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The Hobby Showroom => Pheon Models => Topic started by: rowan broadbent on December 22, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
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All has been a bit quiet at Pheon this year, but any reports of our demise are somewhat premature....we're still going strong and now that we seem to have successfully resolved a mix of personal, work-load and printing challenges we have a series of new releases to come. We start with the repeatedly delayed Post-war Ninack/Polikarpov sets (and etched wire wheels) early next year, following that, readers of Winter Windsock will have seen that a new set for the Pfalz D.IIIa is coming to complement the two new Datafiles and then? well, what else but various flavours of the genus Camelus !
To wit, current thinking on Camel decals involves the following ideas (depending on indicated or anticipated demand):
10 Sqn RNAS stripy jobs for all three flights, red, blue and black.
Belgian Camels, including Olieslagers, Cremers, etc. - even Mantel's pink one...
The Ruston Proctor 1000th celebratory "Wings of Horus” (this as a special limited edition)
Other colourful RNAS squadrons: 9 Sqn, 3 Sqn, etc.
Camel Aces - probably two volumes
Colourful trainers and celebratory Camels – lots to choose from here!
Night fighting HD Camels (including one or two for the "Comic" in anticipation of a conversion?)
Research has been ongoing for a while, of course and with the revelation of WNW's comprehensive selection of Camel kits and confirmation of marking options, design work can now get going in earnest. We'll have to wait for the arrival of the kits in France before final design and tailoring can be completed, of course and the actual print go-ahead will depend to some degree on pre-order demand (pre-order offers and option details will be posted on the website in due course).
We'd be very interested to hear other Camel subject suggestions or particular support for any of the above ideas, either here or via email to: [email protected].
We're obviously really excited by the imminent deluge of Camels but also guessing that we'll all be seeing a number of further new releases from Wingnut Wings in 2017 – if there was ever any doubt - Happy New Year, indeed!
Rowan and Sabine wish you all a Joyeux Noel et Bonne Année!
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I'd love to see the weird Trompe L'oeil scheme done...
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A Greek Camel (as seen in the newest Windsock) would be nice ;)
Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année!
Jörg
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I agree that the possibility to make any serial number would be a big bonus!
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Wonderful news, Merry Christmas and a Happy new year to you all also.
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Exciting news to say the least! In no particular order Serial Numbers, the 10 Sqn RNAS "stripy jobs", and definitely some HD Comic Markings would be my vote for the list of projects. Excellent stuff, Rowan, and all the "Very Best" of the Season to you and Sabine!
Cheers,
Lance
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Great News!
Merry Christmas, Joyeux Noël and Fröhliche Weihnachten!
Borsos
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Outstanding Rowan. One request from me. Please include a couple of 43 Squadron aces, in particular Wooletts bird, camo and non Camo, on the Aces sheets. ;D
RAGIII
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Thanks Rowen! Great news! I will probably order most of them, and am particularly keen on the Ruston-Proctor 1000th bird. I am not sure of the Squadron off the top of my head, but how about the all-white Camel known as the White Feather? (might already be in the ones you referenced).
I wasn't terribly excited about the prospect for a WNW Camel, but with the Camelfest release and your proposed markings, I am now all in!
Best regards,
Bob
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I'd like a set of serial number characters (i.e. A,B,1,2,3...) in the correct font so that I can build the plain PC10 one hanging in the museum here.
Because we know what a fan of plain PC10 you are :)
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Definitely up for the Belgian set. I'd appreciate a heads up on which engine types are needed for them so i can get my order in. Pre publish the artwork too Rowan, as it gets the saliva flowing.
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a new set for the Pfalz D.IIIa is coming to complement the two new Datafiles
Hurray!
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I'll add my hurrah here too! Many choices, so everyone should be satisfied. So Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año Nuevo from Central California, and keep up the good work Rowan and Sabine.
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That's fantastic Rowan, the icing on the cake after WNW's news :)
My personal favourite, which I've always thought would make a great looking model , is the "War-bonds camel" B6416
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x26/tonys09/imgID7017378_zpsuafqaju0.jpg) (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/tonys09/media/imgID7017378_zpsuafqaju0.jpg.html)
Cheers,
Tony
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I may be totally alone on this (I usually am, as evidence my desire for a Martinsyde Elephant), but I would love to see a sheet(s) for 2F.1 Ship's Camel N6818, as illustrated by Ronny Bar's exquisite 3 view on the inside back cover of DF 170. One of the most beautiful and colorful Camels ever, imho.
