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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: xan on February 03, 2017, 05:16:05 AM
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Hi it's my turn to start the Caudron G4, the kit of the year for the WW1 aircaft models fans.
I don't need to details the quality of the kit, it have been shown before in this forum in detail.
As Xmald I will do a C74 plane, but another one , "the buterfly"
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/14//16071412164318634314373950.jpg)
we will speak later about the squadron and the decoration.
When a modeler speak about caudron, he thinks of that:
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/02//17020204351022623414820258.jpg)
ringging feast!
so I have to determinate first the choise I will made.
first of all the wire :
fishing nylon line, or EZ line?
usually I do prefer fishing line. But inthis case I have got blue EZ line wich could be very pratic for a caudron...
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/02//17020204145822623414820234.jpg)
by the moment I stay in my position with fishing line. I have got 0.08mm, 0.1mm and 0.2mm, it will be OK
Anyway I saw in the wen blue nylon fishing line, wiich could be interesting too...
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/02//17020204351122623414820261.jpg)
This one is a little bit too fluorescent in my opinion...
does anyone know wher I can fin 0.1mm blue line in the web?
second point the turnbuckles...
I have got three solutions: photoetched, brass Hollow pipe or gaspatsh turnbuckles
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/02//17020204145922623414820235.jpg)
turnbuckles heve not all the same size...
i will surely use pipe for thin size as in the fuselage, and gaspatch in th wings for big turnbuckles...
Xmald and Jorgo what choise did you done?
I'm ready to hear aby oppinin, thanks ...
Xan
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Looking forward to seeing you make a start on this excellent kit Xan.
Des.
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Congratulations on choosing the right kit!
Butterfly is a beauty! I was thinking about it but I wanted a plane with the wireless...
For this particular plane you need different propellers and the gun mount with a Colt mg. I can only tell you to be a little bit patient cause there might be a solution for this problem coming soon ;))
I would go with fishing line cause you can't use any pipes for turnbuckles with ez line. Actually you don't need that many turnbuckles ( pipe will do in most cases) because the PE attachments for rigging make it really easier in majority of cases. I started the rigging process already so you can believe me; ))
BTW Gaspatch buckles are slightly too big and they seem perfect for 1 32nd scale anyway.
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Hi Xan,
I'll use fishing and Uschi line, turnbuckles from brass tubes, maybe some pe parts. It is possible to use tubes with ez or Uschi line, have already done that in 1/32 scale - we'll see
Best regards,
Jörg
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Great xan, I'll follow thar closely. And I am sure that Nugesser sat in a Caudron G IV someday ... somehow... ;)
Borsos
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Hi Xan,
I'll use fishing and Uschi line, turnbuckles from brass tubes, maybe some pe parts. It is possible to use tubes with ez or Uschi line, have already done that in 1/32 scale - we'll see
Best regards,
Jörg
I guess when it comes to 1/32nd it isn`t a problem but when it comes to turnbuckles in 1/48th the problem is with the internal diameter of the tube and the elastic feature of the rigging material. This is why I suggest the fishing line. Also I do not use brass tube and/or any other metal ones. I use cotton buds (the plastic tube) stretched over flame, it allows me to acheive the effect that is appropriate to the scale. My tubes have the internal diameter of approximately 0,16 mm. Here are my homemade buckles:
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Deperdussin%201911%20Lindberg%201%2048/Deperdussin%201911%20Lindberg%201%2048%206_zpsndkflq6m.jpg)
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Butterfly is a beauty! I was thinking about it but I wanted a plane with the wireless...
So do I , that's why the decoration is not 100% sure...
For this particular plane you need different propellers and the gun mount with a Colt mg. I can only tell you to be a little bit patient cause there might be a solution for this problem coming soon ;))
So do you my friend, 9 had chauvières propolers too:
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/04//17020410590122623414823333.jpg)
But I know our angel guardian Edgard is working on it ;-)
I would go with fishing line cause you can't use any pipes for turnbuckles with ez line. Actually you don't need that many turnbuckles ( pipe will do in most cases) because the PE attachments for rigging make it really easier in majority of cases. I started the rigging process already so you can believe me; ))
BTW Gaspatch buckles are slightly too big and they seem perfect for 1 32nd scale anyway.
agree with you!
I am sure that Nugesser sat in a Caudron G IV
Sorry Borsos, no caudron for Nungesser but Voisin LA, (wich could be a future CSM project who knows...)
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/106_Voisin_Nungesser_face.jpg)
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Profils/106_VoisinLAS.jpg)
Xan
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Here is the gegining...
wood effect was made with oil paint "raw sienna" up on a beige acrylic
The plane I will represent had no wireless telegraphy system, so I put extra ammo in the both observer side.
