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Title: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 20, 2016, 10:22:17 AM
Hello All,

My son got this for me as a Father's Day gift (this morning, actually) and I'm so pleased with it, I'd like to start it ASAP.  So here is the box shot.  The plastic looks really nice and it will be fun to detail.  Looks like the only major things will be making a new rear "open" fuselage and some spoke wheels.  I think the other parts look dang good and painting it to look like see-through CDL will be a challenge too.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0395_zpsxt04zu7y.jpg)

Or...I could make floats for it and I think leave the rear fuselage covered...not sure what I'll do yet.

Watch this space!

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on June 20, 2016, 11:01:52 AM
What a great Fathers Day present, I look forward to following along with this build.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lcarroll on June 20, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
Dan,
    That is really neat! Is Lindberg still manufacturing or was this a "relic' from the past? The Lindberg line goes back a very long time; I recall finally getting a JU-87b of theirs in the late 50's, I thought I had "died and gone to heaven" as the old expression goes!
    Hope you do a Build Log on this beauty, it's a classic! :)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Dave W on June 20, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
That Lindberg kit is a reincarnation of the old Pyro pre-WW1 aircraft kits from the 60s. They were ahead of their time and still a good buy. For most of the range they are still the only game in town.

A great gift!

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: macsporran on June 20, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
If I recall correctly, they were originally created by a company called Inpact as six kits of subjects supposedly from the film Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines.
They also did four nice inter-war biplanes. For their time they were excellent kits.
Then Pyro bought the moulds, I believe.
S
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Dave W on June 20, 2016, 02:16:51 PM
Quite true. The kits were originally Inpact brand before that company sold the moulds to Pyro. The kits went through various incarnations and today have the Lindberg badge, but at heart they are the Inpact models.I said Pyro because that's the brand many would remember them from.

The old Inpact boxings can still be had on Ebay and from pre-owned kit businesses. The inter war kits were very nice too. The Fairey Flycatcher and Hawker Fury were especially nice and can still be had for a fair price. I scored an Inpact Fury recently for $8 and a Bleriot monoplane for $10.

Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Borsos on June 20, 2016, 06:28:18 PM
A great present of a great plane. Have fun with it!
Borsos
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: coyotemagic on June 21, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
These are great kits, Dan.  I have the entire series in my stash, so I'm really looking forward to watching you work your magic on this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 21, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
Thanks, Guys  ;D

I started putting the basic fuselage together.  Went together with ease.  It's so open that I can add some interior things even at this point. 

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0397_zpsuwf5zepl.jpg)

I like the fabric they have on this guy and the lacing etc. so it seems a shame to get rid of it.  Hence...I'm building it as is and not making an open tail area.  If the internet is correct, there were examples of this beast covered so I think I'm ok.

Thanks for looking!  Painting this guy will be the most fun.

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on June 24, 2016, 02:51:23 AM
Thanks, Folks!  So far, this has been a trouble-free build.  Just tiny amounts of flash and good fitting.  I put the bottom wing together and added it to the fuselage in prep for painting.  I also will be putting in the pilot who is well-molded, but mezmerized by the propeller so I cut him up and re-animated him a bit.  He's just sitting in there to get a feeling for the final product.  Here it is so far...

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0399_zps3hetreqx.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0400_zps2lkt8ato.jpg)

