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Forum Archive Storage => WW1 Diorama Group Build => Topic started by: FarEast on July 21, 2016, 04:45:28 PM
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So this is going to be my biggest project to date and I'm actually looking forward to it! As you can see this will be Gotha G.V 904/16 'Erika' build with the aircraft being prepared for a night sortie over London. I have no photos of the actual plane being prepared so some creative license will be used unless something comes to light.
There are several firsts, including the incredible conversion kit by the talented Ron Kootje - I was one of the lucky few able to purchase the limited runs of his conversion kits and its going to be a very large undertaking, especially as I also have all the detailed parts by Taurus models. It will be my biggest kit built yet and I have no idea where I will keep it once completed!
There are several other bits a pieces but I'm going to hold off from talking about them for now.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/13405698_10153827260234247_2120817520_o_zps9bx6jrng.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/13405698_10153827260234247_2120817520_o_zps9bx6jrng.jpg.html)
As you can see absolutely nothing is started yet - a totally clean build from the start!
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/106062_zpsdzhdrgks.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/106062_zpsdzhdrgks.jpg.html)
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So unlike most of my models I'm starting with the base! Some of you might have seen this already on my Albatros B.II build I decided to use at as it captured the finish of the aircraft much better than the base she sits on in the display cabinet.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/13407049_10153824437974247_2880198366930215558_n_zpsozkqlwa5.jpg)
- I start off with laying the base - this is Tamiya Ground effect, dark mud - dropping a large amount on the base I then use a spatula to spread it around and texture it. Then using a jig with wheels that were not used on other kits I run tracks over the same lines multiple times, as the mud is wet it pushes out to the sides creating ridges, troughs naturally. That's what we want!
- Once the base is dry I then go to work on the grass, I start off with a dark tone - basically preshading the grass. This is the same as the lower leaves that you find on grass, along with the low laying vegetation - this is glued to the base using PVA glue and laid with a static wand.
- Again once the base is dry I then apply light tones blended grasses and tall dry strands, these are laid over the top again with PVA glue and the static wand.
The base is far from finished as other fauna and flora will be added to create more layers to the base, adding to its realism. However you can see how tufts occur on the ridges - also I will start to 'pluck' areas of grass to expose the mud on more well used paths created by the Gotha and other aircraft.
I got this kit a while ago and as I have never built a resin kit nor anything apart from Wingnut Wings It was a little bit daunting.
The kit itself is beautiful and I have to admit I was blown away by the level of the quality. The plan was to build it out of the box but that went out of the window as soon as I started the build.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/1_zps4lrutffc.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/1_zps4lrutffc.jpg.html)
I decided immediately to drill out the front and give the radiator and internals a little more attention.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/2_zpsslq22x8e.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/2_zpsslq22x8e.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/3_zpsa7ytaq9x.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/3_zpsa7ytaq9x.jpg.html)
This is now put aside and the wood detailing is started.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/5_zpswru9lcq6.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/5_zpswru9lcq6.jpg.html)
I added some deep oil stains and other weathering effects on the flooring before oils to create the wood grain effect.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/4_zpsoz0j86mf.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/4_zpsoz0j86mf.jpg.html)
While the oils were drying it was time to get some colours on to the dashboard.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/13446086_10153838971344247_1320758099_o_zps3spiwajw.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/13446086_10153838971344247_1320758099_o_zps3spiwajw.jpg.html)
So with the oils dried on both the wood and leather I then added a thin coat of Tamiya translucent orange and then locked it in with clear varnish. The leather cushions were given oil washes and a satin varnish.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1281_zpsaol1voqu.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1281_zpsaol1voqu.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1283_zpspqhzbrj5.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1283_zpspqhzbrj5.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1285_zps1raejzcp.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_1285_zps1raejzcp.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160618_222829_zpsvhhqqwu4.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160618_222829_zpsvhhqqwu4.jpg.html)
The small details were then added.
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So before I could close up the cab I needed to get the driver assembled and painted.
I always start with the head as it gives me a feel for the character I'm painting.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155702_zpsumigpi2p.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155702_zpsumigpi2p.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155536_zpsjncxv5wr.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155536_zpsjncxv5wr.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155257_zpssvfxhkpz.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/IMG_20160619_155257_zpssvfxhkpz.jpg.html)
From there its just a case of matching up the uniform detailing.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/8_zpswwefrhox.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/8_zpswwefrhox.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/8_zpswwefrhox.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/8_zpswwefrhox.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/10_zpsippdjkqe.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/10_zpsippdjkqe.jpg.html)
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Once happy with the finish it was time to close the cab up with him inside.
I actually had him placed and then masked the cab shut so I could start working on the exterior colours.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/12_zpszneq6cuv.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/12_zpszneq6cuv.jpg.html)
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This weekend I got a little more bench time and went to work on the brass.
I'm really liking the Mr. Hobby Metallic polishing paints - they seem to take longer to dry but the colours and effects are great.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/lamps3_zpsyfsx3vbf.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/lamps3_zpsyfsx3vbf.jpg.html)
Only dry fitted for now.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/lamps2_zps9wj8xelt.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/lamps2_zps9wj8xelt.jpg.html)
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The flatbed was the next on the list and I decided to heavily weather the wood.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0010_zpsrgfbzlxn.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0010_zpsrgfbzlxn.jpg.html)
From here I only applied oils and left to dry, no translucent orange or varnish just the flat oils. Once it has fully cured I will give it a mat finish.
Next up were the wheels - After spraying the rubber tires Nato black and then dry-brushing with a lighter grey I masked them off with Tamiya flexible masking tape. This stuff is great and you can move it around so finely that I was able to leave the rim free.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0016_zps9d2ij6vx.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0016_zps9d2ij6vx.jpg.html)
With the tape removed I applied several washes to get the effect I needed and then left to dry. There was very little seepage from the washes and those were easily delt with with a cotton bud.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0021_zpssji9hkwp.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0021_zpssji9hkwp.jpg.html)
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Staying with the cab It was time to shape the front wheel fenders - to get the curve I used and empty Tamiya paint pot.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0019_zpsdu1vytt6.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0019_zpsdu1vytt6.jpg.html)
The underside of the Lorry received a very liberal coating of AK Interactive Engine oil.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0025_zps8uhseij1.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0025_zps8uhseij1.jpg.html)
Small parts such as the side lamps and the horn where assembled and painted before being attached to the cab.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0046_zpsce6xkgb7.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0046_zpsce6xkgb7.jpg.html)
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So between advanced motorcycle classes, taking my son to Japanese Premiership football games and a whole host of other stuff I managed to get some bench time in.