I was ready to scratch them when I saw CSM proposed 8 of them! thank you Edgar!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/19//17021903301822623414858081.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/19//17021903301822623414858082.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/19//17021903301922623414858083.jpg)
and of cours at the end most of details are hidden
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/19//17021903301922623414858084.jpg)
next step, the engines...
Xan
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Gorgeous work on the interior! I am looking forward to seeing your engines!
RAGIII
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Very nice beginning. Looking forward to your progress. :D
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Great progress so far, Xan. Looks very nice. And the Butterfly is a wonderful color scheme. I am keen on seeing it finished.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Extremely well done. Xan!
Best regards,
Jörg
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How did I miss this? Another of those excellent Caudrons! You have made a tremendous start -I am really looking forward to more. I too thought of the butterfly win I built mine but I could not produce the necessary markings in 1/72 scale.
Stephen.
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Excellent work Xan, you have done a brilliant job with the interior work, I'm really looking forward to seeing this model progress.
Des.
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Beautiful work on the innards, Xan!
Cheers,
Bud
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Magnificent so farXan. I'm really looking forward to seeing how you handle the inter-wing rigging.
Best wishes
Nigel
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I showed you the plane I will represent, the butterfly.
she belongs to the C74 squadron
This squadron fought in the north of France and in Belgium.
a particularity of this squadron is that in mixed belgium observers in the roup (5 for 30 observers)
It seems that this squadron distinctive mark when they were equipaded with Caudron was to have a red cowler with a white number and a white cowler with red neumber in the other engine.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543122623414860758.jpg)
The best know planes are the 7 and the 9 (Xmald's one), and this confirm this theorie:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543122623414860756.jpg)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2017/02/04//17020410590122623414823333.jpg)
Other pics founded in the C74 page of the Denis Alben website confirm it
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille074.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille074.htm)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543122623414860759.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543222623414860760.jpg)
Meanwhile, if my "butterfly'" have two color different in the cowlers, the white one doesn't seems to be white at all.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543122623414860757.jpg)
another C74 plane seems to have the cowler of anther colour but the pics is so dark we cannot do any conclusions...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543222623414860761.jpg)
So i have to decide between several hypothesis
1) The pic is a poor quality one (every body knows that we don't have to trust very much in old B&W pics for colour interpretation) and I paint the colers in white with a fictive number , 4 for exemple
possible
2) It could be an belgium observer plane and he wanted to paint national colours in the cowlers (so red and yellow, number could be black why not)
I'm not very convinced with this idea
3) as saw in this draw, the cowler could be light blue, using roundels paints.
possible refering to grey shades interpretaiton, but it does n't make very much sense in my point of view
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022010094422623414860823.jpg)
4) the left cowler would be red with white number et the left one woould not have being peinted (replaced or any reason) and would be beige , as any normal caudron cowler; in that case, no numbers at left.
and you what do you think about it?
Xan
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Fascinating question. One of those I love to play around with :)
I think I'd go with the blue cowling. There are several reasons:
to your hypothesis 1: I never heared about a b/w pic that changed the color of white to that tone shown here. I therefore think, that's the most improbable of the hypotheses.
To your hypothesis 2: Belgian yellow. As far as I know, yellow turns into a really dark tone on orthocromatic film. I won't stress the endless discussion about Voss' F. 1 cowling here, but a look at warm yellow toned wooden albatros fuselages supports that theory. So no Belgian yellow in my opinion.
To your hypothesis 4: a normal replacement cowling on the starboard side of this Caudron. That's absolutely possible in my eyes.
But: When I remember all the b/w pictures of French Nieuports and Farmans the blue of the national markings always looked very light. That seems to be another effect of orthocromatic film. It matches in my eyes quite exactly the tone of the cowling shown here. And: Somebody with much more experience than I have has written that especially squadron markings frequently were carried out with colors that were anyway available at the aerodrome. So the blue of the tricolore would have been at hand. And wasn't it a usual business in these days to paint the tricolore on many fuselages?
So if hypotheses 3 and 4 are both equally plausible and neither can be prooved wrong I'd go with blue. It looks better than just a beige replacement cowling. And, well, aren't there dogs that fly the Caudron on your last picture? Dogs! This picture can't be wrong... ;)
Borsos
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thanks to give your opinion Borsos.
I agree with you 1 and 2 solution are out.
for the blue solution, I don't understand why all the squadron planes are paint in red and white, and this one in blue...
by the moment 4th solution keeps my favour...
Xan
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Second episode of my doubts, the fuselage and engine colours...
I know noone had the answer but I'm just loocking for diferent point of view.
