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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: uncletony on February 02, 2017, 04:39:31 AM
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(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/16406507_1425729387471712_17895958596079471_n_zpsqbcwe0fi.jpg)
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Super news, expected 2nd qtr 2017. Will be gone soon after release (probably).
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Blimey, Wingnuts kits are like buses...
So what's different about this boxing? Do we know?
Guy
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That's an 'F' (Jasta 18 / Berthold). The original 'F' boxing had parts for Goering's white 'F' in it, so maybe this is just a re-release with different decals similar to the way the re-released the Albatros DVa in 'OAW' guise.
I think it's not an F but rather an early Fokker-built... streaking, full top cowl...
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Can o' worms open!
His 'F' was an early with streaking (or so say some...)
really! (?)
anyway, box says Fokker D.VII(Fok) Early
maybe includes BMW & Merc sprues?
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better pic:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/16441211_1471709876186448_2016093014_n_zpseimehnk0.jpg)
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I spy a two-seater taube (proto?) type below the D.VII... and just saw the Nuremburg post about it ;)
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Lots of decals means it will be in higher single seater price range - $99 USD?
Jamie
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They had sold out of this type of Fokker when I tried so maybe this will be a second chance.
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Revised lozenge decals?
hard to tell -- they look that way though.
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Now this one has my attention! I will have to get one.
RAGIII
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That's interesting - they've gone the 'it wasn't an F' route. I foresee many internet 'discussions' ahead ;D
So I've been digging through the refs I can find -- from everything I have on hand, this aircraft is known from a single (well known) photo; everything about it seems to suggest it was a plain-jane early mercedes-powered aircraft. I can't find any suggestion that it might be BMW powered -- only that Berthold may have flown an "F" later. What am I missing?
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Hi Bo, cannot add to your discussion, but WNW has the engine sprue to make this one into an F if you had a mind to do so. Plenty of decal options out there too for the F also.
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Super news, expected 2nd qtr 2017. Will be gone soon after release (probably).
With the exception of the W.29, all sold out WNW kits took over two years to reach that position.
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I'd say the lesson here is if you want it, buy it. It's not going to depreciate. Another D.VII instead of a Camel? I think so.
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just saw the thread ,yea thats looking like bo says a fokker "early" not F as in fokker "late" will most likely be like the original " fokker built" kit with decals for early types like the berthold which was the louverless cowl option with a smidge of streaky between the red nose and blue fuselage.
also spoiler alert theres a damn taube mock up in the case below the fokker. looks like(?) an early stahltaube from the landing gear.
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Regarding early vs. late F for Berthold, I thought he flew both?
There is the pic as Bo says of a early DVII in his markings and then the later pic of Ltn. Oliver Freiherr von Beaulieu-Marconnay's "F" DVII that shows the over-painted winged sword of Berthold implying that he flew it prior to Ltn FvB-M?
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this picture -- is there a better copy of it where you can definitely see the winged sword? Or is it a figment?
(http://www.uh.edu/engines/fokker4d.jpg)
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Not sure if a better pic exists or no... I am just going by the research/text provided in Pheon Decals 32047 Fokker DVIIF where it states that Bertholds marking can be faintly discerned beneath FvB-M's new 4D marking....
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this picture -- is there a better copy of it where you can definitely see the winged sword? Or is it a figment?
(http://www.uh.edu/engines/fokker4d.jpg)
Bo, I don't think this could be the picture as the exhaust does not exit through the side panel and the Mid Production Louvres are present. Clearly an F though by the high mounted MGs. Like you, I think the photos I have seen are pretty clearly an Early Mercedes Powered bird. Also like you I have been blown away with research before 8) In addition It looks like the fuselage was originally Lozenge, JMHO, on this one. If I am not mistaken, even "Early" Fs would have had the exhaust exit through the side?
RAGIII
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RAG -- No one is claiming FvB-M's D.VIIF is an "early D.VII" AFIAK. The question is, is it really an ex-Berthold D.VIIF? I guess I can see the tip of an angel wing under the seatbelt, but then I can see also sorts of things if I squint enough, including a pinup girl inside the "D" ;)
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Is it possible this is essentially a repop? The original kit, 32011 has decals in the 234/18 range, which seems pretty low. It also has the early cowls, and the other early bits. Possibly another engine sprue, and revised decals?