First job of the day was to bend the header and tail pipes in to position - once done I dry fitted everything to make sure I had the positioning right.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/exhaust%201_zpspdylchos.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/exhaust%201_zpspdylchos.jpg.html)
After bonding I used Mr. Surfacer 500 to add texture to the muffler and pipes.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/exhaust%202_zpsn6d3srow.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/exhaust%202_zpsn6d3srow.jpg.html)
After going through several of the archive photos available on the pintrest board Aviattic set up I noticed there were several with a footsteps of different types and shapes. It seems these were a field modification so I went about making one that appeared in one of the photos.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0005_zpstckzeazh.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0005_zpstckzeazh.jpg.html)
I also used the materials supplied to sculpt the curtains seen on many of the lorries. I added additional leather straps again taken from archive photos.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0009_zpsvopbwgar.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0009_zpsvopbwgar.jpg.html)
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After painting up the side panels to the flat bed I'm at a cross roads.
I really like the idea of a covered flatbed but not sure where to go from here as it will be part of a diorama - However I will make and fix the framing for the tarp. This was made using 1mm Albion Alloys strips that were cut and soldered and then slotted into position.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/frame_zpsgtiknx3c.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/frame_zpsgtiknx3c.jpg.html)
Now the idea I have is that I will make 3 versions - 1; no tarp cover, but folded and tied down in the flatbed. 2; fully covered 3; half covered with tarp folded back and tied down.
So with this in mind it was time to experiment with methods to create the tarp. The one that I really like the idea of is using a normal facial tissue soaked in PVA glue, as you can see it gives the exact finish I'm after!
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0028_zpswdwqevav.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/DSC_0028_zpswdwqevav.jpg.html)
So with that curing along with some other small bits that nee to go on the lorry it was time to mess around.
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After returning home I and cooking lunch while the wife slept I then crept up to the man cave and laid down some base ready for the few small parts remaining of this project.
I also started twisting some wire - but more on that later.
So I still had the oil tank, engine crank start, tow bar and one or two other odds and ends - these painted up very quickly - however I had to jump on the bike and visit the local hobby store to buy some more chain that I swear is in my sons Lego box of Doom while I was there I also picked up some accessories and knick knacks for the flatbed.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112093_zpsqyoqvluy.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112093_zpsqyoqvluy.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112094_zpspsqwm2rk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112094_zpspsqwm2rk.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112091_zpshwq1kqhi.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112091_zpshwq1kqhi.jpg.html)
So back to the twisted metal, I decided that I wanted to create a very active diorama and although Kellerkind and Copper State Models have some truly amazing non-static poses I really wanted to add a natural feel of human nature to the scene.
No I must thank Martin Hille of Kellerkind Miniatures who has basically been my mentor, answering and guiding me through the stages.
54mm wireman in the pose I was looking for.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112075_zps3knfy7qy.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112075_zps3knfy7qy.jpg.html)
Time to start fleshing him out, now I have to admit that I have a new found respect for miniature makers - its a very slow process to get here.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112088_zpskdcxwnuk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112088_zpskdcxwnuk.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112085_zpsplqcwyoa.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112085_zpsplqcwyoa.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112087_zpse4tect9m.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112087_zpse4tect9m.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112086_zpsf8kfefxi.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112086_zpsf8kfefxi.jpg.html)
So this is how he will look when in positioned in the diorama - the effect I want is someone waiting there turn to carry a heavy object and maybe cracking a joke or teasing another member of the team.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112083_zpscjxv2dap.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112083_zpscjxv2dap.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112084_zpshp2n8pv4.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112084_zpshp2n8pv4.jpg.html)
Here he is in situation with some of the other figures I will be using - I can almost hear saying "Come on lad, put your back in to it!"
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112079_zpswm8cwazn.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112079_zpswm8cwazn.jpg.html)
So this is how he stands now I think I will reduce the muscle definition of the chest a little but actually I'm very happy with him, the next step is to start clothing him and this is where it should get interesting.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112096_zpskzojvqnb.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112096_zpskzojvqnb.jpg.html)
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Also I started work on the content of the flat bed truck, In the end I decided to keep the tarp off on this one as had a lot going on around it and I wanted to show that off.
So measuring out the correct size of the tarp on another piece of facial tissue I then folded it in the correct manner. The straps were made from masking tape while the buckles were left over from a Wingnut Wings Roland C.II build.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112098_zpso2x6arqj.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112098_zpso2x6arqj.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112101_zpscttvzq6o.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112101_zpscttvzq6o.jpg.html)
Not shown but once the paint was dried I then gave the bundle a heavy coat of flat varnish that saturated the tissue and caused more wrinkles. (Photo to come)
I also picked up some crates made from wood and some other bits and bobs. I plan on making a scratch built bomb rack to hold bombs while in the back of the flat bed.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112103_zpsxcph1cts.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Aviatic%20WW1%20German%20Marienfelde%20Lorry/112103_zpsxcph1cts.jpg.html)
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It looks great, what are showing here.
The entire diorama is going to be great. I will follow closely what are showing here.
I was "forced" ;) by my colleagues, to make a diorama with my Fokker D.VII. Because I've never done dioramas having a look here I will learn how to make a good diorama. :)
Adam.
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James,
Outstanding,this promises to one Awesome Diorama my old friend. Very impressive progress on the Lorry. The canvas cover is especially well done and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it looks like when completed. Equally impressive is the beginnings of your figure armature . Again Well Done and keep up the highest levels of skill and craftsmanship. Looking forward to following this project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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This is really taking the diorama concept to a very high level. If the Gotha is only half as good as the lorry (and it will be much better than that of course), this will be a truly fantastic dio.
