cross my finger for the strut installment.
Andreas
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Very nice work, Rick, as always your build is a pure joy to follow!
Cheers
Ondra
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Wow, you are on the finishing line, Rick. Very nice to see this getting closer and closer to being complete. I cross my finger for the strut installment.
Andreas
Thanks Andreas! I think I have the struts figured out...Fingers Crossed!!
RAGIII
Very nice work, Rick, as always your build is a pure joy to follow!
Cheers
Ondra
Thanks Ondra, As always I appreciate you following my builds!
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Some may notice a very slight change in the Thread subject. I have changed this to read Avis/Mikro Mir as I have decided to use the Mikro Mir wing. This effectively makes the Avis kit the same as the Mikro Mir Plastic.
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Most enjoyable to date Rick :)
Terri
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Most enjoyable to date Rick :)
Terri
Thanks for dropping in T. I appreciate the comment. I have begun the process of making the tripod struts more accurate. I used the Pheon jig and aligned the rear struts. I measured the distance between the fuselage and wing to get the proper length for my new replacement strut on the front.
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A week away and a return to a broken computer make my comments a bit late Rick but She is looking mighty fine indeed! You are all but finished; been a long haul for us both on this subject and I look forward to seeing her with the wing finally attached!
Cheers,
Lance
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A week away and a return to a broken computer make my comments a bit late Rick but She is looking mighty fine indeed! You are all but finished; been a long haul for us both on this subject and I look forward to seeing her with the wing finally attached!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. I have been a bit anxious about mounting the upper wing to my revised strut arrangement. Well today I was test fitting yet again and the temptation to glue was overwhelming !
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I sound like a broken record Rick, but your work is outstanding. Love how she is coming along.
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Glad you gave in to that temptation Rick , she is outstanding :)
Terri
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Congratulations Rick. :)
Your strut re-engineering certainly has worked extremely well!
And your wing streaking looks great!
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No fair Rick, you didn't show us the re-engineering of the strut! Whatever you did it looks to have done the trick!
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No fair Rick, you didn't show us the re-engineering of the strut! Whatever you did it looks to have done the trick!
Thanks for the comment!
I used the inverted V strut as it comes in the kit to measure the length needed for the strut from the red circles, Sorry for the poor quality but I am not very good at Flikr Editing :-[ , Once I had the correct length I sanded the inverted V so it allowed the new strut to fit where the inverted V originally made contact. I hoppe this makes sense ?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/37639699676_858c5af13b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zm6inf)DSCF6717 (https://flic.kr/p/Zm6inf) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
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I sound like a broken record Rick, but your work is outstanding. Love how she is coming along.
Juan,
As always I appreciate your comments and support!
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Glad you gave in to that temptation Rick , she is outstanding :)
Terri
Thanks T. Now I just need to make sure the wing stays attached 8)
RAGIII
Congratulations Rick. :)
Your strut re-engineering certainly has worked extremely well!
And your wing streaking looks great!
Thanks for the positive feedback. Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
PS: Just for Fun a B&W version:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/37688847741_fc7d672a6e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZqrcnF)DSCF6721 (https://flic.kr/p/ZqrcnF) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
I used the link for aging photos from another thread and this was the result:
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Rick, this is one gorgeous Fokker! Can't wait to see the end result, very very close!
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No fair Rick, you didn't show us the re-engineering of the strut! Whatever you did it looks to have done the trick!
Thanks for the comment!
I used the inverted V strut as it comes in the kit to measure the length needed for the strut from the red circles, Sorry for the poor quality but I am not very good at Flikr Editing :-[ , Once I had the correct length I sanded the inverted V so it allowed the new strut to fit where the inverted V originally made contact. I hoppe this makes sense ?
It makes perfect sense Rick. Thanks for the explanation.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/37639699676_858c5af13b_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zm6inf)DSCF6717 (https://flic.kr/p/Zm6inf) by Rick Geisler (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150763635@N08/), on Flickr
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Rick, this is one gorgeous Fokker! Can't wait to see the end result, very very close!
Thanks Ian!
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Fin and Rudder added as well as the small PE attachments for the Rigging points. Now all that is left is the actual rigging , finishing the engine plug wires, adding the step and lift rings, attaching the cowling permanently, and a bit of touch up...well a lot of touch up actually ::)
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PS: So far the wing structure seems quite sturdy ;D
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Rick,
Absolutely beautiful work my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Rick,
Absolutely beautiful work my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Thanks for the compliment Gregory! I appreciate you looking in!!
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Rick,
You're most welcome my old friend. I'm feeling much better of late so I'll be around more than I've been in quite awhile.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I would dearly like to see where the touching up is required! That is looking spectacular even though it is not quite finished.
Stephen.
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Looking great! I did this scheme in 1/72 in my Roden E.V, and though I'm not a huge fan of this aircraft, it is tempting more and more....!
Jeroen
PS how is the OAW Albatros D.III coming along?
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Great Rick, very nice! I must say that I had intented to build this kit as a fast and easy "between two serious projects" build. But your and Lance's build reports frightened me off a little. That didn't seem to be quick and easy... but nevertheless it's a pleasure to look at!
