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Forum Archive Storage => WW1 Diorama Group Build => Topic started by: Edo on July 08, 2016, 05:58:06 PM

Title: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 08, 2016, 05:58:06 PM: Hi all!
I am starting a new project: Takom FT 17 in 1:16 scale (item n. 1003) my first in such a large scale!
First let me tell you the box is huge! A real joy for the eyes when you open it. There is also a resin figure of a sitting tankman and by looking at him you got the real perseption of the difference in scale from 1:35 and the frightening feeling that any little error will be so much more visible here! Building and painting has to be perfect or imperfections will stand out and ruin the model... So I'll have to be extra-careful ::)
On the negative side, I don't like the instruction manual very much: for such a big model (and a pricey one, too) I would have expected something more... all black and white very traditional step by step, no photo reference, no history (just a mere paragraph ending with: "for futher reference please visit Wikipedia" !!!), no painting guide for the interior, colour references only with MIG product's codes :o (!).

Anyway, the idea for the diorama is that a tank needs reparation and, luckly, this failure occours near a bistrot where not all is lost! So the tankmen find a chair, put a remainig table upright and pours themselves a glass of red wine (or maybe Pastis) while waiting for mechanics to come. what do you think?

Step n. 1 is the engine building, but studying some pictures I found on the Net, I don't have a clear understanding where the sparks cable is connected to... does some of you guys have a clue?

Thank you for your help

ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on July 08, 2016, 06:12:19 PM: Hi Edo,
do you know this homepage: http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles.html# ? Maybe some of your questions are answered there.
Best wishes with your dio!
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Manni on July 08, 2016, 06:14:39 PM: Hello Edo,
very nice project. I will definitely watch with high interest.
Regarding your question of the wireing I think I can help you. A fellow modeler of my homebase-forum build one FT17 very nice.
Here is the link to the buildlog: http://www.dmmb.info/t9817f301-Takom-Renault-FT-in-die-Fortsetzung.html (http://www.dmmb.info/t9817f301-Takom-Renault-FT-in-die-Fortsetzung.html)
He is a real master and has won a lot of prices.
I hope this helps.
Manni
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 08, 2016, 10:04:18 PM: Hi friends!
thank you for the link! I really appreciate that!
I'll have to dig through the pictures, I am sure to find something useful!

Manni, yor friend did a great job and i don't aven have to dust my bad German to understand what he has done ;D

But the mistery contiunes:
This is your firend's model

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/dscf1854p3ujq_zpsjfuv0xf7.jpg)

At first I thougt the same as your friend, but then I found other pics on the internet where the cables just vanish nowhere...

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/IMG_2725_zpsj6syyplu.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/IMG_2323_zpsxq1ncbud.jpg)

to me your friend's choice seems more logical...

I'll try to get some more evidence!

ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: kornbeef on July 09, 2016, 07:58:07 AM: Edo type FT17 Engine into google :-)

https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6032/5903689869_566e2f2019_z.jpg (hope it works ny old friend :-)
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 11, 2016, 05:28:11 PM: Yeah! I did that, but no clear picture of where the cable are connected to...
I am still searching, in the meanwhile I'll show you some work in progres picture soon!
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 12, 2016, 05:04:30 PM: Hi all!
My quest continues! This time I tried a search on french sites and, actually, something useful turned out!
here are some pics:

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/5170119778_f860cb2309_b-26760a7_zpsybxi9mhz.jpg)

This is an image of a restoration of a Renault Type II car (of 1921 I think). So the engine is not the same ot the one of the FT 17, but to me it is quite similar and it seems to me that the sparks' cable are connected where Manni first pointed out.