Fun stuff!!!  More soon,

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on June 24, 2016, 07:39:27 AM
Looking better each day Dan, the pilot figure really adds to the model.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: GAJouette on June 24, 2016, 08:21:50 AM
 Dan,
Man it's great to see this old Classic being built. Outstanding progress my old friend.Keep up the excellence! Ditto Des the pilot does add to the kits appeal.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Ernie on June 24, 2016, 08:26:39 AM
Nice work on the pilot, Dan.  Good progress on the Avro, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on June 24, 2016, 08:36:31 PM
I remember building this kit way back in the Dark Ages. You are doing a great job on the aircraft and pilot!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 28, 2016, 03:16:17 AM
Looks good so far.I like these old pyro kits. I was looking at you repositioned pilot. He looks good .maybe one thing to add could be a scarf perhaps flowing in the airstream stiffened with a hidden piece of wire
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 03, 2016, 07:21:21 AM
I too remember building these kits under the Inpact label more years ago than I care to remember! In fact I enjoyed the Avro biplane so much I decided to scratch build one in God's Own Scale (see scotch build section of this site). You are correct in assuming that some aircraft had the rear covered in fabric - it seems that 12 machines were eventually built but as each one was built separately they varied in individual details. The floatplane you referred to made the first take off by an aeroplane from water in the UK: it would make a most interesting variation and would not be too difficult to model (certainly not for a modeller with your skills).

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 06, 2016, 04:50:24 AM
...beautiful project Dan, I'll follow you !
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: xmald on July 07, 2016, 07:35:04 AM
Nice start on this one! I can`t wait till next update!
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 11, 2016, 06:46:34 AM
Thanks for the support, folks!  It is a really well engineered kit and it is all square and nice so far.  The only thing I've done is cut new spaces for where the cabanes attach to the fuselage.  As is, the struts would slant too much.  I don't know if that was my fault or not, but all is well now.  Otherwise...pretty much falls together.  ;D

You'll see that I have the basic CDL scheme on though there will be some tweaking soon.  The top wing fits (so far) like a WNW kit so it's just sitting on top for show at this point.  I also painted the other general colors and wood etc.  Next I'll start putting a few pieces in the cockpit, a seat for my pilot and begin basic rigging with control surfaces first.  It will be fun to detail the engine a bit and I've made a hole for a fuel line to come from the wing tank.  The old photos of this plane are pretty handy.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0474_zps1u2qfuvp.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0477_zpsgdpoovfx.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0478_zpsklrqtng6.jpg)

After putting this together, I am still unsure if parts of the landing struts should be metal rather than wood like the skids.  Some of the Avro triplane shots seem to suggest there is tubing, while others could be wrapped wood.  Not sure but if I find something more definitive, it's an easy fix.

Thanks for looking!

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on July 11, 2016, 07:40:05 AM
Wow Dan, she's coming together beautifully, the colours you are using look superb, looking forward to seeing more of this great build.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: coyotemagic on July 11, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
Very nice work, Dan!  I really like it!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: AROTH on July 11, 2016, 01:16:04 PM
Foolishly, while in High School back in 1970, I took all of the engines from all of these Inpact/Pyro kits and assembled and painted the engines and props in hopes that I would eventually start assembling these kits.

Dues to my grades at the time, Dad, prohibited any model work until these grades were brought up to the required expectations
.
These kits have been stored away (unseen) since then and I am certain that every one of them would require total rebuilds.

Anyone have a clue on how to disassemble engines glued together from 1970?  :o
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lcarroll on July 11, 2016, 11:19:21 PM
    Great work Dan, it`s going to be a really unique and beautiful addition to your shelves. For such an aged and basic Kit it has turned out to be a very accurate and appealing model, I`m anxious to see it completed, it`ll look spectacular when the rigging is added.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Borsos on July 12, 2016, 05:20:35 AM

Dues to my grades at the time, Dad, prohibited any model work until these grades were brought up to the required expectations


That's nothing but torture! There must be an international law against such cruelty!
Recovered yet?
Borsos
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: AROTH on July 12, 2016, 12:28:06 PM
Actually, I had kind of forgotten about the incident until this build came up on the Avro - then the sad memories started coming back to me.  :'(
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 12, 2016, 02:47:20 PM
Hi All,

Such trauma!  The worst that happened to me was my Mom throwing out my Monogram B-24 and B-25 when we moved...

I did some work on the kit engine.  It really is just fine, but I decided to add the separate parts to new upper scratch pieces since it would look neater.
The kit part:
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0480_zpsb3zz6wf7.jpg)

A shot during the transition:
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0481_zps5chjwfdd.jpg)

Almost done except for plug wires:
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0483_zpsm4qjpnec.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0482_zps87kwvrnr.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0484_zpsxoxvomab.jpg)

It looks cool in the machine and gives the illusion of more working detail than there really is.  I basically made the rocker arms, the water cooling, the cylinders, exhaust manifold and some fuel mixture odds and bobs. 

