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Title: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Borsos on August 15, 2016, 08:20:41 PM
Good morning friends,

after a holiday break I'd like to present my first steps in building a diorama for the diorama group build. I intend to do a scene at the site where a German twoseater crashed after being shot down over the bloody Somme battlefields in fall 1916. Some soldiers came along to watch the wreckage while the victorious RFC pilot is brought to the site by his driver in a Vauxhall staff car from his airfield, accompanied by a fellow RFC officer. I want to portray him in the very moment when he sees the dead enemies lying on the ground and his feelings of victory get mixed with bitterness facing the grimm reality of war.

So far in theory. The story of this diorama needs several special figures. The big advantage of bigger scale (1/32, 1/35) is that there are several wonderful injection moulded wwi figures and many even better resin figures. ICM, Masterbox and Tamiya for instance offer high quality wwi infantry of many nations and the resin products of Aviattic, Tommy's War, Wingcockpit, Elan13, Black Dog, CSM and several others are well known here. The problem is: If you want to model a very special scene, all these figures don't have fitting poses. The plastic figures offer mostly the usual fighting poses, the aircrew figures are rather static, made for being put next (or on)to an airplane. If you want to tell a certain story, you cannot go without convert existing figures or sculpting your own respectively. All the great Diorama makers, like Per Olav Lund (if you haven't seen his works: they are breathtaking!), had to go this way. I personnel love figures and dioramas and did several attempts to convert existing figures at first in 1/72 and 1/48, and I am still struggling with that challenge. Sculpting and painting a good figure for me is still the peak (or one of the peaks) of modelling. Although I made some progress compared to my first tries, I still have a lot ( a lot lot lot) to learn. But converting figures makes fun, you don't need to have a huge working space (therefore you can even take your projects with you when you go on holiday) and many things are even much easier than thought - especially if you use aftermarket products.
As this Group Build is about dioramas and dioramas often need figures, I thought it would possibly be a good idea to share my approach in figure conversion.
There are many more relatively cheap figure sets around that contain many useful poses that one could need for a diorama. ICM, Masterbox, Dragon, Mini Art, Tamiya, and many other manufacturers offer a huge variety of figures. The problem is: They don't fit WWI, the vast maiority is WW2. And you'll frequently come to the point where you need a special pose that is not offered as a multipose 1/35 figure and you have to scratchbuilt it, by mixing legs, arms and torsos of several other figures.
These are my solutions to get the figures I need:
1. To detail existing custom made figures
2. To "backdate" existing custom made figures to the desired epoque.
3. To scratchbuid figures with poses not yet offered.
I'll give an example for every of these three ways amd I hope, you like it or can use some of these ideas for your own diorama projects.


Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: FarEast on August 15, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
Looking forward to this Borsos!

Sounds like a great Diorama 
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: stefanbuss on August 15, 2016, 10:09:51 PM
I will be following very closely - as you know i had changed a CSM figure recently and would like to learn how you will do that.

Stefan
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: IanB on August 15, 2016, 11:48:54 PM
Very interesting scene, I'll be following!
 That photo made me think...I'm just reading "The Somme" by Richard van Emden and literally yesterday read a passage by a Private of the 1/6th Gloucestershire Regiment about the skeletons lying about. He vividly describes "one little fellow, about 4'10" (1.47m), with a small forage cap covering his skull....there is some sorrowing mother away in far Fatherland who mourns her son - probably never knows that he lies uncovered in enemy territory..."
 I wonder if this was the same man....it certainly brings it all home a little more......

Ian
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2016, 12:36:29 AM
I am looking forward to seeing your work on the figures!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 16, 2016, 02:50:37 AM
Thank you for your interest!
1. Adding detail to a custom made figure. That's quite a simple step. As said before there are many well made figure sets on the market now and all offer great potential. The stuff I have at home to add more detail are at first the great "weapons and equipment" sets from ICM and secondly a collection of resin heads from hornet & wolf. There are other brands too, but hornet offers a wide range of different face expressions. I have many bold heads, some with hairs and some even with ww1 headgear. For my diorama i choose a set from Masterbox. It contains standing British Infantry of 1916.
(http://www.mbltd.info/img/35146_3.jpg)
The poses are suitable and they carry the leather equipment instead of the 1908 web kit which fits for Kitchener's army. They also carry the early style gas mask bags. But the expression of the faces could be better and the steel helmets are way too small. Some hornet heads instead of the kit's heads and steel helmets from ICM and it looks much better. straps and ribbons are made with Tamiya tape. All standing infantry men of this project are done this way. I took small amounts of Green stuff to create the hairs with the help of a needle. Onto the hairs I placed the steel helmets.
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwldii/img_2700.jpg)
Soon more will follow...
Thank you
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on August 16, 2016, 03:02:31 AM
This is going to be another incredibly realistic dio of yours with no punches pulled - good. It is all to easy to forget the sheer horrors that those men went through (and still do today in war zones), this will act as a timely reminder to all that despite the colourful schemes and wonderful detail that we add to our models, the originals were there to deal death or injury to someone.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on August 16, 2016, 03:39:32 AM
Extraordinary work on the figures, Borsos!  I would be thrilled if I could do a decent job of simply painting figures, never mind modifying them to such an extent.  This is going to be another of your masterpieces, my friend.  Will the LVG be in the scene and what will you be using as the basis for it?
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2016, 04:34:04 AM
I have to agree with my Amigo, Extraordinary work on the figures indeed! I struggle with painting figures and like Bud I can only imagine doing conversion work on them to your standard!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: stefanbuss on August 16, 2016, 04:46:27 AM
Close ups, please! You talk about hair, but i cannot see any haircut at all. How dare you!!!!

 8)

Honestly: Closeups would be appreciated, especially of the dead crew.

S.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Jim on August 16, 2016, 06:38:02 AM
Close ups, please! You talk about hair, but i cannot see any haircut at all. How dare you!!!!

 8)

Honestly: Closeups would be appreciated, especially of the dead crew.

S.

Stefan - there are close-ups of the dead crew in Borsos' photo bucket. If you click on one of the one of the posted photos it should open so you can see the others.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on August 16, 2016, 07:12:10 AM
You are doing an excellent job so far with what is going to be a brilliant diorama, the work you do on the figures is amazing.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 16, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
It is all to easy to forget the sheer horrors that those men went through (and still do today in war zones), this will act as a timely reminder to all that despite the colourful schemes and wonderful detail that we add to our models, the originals were there to deal death or injury to someone.

Stephen.

Absolutely, Stephen, thank you for bringing it to the point!