Cheers,
Bud
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I may be totally alone on this (I usually am, as evidence my desire for a Martinsyde Elephant), but I would love to see a sheet(s) for 2F.1 Ship's Camel N6818, as illustrated by Ronny Bar's exquisite 3 view on the inside back cover of DF 170. One of the most beautiful and colorful Camels ever, imho.
Cheers,
Bud
A Martinsyde Elephant? Oh no, Bud, you're not alone!
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That's great news Rowan and I wish you and Sabine seasonal greetings.
Best wishes
Nigel
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I may be totally alone on this (I usually am, as evidence my desire for a Martinsyde Elephant), but I would love to see a sheet(s) for 2F.1 Ship's Camel N6818, as illustrated by Ronny Bar's exquisite 3 view on the inside back cover of DF 170. One of the most beautiful and colorful Camels ever, imho.
Cheers,
Bud
You're far from alone on that one Bud, I'm sure. N6818 would be a most popular choice, Ronny Bar's artwork just screams out "model me"
Cheers,
Tony
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I hope you also produce these in 1/48th scale.
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I hope you also produce these in 1/48th scale.
Yeah, me too!
Cheers,
Bud
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Season's Greetings Rowan
I'd like to model 'P' D8101 of 66 Sqdn so that would be my personal first choice - just a remarkably typical 'Camel' looking Camel, if you see what I mean? Illustrated on p37 of the Osprey 'Aces' title and there's a picture of this a/c on page 22 of the datafile, so I imagine this might fit in with your 'Aces' proposal - hopefully!
Otherwise I'd also like a sheet of the various letters/numbers used by different manufacturers for serials. That would be a real asset both for Camels and perhaps also for other, older types such as the DH2?
Thanks very much and I look forward to your conjuring!
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Season's Greetings Rowan
I'd like to model 'P' D8101 of 66 Sqdn so that would be my personal first choice - just a remarkably typical 'Camel' looking Camel, if you see what I mean? Illustrated on p37 of the Osprey 'Aces' title and there's a picture of this a/c on page 22 of the datafile, so I imagine this might fit in with your 'Aces' proposal - hopefully!
Otherwise I'd also like a sheet of the various letters/numbers used by different manufacturers for serials. That would be a real asset both for Camels and perhaps also for other, older types such as the DH2?
Thanks very much and I look forward to your conjuring!
amen.
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How about No. 65 Squadron F39911 "V" of Lt. A G Jones-Williams, No. 4 Squadron F1929 "Fums Up", No. 13 Squadron/ RNAS B6212 "Black Prince" of FSL W A Moyle just to name a few.
Brian Riedel
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I'd like a set of serial number characters (i.e. A,B,1,2,3...) in the correct font so that I can build the plain PC10 one hanging in the museum here.
Because we know what a fan of plain PC10 you are :)
As Bo observes, Justin will have his little joke ;D..... but in all seriousness, producing such a selection of letters/numbers is not a simple task: 5,704 F.1 Camels were completed from nine different sub-contractors - each of whom had their own preferred "typeface" or sign writer's text (sometimes even this differed, depending on which particular sign writer was "on shift" for any given day) and the style of presentation and position of application of serials also varied between contractors. Just creating a single set of numbers and letters is quite an undertaking and the prospect of nine - plus variations - is daunting indeed!
I think many modellers in the WWI field, particularly if coming from other modelling eras, mistakenly expect levels of standardisation which were commonplace by the Second World War, often forgetting that 1914-18 was right at the start of mass production and the standardised systems to which that revolution gave birth. There were some exceptions, of course - particularly on the Teutonic side of the lines: printed camouflage fabrics, eiserneskreutz sizes and Pfalz stenciled serials, as some examples, but the sign writers art was still flourishing in Britain and it was these men (and it seems to have been an exclusively male profession) who found wartime employment at such places as aircraft and vehicle factories.
British serial numbers and their variations would make an interesting study for someone for publication in C&C, perhaps? I'd certainly read it!
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Speaking of 65 Squadron... how about E1537, a Ruston & Proctor built, Clerget 140hp powered (s/n 2303) 65Sqn Camel that came down in The Netherlands on 7-10-1918. It carried a bomb rack on that day. It was, other than the vertical bars on each side of the roundel, marked with a somewhat stylized "L" and carried the name "Bubbles". On that day it was flown by 2nd Lieutenant B. Lockey, who was interned in The Hague.