Anyway, write all this in this post helps me to do my choices...
so let's see what we have...
as far as I know there are three Caudron G4 autochromes.
autochrome are original colour pics (lumière brothers invent this system). autochrome pictures have reputaiton to keep original colour and resist at the time...
first one a lumière autochrome taken in Rosnay en summer of 1917, the G4 n°1547 of the C39.
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos4/039_CaudronG4_GT.jpg)
Second one , an autochrome showing all C30 pilots in 1916. This picture have been taken in Rosnay too and perhaps it's the same photographer. Admire the uniformity of the uniforms!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865356.jpg)
The third one was founded in Lyon by Marc Chassard. It belongs to an unknow squadron.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865357.jpg)
We also have two caudron conserved in Museums: one in the MAE orf Paris and thi other one in the NASM near Washington.
both of them have been restaured, but the washington one seems to keep more originals elements.
the Le Bourget museum one:
(http://www.passionpourlaviation.fr/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Caudron-G4-Mus%C3%A9e-de-lair-et-de-esapce.jpg)
(http://abpic.co.uk/pictures/full_size_0300/1450997-large.jpg)
(http://www.antique-airplanes.com/images/Caudron-G4.jpg)
and the NASM one:
(http://www.histoire-passy-montblanc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Caudron-G4-musee.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3932/15243668648_b65d27f64e_c.jpg)
(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000JP6c_8xwsQo/fit=1000x750/Smithsonian-Air-Space-Museum-Caudron-G4-World-War-I-Bomber-Reconnaissance-k021194059.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/27434578736_2a0fd49d7c_b.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7460/26859736324_8b2837d2bb_b.jpg)
Loocking at the autochromes, the second one is most interesting. The third one is very strange and seems grey blue, mean while the first one seems to be in the same colours than the second one.
By the way, it seemms evident the the Paris G4 paint have been based in this autochrome
If I am not Wrong the NASM one have kept is original paint , in the fuselage. it seems much more yellowish...
sur la fantastique maquette en scratch intégral de Maya32 au 1/32 que vous avez certainement encore en tête, on a en quelque sorte, un mix des deux tons:
in this wondefull al scratched 1/32 model, we have a mix with the cowler based in NASM colour and fuselage based in the autochrome colours...
(http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2012/09/22//1209220637444430010348657.jpg)
I will have too choose between two options:
An 100 years old autochrome or an 100 years old plane's paint...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865356.jpg)
(http://www.piratebrethren.com/gaming/caudronG4/caudron06.jpg)(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7460/26859736324_8b2837d2bb_b.jpg)
I would say I think the autochrome resist better at past time than paint in the plane...
Jörg take as reference the NASM it seems (correct me if I am wrong)
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/j-galler/Caudron%20G4%20Hydravion/P1120440_zpsgv7abogx.jpg)
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j127/j-galler/Caudron%20G4%20Hydravion/P1120396_zps7fnognda.jpg)
Xmalt would be more in the autochrome spirit (with metal part in the same colour but lighter)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Caudron%20G%204%20Copper%20State%20Models/Caudron%20test%2029_zpsvqyp3qlt.jpg)
and you, what do you think about it ?
Xan
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I agree with you Edgar...
And as i friend of mine told me in my french forum, if an autochrome's colour is truely reliable, we can tell the same thing for a printed copy of it, even less for a numeric scan of a printed copy...
So no option stronger than the other one... I will test both of them and choose the one I prefer!
Xan
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I went on with the engines nacelles. And it confirms the impression I had with the pilot nacelle, this kit as really fantastic...
all part fit well, they are very well thought, an pretty well detailed. I even could'nt add a rivet, all is represented...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/23//17022311410122623414869579.jpg)
Thanks god Edgar let us the oil level to remenber we are modelers..;
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/23//17022311410122623414869578.jpg)
and what is more, the notice book is very clear...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/23//17022311410222623414869581.jpg)
I'am very impresionated
Xan
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Very nice. I always enjoy watching your builds xan
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Great work, Xan.
Jamie
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Very nice, Xan. It looks awesome. That one will be another spectacular plane from your workbench!
Borsos
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Continuing to be an outstanding build of what appears to be an outstanding kit! I really enjoy your builds as there is always a lot of research and back up presented along with the actual build! Really helps the rest of us!