Thank you all for your interest! Bud, yes, I wanted to show the LVG too, but I don't know yet exactly how. Edo was so kind and share his technique of modelling destroyed wooden airframe by using wood and leadfoil. I will definitely show some destroyed parts of the LVG, but my plan is to build a wreck that is still recognisable as an LVG C II. I have to see, how much time there is going to bel left as I start a new job in mid September and I am sure that I have much less time for modelling

Of course, the close ups:  As described, I only changed the heads and added some ICM equipment and some Tamiya tape here and there. To fit the tin hats, I created some hairs with Green Stuff (ah, and some bags are made of this material too):
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiial/img_2945.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiai/img_2946.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiaw/img_2947.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiior/img_2949.jpg)
Then I'd talk about step 2: Backdating custom made figures of other ages (mainly WW2, as the maiority of multipose plastic figures are WW2 stuff). It's always good to collect what you get your hands on, especially when there's a sellout somewhere. Most sets cost about 5-10€ and they are a wonderful raw material for conversions.
this Sergeant of the British medical service is such a conversion of another Masterbox figure:
(http://www.mbltd.info/img/3515_pic.jpg) (the head is hornet again. He still needs some shoes...)
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiol/img_2995.jpg)
And at last creating own poses. For the dead aircrew I just used some legs from a set of WW2 Russian infantry
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwldww/img_2699.jpg) (https://picload.org/image/rpdwldwi/img_2698.jpg) The goggles will follow after painting, I want to create them with clear plastic.
One clue here is to split every complex structur mentally into simple geometrical figures.
Again I just can offer in progress shots of the British pilot - Sorry!
I want him to walk from the car to the crash site, to look after the casualties and to pause. I played around with many figure parts and in the end I started with these two legs:
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiidl/img_2934.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiidi/img_2935.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiidw/img_2936.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiida/img_2701.jpg)
the fur boots were a torture to sculpt. A wife who thinks its funny to ask you why you model a soldier with a suspender belt doesn't make it easier...
the coat
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiar/img_2937.jpg) (https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiaa/img_2938.jpg)it's important here to leave the Green stuff set for a while. When the material is rolled out, it's good to wait about an hour before using it for the coat.
That's the status quo at the moment. I still have to finish this pilot and the Vauxhall staff car and add a driver, create the crashed LVG and at last I want to add a messenger with his (Aviattic) motorbike who watches the scene. Well, 9 months can go fast...
I hope you like it and it could be of any use for your projects. Please feel free to ask whatever you want!
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lcarroll on August 16, 2016, 09:16:04 AM
Borsos,
    What incredible work, the details you are adding are nothing short of spectacular! I am transfixed by the "Fug" boots you've added to the pilots legs, again incredible detail. As our French Members say, "Chapeau"! I'll be following this Thread closely, just superb!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: FarEast on August 16, 2016, 09:36:12 AM
Absolutely amazing! Thank you so much for sharing your techniques! It has really given me the confidence to grab a stack of 1:32 WWII figures and some "Green Stuff"

Also in one of the photos is a Blue Reference card showing 54mm body shapes - where did you get this from as I really need a reference guide.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: stefanbuss on August 16, 2016, 02:30:00 PM
Thank you for those close-ups. The coat is most impressive (as the fur boots, very well done). I think converting figures is a rewarding task, if succesfull. Otherwise it tends to drain my modelling mojo very very fast.

Can you tell us what references you use for your conversion jobs?

S:
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on August 16, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
You make it look so easy.
That is the peak of modeling.
Thank you for showing.
In my head there are so many ideas that are based on figures...may be I will try to do something like you have done...one day.
And yes, as you say, Per Olaf Lund is one of the greatest diorama artists around the world and his work is very inspiring to me.
You should also check out the work of Marijn van Gils from the KMK in Belgium.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Ssasho0 on August 16, 2016, 05:30:48 PM
wow, thats both cool and usefull, thanks for posting :)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on August 17, 2016, 04:11:04 AM
That looks so easy as Manni has written - I just wish that it was as easy as it looks! Very impressive indeed - this is going to be an amazing duo when complete.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 19, 2016, 07:26:47 PM
Also in one of the photos is a Blue Reference card showing 54mm body shapes - where did you get this from as I really need a reference guide.

H James, you find this reference here: http://www.ironmammoth.talktalk.net/imd/scaleguide.html
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: FarEast on August 20, 2016, 07:26:00 PM
Also in one of the photos is a Blue Reference card showing 54mm body shapes - where did you get this from as I really need a reference guide.

H James, you find this reference here: http://www.ironmammoth.talktalk.net/imd/scaleguide.html

Thank you so much for this! Very helpful in my endeavors!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: gbrivio on August 20, 2016, 08:34:22 PM
I really like how your build is going on. Thank you for sharing such interesting and useful informations on figures.
Giuseppe
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 22, 2016, 06:56:01 AM
Thank you, Giuseppe, I really appreciate your comment.
James, your welcome, I hope it is what you are looking for!

Just a small update today: The pilot got his head. I gave him heavily leather padded goggles like they are visible on contemporary photos. What you can see is the padding, the glasses will follow after painting.
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiioa/img_2980.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiiow/img_3005.jpg)
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on August 22, 2016, 08:43:28 AM
I love watching you work your magic with the figures, exceptional work.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on August 22, 2016, 03:40:35 PM
Wow, as Des said...it's magic. Now I know I have to learn and practice alot more.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on August 23, 2016, 01:57:32 AM
I'm merely a model builder.  You are a true artist, Andreas!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 26, 2016, 05:11:06 AM
Des, Justin, Bud, Manni, thank you so much for your friendly words!

The British pilot is finished so far.
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiilw/img_3232.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiicr/img_3233.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiicl/img_3234.jpg)
Now all figures are done, besides of the staff car's driver and the messenger on the P & M Motorbike. But I have to finish these vehicles first, then I can add drivers...
The first guy, the medical service sergeant, got some paint. I am still struggling with the change from oils to Acrylics, but I can live with him so far. But he seems to be a bit short-sighted, I'll give him some glasses.
(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiilr/img_3014.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiila/img_3087.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiill/img_3172.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rpdwiili/img_3173.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: stefanbuss on August 26, 2016, 04:14:39 PM
The medical guy looks as he is going to vomit.  :o
I really like the young pilot's look, although i am not convinced about the coat's thickness.

S.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on August 26, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
Oh my... now he is a talented figure painter, too....
Chapeau,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on August 26, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
The medical guy looks as he is going to vomit.  :o
I really like the young pilot's look, although i am not convinced about the coat's thickness.

S.

Na ja, Krieg ist ja auch zum Kotzen  :)
You are absolutely right, I need to reduce the thickness of the coat by sanding down the edges.
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on August 28, 2016, 05:08:39 AM
These figures are outstanding. In spite of your transition from oils to acrylics you are still making a superb job of this.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: zavod44 on September 03, 2016, 05:21:43 AM
Why bother switch from oils?
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on September 03, 2016, 07:52:14 AM
Thanks for looking in and your comments!

Why bother switch from oils?