More soon!

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on July 12, 2016, 03:05:07 PM
Even though the kit engine is not bad, what you have created is just superb, once painted and sitting in the aircraft it will look excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on July 13, 2016, 08:49:31 AM
Beautiful painting and the construction looks excellent! Your work on the engine is brilliant!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 16, 2016, 06:05:01 AM
Thanks, Des and RAGIII.  It's a really fun kit so far!

Here you can see I've done some more painting and highlighting the ribs a bit.  It's eye catching if a little over-done, but it breaks up all that CDL.  I also painted the engine a bit.  Tonight I'll work on my fuel line, radiator and adding the "AVRO" on the bottom wing.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0486_zpshy7lcsot.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0493_zps7g2tfflp.jpg)

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: coyotemagic on July 16, 2016, 06:56:54 AM
Oooo!  Lovely!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Nigel Jackson on July 16, 2016, 04:11:12 PM
So impressive, Dan. I'm really enjoying following the build and learning so much from it.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: ermeio on July 16, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
it is turning into a lovely kit, Dan!
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 18, 2016, 03:47:21 AM
This is really coming on well. I remember the kit being a nice one to build in the Dark Ages of the late 1960's, and it seems to have worn well. In your hands it seems to be wearing even better! The upgrade of the engine is brilliant - really adds a realistic touch.

With reference to the skids I think that they were all wood - at least that was the conclusion that i came to by studying the photos that I could find. There were about 12 of these built however so it is possible that metal was used on at least one machine - I could not be sure from what I saw on the photos.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 18, 2016, 09:08:22 AM
Thanks, Guys...and I appreciate the help. Stephen on the skid supports.  I too have come to the conclusion that they were likely wood so I'm leaving them. 

I just got back from celebrating with my family since it was my wife's birthday on the 16th!  Now I'll get down to some models for the evening and hopefully post some progress.

Thanks again, all...Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 18, 2016, 02:35:42 PM
As promised...here are my masked "AVRO" letters for the bottom wing.  They are not perfect...I doubt the originals were either...but they do look pretty cool and help dress this little lady up a bit!  :-*

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0506_zpsdnmj7qrs.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0507_zpstuoyyxdu.jpg)

A bit of touch up, but I like it! 

On to the radiator and fuel line...

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 18, 2016, 02:51:11 PM
Dan, in my opinion the letters give the plane a more realistic flavor, in any case I appreciate very much the whole work you are doing on this bird!

Antonio
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 19, 2016, 10:49:54 AM
Thanks, Antonio!  I always look for replies from your colorful SVA avatar  ;)

Here is the top wing started (on the cabanes) and my new radiator with plumbing.  I made it from stretched sprue and my wife suggested some old tea bags she had that have a fine weave.  They are still out of scale, but certainly hint at a radiator.  They even get plugged (with paint)!  The pictures I've seen make the radiator seem almost see-through.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0508_zps1dc6mpnk.jpg)

In this last shot, you can see my fuel line complete with anti-vibration coils!  I wonder if that REALLY worked???
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/IMG_0510_zpshohqupvm.jpg)

Cheers and full steam ahead!

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on July 19, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
Lovely work with the underwing masking Dan, the lettering certainly adds character to the model, and you are doing great work with the engine and radiator.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on July 20, 2016, 12:32:57 AM
Lovely work with the underwing masking Dan, the lettering certainly adds character to the model, and you are doing great work with the engine and radiator.

Des.

I agree with Des completely!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 20, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
Dan it's becoming a real Steampunk masterpiece!
Beautiful details, great work!