RAGIII
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About the metal part's paint colour, a friend of mine gave those pictures.
it's the NASM caudron before restauration.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601512522623414875998.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601512422623414875997.jpg)
Ok the light is not good and watever youwant, but I can't help thinking the shade are the same than in the autochrome
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865356.jpg)
Something else: the Machine Gun support.
basically, I founded in the pics faur MG support type:
1) The basical model "fixed"
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575722623414876003.jpg)
2) the removable model with the tube out of the nacelle
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575622623414876002.jpg)
3) the removable model with the tube out in the nacelle
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575722623414876004.jpg)
those two one are the most seen in the picture
4)The most elaborated system, the two museum caudor are equiped with
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575822623414876005.jpg)
CSM propose this version with great sublety PE. It had been a pleasure to mount this version, for sure more sprctacular in the final model...
but the plane i will represent had the third option:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/20//17022009543122623414860757.jpg)
So I scratched it:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575822623414876006.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601575822623414876007.jpg)
we have now to study the rear MG support......
Xan
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for the rear Machine gun support, I thake as refence the NASM plane:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712443922623414878617.png)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712443922623414878618.jpg)
butterfly had a MG support, we can see the traingle, but the side support pipes looks different
...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712493522623414878622.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712443922623414878620.jpg)
I use archer stitching in the fabric zone under the pilot nacelle.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712443922623414878619.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/27//17022712444022623414878621.jpg)
The stitching is oversized but I just want to represent it
Represent the relief in the fabric zone could have been fun, but it was a big work in a hidden zone...
représenter le relief fr la toile et des liddes était aussi tentant, mais c'était beaucoup de boulot pour une zone cachée...
Well it's time to paint!
Xan
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Wow, Xan
Absolute top work, nice to see the great progress on this butterfly.
Chapeau,
Manni
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Taking for references the NQSM caudorn 's pic before restauration, and the C30 squadron autochrome
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/26//17022601512422623414875997.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865356.jpg)
That's what I did:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030112051922623414883369.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030112051922623414883370.jpg)
I will have now to get dirty the engines nacelles, a rotative engine projected oil all around...
Xan
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I think you matched the colors perfectly.
Borsos
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The colours you have chosen look superb.
Des.
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I think you matched the colors perfectly.
Borsos
I agree completely. Great choice in Colors!
RAGIII
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thanks all of you!
I told you it will be oily, well here it is:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030106075122623414884925.jpg)
Ok it's not really representativ or what can be see in most of the pictures but somes were like that , rotative engine is rotative engine in a caudron, a nieuport or a Morane Saulnier...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030106322022623414885008.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030106321922623414885007.jpg)
Anyway I assume it, let'e thing butterfly was not very well kept...
and with a proper cowler and fuselage it will be OK !
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//17030106160122623414884946.jpg)
I forgot to weather the stitching and the plugs, I will do it at once!
Xan
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Lovely Xan,
I really must get onto my Floatplane - although I do struggle with rigging in 48th... ???
Guy
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Beautifully interpreted Xan, looking forward to your progress.
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In my opinion absolutely realistic! Looks very nice!
Borsos
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Fantastic modelling all around your G.IV, Xan. I am following with great interest!
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I am so pleased that the building of an excellent kit of such a significant, yet relatively ignored aircraft in modelling terms, is in the hands of a master modeller. In welcoming new members, I often describe the forum as a source of inspiration. This is exactly a case in point.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Looking super so far :)
Terri
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I have one of these in the stash and enjoying you build. What paints did you use for the fabric and metal parts?
Charlie
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What paints did you use for the fabric and metal parts?
Gunze H318 Radome for fabric and gunze H313 /H2 white (50%) fpr metal and wooden parts.
just for intellectual curiosity...
you remenber Marc Chassard founded autochrome i shown in the first page of the topic
The plane seems grey blue, but I didn' t pay atttention.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865357.jpg)
searching pics in flickr i fonded this colorized picture San Diego museum put on line
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/08//17030806425722623414904588.jpg)
of course it's not a proof , but yes an indication...
Why did they colorized the plane in blue?
We are quite sure there has been blue dopped nieuport.
May be same thing happen with caudron , I mean grey blue colored dope applied on fabric...
loocking better the autochrome, we can see behind a clasical linen coloured caudron, so the autochrome colours are right...
interesting isn't it?
Xan
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it is! Maybe the first autochrome shows a whitish color? Looks like the white Voisin bombers with blue struts... the San Diego pic is rather crudely colourized.
Borsos
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Well the engine nacelles are ended.
I wanted to show off th stiching. so i repeint the stiching in cream color with a brush
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/11//17031112122322623414909201.jpg)
I did the oil level too
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/11//17031112122422623414909202.jpg)
general view and time to start the engines.....
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/11//17031112122422623414909203.jpg)
Xan
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Extraordinary work thus far, Xan!
Cheers,
Bud
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Great effect. This is looking superb.
Manni
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Looking really good, looking forward to your progress.