More evidence follows:

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/0hhi4-2d371aa_zpswkgkcul6.jpg)

Here also not the same engine but similar lay out

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/renault%20008.jpg4._zpsrcbeyqtd.jpg)

The last one should be the real thing... not a very clear pic though... anyway, it seems to me that the cables are all in the same position, so I'll do the same .
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on July 12, 2016, 05:36:23 PM: Hi Edo,
there's another site: http://po2260.perso.sfr.fr/FT17/FT17.htm#MENU
Have a Look at the manual for the FT there, it may contain information about the wiring.
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 15, 2016, 05:27:53 PM: Hello all!
yesterday night I took some pictures of the buid as is now.
Borsos, I saw the site and there are some interesting stuff.
By the way: having spent some time with the engine (pictures follow) I have to tell you that I am less enthusiast then I have been at first. It is true that a bigger scale gives you a bigger canvas to work on, but the level of detail of a bigger scale doesn't seem to me as striking compared to the increase in detail from 1:48 to 1:35 scale.
I mean, considering the level of detail of, say, a WNW kit or what Des or Bo or many other great modeller have acheived in their builds, it doesn't seem to me that a bigger scale offer all that much...
Anyway, this is the engine as it is now:

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%201%20di%208_zpsljypimby.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%203%20di%208_zpsorejl1nf.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%206%20di%208_zpso9sp2zn9.jpg)

I also re-constructed one of the absorber, not a great picture indeed, but I hope you still get what I did. Not sure if it ok though...

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%205%20di%208_zpsrazzw5yk.jpg)

Lastly, I started to paint the figure

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%208%20di%208_zpsnhpc7yu0.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%207%20di%208_zps3x12xns0.jpg)

This is all for now
ciao
Edo

p.s.
Des, do I have to start a new thread in the group build?
thank you
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on July 15, 2016, 06:42:49 PM: Edo - I can move this topic over to the GB if you wish, just let me know.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 15, 2016, 07:25:54 PM: Hi Des!
Yes, please do!
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on July 16, 2016, 01:58:03 AM: Beautiful work on the engine, shock absorbers and figure, Edo. Looking forward to your next update.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on July 17, 2016, 03:35:54 AM: Never mind that the amount of detail does not seem to increase in proportion to the scale - what you have done so far is simply fantastic. This is going to be a very interesting thread to follow.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lcarroll on July 17, 2016, 06:34:25 AM: Bravo Edo, it's looking great so far. Your engine is superb, keep up the great work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on July 17, 2016, 07:45:54 AM: Excellent work on the engine Edo, and your improvements to the shock absorber is superb.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on July 19, 2016, 05:15:53 PM: Hi all!
thank you for the feedback!
My children, luky them!, are at the seaside with grandpa and grandma so I had last week end all to myself and could spend it on the modelling bench :)
I managed to do a lot of work on the engine, the transmission, radiator and even the comparment wall of the driving section of the tank.
I find that it is difficult to adapt to a larger scale: i always seem to understimate te correct size of the addition I want to make...
anyway here is the engine, almost done I'd say

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2010%20di%2010_zpslamypf1s.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2011%20di%2010_zpsgmc29lfc.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2012%20di%2010_zps8jbktf6o.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2013%20di%2010_zpsenazqdg2.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2014%20di%2010_zps0l0vkv2c.jpg)

I subsituted all the springs with copper wire and added a tap on the pipe. I also added "something" on the top of the engine: there are 4 cilynders on tthe engine, 4 candels and 4 "empty" spaces on the head of the engine. In an interesting video I found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQI9Qgeq6M) one can see that those spaces aren't empty at all (I kinda guess how those thing work but I can't really understand, nor know their name...)

This is the transmmission

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2017%20di%2010_zpsqzqmfkeh.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2016%20di%2010_zpsp9wz7hfz.jpg)

The radiator

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2019%20di%2010_zpsufnjlhb9.jpg)

and the compartment wall

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%2018%20di%2010_zpsapqqw8rb.jpg)

That is all for now!
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on July 19, 2016, 07:19:28 PM: Edo, this is a wonderfully built engine, really first class! I am keen on seeing the whole tank!
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on July 19, 2016, 07:26:38 PM: Superb workmanship on the engine and transmission Edo, and the radiator looks very good as well.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: IanB on July 19, 2016, 11:18:02 PM: Nice work Edo.
I think the "empty spaces" you refer to are the primer cups, they are used to add fuel into each cylinder to help start the engine. The "candels" are called spark plugs in English. I'm looking forward to seeing this progress!