Now I can just take my palette and some water and paint while the kids are playing - I didn't do that when using turpentine. Generally I have no more headache after a 4hrs. painting session. And besides of that I switched because I am a bad paint mixer. Highlighting by just adding white to the base color or shadowing by adding black doesn't always work and frequently looks odd. Often when using oils  I didn't match the tone I had had in mind. Now I really like those Acrylic color packs for the most important colors (field grey, khaki, horizon blue...) that include a base, highlight and shadow. One can mix these tones down and they simply fit in a matter I never had achieved using oils. One last thing is the covering of oils. If you paint e. g. red piping on a field grey uniform, oils simply are much less visible than acrylics.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on September 06, 2016, 10:08:49 AM
My God, those are phenomenal, Andreas!  Can't wait to see them all together!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on September 06, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
Wow, Andreas, I like your painting style. They are not so washed and smooth, they look sharp and pointed, simply great.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: elanlane on September 07, 2016, 06:11:02 AM
Your conversions of the figures are very good and you have evolved your original concept into reality very effectively. Using artwork posed in the position you want, as you have done, is a good way to make a start with converting. When sculpting figures I ask my wife to take 360 degree photos of me  in the pose I want to recreate, preferably wearing similar clothing. It gives a good idea of the anatomy and the hang of the clothing.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on September 07, 2016, 05:47:41 PM
I just can echo what the others have said!
What amazes me most is your ability to change a WW2 subject to a WW1.
It is just amazing! Sculpting is something I sometimes have tried but with less than expected results... :-[
As far as cutting is concerned I have no problems, but then when it comes to rejoin it seems to me I just obtain a Franklestein-like result  :-\
Do you think it would be possible for you to develop a small tutorial?
What is the green putty you use? I generally use Milliput 2 components putty, but it is very hard to model as it seems to prefere to stick to my fingers and not to the figure...

ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Syd Solo on September 08, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
This is a Masterclass! Glasses in this scale - I mean your skill is almost preternatural.
Syd
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on September 08, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
superb work on the figures borsos . are you going to scratch build the lvg c.ii?
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25h
Post by: Borsos on September 09, 2016, 06:55:37 AM
Thank you so much for all your very kind words. I really appreciate them!
Your conversions of the figures are very good and you have evolved your original concept into reality very effectively. Using artwork posed in the position you want, as you have done, is a good way to make a start with converting. When sculpting figures I ask my wife to take 360 degree photos of me  in the pose I want to recreate, preferably wearing similar clothing. It gives a good idea of the anatomy and the hang of the clothing.
Thank you very much for sharing your hints! I do own some of your figures and I love all of them.

I just can echo what the others have said!
What amazes me most is your ability to change a WW2 subject to a WW1.
It is just amazing! Sculpting is something I sometimes have tried but with less than expected results... :-[
As far as cutting is concerned I have no problems, but then when it comes to rejoin it seems to me I just obtain a Franklestein-like result  :-\
Do you think it would be possible for you to develop a small tutorial?
What is the green putty you use? I generally use Milliput 2 components putty, but it is very hard to model as it seems to prefere to stick to my fingers and not to the figure...

ciao
edo
Hi Edo, I once also used Milliput and didn't like it at all. For larger parts I use Apoxie sculpt and for small details I use this stuff here: http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/55-green-stuff .It's also very very sticky and you always have to wetten your fingers and sculpting tools, but then it works fine. I think I know very well what you mean with Frankenstein-likeness. It is often problematic to cut figures into pieces and to reassemble their arms and legs differently posed. I even got problems with mixing arms and legs from different manufacturers. I've got no general solution for such situations besides of going on playing around with different body parts until the result looks right (oh yes, that sounds Mary Shelley-style...!)  :)
Of course I can offer a tutorial, it's an honor for me if you'd like to know how I convert figures. What exactly would you like to know?

are you going to scratch build the lvg c.ii?

This was actually my plan, but at the moment I have doubts.  I like the look of the LVG C II too much to destroy a scratchbuilt model of this bird and besides of that I am afraid not to finish this project then at all. As Converting the figures already took quite an amount of time (and I didn't finish that job yet), painting takes very long time and I still have to finish the scratchbuilt Vauxhall staff car. Additionaly scratchbuilding  a whole wrecked airplane would take even more time and there are so many kits I'd like to build. I am afraid to have gotten much too ambitious.
Some days ago I ordered another WNW Albatros B II kit. The Albatros C I reconnaissance plane was developed out of that airplane and differs mainly in its front dimensions. If I'd 'smash' these front parts I would "just" have to change pilot and observer's place and to add a gunring to have a crashed Albatros C I. And an Albatros C I would fit well into 1916 and the Somme aerea. E. g. KagOHL 4 used them there. I even didn't exclude the option to built one of my WNW Rolands C II as a shot down plane here. I think to built a kit as a crashed plane is going to be much less work than to scratchbuild it. Since Edo explained me his way to portray damaged canvas covered wings, I wish to try out his technique. It's just so hard to decide which one of these beautiful airplanes I could 'smash', because I don't think I would built this same type soon again as an undestroyed example. And as I already have built a 1/48 Albatros C III, I think I could live with smashing a C I...
Borsos (still thinking and thinking...)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on September 09, 2016, 04:56:58 PM
Hey borsos!
thank you for the info!
as for the tutorial, il would be great to see the whole process: from original figure, to morphing, basic sculpting (p.es. adding a coat), to painting... as long as others and Des in particular, do agree.
Do you think it could be feasable?
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lcarroll on September 09, 2016, 11:22:08 PM
   Having a skill level for figures in the negative spectrum I'd really value and enjoy a basic tutorial as well, go for it Borsos!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on September 11, 2016, 03:17:29 AM
I echo what Lance has written! I agree too that "wrecking" a good kit would be a real shame - but equally scratch-building it in this scale would mean a couple of year's work!
Whatever you finally choose to do it will be well worth looking at and a build worth following.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on September 11, 2016, 03:45:43 AM
Sorry I am late again in commenting. Beautiful work on painting the figures. I too would enjoy the Tutorial!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: FarEast on September 11, 2016, 07:53:19 AM
O. K., meanwhile I painted two other guys and gave the sergeant his glasses
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyz70gydy.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyz70gydy.jpeg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5tgrhbac.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5tgrhbac.jpeg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsml6n1o5s.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsml6n1o5s.jpeg.html)
Borsos

Incredible Borsos - could you take a photo of the figures from a greater distance and if possible with a 50mm lens? The reason I ask is because I want to see how the layers blend together at a more natural viewing point. Right now they look like oil paintings but I know for a fact that with the eyeball MK1 they will look incredible and the 50mm taken from further distance and then cropped will look amazing!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: FarEast on September 16, 2016, 10:13:57 AM
Congratulations on the job!

I'm also a teacher and the work load is huge..... even more so when you become a deputy head/principle! But yes it is probably the most rewarding jobs there is.

Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on September 26, 2016, 05:25:40 AM
Simply gorgeous!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on September 26, 2016, 06:17:06 PM
Wow. I know some real good figure painters and they woudl say your technique is too rough. But I like it so much. The textures pop into the eye. The colours are so deep. Superb.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on September 27, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
Thank you Rick and Manni!