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Your stitching pops really nicely.
Jamie
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Extraordinary painting and weathering, she is becoming a real masterpiece - chapeau, Xan!
Jörg
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hello!
I went on with the le Rhone 9c engines
As the Jörg said, they are quite pretty and after market is not needed.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Le_Rhone_9C.jpg/473px-Le_Rhone_9C.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/13//17031311383122623414916483.jpg)
I know, i have to glue better the collector to the cylinder...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/13//17031311383222623414916484.jpg)
Perhaps the engines are too clean, i will see later...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/13//17031311383222623414916485.jpg)
paint on cowling have not been reworked, it's just to have a general idea
la peinture des capots moteur n'a pas été travaillé , c'est juste pour voir l'allure générale...
by the way, all parts fitpretty well without glue, it's a pleasure...
Xan
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Hello!
I reworked the cowling paint
first I mix red with flesh to simulate chipped paint
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/18//17031810450222623414926550.jpg)
Then i darked the low side with red and tamiya brown red
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/18//17031810450222623414926551.jpg)
in the top of the cowling I mixed red and yellow to put some light (it doesn't appears too much in the pisture)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/13//17031311383222623414916485.jpg)
then I added the number.
whe have pics of the 7 and 9 aircraft i imagine butterfly had the 5 one...
with a little smoke in the low part of the number.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/18//17031812134622623414926650.jpg)
Well i think engine nacelle is done...
next step, the pilot nacelle...
Xan
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Absolutely stunning, how did you produce the number "5"?
Best regards,
Jörg
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Xan... what can I say... you are a true master modeller! I can only wish my Caudron was half as good as yours!
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Great, xan, absolutely beautiful!
Borsos
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Superb work, Xan! Outstanding.
Manni
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Fantastic weathering on the Nacelles! Lovely all around!
RAGIII
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I did the pilot nacelle too...
I started try to represent rain marks...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/21//17032107075522623414936862.jpg)
than darker marks under the rivets
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/21//17032106133422623414936663.jpg)
according to this autochrome, we know the MG mount could be blue:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/02/21//17022104413722623414865357.jpg)
but a friend of mine notice I didn't take care of the nacelle inclinaiton in the ground, he was right...
so i did it again...
as it often happens in those cases, i prefer the first version...
Never mind, butterfly will anyway cover a large part of the nacelle...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/02//17040212142422623414958993.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/02//17040212142422623414958994.jpg)
Xan
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That is a staggeringly beautiful model. The rain marks are truly mind-blowing - such detail! Simply marvellous!!
Stephen.
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I like the weathering you have done! Looking forward to the next update as always!
RAGIII
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Thanks Stephen and Rag!
Let's pass to the wings...
The moulding of them is just amazing, it's simply the best fabric representation I have never seen
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/02//17040210543822623414960845.jpg)
the lower wing first.
I put the metalic protection under the engines.
then i st
L'aile inférieure tout d'abord.
j'ai collé les plaques de protection sous le moteur
puis j'ai attaqué la peinture de l"intrados (toutes les refs sont de chez Gunze)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/02//17040210543822623414960846.jpg)
Xan
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Great progress on the wings and the nacelle. You are building a real masterpiece, xan! It's a pleasure to follow your build.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Hello, same colors for upper surface of the lower wing
OK, I surely exagerated a little bit oil marks...
i will see how it lools like at the end; it's only a PE part easy to clean if I want to paint it again...
I started a weathered plane so...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/05//17040511483722623414966831.jpg)
this pic show there was oil under the engines anyway...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/06//17040612453022623414966850.jpg)
here how to will loock like; I think it won't be too much at the end...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/06//17040612453022623414966851.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/06//17040612453122623414966852.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/06//17040601022222623414966858.jpg)
Xan
Xan
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Xan,
I have studied many photos of these aircraft when I built mine and it was clear that the engines poured out a huge amount of oil (as all rotaries did), so I do not think that you have overdone the pool staining. In fact there were two small drain pipes on the lower sides of the cowling which were obviously there to take the oil away.
The rest of the build looks superb - a masterpiece in the making.
Stephen.
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I totally agree with Stephen! The weathering is spot on -not overdone in any way. When I`ll be building the second Caudron for me it`ll be a way more weathered than the one I`m finishing now.
Your model is a distant example of perfection to follow for me. Distant because I still don`t have such skills as you do!
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I can only join in: Really a wonderful build, great weathering and in no way overdone!
It is a joy to follow your build!
Borsos
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Xan, I can only echoe Filip and Andreas, very nice weathering and oil streaking - chapeau!
Jörg
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Xan! Totaly agree to what is said above. I love the dozens of different tones you have archieved in your build.