Ian
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Mark on July 20, 2016, 01:42:46 AM: Yep, the "empty spaces" are for the primer cups, one for each cylinder. If I remember correctly, the layout is:

cup -- plug -- plug -- cup -- cup-- plug -- plug -- cup

Your engine looks GREAT!!! Hope I can approach that on my 1/35th model :)

Mark G
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on July 20, 2016, 02:03:47 AM: Extraordinary work on the engine, Edo! I doubt you would've achieved such flawless results with the kids around. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on July 20, 2016, 02:45:00 AM: That engine looks as though it is ready to have fuel put into those primer cups and then started. But do not forget to connect the equally brilliant radiator first or it will overheat and seize up!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: gbrivio on July 20, 2016, 02:54:35 AM: The engine is full a model by itself, and a great model. Can't wait to see the whole thing.
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on August 01, 2016, 06:10:53 PM: Hi all! thank you for the support!
Tonight where I live was struck by a thunderstorm big enough to disrupt the sinking and savage network resulting in a couple of cm of water all over my basement!
Not a big deal, but it took good 3 hours of work by my wife and me to get going and it is still not completely over... fortunately my models were high above the floor ::)...
My thought goes to all the people hit by a real flooding... that has to be really a disaster, one that I have always undervalued and what happened is a good lesson I had learned.

Anyway... here are some pic of the tank.
I started working at the interior:

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20108%20di%204_zpsovyz45eq.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20102%20di%204_zpsroqjnqff.jpg)

The seat (quite crude in the model) is enhanced as Mastro Bertl has shown us.

The transmission needed some extra work as he fitting is not good: something like 2 mm too back which results in a non square engine wall, so I had to reduce the starting gear and a little of the transmission itself...

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20103%20di%204_zpsoyztl26y.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20107%20di%204_zpsesoktr0x.jpg)

And started working on the left hand side

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20100%20di%204_zpstaulojlk.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20105%20di%204_zpsc681n0bq.jpg)

This is a close up of the rear left side to show the weathering I did: after a wash with raw umber, I used a sponge to apply a mix of black and silver to simulate chipping that was subsequently rusted with raw umber and pastels.
LOTS of ejection marks had to be removed something that i HATE to do... maybe is all wasted time as almost nothing will be seen in the end, but those roundels all over the surface is something I just can't live with >:(
I also filled the area where the spare tank will be located as I want to show it outside the tank itself (more on that later, but if you look closely you can see whare it was supposed to be).

I laso enhanced (at least I hope so... ::)) the gears in the driving compartment

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20101%20di%204_zpsk0tlo3zt.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%20106%20di%204_zpsmwkzyh9k.jpg)

I haven't a picture of the original part, but this is what I found on the Net so you can see the difference

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/Takom20Renault20FT20100120F207_zpsrzb8c4jd.jpg)

And this is why I cut a hole in the floor to accomodate the cabling under the driving compartment, not sure of the accuracy, but those gear HAVE to be connected to something ::)
Well this is it for now...
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Manni on August 01, 2016, 07:04:45 PM: Wow! I was just three weeks on vacation and...bam you have made a perfect looking motor and transmission. Beautiful.
Manni
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on August 01, 2016, 07:34:38 PM: You are doing a superb job with this build Edo, your attention to detail is excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on August 02, 2016, 02:13:40 AM: Truly remarkable interior work, Edo!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: kornbeef on August 02, 2016, 02:34:18 AM: Looking very nice Edo as your builds always do. I like the subtle tonal difference around the area where the tank would have been A sweet touch.

1:16th really begs for those extra details I know (building Trumpeters 1:16th Pz.Kpw IV Ausf F right now and its missing tons of detail inside.) This FT kit is on special offer in one of my two surviving Bricks and Mortar Model shops and it begs me to buy it everytime I go in.

Keep up the work

Keith
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on August 02, 2016, 02:47:54 AM: That is a really superb set of extra detailing and the paintwork is very convincing. The stains look really realistic.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on August 02, 2016, 05:14:18 PM: Thank you mates!
Your encouragement is very much appreciated! :D

I am now working on 2 command lever (206-208 in the picture below I found on the Internet thank to Borsos advised link) Not sure what they are for, but sure need some attention as in the kit offering they are very basic.