Wow. I know some real good figure painters and they woudl say your technique is too rough. But I like it so much. The textures pop into the eye. The colours are so deep. Superb.
Manni

Manni, I think I wouldn't call it a technique. I'd rather speak about a learning process or simply trial and error  :). I think your friends are right, although the contrasts pop out more on the pics than in real life. The deep colors are the main argument to try out Acrylics, if you keep on with oils you can much better blend the single layers.
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on September 28, 2016, 01:10:04 AM
They look fantastic, Andreas!  Better and better with each update!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on October 17, 2016, 06:36:26 AM
These figures are a scene in themselves without the crashed aircraft. This has the potential to win prizes in any competition anywhere. Simply wonderful figure modelling and painting.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on October 17, 2016, 07:39:18 AM
Absolutely brilliant Borsos, looking forward to seeing these figures in diorama, it will look spectacular.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on October 17, 2016, 08:00:06 AM
Outstanding composition and work on your figures! They look great now but once mounted on the base will be Brilliant!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on October 17, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
I agree with all the above! The plane could only be guessed and still remain a great diorama.
Very well done!
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on October 18, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
Oh, so unbelievable brilliant. The figures are just terrific. I love that scene.
Chapeau,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on October 27, 2016, 05:24:34 AM
Thank you very much for all your kind words!

I thought it would be time for some work on my Vauxhall 25hp staff car. I started this build some months ago here, where you can find pics of the build until now:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=7494.0

Now I made som progress on the mudguards
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswsqstbat.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswsqstbat.jpeg.html)
cut out the doors
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsg0xf8v1k.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsg0xf8v1k.jpeg.html)
and attached the main parts
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpshzu0fwl0.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpshzu0fwl0.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsate4bpv2.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsate4bpv2.jpeg.html)
The wheels are only loosely attached for the photos.
I hope you like it.
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on October 27, 2016, 07:38:24 AM
Andreas, your work on the Vauxhall is phenomenal!  Master modeling at its best!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on October 27, 2016, 08:24:21 AM
Andreas, your work on the Vauxhall is phenomenal!  Master modeling at its best!
Cheers,
Bud

Master class modeling indeed!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on October 27, 2016, 09:38:48 AM
Superb workmanship on the Vauxhall Borsos.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on October 27, 2016, 10:56:00 PM
Incredible workmanship on your Vauxhall 25hp staff car.  Can't wait to see it all come together, will be quite stunning.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on October 28, 2016, 03:51:29 PM
Andreas, again a piece of art.
Great job.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on October 29, 2016, 06:05:17 AM
Bud, Rick, Des, Juan and Manni, thank you very much for your comments and your interest!

Some first dryfitting of the mudguards today:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ia6bnyh.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ia6bnyh.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswajfddnv.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswajfddnv.jpeg.html)
Of course the seats need new cushions...
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on October 29, 2016, 07:48:46 AM
Great work on the mudguards Borsos.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on November 11, 2016, 07:46:10 AM
Thank you Des!!!

in the meantime I made new cushions for the seats
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ysi4vrl.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ysi4vrl.jpeg.html)
I added the spare wheel
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsj75efqdn.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsj75efqdn.jpeg.html)
and was happy to find much more photos than I knew until then... Luckily just in time and not too late
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95112191@N02/sets/72157634236469984
According to these pics I reworked the interior
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyyx9lav1.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyyx9lav1.jpeg.html)
(compared to these pics, the distance between the rear doors and the backseat is too big. So the Ken Musgrave plans are not too precise here. Well, I'll live with that :) )
Here's the dashboard that I made with some HGW beezels and some airscale aircraft decals for the instruments. Well, it's an R.F.C. car, isn't it?
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqeotmpuj.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqeotmpuj.jpeg.html)
When I started to make the driver I took pics of every minor step as I intented to make the long promised tutorial with him. So I chose this miniart set
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbnfnljw1.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbnfnljw1.jpeg.html) (http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgsnjni9j.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgsnjni9j.jpeg.html)
This guy should be the one and here are the main parts
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxflzyaqv.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxflzyaqv.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsx2sgptcn.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsx2sgptcn.jpeg.html)
It fits the car. Carving everything away that looks too Russian and too less British...
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsmttgvnt9.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsmttgvnt9.jpeg.html)
Drilling the arm for adding wire to change the pose(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsolywcn01.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsolywcn01.jpeg.html)
... then I thinned down the legs and made putees out of tamiya tape
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpse1edf8to.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpse1edf8to.jpeg.html)
And when I had started sculpting the R.F.C. maternity jacket...
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsaveegbst.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsaveegbst.jpeg.html)
... and then I realized that I had forgotten to take pics of the sculpting process...  ::) Sorry! I'll do that tutorial. Promised!
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsndt62rzb.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsndt62rzb.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxe9ojan9.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxe9ojan9.jpeg.html)
Driver finished, crying for paint...
And some more figures I didn't show yet. I wanted to have a Scotsman with a kilt.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdqtkxbrb.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdqtkxbrb.jpeg.html)
Once more all together:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszwhhcxek.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszwhhcxek.jpeg.html)
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: IanB on November 11, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
Those figures really are superb. I'm looking forward to seeing this all together.

Ian
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on November 11, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
I agree with Ian!
those figures are just great!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on November 11, 2016, 05:00:41 PM
Sorry, when I repeat myself, but you are a real master, everything looks terrific, the modifications of the figures, the outstanding car and the superb paintjob.
In tiefer Verneigung,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on November 12, 2016, 12:30:24 AM
Gorgeous work on the car and phenominal conversion work on the driver!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on November 12, 2016, 08:02:55 AM
The work on the car is extremely good - you really are a talented modeller. The figures are also first class - and thank you for the mini - tutorial on the figure.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on November 19, 2016, 07:55:50 AM
Ian, Edo, Manni, Rick, Stephen, thank you very much for your encouraging words, they are highly appreciated!


Today some in progress shots of the Vauxhall, after finishing the painting (there is still much to do: Highlighting the seats, weathering the interior and exterior, dull coat and many other things...) I have to add some minor details, some lights and the hood. I think, I'll leave it open and uncovered, as I want the driver figure to remain visible. But I can see the finishing line, at least for the car.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsmbjjjeci.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsmbjjjeci.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpshnioydh8.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpshnioydh8.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsva3b3rjd.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsva3b3rjd.jpeg.html)
The number is pure fiction and I used some decals of the Tommy's War Crossley Light Tender, because there are enough numbers in the kit. They are a little bit on the large side compared with photos of original Vauxhalls, but I had no other decals.
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on November 19, 2016, 08:33:43 AM
Gorgeous! Your car has really taken on some character with the painting!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on November 20, 2016, 04:07:12 AM
And that is just the car! With the figures alone this would make a simply superb duo - what will it look like with the wrecked aircraft? Do you intend to display this in a museum?

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: jeroen_R90S on November 20, 2016, 07:25:39 AM
What more can I add......... Looking great!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on November 20, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
Superb work reshaping and re-positioning the driver figure, he will really look the part once completed.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on November 21, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
Geil am Seil (outstanding)
Just incredible. The colour modulation is perfect, the car by it self is perfectly done (you should go and sell resin copies), beautiful interieur. Hammer!
Gruß,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on November 23, 2016, 11:14:29 PM
Dear Justin, Rick, Stephen, Jeroen, Des and Manni,
thank you very much for your kind and encouraging words, Vielen Dank!