Manni
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I have to agree with all of the others. Beautifully weathered!
RAGIII
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I'am not going on quick
I listened my models masters abd did again the metalic xwing protection under the engines.
I thought that represent the rivets was quite interesting . I let archer rivets in natural blach...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/15//17041512324922623414982662.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/15//17041512324922623414982661.jpg)
Xan
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I put the ring of the ringging...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/15//17041508442722623414983755.jpg)
and the first ringging !
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/15//17041508442722623414983754.jpg)
Xan
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Wow Xan, truly amazing work. Turning out to be a mini masterpiece.
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Wow Xan, truly amazing work. Turning out to be a mini masterpiece.
Gotta Agree !!!!
Ed
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Xan
Your realism is outstanding!
I am really enjoying this build.
Cheers
Syd
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thanks!
last works:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/16//17041611191622623414984503.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/16//17041611191722623414984505.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/16//17041611191722623414984506.jpg)
next step, the srtuts
Xan
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Xan,
Just checked back into this post, really impressive work. I think your representation of the oil and "grunge" is spot on, nicely done! (as is all the work thus far!)
Cheers,
Lance
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Struts are in their place (20 struts + 4 coming soon!)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/25//17042510050622623414999170.jpg)
let's start the upper wing...
first of all the seam on the wing.
- I use the rosie to line up the holes
- one hole each two is drilled
- surfacer to fill the holes
- primer product
I tryed 0.1 or 0.2mm and the first one is better
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/25//17042510050622623414999171.jpg)
résult:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/25//17042510050622623414999172.jpg)
painting now... for the underside that is the effect i want:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/25//17042510245222623414999182.jpg)
it clearly appears on most of the pics:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/25//17042510054622623414999173.jpg)
Let's go
Xan
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underside is done:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/26//17042604595622623415001660.jpg)
As usual, I lighten too much much my effect, but it will be allright...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/26//17042604595622623415001661.jpg)
Xan
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This is a truly incredible build. The lacing on the wings is terrific and the shading on the underside likewise. I am really enjoying following this - a real tribute to an very good kit and a master modeller.
Stephen.
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thanks Stephen.
here is how result the lacing.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/28//17042804071822623415005592.jpg)
i painted them in a ivory paint but i think i have to insist a little more.
I am painting the woden rear part and then will attack the upper side of the upper wing...
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Outstanding work! The shading is excellent!
RAGIII
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Exceptional work, the lacing is superb.
Des.
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thanks friends!
the upper surface ispainted. I have to lighten the lacing and the rib, put the bracket and penelope will be able to start working, I mean ringging.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/04/29//17042903404722623415007299.jpg)
Xan
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Beautiful job on the shading and painting , you nailed the effect !
Terri
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Hello!
As the caudron 's worker un Issy les Moulineaux factory, i painted the roundels
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/08//17050810383422623415027504.jpg)
(nice pic isn't it?)
the ribs relief get the operation quite... delicate, long and stressful
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/08//17050810564322623415027516.jpg)
at the end I won!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/08//17050810381722623415027499.jpg)
now PE cession!!!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/08//17050811032322623415027543.jpg)
they are 20!
Xan
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This Build just keeps getting better in leaps and bounds, superb work Xan!! A real pleasure to follow your progress. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding Xan, Looks beautiful. You will have your hands full wit PE and rigging, but will look great when done.
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Ditto the above comments, great work.
Ed
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The beautiful work continues, Xan. I really look forward to seeing the progress you are making.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Like all of the others have said, better and better with each update.
RAGIII
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wonderful work
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Magnificent, Xan, truly amazing what you are doing here!
Borsos
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Comp;etely agree with the above - superb work on this model.
Stephen.
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Spectacular modelling, Xan. Detailing, finish, execution, all the top class. I can only say, I regret this kit is not in any of my modelling scales...
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thanks to all!
well it's time to ringging...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/11//17051107154222623415033656.jpg)
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Perfect work in my eyes. Nothing more to say.
Masterful.
Bye,
Manni
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thanks Many!
I forgot to mention two details:
In the butterfly picture, we can see two instrument on the struts, one is certeinely a mirror
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422022623415037048.jpg)
I represented them, lovely details at the end in a model...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422122623415037049.jpg)
then I decided to represent the wing hatch in open posiiton , even in the pi it's clearly closed (but nothing says at have been always like that)
Why? two reasons:
First this hatch was done to give the observer a ebtter view posiiton; this details his original enugh to be represented in the model
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422222623415037050.jpg)
in the le bourget museum restored Caudron, traps are represent like windows who could be opened or closed.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422422623415037053.jpg)
CSM represented this idea
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422522623415037054.jpg)
but in the pictures with hatch in open position, those traps never appear
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422322623415037052.jpg)
I think they were mounted or dismounted in the groud...