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/MPFT17-PPlan10_zpsl4ity3yh.jpg)

see you soon!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: eindecker on August 03, 2016, 12:58:38 PM: Edo,
Thanks for the drawings. About to start my Meng 1:35 FT-17 and these will be very useful.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: kornbeef on August 03, 2016, 03:07:26 PM: looking at the diagram 208 hs to be an auxillary throttle surely? looks like it likns to the accelorator peddle, maybe its in case the foot pedal jams or is incapacitated. 206 is a bit of a mystery.

There used to be a WWI modelling site had lots of images of FTs and other manufacturers versions in museums all over the world.
It was a treasure trove for many WWI vehicles mainy tanks but... as is the way of the internet.. it closed it seems :-(
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on August 03, 2016, 05:14:55 PM: Hi guys!
indeed the site borsos suggested is a mine of information: all in french... ???
but I managed to guess a translation more or less... (internet helps!) so 206 seems to be a handbrake and 208 seems to be some sort of fuel control.
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on August 08, 2016, 12:39:27 AM: Cool that you can make use of it!
Kornbeef, do you mean the landships site? It was run by Peter Kempf and he actually seems to have closed his site. But there seem to be a group of other fellows who run Landships II where they publish much of Peter's work again: http://www.landships.info/landships/index.html It's not the whole Landships, it was a huge site, but now there's even a forum that seems to be quite interesting .
Best Wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: kornbeef on August 08, 2016, 07:49:08 AM: No Borsos.

It was a general WWI modelling page that covered new releases and walk arounds for all manner of things. I think it was ran by someone in New Zealand , it just had a wealth of images of vehicles and all manner of things. I know the Landships II forum yes.

Keith
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on August 11, 2016, 06:08:07 AM: Sorry Keith!
sounds very interesting. Sad that it's closed!
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2016, 12:43:49 AM: I am just catching up on your build. I am very impressed with your work on the motor as well as the painting and weathering of the interior. Your detail work is exceptional!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on September 08, 2016, 01:29:43 PM: very nice edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on September 26, 2016, 05:47:26 PM: Hey friends!
I am back with a small update. I have lost some of my mojo, but I hope that moving to a new phase of the model will bring it back...
anyway, here a re some pics of the (almost) closed hull. The engine is not installed yet, but tonight it will be in place.
I test fitted the engine and the hull cover and discovered that (my fault or Meng's) it is moved 3 mm towards the back! >:( :'( So I'll have to figure out how to fill the resulting gap...

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%203%20di%204_zpsoi77hjux.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%204%20di%204_zpstpzdwaoi.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%201%20di%204_zpsynts0vlw.jpg)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af290/Edo0606/ft%2017%202%20di%204_zpstqywhbmr.jpg)

This is all for now!
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on September 26, 2016, 07:39:26 PM: The interior of this tank is looking superb Edo, you have done a brilliant job.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on September 27, 2016, 12:55:17 PM: it is coming out super nice edo. this kit has alot to work with as far as detail, may have to get me one
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on September 27, 2016, 06:22:01 PM: Hey!
thank you for the kind worlds! very appreciated!
Red Baron, thank you for the tip! I'll have a look.
I found also the rounds 3d printed on Shapeways, but, 30€ is a hell lot of money so I am still considering it...
I know it is an old story, but I found aftermarket prices very disconforting as I prefer to invest in new models rather updates
Anyway, thank you again, I'll have a look...

ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on October 09, 2016, 01:50:02 AM: Hi guys!
just wanted to give you a quick update.
I started to paint the outside, far from finished, but wanted to hear your opinion...
so here it goes:

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%205%20di%202_zpslv4e51oz.jpg)

In the meanwhile I have started to build the café for the diorama.
This is the very beginning but wanted to show my procedure:

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%201%20di%204_zpsne6xgzln.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%202%20di%204_zpsrxhhdttt.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%203%20di%204_zpsxj3zt0jo.jpg)

and the interior...