Meanwhile I finished painting and weathering (there will be some more mud when the car's attached to its base) and can call this step of the whole diorama project done too. Now I just need to build the motorcycle and the wrecked aircraft...

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpszszk0rjx.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpszszk0rjx.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsptsiji2x.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsptsiji2x.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsnfqm3teh.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsnfqm3teh.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpssdmzflij.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpssdmzflij.jpeg.html)

Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on November 24, 2016, 02:52:05 AM
Going to be quite a display when done.  Your work is outstanding.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on November 24, 2016, 08:36:31 AM
Stunning work on the car and figure. Looking forward to the rest!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 03, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Thank you Juan, thank you, Rick!

I started with the motorcycle. It's the now-out-of-production AVIATTIC resin kit containing white metal and PE parts too. It's a challenging kit, I love it very much. The mudguards needed some Green Stuff to fix some minor defects, but nothing impossible to do. There are some flashes here and there but the fit is really fine, e. g. the PE spokes fit the rim perfectly. It is really sad that this kit is no longer available!
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsjwk4mhb0.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsjwk4mhb0.jpeg.html)
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 05, 2016, 08:18:37 AM
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsmiyprdwq.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsmiyprdwq.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpshpc6epyy.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpshpc6epyy.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on December 05, 2016, 09:39:01 AM
Wow Borsos, looking great as usual.  The spokes on your wheels are a work of art onto themselves.  Wish Aviattic still had this gem available.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on December 05, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Ah, this will be the next gem in your terrific dio.
Chapeau,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Monty on December 06, 2016, 04:50:34 AM
Borsos, that is a beautiful Vauxhall! I do like the colours and the textures you have achieved! A little Masterpiece on it's own! Great progress on the motorbike too... Regards, Marc
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 08, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
Thank you very much Juan, Manni and Marc for your kind comments!

I finished the build of the motorcycle. Now it needs a primer, some careful cleaning up, paint and at last some cables - and not to forget: a driver. This resin kit was a real joy and turned out to be a delicate, but not too difficult build once the spokes are attached. As it is obvious I replaced many resin parts with brass rod. As far as I know this is the only WWI motorcycle besides the new Meng offering of a 1917 Peugeot and it's really a pitty that it's sold out now.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps5simfjzs.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps5simfjzs.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on December 09, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
Fantastic work on a great limited run kit! Oh how I wish I could afford EVERY release done by Aviattic! I should have studied harder in College  :(
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on December 09, 2016, 03:53:18 AM
That motorcycle looks very realistic indeed without paint! The elements of your duo are building pup well - it will be a masterpiece when it is complete.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 11, 2016, 06:46:51 AM
Thank you very much, Richard, Rick and Stephen!

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps5zzrm0sh.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps5zzrm0sh.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpstlkuh7c1.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpstlkuh7c1.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsyszjcddo.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsyszjcddo.jpeg.html)
The driver, or, well as I should call him, the rider is almost finished. He just still needs some goggles. I used the motorcycle rider from the new Meng French tanker set. There's a French motorcycle messenger that fit the P & M motorcycle quite well. But besides of some changes of the equippment, I had to change his right arm.
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on December 11, 2016, 07:49:12 AM
Absolutely awesome work on the Rider!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on December 11, 2016, 08:04:16 AM
Gorgeous work on the bike and the rider.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on December 11, 2016, 06:42:34 PM
Outstanding. The Dio will be a showstopper.
Hope you can manage once to come to Mol or Heiden to a model challenge.
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on December 12, 2016, 04:17:39 AM
Totally agree with the Red Baron - your sculpting of figures is truly remarkable. I just wish that I had a fraction of that skill.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on December 12, 2016, 03:56:04 PM
wow Borso! that rider is owesome!
very very well done!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 12, 2016, 08:17:23 PM
Thank you very much for your kind and encouraging words! This one is a real large, time consuming project so I love it very much to get motivated to stay working on it by your comments, I am really grateful  :)
Manni, I really would like to travel around and visit more modelling exhibitions. Sadly due to my work I am still reduced to Southern Germany. But who knows... Please keep me posted when there's something around Heiden! And there's a certain plan to visit Belgium and all the museums and the battlefields around... well, somedays... ::)
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 22, 2016, 07:55:21 AM
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsfqedwp77.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsfqedwp77.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsdz74kzyb.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsdz74kzyb.jpeg.html)
Some first paint. I was doubting adding the thin yellow lines as I didn't know any technique to paint them but a brush and my shaky hands. In the end I decided to give it a try anyway, I think covered in Western Front mud it will look ok.
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Gisbod on December 22, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
Fantastic work Borsos..

Very impressive.

Guy
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on December 22, 2016, 05:30:32 PM
Great work, the pinstripes are convincing. As you have said, the mud will cover a lot.
Bye, Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: stefanbuss on December 23, 2016, 02:08:34 AM
I do have to agree with Bo - the pin striped are too obviously drawn free hand. No matter how much mud you will throw at it, you will always see that and be disappointed about it.

Using strip decals should work much better.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on December 23, 2016, 02:40:43 AM
Hi Borsos, not piling on, but I think that your pin striping is not up to your excellent standards.  Looking at the Aviattic site, their model does not have striping and looks really good too.  You are the artist and the decision is yours.  All the best on how you proceed.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on December 23, 2016, 03:48:02 AM
I have to agree with Bo and the others. You could be spoiling a sheep for a h'aporth of tar…. but the choice must be yours. However as you are a perfectionist I am not sure how you will feel when you have thrown mud all over it if you leave the lines as they are.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 23, 2016, 06:11:54 AM
Dear all,
thank you very much for your interest and your comments!
Bo, Stephan, Juan and Stephen, the more I look at the photos the more I have to agree with you. Shaky hands stay shaky... I don't know why I didn't get the idea to use decal paper! I had the idea to buy a yellow marker that should draw lines up to 1mm. But its cap was sealed at the shop, so no trying out was possible. And when I tried it at home it was more about 3mm in width than 1mm (which would in fact still be too wide). The product available via the link you've postet, Bo, looks much more promising.
But I think when I take the outlines of the Motorcycle parts with the help of masking tape, transfer them to cardboard and use this as a pattern to draw the lines on clear decal paper, which can be trimmed using a sharp knife, it should work - at least better than painting thin lines freehand...
Best wishes
Borsos

BTW: I am very grateful for your constructive critics. Sometimes you know something in the back of your head and you just don't want to accept it. A little shove from outside is really valuable then  :)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: zavod44 on December 23, 2016, 12:26:29 PM
Maybe a colored pencil? 
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 23, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
Maybe a colored pencil?

definitely worth a try... especially on the very dull Vallejo paint that could give the pencil color a good grip. I'd be pessimistic for Gunze or any other very gloss color.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: ondra on December 23, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Hi Borsos,

I have happened to be an owner of a plotter. So should you not succeed with the decal option, please PM me, we will find a way to deal with those stripes. ;)

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 24, 2016, 05:04:32 AM
Hi Ondra,
that is really a generous offer, good to know!
Thank you very much!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on December 24, 2016, 05:50:18 PM
Hey Borsos! the stirpes issue is a very interesting one, indeed. Can't wait to se what you will tourn out from your hat.
In the meantime, I have to say that looking back to your pictures, I find that the hand painted  stripes do not annoy me at all. One has to considerate that the pictures are take with a macro lens, and that in reality a scale effect will occour, so, no, to me that Bike seems just great.
Keep up the great work!
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25H
Post by: Borsos on December 30, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
Thank you very much Edo!