Stephen.
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I can hardly wait for this figure sculpting finished. As I already said, your Truck is awesome and I am keen on old lady Erika (in fact my grandaunt was named Erika too...)
Best wishes
Borsos
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So I've been away from the build for about 2 weeks due to my son being at Soccer Camp with FC Barcelona and my daughters basketball on a massive winning streak and now through to the Regional Finals.
However I have been grabbing an hour here and then in the crazy heat of the mornings here in Japan.
So with the Marienfeld complete it was time to start on the next part of the Diorama again to add to the era and for this I selected a 1:35 piece that actually can be used without any conflict in scale and the Master Box Ltd. kit is perfect for this.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0022_zpsroe6ji2c.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0022_zpsroe6ji2c.jpg.html)
As you see side by side with the Marienfeld lorry they are totally within scale, the fact horses come in all shapes and sizes as well as carts is very helpful :D However it will be complemented with 1:32 scale figures.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13754079_10153932056239247_452594977603287602_n_zps6dszg8rf.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13754079_10153932056239247_452594977603287602_n_zps6dszg8rf.jpg.html)
The cart was a relatively easy job as I just painted it up the same as the lorry.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0025_zpsbjnbpgoe.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0025_zpsbjnbpgoe.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0024_zpspmdew4h8.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0024_zpspmdew4h8.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0023_zpsa4fcwrgz.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0023_zpsa4fcwrgz.jpg.html)
Next up was the first of two horses. I used a combination of acrylics and oil paints - I'm still not 100% happy with the finish and will look at it some more once the clear has fully cured.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0017_zpsvzfg1pul.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0017_zpsvzfg1pul.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0019_zpsx4euujes.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0019_zpsx4euujes.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0020_zpstdhxdzxo.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0020_zpstdhxdzxo.jpg.html)
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Beautiful work, James. The diorama promises to be a gem, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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I really love and admire your painting skills on the wagon, it looks awesome. There's only one issue with it (an actually very small one) if you want to keep it as historical correct as possible. The German Army in WWI used horse drawn wagons that were all standardized ( it's German so everything is standardized ), and the Wagon you used from this Masterbox set doesn't really fit here. Of course, when wagons were of short supply, they also used civilian ones, pressed into service. But they hardly would have painted them field grey and added a coat of arms. ESCI ERTL once produced a heavy field wagon of WW2 that perfectly fits as a Schwerer Feldwagen for WWI. This kit is rereleased by Italeri and still available. That is just a small note that does not reduce the great quality of your work at all.
Best wishes from the Northern Sea
Borsos
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Hello ladies and gentlemen,
Absolutely outbreathing !!! What a painting !!! :)
Best regards.
Alain.
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I really love and admire your painting skills on the wagon, it looks awesome. There's only one issue with it (an actually very small one) if you want to keep it as historical correct as possible. The German Army in WWI used horse drawn wagons that were all standardized ( it's German so everything is standardized ), and the Wagon you used from this Masterbox set doesn't really fit here. Of course, when wagons were of short supply, they also used civilian ones, pressed into service. But they hardly would have painted them field grey and added a coat of arms. ESCI ERTL once produced a heavy field wagon of WW2 that perfectly fits as a Schwerer Feldwagen for WWI. This kit is rereleased by Italeri and still available. That is just a small note that does not reduce the great quality of your work at all.
Best wishes from the Northern Sea
Borsos
Many thanks for the comments Borsos- however I will respectfully disagree - I think the possibility is far more plausible than it not happening. You only need to read the accounts of pilots and ground crew on both sides to know they took huge liberties in relieving the local populace of furnishings, accommodations, live stock and vehicles.
As this is a late war diorama (around 4 months before the Armistice Somewhere between March and July 1918)where it was reported that the later variants of the Gotha G's were substandard due to the quality of the materials being used as they were in demand by the ground forces, so I think the need to improvise was becoming greater - there is also plenty of evidence of other non standard vehicles being used, such as hand carts, trolleys and the likes being built by the ground crew using odds and ends.
Also as the bomber Aerodromes were way in the back areas I think the use of non standardized vehicles would be higher as more resources were being pulled to the front.
However if you have photographic evidence to the contrary showing standardized horse drawn wagons at a bomber field I would dearly love to see them and I will happy grab the correct cart!!
Here are two photos of back area wagon depots that show a whole array of different wagons some painted, some bare some obviously straight from civilian life:
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/19769e3804874f57873af53b8e391140/events-first-world-war-wwi-back-area-eastern-front-wagon-depot-of-cph0g0.jpg)
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CPH1CA/events-first-world-war-wwi-back-area-eastern-front-wagon-depot-of-CPH1CA.jpg)
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Everybody who will look at your diorama will see the Gothas, the fantastic truck, the figures (any progresses here in sculpting?) and never ever would ask, if the horse drawn wagon fits the scene - it is just such a small detail... Anyway I spend quite a while in researching German horse drawn equipment of WWI which is annoyingly bare of good sources, books are very rare and this issue seems not to attract many people, which I completely understand. What is a cart against a beautiful airplane !
I don't know why, somehow I like these horse drawn wagons anyway especially their fallen-out-of-time appearance next to a more modern fighting machine (like tanks or so). And there's really cool stuff like aircraft repair wagons, or water desinfection wagons, look like some Steampunk stuff...