Seconf reason, to represent the hatch opeend, it's interesting for the model because it let possibility to see better the cockpit...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/05/12//17051210422322623415037051.jpg)
Xan
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Exceptional work Xan, I like the hatch in the open position.
Des.
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The open hatch is excellent and like you said the cockpit is now more visible!
RAGIII
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Agree , much better with the hatches opened . Show's off the detail better :)
Terri
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Hello,
those workd to proove i am alive
I'am going very slowly, first because i am in another project, and second because i think (and I hope) this step in the hardest because of the locisaiton of the ringging.
Anyway I finished the engine and pilote nacelle's ringging.
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/06/05//17060510183222623415076486.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/06/05//17060510183322623415076487.jpg)
I have to start now the ringging betwen the nacelles
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/06/05//17060510183422623415076489.jpg)
the problem is that each of them ended with a double turnbuckle...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/06/05//17060510183322623415076488.jpg)
I will try to represent it; if I can't , I will simplificate it...
Xan
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At last something to show!!!
I finished the wings ringing
it has been a long way to Tiperrary
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/07/11//17071109585722623415143465.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/07/11//17071109585822623415143466.jpg)
Now i have to install the command wires, but it will be less work...
Xan
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A long haul perhaps Xan, but spectacular results. This is a fantastic model beautifully done, a real stunner! The Completed display should be even better! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice, Xan! This one is going to be a masterpiece. It Looks awesome.
Borsos
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Outstanding results on the rigging! Continuing to be a beautiful and inspiring build!
RAGIII
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Hi Xan, well worth the wait, truly outstanding work.
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Superb work with the rigging Xan.
Des.
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Wow Xan! You continue to amaze us with this great, truly superbly detailed work! It is a build to watch and enjoy... Well Done! Marc
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Hi guys!
Boys are back in town!
i did a brake with the G4 because of a rigging overdose wheen i ended the wings...
meanwhile i started an I-16 type 4 but this is another story...
well i started again with the backside:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342203.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342204.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342205.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg)
next step, the tail...
happy to be with you again ;)
Xan
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Thank you for coming back to this beauty Xan. Looking beautiful.
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Brilliant work all around!
RAGIII
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Lovely work on this build Xan :)
Terri
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Keep up the good work Xan!
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Hey Xan,
good to see you back and good to see you on that one again!
Andreas
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Steel going on!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/31//17103111380322623415349082.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/31//17103111380522623415349084.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/31//17103111380322623415349083.jpg)
quite a big bird:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/31//17103111380622623415349085.jpg)
next step: vertical stabilizer ringging...
Xan
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Hi,
the vertical stabilizer are in their place , as are the ringging
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/09//17110912164922623415360409.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/09//17110912165022623415360410.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/09//17110912165022623415360411.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/09//17110912165122623415360412.jpg)
Xan
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Brilliant Modeling!
RAGIII
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Wow, my jaw just hit the floor. What a work of art Xan.
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Incredible Xan.
Your G4 is a work of art! :)
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Mighty fine.
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Hi guys!
Boys are back in town!
i did a brake with the G4 because of a rigging overdose wheen i ended the wings...
meanwhile i started an I-16 type 4 but this is another story...
well i started again with the backside:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342203.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342204.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342205.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg)
next step, the tail...
happy to be with you again ;)
Xan
I can't see any of your pictures, just blank spaces where they should be.
If I try opening them directly by accessing the link address I get:
This site can’t be reached
The webpage at http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
Go to http://casimages.com/
Search Google for nsm 07 casimages img 2017
ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED
Anyone else getting this?
Richard
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I can't see any of your pictures, just blank spaces where they should be.
If I try opening them directly by accessing the link address I get:
This site can’t be reached
The webpage at http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
Go to http://casimages.com/
Search Google for nsm 07 casimages img 2017
ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED
Anyone else getting this?
Richard
I see everything perfectly, and also clicking on the link "http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017..." works well...
AnDonio
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I see everything perfectly, and also clicking on the link "http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017..." works well...
AnDonio
If I click on that. I get:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /img/2017/ on this server.
Richard
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I see everything perfectly, and also clicking on the link "http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017..." works well...
AnDonio
If I click on that. I get:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /img/2017/ on this server.
Richard
Yes Richard that was not a link to click, it was just pasted to avoid retyping the whole link above.
By the way, if your pc replies "You don't have permission to access /img/2017/ on this server." that means that the server now has been found by your browser.