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Is it possible this is essentially a repop? The original kit, 32011 has decals in the 234/18 range, which seems pretty low. It also has the early cowls, and the other early bits. Possibly another engine sprue, and revised decals?
quite possibly a repop, like the Alb D.Va (OAW). No real details have emerged yet beyond what can be gleaned from the photos which are all taken from approximately the same angle. Nothing on the box cover or in the photos to suggest it is one of the mythical "deluxe" boxings... but who knows!
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slightly different angle; placard moved so you can see a bit more of the instructs, but not a whole lot more to be gleaned...
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/16472823_10208036767899211_4955827525596591831_n_zpsobjgabt7.jpg)
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The second from the bottom decal sheet is likely the same as from 32011. Just busted mine out to compare.
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... and I think thats the same PE fret shown in the LH corner...
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Marking options -- photo from FB by Brett Sharman:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/16473651_1426748337369817_2971210343586190331_n_zpsodqsfhq0.jpg)
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Nice looking options included in this boxing (aren't they all)
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Marking options -- photo from FB by Brett Sharman:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/16473651_1426748337369817_2971210343586190331_n_zpsodqsfhq0.jpg)
Different markings. So, it looks to be a repop of the earlier release with five (5) new sets of markings.
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I think this picture is referred to:
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/4/8/4/ai12174640-32-thumb-Berthold_Fokker.jpg?d=1226861698)
Found this on the internet.
Nice to see this re-issued, though I'm more interested in the Camel! :)
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I think this picture is referred to:
Yes, that's the famous picture; supposedly the only known picture of a Berthold D.VII (though there seems to be more than a whiff of a chance that the D.VIIF of FvB-M seen above was ex-Berthold.)
There are wider shots where you can see the very Mercedes-like air pump at the front, and of course the guns appear to be in the lower position... so not an F at all imo.
As far a s I understand it, most of the controversy around this photo is to what extent -- if at all -- the nose is over painted with red. There are some that contend that it goes all the way back to the blue and the Fokker streaking is simply bleeding through. And on the other side, there are folks arguing that the nose isn't painted at all -- the metal panels are still Fokker green.
They say. Not me :) I have no opinion...
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Yay!
My Avatar is my favourite Fokker scheme (my old 1/6th scale RC) ;D
Guy
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Am I the only one that thinks the proportions of the background kite on the boxtop a little strange? Maybe it's the perspective of the shots or diffraction of the glass case or just my failing eyesight, but to me the nose looks far too long.
Also the Taube, whilst incredibly welcome, is represented by a build with bent pylons and exhaust pipes.
I'm delighted that we're seeing evidence of future releases, just commenting that these look like mock ups and test shots, rather than finished products.
S
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Am I the only one that thinks the proportions of the background kite on the boxtop a little strange? Maybe it's the perspective of the shots or diffraction of the glass case or just my failing eyesight, but to me the nose looks far too long.
Sorry I disagree. Actually looks pretty damn good to me:
Carrlson's highly regarded replica in flight:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgL0l4uhcAndbUiC-9jI0SPhbtw-MIhWmZmhbMJpvNc2Uh6d9h)
tilted and compared to Steve Anderson's box painting:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/sss_zpslle3gjct.jpg)
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That looks more like TVAL's Gipsy Queen-powered Rousseau D.VII-65 (http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/build-story) at Omaka to me?
Excellent to see this coming out, I may be able to buy a D.VII new now!
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That looks more like TVAL's Gipsy Queen-powered Rousseau D.VII-65 (http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/build-story) at Omaka to me?
you're right ... my mistake ... gotta find another photo now. :/
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Well I dug around on the net for a good while but I can't find another decent picture of a D.VII from more or less that same angle. Found a great video of Mikael Carlsson stunting his D.VIIF replica which did nothing to change my mind. Anyway TVAL's Gipsy- powered D.VII is pretty well proportioned to my eyes and beyond that -- Steve Anderson can be found on Facebook, he's a regular guy, and if you want to take up your issues with the proportions in the painting you may as well do it directily with him.
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That looks more like TVAL's Gipsy Queen-powered Rousseau D.VII-65 (http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/build-story) at Omaka to me?
you're right ... my mistake ... gotta find another photo now. :/
Try this one.