So thank you very much for posting these pics, they are really valuable! But in fact they all seem to be standard German Army equipment, even the civilian style wagons. I can see many leichte Feldwagen, some heavy Feldwagen (e. g. First pic, on the extreme Right side), and the wagon on the first pic with the hood is an official doctor's wagon. For some of the carts I'd have a look at my books - but back to the original question: I totally agree that they used civilian wagons at the end of the war, but I don't think that they took the extra work to paint them field grey and add a coat of arms. But of course it's not impossible...! :)
Normally they used to take heavy field wagons for transporting ammunition, luckily Italieri offers a good kit:
(http://img00.1001modelkits.com/589815-large_product/hf-2-schwerer-heeresfeldwagen-horse-drawn-wagon.jpg)
The "Hf.2" (these designations were introduced after ww1) is in fact a Schwerer Heeresfeldwagen, as you could use mobile kitchens of ww2 for ww1 "Gulaschkanonen". But sadly I have no photos at hand, that shows the former ones at Bomber airfield. I'll check my references at home asap.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Borsos,
I'm the same! I love the clash of eras that the two wars saw. Actually my parents used to race carriage horses and traps so I grew up with these noble beasts and learned a lot about them - my mother is a wealth of information on the subject of carriages, limbers etc.
I think I will meet you half way and remove the coat of arms :D It's actually only on one side of the cart as I wanted to see how it looked against the lorry.
If you could post up some pics that would be an enormous help in capturing the feel and human element/natural element of the people and animals involved in the day to day operations - sadly lacking in the photos that seem posed for postcards home.
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This is gong to be VERY good.....the vehicles and supplies are really going to make this diorama, especially painted as well as they are. I have one small question: Is there a part missing from the lorry? There doesn't appear to be any connection between the gearbox and the drive shaft...or maybe you added it after the pics were taken..
Ian
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I am bowled over by the quality of the painting of these models. This is going to be a diorama that I will take a greta deal of enjoyment in just looking at …… again…. and again….. and again…….
Stephen.
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Borsos,
I'm the same! I love the clash of eras that the two wars saw. Actually my parents used to race carriage horses and traps so I grew up with these noble beasts and learned a lot about them - my mother is a wealth of information on the subject of carriages, limbers etc.
Exactly that :) That sounds awesome, you must have had an exciting childhood!
I think I will meet you half way and remove the coat of arms :D It's actually only on one side of the cart as I wanted to see how it looked against the lorry.
That would increase the level of historical accuracy from 99,9 to 100% ;)
By the way I love these coats of arms. Where did you get them?
If you could post up some pics that would be an enormous help in capturing the feel and human element/natural element of the people and animals involved in the day to day operations - sadly lacking in the photos that seem posed for postcards home.
Of course! I'll have a look when I'll be back home and post some. But I'd post it in another thread, this space here should be for your progresses of which I can't wait to see more!
Borsos
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This is gong to be VERY good.....the vehicles and supplies are really going to make this diorama, especially painted as well as they are. I have one small question: Is there a part missing from the lorry? There doesn't appear to be any connection between the gearbox and the drive shaft...or maybe you added it after the pics were taken..
Ian
Ian - you have a very good eye - It was added after the photos were taken. I needed the space when adding the chains and completely forgot to add it until after the photos were taken and I spotted it :D
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Exactly that :) That sounds awesome, you must have had an exciting childhood!
My mother was a competitive show jumper till all the kids got in the way and then moved to horse and trap/carriage but we grew up around horses, aircraft and ships. My Father was in the Royal Navy and my Grandfather was in the Army Air Corp and I would spend my summer holidays up at Middle Wallop. When he got too old he retired from active service and became one of the curators at the Museum ( A lot of the models in the display are scratch built by him and several other very talented guys - he was a Coach builder apprentice before the outbreak of WWII - so you can imagine where I wanted to go during school breaks.
That would increase the level of historical accuracy from 99,9 to 100% ;)
By the way I love these coats of arms. Where did you get them?
Looking at it more I would agree - from the depot photos many of the general purpose wagons are naked wood (Probably just recently built) and more than likely got painted in the field for protection from the elements - Some may have just been coated in engine oil to protect them from the elements.
They are actually from Aviatic's MArienfelde Lorry - I will be using the skull and cross bones on mine as it will be carrying the bombs to the Gotha.
Of course! I'll have a look when I'll be back home and post some. But I'd post it in another thread, this space here should be for your progresses of which I can't wait to see more!
Please PM me the link to the new thread as I miss so much due to the great amount of activity that goes on here...... I found such amazing stuff on here 3 -4 months after the initial post that I wish I had found 2 months previously!
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Hello ladies and gentlemen,
So, as Obelix, you falled into cauldron when you you were a child... ;D ;D
Best regards.
Alain.
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Perhaps in the discussion about colors, horse car, it will help the image
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10509764_562323137244876_898864521900402845_n.png?oh=9ae90785f0e69c1c749be496e93c5f8f&oe=58545D42&__gda__=1478853988_4e38ed0f7dbee38f98be3847e3ff3ce5)
which I found here.
https://www.facebook.com/WW1-Colourised-Photos-450822585061599/
It is a colorized picture, I think you can trust this colors.
By the way, I recommend this site, you can find a lot of interesting pictures from the Great War.
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Fascinating! Many Thanks, Adam!
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I was already a member of that group but hadn't stopped by in a while so thank you for the reminder!
Although the colours are accurate I would say that in this case he should have painted the wheels - probably the most crucial part of the limber and hardest to make - they would have painted those to protect them from the elements, In fact a lot of the museum pieces that haven't obviously been restored (in a few decades at least) show painted wheels.
Back to the build
So having started the oil process on the final horse I decided to make a start on the drive - I wanted a youngish solider to drive the limber and decided to do some kit bashing and sculpting to get the pose and uniform I wanted.
I used the legs from the "Bonus" figure supplied in the Master box set that I glued differently from the original position, broke the foot, removed excessive material and sculpted additional creases then fianlly added a blob in the shape of the torso and then adjusted the position required.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/116276_zpshvragmfe.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/116276_zpshvragmfe.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/116275_zpsr8flrtq7.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/116275_zpsr8flrtq7.jpg.html)
This morning I checked on the torso to make sure it had cured fully and started sculpting the basic detail to the torso. This time stealing a head from one of the Aviattic figures.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0042_zps2mhivz5i.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0042_zps2mhivz5i.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0043_zpskotbzntu.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0043_zpskotbzntu.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0041_zpsnwnck8s5.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0041_zpsnwnck8s5.jpg.html)
and again made sure nothing had shifted during the sculpting process.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0029_zpselgkzuhn.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0029_zpselgkzuhn.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0028_zps2gaiuias.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0028_zps2gaiuias.jpg.html)
Once the putty has cured I will add some of the deeper folds of cloth and also more detail to the hemming of the jacket - add lapels and the arms that again came from the Master Box set. Finally I will add buttons, etc. to the uniform.