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%204%20di%204_zpszvj4gpap.jpg)

all togheter now...

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%206%20di%202_zps1ra0hw6z.jpg)

this is all for now, wish you a pleasant week end!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on October 09, 2016, 05:39:43 AM: You have done a great job with the camo, the paint colours are excellent, and the cafe is looking excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on October 09, 2016, 05:45:23 AM: That is stunning work Edo. I am particularly interested in how you construct your wrecked building as i would like to be able to build more items like this to go with some of my models in future. Thanks for showing us what you are doing - very informative.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on October 09, 2016, 02:13:13 PM: Quote from: Des on October 09, 2016, 05:39:43 AM
You have done a great job with the camo, the paint colours are excellent, and the cafe is looking excellent.

Des.
My thoughts exactly, Edo!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Dave W on October 09, 2016, 04:17:58 PM: Excellent work! And the wrecked building is coming along very nicely. This is sure to be a great diorama.

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on October 10, 2016, 01:01:09 AM: Hallo friends! Thank you very much for your comments, very much appreciated!!! :D
I'll show you some progress on the house. For the bricks I use cork. Not much care is needed to cut the cork as it will be damaged and worn in the next pases. Also I find that a bit of disomogeneity adds to realism.
As a side note, I have discovered that, after all, simmetry, uniformity and care are not that important when it comes to finishing. I mean: of course Des, Bo and others have shown us what care and attention to detail can bring to a model, actually bringing it to life. But sometimes i feel that this is not how reality actually unfolds. Trees grow asimmetrically, bricklaiers do commit errors, things wear differntly and colours fade in some areas and in others seems just new.
So, when it comes to lay cork bricks don't measure too much your eyes are the perfect tool to see if the lines are straight and if not, well, this is just how in the old times happened to have leaning towers! ;)

ok enough talking, now some picture...

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%2010%20di%203_zpsobapbuko.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%2011%20di%203_zpsc22xz72k.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%2012%20di%203_zpstazajaww.jpg)

on the inside, as you can see, not everything is covered in bricks, as it will covered with plaster, and afer that maybe some wallpaper....
we'll see.

next some colours on the bricks (red ochre oil) and mortar.
till then

ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on October 10, 2016, 04:11:31 AM: What a simple but wholly effective idea - cork for bricks!

I wholly agree that the Mk 1 eyeball is as good a measure as any for many things Edo - i this case you have proved the point.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Manni on October 10, 2016, 09:04:39 PM: Looks very good up to now, Edo.
That will add an interesting point to your dio.
Manni
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: RAGIII on October 11, 2016, 12:18:08 AM: Very nice scale brick work! Looks great to date!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on October 11, 2016, 01:05:01 AM: I love the cafe, Edo, but that camo scheme is exquisite! Very nicely done!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on October 17, 2016, 03:01:47 AM: Hi all!
Thank you for the knd comments! much appreciated! ;D
I went ahead with the construction of the cafe. After gluing the bricks, I painted them in red ochre oil, after it dried I picked some lighter and darker shade just to give it a little variation.

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20100%20di%203_zpswos77lrt.jpg)

Afer it dired I mixed some plaster with black gouache. Remember to add also some yellow to warm up the "mortar". Cover the wall with the mortar and then clean the bricks. Here is the result, hope you like it!

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20101%20di%203_zpsewyy70ot.jpg)

And this is the interior...