Pew, this one cost me nerves. I stripped off the paint which was quite thick anyway and covered too much details (it was the first time that I shot Vallejo paints through an airbrush, I think, I'll keep my Gunze, Tamiya and Drooling Bulldog paints for airbrushing instead). After that one frustration followed the other. Pencil didn't work, as they left no clear line on the sprayed surface, decals went fine on the straight parts, but not on the curves (here one should make templates of the parts first, before gluing the bike together... Well, too late for me). And at last I repainted a third time and sprayed yellow first - then I tried Tamiyas new flexible masking tape. But the pinstripes made out of masking tape are just too thin to provide enough room for the glue to stick on the model. In the end I gave up and started another online research, if in fact every P&M 3.5 HP bile had these stripes. Yes, it seems as if every bike had them, but on several surviving examples they weren't too visible any more, e. g. here:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7172/13494929935_f3dddbb8f4_b.jpg)
So I finally left them off (maybe Aviattic had equal problems on their test build as they didn't add them neither like Juan pointed out?). In the end I was thinking to ask Ondra for his help (thanks again!), but then I rethought that this bike should be just one part of a bigger diorama (and not even the most important one) where enough work is still to do.
So That's it for now and in fact I am happier with it than before.  I would be even happier with the stripes, but well. I have to accept defeats...

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsertrvbw4.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsertrvbw4.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsxrtxznqd.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsxrtxznqd.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpswf4ieihc.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpswf4ieihc.jpeg.html)
As usual I'll leave it for one or two days and then take it back on the working table for last touch ups (and the I'll remove that hair, douh!)

Now I'll go on with the wrecked airplane. After making some progress on the WNW Albatros B II I realized that I simply couldn't do, what I had planned: I wouldn't destroy such a fantatstic kit to make a wreck out of it. And there's another reason: I always had read that the Albatros C. I. as the direct successor of the B II shared many design features with the B II. But only when I compared the B II fuselage and wings with the WDF plans of the C. I, I realized how similar they were in fact. The outline of the WNW fuselage and wings fit the scale plans of the C. I simply too perfectly - besides of the well known changes on the cockpits from the "B" to the "C" configuration. But that's not too difficult to change. So I decided to keep my spare B II kit for a future conversion into a not crashed Albatros C. I (yes, I love these first generation C-class planes...) and to get back to my initial plan to scratch a wrecked LVG C. II. I'll start with the engine and give the wreck a torn out engine including smashed exhaust and broken propeller. Why a broken propeller? I was prepairing wooden props for my Albatros B II and ruined one during the sanding process... I'll start here wit a spare Bz 150HP engine, as I need a break from Mercedes engines...
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on December 30, 2016, 12:24:39 PM
Awesome work on that bike Borsos. looks quite convincing and is definitely up to your standard.  This is going to be one diorama that will make you take second and third looks, finding new details each time.   :D
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: ondra on December 30, 2016, 02:51:39 PM
This definitely looks much better, good job, Borsos!

Looking at the photo of the real thing you posted here, I think omitting the stripes is actually the correct decision.

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on December 30, 2016, 04:21:50 PM
Yes, this diorama will certainly demand second and third looks .
Fortunalety, i can count myself among the  fiew lucky enought to have the opportunity to see the building process ad it unfolds!
Can't wait to see the rest
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on December 30, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Like the others have said I think you made the right decision on those stripes! The bike and rider are absolutely gorgeous!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on December 31, 2016, 02:07:28 AM
I agree with the others, Andreas!  That bike looks fantastic!  Good call, removing the stripes.  Looks more military and less sporty like this.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: ondra on December 31, 2016, 02:19:52 AM
One more addition from my side.

While first reading your post, I missed one important line: "I have to accept defeats..."

You do not have to accept defeats. As my boss taught me, there is only one correct point of view: "I never lose. Either I win, or I learn." ;)

This is what I apply on all of my builds and it makes my life a lot easier.

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on December 31, 2016, 04:11:24 AM
Thank you Bo, Juan, Ondra, Edo, Rick and Bud!

One more addition from my side.

While first reading your post, I missed one important line: "I have to accept defeats..."

You do not have to accept defeats. As my boss taught me, there is only one correct point of view: "I never lose. Either I win, or I learn." ;)

This is what I apply on all of my builds and it makes my life a lot easier.

Cheers

Ondra

That's not only correct, its wise  :)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on January 02, 2017, 09:41:57 PM
Wow, Andreas, looks so good. It seems like the rider is saying: Bam! Gotcha on the ground, you punk!
Very nice!
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on January 04, 2017, 08:56:44 PM
Totally agree that the m/c is better without the stripes.

Also have to totally agree with Ondra - there is no such thing as a defeat - only an opportunity to learn. If you can come back ready for another go you have not lost. Or as pilots say:  "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing".

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on January 06, 2017, 10:43:08 AM
Thank you very much for your support, guys! I really appreciate that.

Here now the very first steps on building the LVG C II.:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsefyillth.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsefyillth.jpeg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps4dvge9lp.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps4dvge9lp.jpeg.html)
Still a long way to go...
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on January 06, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Wow Borsos, outstanding start on your crashed LVG C II.  Engine and tire looks wonderful.  Looking forward to your next update.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Des on January 06, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
The broken propeller and damaged wheel looks excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on January 06, 2017, 08:15:29 PM
yes, indeed! the broken wheel is just amazing!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: boggie on January 06, 2017, 09:01:19 PM
Fascinating build Borsos.
I will follow this with great interest.
Your engine/prop and wheel are very cleverly "wrecked". I really like your exposed wheel spokes and flat tyre.
It is not often I would say congratulations for vandalising a perfectly good kit.  ;) ;D
Eagerly awaiting what's next.

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on January 17, 2017, 09:16:13 AM
Thank you very much Juan, Bo, Des, Edo and Boggie for your kind words and your interest!