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Großartig!
I think sculpting a new Figure is the peak of modeling.
Awsome like the carriage.
Manni
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Großartig!
I think sculpting a new Figure is the peak of modeling.
Awsome like the carriage.
Manni
thank you for the kind words - technically I only sculpted the torso - the legs and arms were sculpted by Masterbox and the head was Aviattic. So I guess I can take 1 third credit :D
Any way the sculpting is finished. I've already started painting the base tones and completed the face and hands so I should have an update of the finished driver tomorrow.
Also i went to the LBS and picked up some chain and braided line for the harness and jig.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0062_zpskoj4suhu.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0062_zpskoj4suhu.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0065_zpsopkdrehy.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0065_zpsopkdrehy.jpg.html)
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Sorry for the poor quality, taken with the phone camera.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13925218_10153981077299247_7157241576954689821_n_zpskxsrjipr.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13925218_10153981077299247_7157241576954689821_n_zpskxsrjipr.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13901334_10153981077489247_2066311249102383663_n_zps8lcj7mkk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13901334_10153981077489247_2066311249102383663_n_zps8lcj7mkk.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13891910_10153981077364247_7756480158811479647_n_zpstqxa44zm.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/13891910_10153981077364247_7756480158811479647_n_zpstqxa44zm.jpg.html)
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I admire your skills, driver figure looks great.
Adam.
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Totally agree with Adam - figures are things that I have real problems with. You make it look easy - the sign of a very skilled modeller.
Stephen.
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James,
I'll chime in with Adam and Stephen on your figure painting skills. I believe many of us are in the same boat when it concerns figures and no doubt we can certainly learn much from you and your skill set. Keep up the excellence my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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James, I only can echo that all: Very nice figures, I like them a lot! :)
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Right so after looking at uniforms I realized that I would need to also modify the sleeves of the jacket. I used simple masking tape for the sleeves and then some appropriate sized brass rod for the buttons.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_1544_zpsl4cwdzhr.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_1544_zpsl4cwdzhr.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0092_zpslozuvrjb.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0092_zpslozuvrjb.jpg.html)
After painting it up I applied the red piping and called it a day!!
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0102_zpsxgjlvtna.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0102_zpsxgjlvtna.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0115_zpsxum1cgtn.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0115_zpsxum1cgtn.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0125_zpsrpdbzml1.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0125_zpsrpdbzml1.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0122_zpsinpstpi7.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/DSC_0122_zpsinpstpi7.jpg.html)
So now all that needs doing is making the jig, harnesses and reins using the parts I picked up.
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Every thing so far is really impressive, with accurate detailing and painting of vehicles and people around. How beautiful is goig to be the whole scene! I'm really longing to see the next steps.
Giuseppe
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James, just remember that German Airfield personnel in WWI wore black uniforms without piping!
Best wishes
Borsos
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Yes,borsos is right,black working dress and black bands on the Feldmützen( or pork pie hats).That driver is clearly an infantry man.Don't mind James,this is no reson to change this wonderfully rendered figure in my oppinion,I think it would have been well possible that infantry helped out with personnel for transportation duties or else.
Well done ,James,I'm really lookin'forward on how you tackle Ron Kootje's conversion set!
best regards
Mathias
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James, just remember that German Airfield personnel in WWI wore black uniforms without piping!
Best wishes
Borsos
But he and like the other driver of the Marienfelde Lorry are not Airfield personnel - they would have been army personnel thus the uniform. (Same as the RFC/RAF - Drivers would have been assigned from the transport division or similar)
Also be very careful in your assumptions Borsos - Black fatigues were early war, they moved to field grey mid-late war and there are plenty of photographs showing a combination of black, Beige and Field Grey uniforms. If you go to the TVAL archive photos there are some wonderful photos of ground personnel in a whole range of colours and fatigues. Also if you scan through any of the Windsock Data Files on German bombers or observation aircraft you will come across a whole host of images showing ground personnel in different colours, uniforms etc. But by all accounts Jack Herris book G-Type Bombers has some incredible photos especaily of the Gotha G.V an G.VI bomber personnel in field grey.
Finally the sculptors Andrey Blyoskin, Steve Warrilo, Martin Hille and other very talented and dedicated sculpters, all of who spend countless hours researching uniforms and colours have them painted in field grey fatigues .
Some other good photos are straight from the Wingnut Wings page - named them pic n mix for obvious reasons.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix_zpsmwvojm5a.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix_zpsmwvojm5a.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix2_zps5muqvgko.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix2_zps5muqvgko.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix3_zpsvgyjvqgf.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/pic%20n%20mix3_zpsvgyjvqgf.jpg.html)
This is something that I had issues with before though Borsos in my last diorama and I contacted several experts in the field of WWI aviation they all came back that if you want to depict a realistic WWI German airfield then you need a mix of colours.
Thus why in my last diorama I have them in mixed uniforms.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Roland%20CIIa%20FISHY/3b_zpsltjrx4hd.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Roland%20CIIa%20FISHY/3b_zpsltjrx4hd.jpg.html)
Keep the critique coming though - It is very much appreciated as I come from a profession where we are constantly peer reviewing so in my search to back up my work I'm finding more interesting photos and information - however this has no led to more problems.
I found photos of a horses at an airfield - it's one of the comical photos were they are pulling an aircraft by horse and everyone has jumped on - the horse is in harness, being led by non airfield personnel but the horse is not blinkered, then I find another photo of a horse pulling a crashed B.II and its blinkered...... to blinker or not to blinker that is the question!