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20102%20di%203_zpsqgzguq3u.jpg)

This is all for now!
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lcarroll on October 17, 2016, 04:44:51 AM: Really great work on the bricks and mortar, Edo, and your wood really looks like aged framing as well. This is really starting to look good, nicely done so far!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on October 17, 2016, 06:38:17 AM: If that was suitably mounted it could pass for a real old wall with wood framing that had been knocked about. Super modelling.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on October 17, 2016, 07:35:49 AM: Excellent work with the bricks, mortar and timber Edo, you have achieved remarkable results with your very innovative cork brick idea.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: RAGIII on October 17, 2016, 08:07:42 AM: Brilliant results! Perhaps the most realistic I have seen!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on October 17, 2016, 09:27:53 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on October 17, 2016, 08:07:42 AM
Brilliant results! Perhaps the most realistic I have seen!
RAGIII
I agree with my Amigo, Edo! Absolutely amazing!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on October 18, 2016, 01:13:06 AM: And again I just can say "thank you" for sharing another breathtaking modelling technique, this time for creating realistic walls and bricks. This cork bricks are simply amazing and the way you added wood and plaster - it looks so much better than many many expensive resin cast aftermarket ruins! Very well done and a really clever idea!
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Manni on October 18, 2016, 04:24:32 PM: Lovely work you show here. Results like this make it clear that it is more satisfying to build a house/ruin rather to buy one that you could see on every third diorama.
Cheers,
Manni
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on October 19, 2016, 03:10:51 PM: Thank you! All of you! You appreciation Is an enormuos encuragement!
Borsios, Manny, thank you very much, really appreciated! I agree with you: scratch building is very rewarding and results are unique! if only my skills and patience were up to my dreams and expectations! .... ::)
Anyway I invite everione interested in diorama to give it a try: there are so much easily avilable references on the net, and from so much more skilled modeller than me, that is easy to get the inspiration and 'steal' some ideas and tricks!

Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Squiffy on October 25, 2016, 08:22:13 PM: Wow! Your brickwork is amazing. I look forward to seeing the whole thing, with the tank finished.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on November 26, 2016, 08:24:01 PM: A full month has passed, and now here I am with the completed diorama!
As already said, it was a pleasant build, but far too big for me to keep the mojo going...so it is with mixed emotion that I present it to you.
Anyway, a proud french tankman had a breakdown (no petrol? no oil?). Lukily it as near what once was a bistrot and he was lucky enought to find a chair and a table still standing. So he paused there waitng for his comerade to come back with some petrol to get going again. But let's the pictures talk! ;)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20202%20di%207_zpstqd75nea.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20204%20di%207_zpsbmoismfq.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20228%20di%2012_zpsvftpj5qt.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20229%20di%2012_zpsxuvqw9ti.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20235%20di%201_zps2bc5z9hu.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20227%20di%2012_zps2zmkwibc.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20226%20di%2012_zpsu8mlzzkw.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20221%20di%2012_zpss8wj412c.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20201%20di%207_zpseokrm9rw.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20232%20di%204_zps5a5dfio2.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20231%20di%204_zpspscuewna.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20200%20di%207_zpsgthamwnv.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20230%20di%2012_zps0qwwvuwp.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20225%20di%2012_zpsymsd6dxk.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20222%20di%2012_zpskpwjrizo.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20224%20di%2012_zpsyrofisck.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20223%20di%2012_zpsvic1eigy.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20231%20di%2012_zps5dzuvkle.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q736/edoardoellero/ft%2017%20203%20di%207_zps2btphtp3.jpg)

Hope you like it!! :D

ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: RAGIII on November 26, 2016, 08:46:30 PM: Beautiful results! The details are outstanding. It all works for me! I will need to take a lot of time to pick out all of the little things, like the water streaming from the broken pipe.
Well Done!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Borsos on November 26, 2016, 09:38:30 PM: EDO!
Wow, that's just breathtaking! There are two kinds of dioramas on the world: one kind is just a collection of models, beautifully build models, but "just" models arranged in a more or less realistic way. And that's all. The other kind of dioramas have this true sense of art, this special thing that separates the men from the boys, the true artists from the amateurs. Your works definitely belong to this second group. This eye for special details, this sense for telling a story just with little things, this special feeling of sadness and of an epoque that is lost forever (the family pic on the wall...) the sad, shocked eyes of the tanker, the touching will to keep a kind of normality in spite of all the signs of death and destruction... Just incredible, I can't stop looking at it. Chapeau, Edo, you are a real master! I am blown away.
Best wishes
Borsos
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Juan on November 26, 2016, 10:07:20 PM: Superb Edo, the pictures look great, but I am sure they do not do your handiwork justice. Take a vow Maestro.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lone modeller on November 27, 2016, 03:58:34 AM: Borsos has written it better than I could. I agree with all that he has written - this is truly a work of art - much more than a model. Outstanding is a major understatement.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Des on November 27, 2016, 07:03:09 AM: Quote from: Borsos on November 26, 2016, 09:38:30 PM
EDO!
Wow, that's just breathtaking! There are two kinds of dioramas on the world: one kind is just a collection of models, beautifully build models, but "just" models arranged in a more or less realistic way. And that's all. The other kind of dioramas have this true sense of art, this special thing that separates the men from the boys, the true artists from the amateurs. Your works definitely belong to this second group. This eye for special details, this sense for telling a story just with little things, this special feeling of sadness and of an epoque that is lost forever (the family pic on the wall...) the sad, shocked eyes of the tanker, the touching will to keep a kind of normality in spite of all the signs of death and destruction... Just incredible, I can't stop looking at it. Chapeau, Edo, you are a real master! I am blown away.
Best wishes
Borsos