But if you disagree, that's fine by me. Each to his own opinion.
S
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That's TVAL's Rousseau D.VII-65 before restoration ;D
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I think we'll find that it's simply WnW 32011 with new decals. . . Not that that's a BAD thing!! Surplus streaked camo decals to trick out that Roden Dr.I in your stash, and ordering WnW's 230 HP BMW sprue will get ya the equivalent of 32031, since early/late nose panels were already in 32011.
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I think we'll find that it's simply WnW 32011 with new decals. . . Not that that's a BAD thing!! Surplus streaked camo decals to trick out that Roden Dr.I in your stash, and ordering WnW's 230 HP BMW sprue will get ya the equivalent of 32031, since early/late nose panels were already in 32011.
Yes. I think it's a re-pop, too, with 5 new sets of markings and the streaky camouflage decals and lozenge for the wings. I'm glad of it, too. Hope this is an indication that re-releases are to be the norm going forward.
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I think we'll find that it's simply WnW 32011 with new decals. . .
Yes. I think it's a re-pop, too, with 5 new sets of markings and the streaky camouflage decals and lozenge for the wings
more or less confirmed by Richard Alexander in a post by our RHWinter on facebook. I won't repost it here though --
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I think we'll find that it's simply WnW 32011 with new decals. . . Not that that's a BAD thing!! Surplus streaked camo decals to trick out that Roden Dr.I in your stash, and ordering WnW's 230 HP BMW sprue will get ya the equivalent of 32031, since early/late nose panels were already in 32011.
Yes. I think it's a re-pop, too, with 5 new sets of markings and the streaky camouflage decals and lozenge for the wings. I'm glad of it, too. Hope this is an indication that re-releases are to be the norm going forward.
A very good sign, and hopefully you are correct in that Eric. I missed a few, and a second chance would be very welcome!
Cheers,
Lance
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Agreed this is cool, though I am a little confused at marketing it as "early" - if it has the same sprue as the original Fok built DVII can you not build a early, mid and late from what is in the kit? Maybe the "early" is just regarding the decals provided?
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Agreed this is cool, though I am a little confused at marketing it as "early" - if it has the same sprue as the original Fok built DVII can you not build a early, mid and late from what is in the kit? Maybe the "early" is just regarding the decals provided?
Just like the Albatros D.Va (OAW) -- which was identical to the Albatros D.Va kit except for decals.
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Or hit up a fellow forumite that "might" have some leftover decals from the F version....
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Available to purchase, and direct from WNW
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Mine arrived this morning (from WNW direct)
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Mine arrived this morning (from WNW direct)
does it have all the parts for an F, etc as expected?
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Hi Jeff.
Almost but not quite. To build the "F" from the new release you need to purchase WNW accessory sprue 132E0013 which provides the BMW engine and cowling from the original DVII F kit.
cheers :)
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thanks for the tip. i hadn't actually even looked at the accessories page.
looks like there are accessory parts to build other DVIIs, too.
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For people who already have this kit, have a close look at the trailing edges of the upper wing. I have friends who say it is short moulded by as much as 3mm at some point on their kit. Perhaps it hasn't affected all kits, just a few. :-\
Has anyone else noticed this? Is it an issue with the mold being past its best, or is it a quality control issue, I wonder?
Cheers
Syd
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For people who already have this kit, have a close look at the trailing edges of the upper wing. I have friends who say it is short moulded by as much as 3mm at some point on their kit. Perhaps it hasn't affected all kits, just a few. :-\
Has anyone else noticed this? Is it an issue with the mold being past its best, or is it a quality control issue, I wonder?
Cheers
Syd
Mine looks ok.
P
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Mine was short-shot on the upper wing trailing edges. It also had a few other short-shots on small parts that were easy fixes.
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Wmoran, thanks for mentioning the short shot moulding. Would you mind also checking the cowl part for Berthold's machine? Is it short short molded and distorted?
Cheers
Syd
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Everything looked good with all of the cowl parts. I didn't notice the wing problem until I started to glue the two upper wing halves together and noticed the trailing edges didn't match up. After application of putty and some careful sanding, the upper wing looks okay, but I've been out of the hobby a few years and my eyes are no longer calibrated, especially now that I need to use reading glasses. I guess I'll know how much the finished wing is off once the lozenge decals are applied.
Bill