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Remarkable work on the figure and wagon, James. This is going to be such a joy to watch. The clash of eras is what I find so compelling about WWI, especially aviation.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi James,
I love this exchange of Information and I dearly hope you don't mind my comments as your fantastic work itself is beyond any criticism :) One of the reasons why I love this forum so much is that I can learn so much that I didn't know, because I didn't even think about asking. So I try to give my two cents where I think I could possibly give a hint.
The information I have on German aircrew uniforms are these:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrbctwjak.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsrbctwjak.jpeg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqibcea0k.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqibcea0k.jpeg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps1i6o5nht.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps1i6o5nht.jpeg.html)
I rely heavily on these Osprey books because as far as I can say they are very well researched. I never heared of black as early war dress and the exchange for field grey... But your post made me have a closer look at this book
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskkepsiph.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskkepsiph.jpeg.html)
It deals with German Army uniforms of WWI exhaustively and contains about 700 pages - but there's nothing in it dealing with the question of aircrew uniforms ... strange!
But the differnce in shade, especially when it comes to the very light jackets on your photos, is undoubtable. I just have another hypothesis: Next to their normal uniform every German soldier received working clothes, the so called drillichanzug. This was to be worn when it got dirty: For digging trenches, cleaning the barracks and other heavy work. This Drillichanzug was white or beige at the outbreack of the war. But that white working clothes were not the most clever idea was even realized at the German military bureaucracy and they started to dye these clothings field grey. That's the look of such a dyed Drillichjacke:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsda25olvc.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsda25olvc.jpeg.html)
That's what I think the guys with the very light jackets are wearing, I think, on the Pic with the AEG bomber there are even the standing collars visible. And it would be logical: uparmouring a bomber plane is heavy work... So it's highly plausible, that due to shortages some went on wearing these light coloured (white/beige) Drillichjacken, some even wore their drillich trousers (which were threatened the same way) while maintaing aircraft or doing other heavy work behind the frontline. It is plausible as well that some aircrew received field grey uniforms due to shortages of black ones. But I think these differences between black or (field) grey on b/w photos of these times are very hard to review. I read some reports that frontline soldiers in the German army were recognizable from far away by their bleached uniforms, while the greenhorns still had their dark field grey ones. Clothing colors seem to jave faded quickly and I personally would take these shades as faded black - as I said, just my own interpretation.
by the way, your Walfisch ist just awesome too, I simply love the finish of this bird! And the question on blinked horses or not blinked horses .... pew... a very good one - maybe that depended on the anxiety of the horse...? ::)
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Yes the exchange in information is great - here is another photo I found of the natural "Drillich".... rather conspicuous and that was officially dyed to Field Grey later on in the war.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Fatigue-uniforms1_zps3glf2thb.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Fatigue-uniforms1_zps3glf2thb.jpg.html)
And the uniform that is on display at the Imperial War Museum..... 50 shades of grey ?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/14030871_10208385823297102_824672019_n_zpsljzxdeap.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/14030871_10208385823297102_824672019_n_zpsljzxdeap.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/14030616_10208385824817140_1399027949_n_zpsrqzi0u7u.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/14030616_10208385824817140_1399027949_n_zpsrqzi0u7u.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/14031177_10208385823737113_1040787036_n_zpsz62fluhh.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/14031177_10208385823737113_1040787036_n_zpsz62fluhh.jpg.html)
Going over the photos there is a huge array of uniform types of different shades - some clearly natural Drillich, some dyed, some heavily so, then as you point out dress uniform of every shade from obvious black to very light grey there is even a double breasted jacket in view being worn by rank and file. I used the above photos as the men are all in line and mostly in the open so the light source is the same and much more ideal for addressing this topic.
I take it the section you gave from Osprey Publishing German Air Forces 1914-18 is the only section on Ground Crew - if so that is a real shame? Could it be that the same happened with the Germans as it did the RNAS/RFC/RAF - that basically the change in uniform from Command was made yet personnel kept originals and the change was gradual rather than immediate - the change in fortunes for the Germans exasperating the difficulties in the change in uniform?
I think the only conclusion that can be made is to basically really mix up the shades and styles of the uniforms of the ground crews from black all the way through to almost white. Thankfully I'm yet to start on the Fliegertruppe ground crews........ The horses and limbers are almost done! Only a single set of reins remain to be attached - but working with 0.3mm masking tape is proving to be a little fiddly!
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Great, well painted figure makes me curious for all whats coming up.
Manni
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So I'm calling this part 90% done and it will be put on the back burner until ready to be placed within the Diorama - a few more items to go in the back of the limber as well as more weathering - mostly muddy things up a little.
As you can see I decided to make some blinkers for the horse - don't want the poor beasts bolting!
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/sig_zpsbp0riyqm.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/sig_zpsbp0riyqm.jpg.html)
The coat of arms has been removed and a little weathering over it - several more coats will be applied to bring it to contrast with the other areas. I will also burnish or weather the pole arm chains as they coming up way to bright in the photos - I may even turn then completely black as they would be left with the limber and not part of the harness.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/1_zpssxioxcle.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/1_zpssxioxcle.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/6_zpsgvyb6bct.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/6_zpsgvyb6bct.jpg.html)
The tows replaced with scratch made ones as I didn't like the ridged lines of the kit part - these feel more natural and bowed where they needed to.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/3_zpsgcypkj3o.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/3_zpsgcypkj3o.jpg.html)
Putting it together with the MarienFelde Lorry
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/8_zpskrpjjbaj.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/8_zpskrpjjbaj.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/close_zpsc99w9gfb.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/close_zpsc99w9gfb.jpg.html)
So now on to the next part of the build! :D
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So here she is, the Aviattic Marienfelde Lorry and Masterbox Ltd. Horse drawn limber were nice distractions but now for the fun!
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/IMG_20160815_150808_zpsnmvxr3ho.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/WWI%20Airfield%20Horse%20and%20Cart/IMG_20160815_150808_zpsnmvxr3ho.jpg.html)
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James,
Incredible job on the limber and figures, very nice! I think the chains would benefit from a brown or black transparent coat to impart a dis-coloured look (heavily tarnished look?) before you try full black. Looking forward to the main event!