My thoughts exactly, a superb effort with stunning results.

Des.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: IanB on November 27, 2016, 08:02:03 AM: I can't add much to what has akready been said....masterful! The little details like the water pipe and the pic on the wall give it a wonderful realism.
Bravo!

Ian
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: coyotemagic on November 27, 2016, 01:09:38 PM: Truly mind blowing diorama, Edo! Andreas has said it all so eloquently, I have nothing more to add.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on November 28, 2016, 04:08:44 PM: Thank you, thank you, thank you! :D
Your comments are really appreciated! Borsos, you have been so much more than kind, my friend!

Thank you again,
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Manni on November 28, 2016, 05:01:52 PM: Absolutely outstanding! Like Borsos said, you can feel something when you look at your dio. It makes the viewer thinking about the horror of war, without using dead bodies or injured people.
Great!
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Doug Mace on November 29, 2016, 04:22:08 AM: Marvelous, Edo, just marvelous....a wonderful work of art indeed.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Doug Mace on November 29, 2016, 04:37:39 AM: It could also be said that you captured a hint of aviation with your man looking skyward as though hearing an approaching aircraft. So much to imagine and interpret. I'm with Borsos....can't stop looking at it.
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on November 29, 2016, 04:00:42 PM: Doug, I haven't thought of that but, indeed, it could be! :D
Thank you again, all of you!
much appreciated, indeed!
ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: GAJouette on November 30, 2016, 05:20:40 AM: Edo,
Breathtaking awesome Dio my old friend. Truly your best project to date!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: jknaus on November 30, 2016, 05:31:54 AM: Very very nicely done. Beautiful work.
James
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Monty on December 06, 2016, 04:56:17 AM: Edo, that diorama is simply and truly magnificent! I can only echo the comments made above - it is a poignant, detailed effective masterpiece! Simply Stunning! Thank you for your great descriptions and posting... Regards, Marc
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on December 06, 2016, 10:29:28 PM: Thank you friends!
I really appreciate your kind worlds!
Gregory, you have been too much more than kind! :D
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: lcarroll on December 06, 2016, 11:43:09 PM: Edo,
I've followed your work here and on a previous Forum for years and always admired it; this project really is your very best and I'm blown away by the detail and the theme you've presented. I too can say it all no better then Borsos; outstanding work and a presentation to be very proud of!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on December 07, 2016, 05:00:45 AM: Hey, Lance! I didn't know to have a following fan base! ;)
you just make me blush....
thank you so much!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on January 16, 2017, 11:11:30 PM: excellent edo. very realistic looking diorama
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: dr 1 ace on January 17, 2017, 07:52:51 AM: Ditto, ditto, dittos to all the above comments !!!!

Ed
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: gedmundson on January 17, 2017, 01:41:20 PM: Nicely done! The detail and weathering on all of the components make this truly a realistic scene. Bravo!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: Meng FT 17 1:16 Diorama
Post by: Edo on January 17, 2017, 04:17:06 PM: Thank you Gary! much appreciated!
ciao
edo