Finally I took some pics of the crashed airframe and the first piece of lower wing. It still needs many details and some shading and dull coat prior to some weathering.
It's all Evergreen plastic and lead foil...
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsxggq06km.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsxggq06km.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpssjva45we.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpssjva45we.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsakdzxtbp.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsakdzxtbp.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps8abdhw97.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps8abdhw97.jpeg.html)
Thank you! (I don't like the contrast between plastic and lead foil on this piece of wing here. It's much less visible on the original part but pops out on the foto. I think I'll have to rework that.)
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: coyotemagic on January 17, 2017, 09:21:47 AM
 :o Wow, Andreas!  I was waiting to see this!  Truly remarkable work, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on January 17, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
:o Wow, Andreas!  I was waiting to see this!  Truly remarkable work, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud

I can't say it any better than Bud! Remarkable work indeed!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: gedmundson on January 17, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
Just catching up on this now, I arrived late in the game here. Stunning work so far - the motorcycle and damaged aircraft are truly works of art. Excellent job!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on January 17, 2017, 04:18:59 PM
Wow, just wow. :o
Sprachloser Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on January 17, 2017, 04:22:16 PM
Borsos! you keep amazing me! this build is getting better and better! the crashed plane looks very realistic.
I like best the broken wood which, in my opinion is very difficult to make seem real, but you did it! and very good, too!
cant really wait to see it all together!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Jorgo on January 17, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
Top notch, Andreas!👍👍👍

Jörg
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: markleecarter on January 17, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Astounding! Well done!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on January 17, 2017, 11:34:34 PM
Outstanding, looking forward to your creativeness in the next chapter.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on January 19, 2017, 03:44:19 AM
That scratch built airframe is extremely good, as are the engine, prop and wheel. I think that the damaged wing looks convincing enough but then I am not a perfectionist!

Stephen. 
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on January 29, 2017, 10:16:21 AM
Thank you very much for your kind words and your encouragement!

Here is some progress on the wreck:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsc393dfvx.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsc393dfvx.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsyx5qyg2f.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsyx5qyg2f.jpeg.html)
right upper wing is just loosely laid onto the airframe for the pics
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsua6ga5ia.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsua6ga5ia.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsrouf1dub.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsrouf1dub.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps52b66txv.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps52b66txv.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsszfpdwcv.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsszfpdwcv.jpeg.html)
The LVG C II is not only a really important plane but at least in my eyes a really beautyful airplane as well and it's a shame that kit manufacturers seem to have avoided it in any scale. But the airframe isn't too difficult to build from scratch. All the metal parts are made of lead foil, struts are brassrod.
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on January 29, 2017, 11:47:03 AM
Wow Borsos, outstanding work on the crashed plane.  Really looking forward to seen your progress (all aspects of your builds are great on their own rights, together will be awesome).
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on January 30, 2017, 04:02:13 AM
That is truly incredible. For a scratch build that really is of the very first order. Really looking forward to seeing this in the diorama with the figures and background - it will be truly worth the wait.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on January 30, 2017, 04:02:53 PM
wow Borsos! truly awesome!
I like very much the effect you obtined, and I know it is not easy at all acheive such a finish.
The torn farbric on the upper wing is just fantastic, the bend of it... amazing!
can't wait to see it all togheter!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: markleecarter on January 30, 2017, 05:40:10 PM
Simply stunning! Wonderful work and utterly convincing to my eyes. Well done.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Gisbod on January 30, 2017, 06:43:53 PM
That's incredible Borsos!

Guy
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: RAGIII on January 31, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
I can only echo what others have said, Beautiful, Awesome, Fantastic, and Incredible!
RAGIII
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: IanB on January 31, 2017, 08:34:46 AM
Fabulous work Borsos, absolutely stunning! Since you are going to have the crew lying out on the ground, don't forget to position everything in a way that would either leave access to pull them out, or show that the parts had been moved to get at the pilot!

Ian
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Syd Solo on January 31, 2017, 05:18:26 PM
This diorama build displays a dazzling array of superior and enviable modelling skills. One question Borsos: are you mortal?  ;)

Cheers

Syd
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on February 03, 2017, 08:00:24 AM
Hello friends,
thank you very much for your kind comments  :) !
This diorama build displays a dazzling array of superior and enviable modelling skills. One question Borsos: are you mortal?  ;)

Cheers

Syd

Thanks Syd, just too mortal. I see that every time when I see my kids grew up so fast and me getting older and older... One day when I got up after having had a good evening with the old friends I had to realize that some parts of my body (head, stomach) were already dead....

Fabulous work Borsos, absolutely stunning! Since you are going to have the crew lying out on the ground, don't forget to position everything in a way that would either leave access to pull them out, or show that the parts had been moved to get at the pilot!

Ian

Absolutely, Ian, thanks for the hint. Yes I had planned to show the crashed seat that was removed from the inside with the pilot. As the certain design of the C II seat is unknown I had the choice between a seat like it was installed in the later LVG two seaters (like the C VI) or a seat like it was installed in the LVG B II. In the end I went with a LVG B II seat whose design I took from the great Krakow aviation museum website.
Now it is slowly getting finished. Some details need painting and I have to start rigging (which is like bridling a dead horse somehow)
... the radiator is plastic mesh sandwiched between some plastic sheet sanded to shape.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsb9pn0epw.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsb9pn0epw.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps4kadsoin.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps4kadsoin.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps3r6u4jk0.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps3r6u4jk0.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps5p6ztvsr.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps5p6ztvsr.jpeg.html)
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Manni on February 03, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
Wow, Andreas.
This is a real showstopper. You have now reached the highest top of modeling skills.
Speechless,
Manni
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Jorgo on February 03, 2017, 05:27:30 PM
Congrats, Andreas! Absolutely stunning!

Jörg
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on February 12, 2017, 06:27:54 PM
Thank you Manni and Jörg!

it's all together now. I prepared a multi level base for the dio and played around with the layout of the figures and the rest. Here's what seemed to me the best layout. What do you think? Any critics, hints or questions are highly appreciated!
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsqidavghz.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsqidavghz.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsniqrzbvu.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsniqrzbvu.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsggvlayko.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsggvlayko.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps9qdhtgd5.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps9qdhtgd5.jpeg.html)
Thank you!
Borsos
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: ondra on February 12, 2017, 11:17:25 PM
The layout of the figures looks very good to me, transmitting the story very well. Good job on this, Borsos!

In my very personal opinion, I would make the exhaust slightly less rusty, looks a bit too much on the photos. But of course, photos can be misleading.

Great job so far on this fascinating dio!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Juan on February 12, 2017, 11:28:24 PM
Outstanding diorama Borsos.  Wonderful modeling/scratch building skills demonstrated all through your build.  Love the outcome.   :D
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: IanB on February 13, 2017, 12:49:23 AM
That looks pretty good Borsos. My first thought though was, "wouldn't they have laid the crew next to each other?" It just seems that when bodies are pulled from wrecks, that is what tends to happen.....We are a habitual people sometimes!

Ian
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: lone modeller on February 13, 2017, 02:37:45 AM
Totally agree with Ian's comment - I too would have put the bodies together. I am not sure about the background - that pot of glue looks a little out of place………

Looking forward to seeing this complete.