Cheers,
Lance
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James,
I decided it was time to catch up on the diorama group build and your thread is the first Your work on the Truck, wagon, horses, and figures is really stunning to say the least! I will now follow along regularly ;D
RAGIII
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I'm working on a very similar project so I'll be following closely.
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Over the past three days I've had some quality bench time with the Gotha G.IV /V build.
I used a combination of Tamiya colours, Uschi van der Rosten wood decals and oils for the wood.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0171_zps71359odo.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0171_zps71359odo.jpg.html)
From there it was a case of slowly building up the detailing with the kit parts and also the HGW Super detail kit.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0209_zpsoh3pjsns.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0209_zpsoh3pjsns.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0211_zpsd3eqk6jt.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0211_zpsd3eqk6jt.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0207_zpsud74ustj.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0207_zpsud74ustj.jpg.html)
Also specail thanks to Ray Rimell for the use of the Gotha! script from the Special Datafile.
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Perfect! Will you build mine for me?
Cheers,
Bud
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Outstanding work on the pit! Beautiful wood work!
RAGIII
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James,
That wood finish is as good as it gets! I also marvel at your detailing, this whole display is going to be spectacular. :o :) It's a pleasure to follow your progress, great Thread, so much information and learning here.
Cheers,
Lance
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Top notch, first class modelling in every way. This is going to be a mind blowing dio when it is completed.
Stephen.
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Wonderful interior and wood tones, very nice. It's going to be a great Gotha!
Borsos
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Many thanks everyone for the kind words and also the critique it does keep the wheels turning!
After attaching the turnbuckles for internal bracing wires it was time to make sure the fit was still good.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0005_zpsixkjwxjz.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0005_zpsixkjwxjz.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0003_zpsmpslnnut.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0003_zpsmpslnnut.jpg.html)
I decided to leave the rigging for another time as I was feeling a little mentally tired from 8 straight hours at the bench and completely forgetting to eat anything.
Time to turn in!
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So today was the point of no return and started chopping away at the Gotha G.IV.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/118307_zpsfoda5wfv.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/118307_zpsfoda5wfv.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0016_zpswqyktkun.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0016_zpswqyktkun.jpg.html)
The parts made by Ron Kootje are fantastic and match the exact thickness of the Wingnut Wings fuselage - once positioned I bonded it with gel type CA and left to cure.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0017_zps5rbyequ7.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0017_zps5rbyequ7.jpg.html)
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James! What are you doing here? I thought my Gotha looked quiet convincing to me but now..... :'(
The complete interiuer is terrific.
Einfach wunderbar! Fantastisch!
Thank you for showing,
Manni
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Sometimes you just got to bite the bullet and take the hard route.
I started dry fitting the cockpit together and started to wonder why things looked a little strange, the answer is that the side console is missing from the Gotha G.V and it has a completely different dashboard and instrument panel!
The throttle controls and compass are now in the bay on the left side along with the airspeed indicator and all of the dials and switches are now directly in front of the pilot on a much larger console.
This meant two things, one that I would have to remove the side console and two build a completely scratch built instrument panel.
Now the problem is that this would leave a bloody great big hole in the wood flooring I had already done!
So time to bite the bullet! All the front section removed and the paint and wood decals removed.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0040_zpsy6sucngp.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0040_zpsy6sucngp.jpg.html)
Again its preshaded and preweathered.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0043_zpswpbcwa7l.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0043_zpswpbcwa7l.jpg.html)
So with the cockpit how it should be it was time to focus on the rest of the parts!
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James, I looked at your Photos and might have seen a mistake (sorry, I don't wand to displease you but better to say it now or never)
I think the GV was not equipped with the "Monokulares Abwurfgerät" bombsight in the observer's floor.
Here I have a very detailed russian source were you can see everything:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft30020.htm (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft30020.htm)
I will also send you a picture of the mentioned section.
Manni
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Next up is all the internal wood work, again this was achieved using the same technique as the floor paneling.
I used the RB Productions Interior kit and again followed the same method - only when it came to laying the decal I laid it completely over the whole PE sprew, then after they had dried I cut the edges and then coated in Tamiiya Clear. They still require a orange tint to match the rest of the interior.
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James, I looked at your Photos and might have seen a mistake (sorry, I don't wand to displease you but better to say it now or never)
I think the GV was not equipped with the "Monokulares Abwurfgerät" bombsight in the observer's floor.
Here I have a very detailed russian source were you can see everything:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft30020.htm (http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft30020.htm)
I will also send you a picture of the mentioned section.
Manni
Many thanks for that Manni! A Very nice source! Actually this I knew and the Ron Kootje comes with the belly detail for the nose section that has a trap door where the hole for the sites would have been so it seems that the hole remained and was used for other reasons. You can see the detail on the scale drawings in the Windsock Datafile and it seems the trap door is completely gone in the G.Va and G.Vb
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@Manni, great minds think alike.... .sadly my Russian is very lacking.
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So with the console out, decking and equipment reinstalled I started some work on the cockpit instrument panel - this is just a mock-up to make sure the fit is true - the holes for the switches,dials and other apparatus will slowly be marked out on a final piece.
The hole for the fifth switch is too high - this will be corrected in the next attempt.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/James_Machin/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0053_zpsy7pytoin.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/James_Machin/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Gotha%20GV%20Conversion/DSC_0053_zpsy7pytoin.jpg.html)
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It's a pleasure to me to see your work.
Sadly my russian is like yours-not there- but fortunately my collegue (Dmitri) is a very helpful guy and is always so kind and translates me every thing.
But your log is very interesting for me, because I think the Go 1002/16 that I like to build is a bit between GIV and GV so I can copy some of your ideas.
Manni
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Manni,
Also Erika 904/16 was a retrofitted G.V and there is a photo of the aircraft straight out of the factory without the Drift site on the right side and was later added to the aircraft.
Here is the section on the Gotha G.V that shows the trap door.
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and the Instrument panel.
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Magnificent work on the modifications, James! Painful lesson, but one you handled brilliantly!