Andreas
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Rick,
Your approach to wrestling this one onto the mat seems to have worked very successfully, a beautiful and impressive model from what is, at best, a very basic Kit. That tricky flimsy wing set up looks solid and you've done a great job on the finish. Congratulations, a great result and having just been there myself, very well done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
Your approach to wrestling this one onto the mat seems to have worked very successfully, a beautiful and impressive model from what is, at best, a very basic Kit. That tricky flimsy wing set up looks solid and you've done a great job on the finish. Congratulations, a great result and having just been there myself, very well done!
Cheers,
Lance
Agree completely with Lance, and between both of your builds, give us plenty of material to digest and hopefully come up with just as beautiful a reproduction.
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Great job, Rick, even though the build is not finished yet, she is a beauty already!
Cheers
Ondra
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I would dearly like to see where the touching up is required! That is looking spectacular even though it is not quite finished.
Stephen.
Struts, fin, some scratches on the lozenge etc. ! Thanks for the comment, Greatly appreciated!
RAGIII
Looking great! I did this scheme in 1/72 in my Roden E.V, and though I'm not a huge fan of this aircraft, it is tempting more and more....!
Jeroen
PS how is the OAW Albatros D.III coming along?
Thanks for the comment. I did this scheme with the Eduard 1/48th kit but couldn't resist doing it again on this one with the Pheon Decals. nce one figures out how to attack the wing struts it really isn't that challenging of a build 8)
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Great Rick, very nice! I must say that I had intented to build this kit as a fast and easy "between two serious projects" build. But your and Lance's build reports frightened me off a little. That didn't seem to be quick and easy... but nevertheless it's a pleasure to look at!
Andreas
Thanks for the compliment Andreas! Not a quick and easy build but your skill level would make your Building experience easier than mine I think!
RAGIII
Rick,
Your approach to wrestling this one onto the mat seems to have worked very successfully, a beautiful and impressive model from what is, at best, a very basic Kit. That tricky flimsy wing set up looks solid and you've done a great job on the finish. Congratulations, a great result and having just been there myself, very well done!
Cheers,
Lance
Lance, Thank you! I forgot to mention that as I used what was the rear strut on the Roden Fokker DVI cut to size for the forward strut, I had a pointed tab to insert into a drilled hole in the wing. I used Tamiya glue to set then superglued all of the strut locations. Like I said SO FAR very solid. I can pick it up by the wing or fuselage although I am handling it very carefully ;D
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Rick,
Your approach to wrestling this one onto the mat seems to have worked very successfully, a beautiful and impressive model from what is, at best, a very basic Kit. That tricky flimsy wing set up looks solid and you've done a great job on the finish. Congratulations, a great result and having just been there myself, very well done!
Cheers,
Lance
Agree completely with Lance, and between both of your builds, give us plenty of material to digest and hopefully come up with just as beautiful a reproduction.
Thanks Juan! Your continued support is appreciated!
RAGIII
Great job, Rick, even though the build is not finished yet, she is a beauty already!
Cheers
Ondra
Ondra, As always I appreciate how you follow my builds...and the comments!
RAGIII
PS: The Albatros is next up for serious attention. I have not spent more than 2 hours total at my bench in the last two weeks :'(
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Another little teaser: Almost done now 8)
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Other than a few little things I intend to touch up later this one is done. More Photos in the Completed Models section.
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9032.0
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Great job, Rick, I was watching this build closely and every up-date was a pure joy to follow!
The result is a real beauty, congratulations my friend!
Cheers
Ondra
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That turned out very well, Rick. Congratulations on a job done well.
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Is there a better adjective than Perfect?
;-)
AnDonio
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yes..very perfect..;-)
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yes..very perfect..;-)
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Beautiful model, I wish my 1/48th EV will end the same way.
Ciao.
Giuseppe.
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Great job, Rick, I was watching this build closely and every up-date was a pure joy to follow!
The result is a real beauty, congratulations my friend!
Cheers
Ondra
Thanks Ondra! Your support during the build was greatly appreciated.
RAGIII
That turned out very well, Rick. Congratulations on a job done well.
Thanks for the positive comment!
RAGIII
Is there a better adjective than Perfect?
;-)
AnDonio
Thanks for commenting Antonio!
RAGIII
Beautiful model, I wish my 1/48th EV will end the same way.
Ciao.
Giuseppe.
Thanks Giuseppe! I appreciate the comment. I am sure your 1/48th kit will be a stunner!
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Now also some words from me for such a great model!
The build report started much before I registered here, but all the investments of time and addons pays really back! The big scale allows more to show, e.g. the linen effect decals are cool.
The sepia b/w picture is simply fantastic and looks like the real thing, congratulations!
Cheers,
Frank
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Now also some words from me for such a great model!
The build report started much before I registered here, but all the investments of time and addons pays really back! The big scale allows more to show, e.g. the linen effect decals are cool.
The sepia b/w picture is simply fantastic and looks like the real thing, congratulations!
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank. I appreciate the kind comment! I do build at a slow pace ::)
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Great project. I'm off to completed models!!
Steve
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Great project. I'm off to completed models!!
Steve
Thanks for following along Steve!
RAGIII