Stephen.
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Edo on February 13, 2017, 04:04:07 PM
hey Borsos! seeing it all together is quite stunning!
I would like to add my 2 cents on the layout. why don't move the bike on the other side of the car? it is almost hidden wher it is now .... ok the guy has to talk with the car driver, turn the car and bike 180 degrees ?
i don't know.... maybe this is the right layout after all.
anyway it will always remain a great diorama!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Thumbs up on February 13, 2017, 05:37:44 PM
Foot prints and tyre tracks!
Title: Re: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II, P & M Motorbike (Aviattic), Vauxhall 25hp
Post by: Borsos on February 22, 2017, 07:17:06 AM
                                                                                                                                                                   October  .. 1916
Dear Mrs. ...,

as commander of this unit I have the sad duty to inform you that your son didn't come back from a reconnaissance mission that he and his observer were carrying out over enemy territory. One of our staffel members had the opportunity to see his airplane being attacked by an enemy aircraft and going down out of control. I deeply regret that we have to assume the worst. All of us kept your son in highest regards due to his friendliness and humour. He was a good comrade and a close friend.
With kind regards

..., captain



(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsoavhj12q.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsoavhj12q.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsostrwdv7.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsostrwdv7.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsyg1tt2iz.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsyg1tt2iz.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsbqzzluu3.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsbqzzluu3.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpscqw7nkaq.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpscqw7nkaq.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsxdafkpqj.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsxdafkpqj.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsr6sqsuxi.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsr6sqsuxi.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsdi33ysgl.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsdi33ysgl.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsfkkt9ptb.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsfkkt9ptb.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsyqnzctew.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsyqnzctew.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsgb110x3f.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsgb110x3f.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps5m9vufzs.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps5m9vufzs.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpss77au2as.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpss77au2as.jpeg.html)

Thank you very much for your support and your interest in the process of making this diorama!
What was planned to be a short little project at the beginning (how naive I was!) turned out to be my longest project up to date (started in June/July 2016). Some things didn't turn out how I had wished, some things make me quite happy. I am even happier to have finished it at all. I called it "Ikarus 1916", an alternative title would have been "Well... it's suddenly not so glorious any more..."
I hope you like it.

Borsos
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: lcarroll on February 22, 2017, 07:42:16 AM
   What a work of art; it's got it all Borsos, you have done an absolutely splendid job! I have never done a Diorama but have read often that it first must tell a story. You have more then achieved that aim. Brilliant!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Gisbod on February 22, 2017, 07:57:51 AM
Cracking job Borsos!

Amazing amount of work in that...

Guy
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Juan on February 22, 2017, 08:02:02 AM
Your hard work and labor have paid off with a beautiful diorama, congrats Borsos.    :D
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: RAGIII on February 22, 2017, 08:02:35 AM
Fantastic Diorama Andreas. As mentioned your work of art has it all. The story is well represented by your arrangement. The figures and especially the scratch built aircraft are amazing!
RAGIII
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: IanB on February 22, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
This is just beautiful, the "letter" to start your post actually brought tears to my eyes. It's a  perfect tribute to all who lost their lives, no matter which side they fought on and a great display of the futility of war.
Congratulations!

Ian
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: dr 1 ace on February 22, 2017, 09:56:20 AM
Just all around excellence !!!

ED
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Edo on February 22, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
just beautiful, Borsos, beautiful!
it all blends together in a realistic and quite accurate scene.
your effort payed you back with a masterpiece
beavo!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Manni on February 22, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Stunning, Andeas
you have done an outstanding job. The crashed plane is terrific , the figures are sculpted and paited brilliant and the overall scene is great.

Manni
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: xan on February 22, 2017, 05:32:14 PM
Amazing wirk Borsos . really congratulations!
All elements are at the same level, plane figure and car...
what a work, but the result is absolutly stunning!
knowing how to use magic scult is really an advantage. the things you can do with it is amazing...
The plane is very realistic

a great work I would like to see in real!

Xan
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Jorgo on February 22, 2017, 07:34:07 PM
Excellent in every aspect! I'd like to see this gem in reality (perhaps in Lingen... ;)?)

Glückwunsch,
Jörg
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: jeroen_R90S on February 22, 2017, 10:11:24 PM
Nothing more to add, other than repeat what has been said. Fantastic work!
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: jknaus on February 23, 2017, 01:44:38 AM
As has been said, Fanatastic. Tells a story and looks great.
Well done.
James
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Adam on February 23, 2017, 05:30:00 AM
You showed great drama of the war.
What you show is mastery of modeling.

Adam.
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Syd Solo on February 23, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Great skill and imagination. A pleasure to see how you achieved this world class result. Reminds of Marijn Van Gils.
Cheers
Syd
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: lone modeller on March 05, 2017, 04:24:10 AM
My apologies Borsos but I missed this being completed. This is modelling of a standard of which I dream - and wish, oh I wish - that I had the skill to achieve it.

Your introduction was so poignant - how many mothers/fathers received that form of communication? Too many.

The figures, car, motorcycle and crashed aircraft are so realistic - in b&w they could easily pass for the real thing. The time you have spent on this was very worthwhile and I for one have greatly enjoyed following your thread. I have also learned much - thank you.

Stephen.
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: zavod44 on March 05, 2017, 01:36:04 PM
Really great stuff, I'm only sorry to see it finished because I liked coming here every day to check progress.....
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: steveb on March 06, 2017, 02:56:17 AM
I somehow missed this when you initially started working on the project. This morning, I went through all of the pages of the log. Amazing & inspiring work!! All of the textures, colors & positioning of the pieces are outstanding!! Thanks so much for sharing.

Steve
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: ondra on March 06, 2017, 03:42:28 AM
There are several fascinating builds on this forum and yours is definitely one of them, Borsos.

Great job all around, from the very realistic damage on the crashed plane down to the story you are telling by the whole scene.

Chapeau, sir!

Cheers

Ondra
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Borsos on March 06, 2017, 05:38:02 AM
Hi all,

thank you all very much for your kind words. This here is really a great place to be!

Borsos
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 29, 2017, 05:38:39 AM
amazing work borsos. i really enjoy this diorama
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Des on March 29, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
Stunning work from the start of your build until the end, the results of your work are outstanding depicting a very realistic scene, all aspects of this diorama are superb.

Des.
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Borsos on April 08, 2017, 08:46:06 AM
Albatros1234, Des, many thanks for your very kind comments!
Borsos
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: gedmundson on April 11, 2017, 09:40:06 PM
As others have stated - this amazing piece of work is absolutely well presented. Wonderful job indeed!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Borsos on June 27, 2017, 06:03:20 AM
Thank you very much, Gary!

As Des reminded us on the end of the GB I remembered that I wanted to show you some better pics made by someone who actually knows how to photograph (I am an awful photographer...)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplagw/109160.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplarr/109161.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplara/109162.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplarl/109163.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplari/109164.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplarw/109165.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdpladr/109166.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdpladl/109168.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdpladi/109169.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdpladw/109170.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplaar/109171.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplaaa/109172.jpg)

(https://picload.org/image/rpdplaal/109173.jpg)

Borsos
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: lcarroll on June 27, 2017, 06:32:51 AM
     Looks even better now, Borsos! You've done a magnificent job on this, congratulations on some really superb work.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Edo on June 27, 2017, 03:02:21 PM
I can only echo what Lance have said!
stunning diorama indeed!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: FINISHED: "Ikarus 1916" - Shot down LVG C II
Post by: Gisbod on June 27, 2017, 03:44:58 PM
Crikey, what a masterpiece Borsos!

The figure painting is exceptional...

Guy