Cheers,
Bud
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So where did the bombsight get moved to? Was there still a hole in the floor or not?
James I think you need to make another change in your interior. The fuel tanks were moved to the inside behind the Pilot on the GV. The fuel tanks on the GIV sat under the engine. But once the nacelle got small on the GV the fuel tanks were moved to inside of the fuselage. They said they did this to protect the fuel tanks so they weren't so exposed out on the wing. I believe the internal bomb racks were removed and the fuel tanks were put in their place, at least on the Port side. I believe the bomb rack behind the pilot should be removed....and possibly both racks. Maybe the one one the starboard side was left on some GV's but I think they were both removed.....I can send some drawings if you need.... I'm working on a GV too although it's a GVb, using the same conversion from Ron. So I have been doing research and I noticed the discrepancy....
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So where did the bombsight get moved to? Was there still a hole in the floor or not?
James I think you need to make another change in your interior. The fuel tanks were moved to the inside behind the Pilot on the GV. The fuel tanks on the GIV sat under the engine. But once the nacelle got small on the GV the fuel tanks were moved to inside of the fuselage. They said they did this to protect the fuel tanks so they weren't so exposed out on the wing. I believe the internal bomb racks were removed and the fuel tanks were put in their place, at least on the Port side. I believe the bomb rack behind the pilot should be removed....and possibly both racks. Maybe the one one the starboard side was left on some GV's but I think they were both removed.....I can send some drawings if you need.... I'm working on a GV too although it's a GVb, using the same conversion from Ron. So I have been doing research and I noticed the discrepancy....
Gotha G.V 904/16 left the factory without an external Bomb/ drift sight on the right side of the aircraft and it was later retro fitted on the aircraft early 1918 - no actual dates are available apart from she is seen without when she left the factory then seen with it in March of 1918.
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In regards to the hole in the floor - there is absolutely no photo evidence to say if it was or wasn't however in the scale drawings there are sliding hatches in the fuselage directly under where the holes would have been.
In regards to the offer of the drawings that would be very kind of you and I would love to see them as it will really help me - I have very limited time for research and the build is really proving to be a stretch in many areas both time and skills required for the modification and scratch building.
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Here is the best thing I found
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/bomber-gotha-sketch_zpssbhsvdyw.gif) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/bomber-gotha-sketch_zpssbhsvdyw.gif.html)
Didn't your conversion come with the cover to cover the walkway where the bomb racks are? Some of the GV's had this cover and there was a little curtain behind and to the right of the pilot....
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So after the great information you guys have given me i've decided to scarp this current build and start again. The current interior will be placed in a G.IV and I'll basically have to purchase another Gotha to make all the modifications to the interior.
To be honest it's the best way to move forward at this moment.
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Ohh, that is sad, but I think you are right.
I just have been in Beglium this Weekend in the Rojal military museum and thought of you and took some extra pictures for you of a engine gondola of a Gotha GV. I can send you the pictures in a few days. I will also post some pictures of the engine and the other planes on the forum.
Manni
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I'll keep the torching going on this project. I'll start a new thread and show what I have so far....I just need to get a little more before I have something worthwhile to show....I'm still hoping to pick your brain on a few different things on the GV. I ordered another Gotha as well, in case I need parts. I'm hoping I won't and maybe I can do another Gotha, maybe G III?
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One of the things I've noticed is that many of the Gotha G.V are different in many ways. In some of the pictures the central storage space where the fuel tanks have been moved to show different characteristics.
In one it actually looks like the top of the original tank is protruding from the top, on others it looks like tanks were built specifically to fit within the bay.
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However this is not visible on Erika in any of the available photos, so the possibility is that some G.V, Va, Vb were built using materials readily available and its possible that Erika probably had drum style fuel tanks installed. One other thing to not is the fuel model, the diagram supplied shows the model near the rear gunners position, while there is photographic evidence that shows the model just behind the pilot (G.V) and this would make sense as the last thing you'd want is a large tank of aviation fuel next to the propellers, especially as it was very common to top the fuel up just before take off.
I'm not sure when I'll be able to resurrect this project as funds are a little low having just bought my dream bike :) however there is a lot I can still do in regards to the wing and engine configuration.
Manni, many thanks for thinking of me and I really appreciate it. Looking forward to seeing the photos!
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I have seen those pics as well. I was thinking that the fuel tank on the fuselage looks real similar to the tanks mounted on the top wing. Maybe it's an auxiliary tank to add more range?? Why it's there instead of the top wing I'm not sure. Unless it's easier to put them all together in the middle?? One thing to note is that both the aircraft you showed are GVb..... So maybe nothing to concern Erika with? There are pics of the standard GV with the cover over the walkway and the curtain just to the right behind the pilot....
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Right!
Progress! It turns out that the Internal fuel tanks were specifically built for the G.V and could possibly be re-arranged or added to depending on mission requirements. Sometimes, but not always, these filled the full width of the fuselage and could be completely covered.
Taking a closer look at the image of Erika I'm sure the section between the pilot and the rear gunners position is closed!
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I have seen those pics as well. I was thinking that the fuel tank on the fuselage looks real similar to the tanks mounted on the top wing. Maybe it's an auxiliary tank to add more range?? Why it's there instead of the top wing I'm not sure. Unless it's easier to put them all together in the middle?? One thing to note is that both the aircraft you showed are GVb..... So maybe nothing to concern Erika with? There are pics of the standard GV with the cover over the walkway and the curtain just to the right behind the pilot....
Where are those photos from Zavod? I would really like to see them!
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Is it this one? If so I don't think that's a curtain but leather padding as the oxygen supply would be floating in the air.
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Your right, thats the pic I was thinking of.... So do you think the walkway is totally shut off?
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It looks like the panel is removable, and I'm guessing ther isn't a crawl space between the compartments as looking at the position of the oxygen system i'm guessing it's totally blocked off as a gunner could more easily slide over the top of the fuselage to access the pilot/commanders position?
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One way or another I think your back in business. Don't forget to shave an fill the bomb doors on the lower wing....