I just wanted to say that the link http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg from my PC works well.
Regards
PS Sorry for the OT Xan
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I just wanted to say that the link http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg from my PC works well.
Regards
PS Sorry for the OT Xan
That one works for me too.
Is it really off topic? If I can't see Xan's pictures, I can't appreciate his work
Richard
As a test: (http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/10/27//17102706333622623415342206.jpg)
MORE: And that works too. So, what is different between that and how Xan is posting images?
EVEN MORE: And now I can see all the images in this thread. Bloody computers.....
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Is it really off topic? If I can't see Xan's pictures, I can't appreciate his work
You're right Richard!!!!
:-)
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Tail ringging is over, quite a good news!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/15//17111503522222623415372165.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/15//17111503522322623415372166.jpg)
now, next step is the ringging toward the engines nacelles , quite a hot stuff!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7447/27397208051_4991664825_b.jpg)
Xan
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Continuing to be an example of outstanding work! Just Beautiful!
RAGIII
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The rigging on this machine is enough to test anyone's patience... You are doing a first class job on yours - will look very good when finished.
Stephen.
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I'm really out of words to describe this build, it is much more than fantastic!
Thank you very much for the detailed description of steps, will help me (if I ever decide to take this box from stash to bench).
Cheers,
Frank
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Truly spectacular. I am in awe of how she is turning out.
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Beautiful! Every time I watch the pics I see new details, just great!
Manni
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i have just discovered this incredible build, and I can only echo what Manni ha e said!
really fantastic! i’ll have to look at it over and over to try to grasp all the details!
ciao
edo
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One more step done!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7447/27397208051_4991664825_b.jpg)
I didn't prepare it iand it has been quite hot to do the holes for the ringging:
but we did it ;-)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/19//17111903020922623415377147.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/19//17111903021022623415377148.jpg)
next step the upper part of ringging
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/19//17111903124422623415377161.jpg)
Xan
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You really are doing an excellent job on tis rigging. Very well done indeed.
Stephen.
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Gorgeus Caudron. Very well done endeed!
Giuseppe.
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quite quick without problems:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/19//17111911215322623415377866.jpg)
now the under zone with the weels and how not ringging
then the front zone with propelers and machine guns and it will be over!!!
Xan
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Continuing to be an absolutely beautiful build! Your rigging is awesome!
RAGIII
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An absolutely great build is on the finishing line. Your rigging looks wonderful and I can't wait to see her finished.
Andreas
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thank you all!
well tha down side is done to
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/22//17112209502722623415382141.jpg)
ringing and more ringing, but this time it is over!
great emotion putting the last wire!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/22//17112209502822623415382142.jpg)
and yes, the caudron is on its wheels!
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/22//17112209502922623415382143.jpg)
last step, the front part, chaudière propeler instead of the Gremont ne, Colt MG in the front and lewis in the backside
and the butterfly decal...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/22//17112209502922623415382144.jpg)
Xan
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Brilliant!
RAGIII
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I post this in Xmald topic sorry so here it is in its right place....
Last step...
my engines were damaged I repared them:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609040122623415388197.jpg)
Then cowling and decal fixed:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609030822623415388186.jpg)
oil evacuations:
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609030822623415388187.jpg)
propeelrs are painted trying to represent tonkilaque tipical french brown redish varnish
Those props are Chauvière, meanwhile CSM propose Gremont props
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609030922623415388188.jpg)
they go to their places
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609030922623415388189.jpg)
time to compare model with original pictures
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112601331622623415386951.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112601331522623415386950.jpg)
At last the machine guns. The picture show the plane unarmed because pilotes had their own MG and always take it off..
i imagine a quite characteristic configuraiton with a colt MG and a Lewis one...
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609031022623415388192.jpg)
Machines guns had no ammo in the pics, they only armed them for war missions
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609031222623415388195.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609031222623415388196.jpg)
burt I decide to represent them
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609031122623415388193.jpg)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609031122623415388194.jpg)
Lewis is a Gaspatch (very nice)
Colt can't be founf in the market, they have been done join to propelers and decal, by Kajetan Schulz.
he is a polish artisan, works very well and speak english.
his website
http://www.meliusmanu.pl (http://www.meliusmanu.pl)
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/kajetan.schulz (https://www.facebook.com/kajetan.schulz)
(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/11/26//17112609030722623415388183.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=17112609030722623415388183.jpg)
last corrections and i will put the final pics...
Xan
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And folowing , the final pics here:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9054.msg165240;boardseen#new (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9054.msg165240;boardseen#new)
(https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/248537232.jpg)
Xan
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hey, Xan!
as always an astonishing build! very beautiful indeed!
ciao edo