On 20-9-1918 and 1-10-1918 Captain N.E. Chandler used it to shoot down 2 Fokker D.VIIs, one on each day. On 2-10-1918 Chandler was wounded by Flak in E1537.
The aircraft was repaired and apparently recieved the Dutch serial S226 (unconfirmed), but repairs weren't completed and it was given back to the RAF on 12-3-1920.
I have 2 rather clear pictures of it in the Interned Aircraft of WWI book I recently got, though since it nosed over the aircraft is missing the wings, save for the centre section. Somewhat unfortunately, while they show the front and rear rather well, they're both of the same side (left).
Might not be the most colourful, but I'd love to see it included... based on the instructions of the WnW Camels I can try to figure out what optional parts to use, too?
Jeroen
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Rowan,
I hope your plans are going well for the Came Aces sheet/s! One thing I noticed looking at my kit that arrived today is the MANY VARIANTS offered for Cowlings, upper fuselage, etc. I have a couple of photos of Wooletts Camel but would be totally unsure as to which set up to use. So a suggestion for you for those of us that aren't quite as good as others at picking out details. Perhaps something like probably similar to option D in the Clerget version would be helpful.
RAGIII
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I don't know enough about Sopwith Camels to make an informed request, but from the suggestions you have given this sounds like a sheet I will buy. Looking forward to when you produce it.
On a totally different tangent I have a Fokker Tripe scheme I would love to see. Maybe if you have some spare room on this or one of your other new sheets you could maybe add it as a bonus? It is the Royal Newfoundland Air Force Cod in the Ring Fokker Triplane.
(http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/ArchivedStories/RNAF4.jpg)
as reported here http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/222/The-Pink-and-the-Black--The-Royal-Newfoundland-Air-Force.aspx
As I said if you have room and want to add a bonus.
Thanks.
James
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How about "Sylvestre" with Cleopatra and the snake on the fuselage, or maybe a Georgian Camel? Something "completely different".
Thanks,
Tnarg
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Unless I missed it on the WNW site, I was disappointed to see that they did not include an option for No.4 AFC's Arthur Cobby. There was some mention of them releasing extra decal sets later, so perhaps his will be on one of those.
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a sheet of aces would be divine, since the Camel probably made as many aces as widows.
WNW included a Collishaw camel, but made the baffling choice of B6390 instead of D3417.
as someone mentioned, we need Cobby!
and little, definitely Little. i've seen an ALPS printed set for Little but he deserves the Pheon treatment.
Fall and Quigley would be nice additions too.
really like the idea of an RNAS set... and wish you'd reprint the Tripehounds...
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Rowan, PLEASE, oh Please include roundels with you Camel sheets! Everything I've read about the kit decals indicates that they are pure rubbish, reminiscent of Roden's cursed beasties. Please.
Cheers,
Bud
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a particular aircraft i'd like to see is the 203 sqn Camel that Collishaw, then Tom Falcon Hazell flew. Ideally, both sets of markings (i'd buy both and might even build both).
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hi Rowan
great news about your continued recovery - following on from your EV remark, - I'd hope for the Camel I mentioned earlier as part of the Aces sheet(s) but that's me being selfish. I'll guess it's either Horus or, maybe most likely, the 10 Sqn RNAS stripy jobs for all three flights, red, blue and black.
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Hoping it will include at least one 43 squadron Ace..So I guess Henry Woolett ;D
RAGIII
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My guess is Camel Aces Part 1. Hope Cobby and his Charlie Chaplin will be in it.
Cheers
Syd
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Rowan. Any news on RFC/RAF markings?
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Rowan,
Probably closing the gate long after the horse has gone however markings for Camel D 3332 flown by A.W. "Nick" Carter as CO 210 Sqn. in early 1918 with his initials "AWC" would be a welcome arrival. :)
Looking forward to the Camel Aces choices and also the RNAS "Stripy Jobs" if they make the cut!
Cheers,
Lance
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Here's hoping that with the WnW Camels now selling in the $60 range, Pheon will have sufficient incentive to produce a plethora of sheets... Heck, It's come to the point that I'm now going to be forced to offer complimentary Pheon decals just to unload my "New Mold" Hobbycraft Camels!!
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Rowan....any Camel livery on a nearby horizon?