Ciao

Antonio
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 23, 2016, 04:19:53 AM
That lettering looks really good - not all machines had it (or not all of the time) but I really think that you have got it right. As you suggest the original was probably not perfect either. The radiator looks really good too and I especially like the anti-vibration loops in the fuel line - they are so obvious in photos but they do add that realistic touch.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Ernie on July 23, 2016, 04:38:14 AM
The Avro looks just super, Dan!  The big AVRO looks terrific!  You have
really done a great job, and I look forward to the next updates...well done
my friend. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 23, 2016, 02:36:54 PM
Thanks, Ernie, Stephen, Des, Antonio and RAGIII!  Here is a bit of the rigging.  I got the controls in, the cabanes and started the landing skid rigging.  Tomorrow I'll do more and also attach the interplanes.  What a neat little machine this is!

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0512_zps83hatc81.jpg)
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0514_zpsavjbjlhe.jpg)
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0515_zpsgp5z6ntk.jpg)

Moving along now!  And here is the young man (my son Peter) who got me this kit for Father's Day! 

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0425_zpszscdmzpz.jpg)

Cheers to all and have a great weekend...Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 23, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
Beautiful rigging Dan, and great son you have!
:-)

Antonio
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 24, 2016, 03:21:10 AM
It was a very elegant aeroplane for its time - which is why I chose to scratch build one - in my opinion it was the best of the Inpact series from an aesthetic point of view. The rigging looks really good - when complete it will really make this into a first class model.

Stephen.

PS bet you are pleased that your son does not have to fly one of those things in the background - bad enough that your father had to.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lcarroll on July 24, 2016, 05:08:51 AM
    It's really come together nicely Dan, you've done wonders with this old classic! Great rigging so far, looking forward to seeing the completed Build!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on July 24, 2016, 05:15:10 AM
The rigging is looking fabulous Dan! The overall finish and look is great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Borsos on July 24, 2016, 08:19:38 PM
Great looking early bird. You really made a beauty out of this kit! Congrats to you!
Borsos
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 25, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
Thanks, Guys...I'm glad you like it so far.   ;D

Tonight I put on all the interplane struts.  I must say this has got to be the easiest biplane I've put together in a long time.  Topped by the WNW Snipe, but I digress.  Considering how old these molds are (even if this is the later Lindberg release), I'm amazed.  Basically fell together and I guess it helps that everything is a right angles!  So here it sits so far...I also put on a bit more landing gear rigging and will start with the wing rigging tomorrow.

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0517_zpshnas3fal.jpg)
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0519_zpsecgjq7i6.jpg)

Stay tuned! 

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on July 25, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Your Avro is looking superb Dan, now that the struts are all fitted it makes it look excellent, and the rigging is brilliant, you have achieved great results for a 1:48 scale model.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 25, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
I totally agree  with Des, I love the way it is coming out!

Ciao

AnDonio
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on July 26, 2016, 12:11:31 AM
Beautiful work all around! Really looking great to my eyes!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: coyotemagic on July 26, 2016, 01:42:43 AM
Dan, this is turning out to be such a beautiful model, you made me dig deep into my stash to pull mine out to look at it.  You've done a remarkable job on this kit.  I'm looking forward to seeing her finished.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 26, 2016, 02:40:02 AM
Personally I think that this is an aesthetically pleasing aeroplane - more so than many others of its time and you are really demonstrating just how good its lines were. You have certainly made an excellent model so far - when it is rigged it is going to be a real charmer.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 26, 2016, 07:12:18 AM
Thanks, Guys...!!

Stephen...I agree with the looks.  I like this one, the Avro Triplane and the Blackburn monoplane.  My favs from that era.

I'll post a bit more rigging tonight.

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: eindecker on July 26, 2016, 02:19:29 PM
Amazing, and enticing, seeing the out-of-the box photos and then what you have done with those basic parts. I'm getting one. And a Bleriot.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Ernie on July 26, 2016, 07:12:43 PM
Brilliant job, Dan!  The little Avro is such a pleasing aeroplane and
you are doing a wonderful job bringing that to life!  I look forward
to seeing the rigging completed.  Great update, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 27, 2016, 02:22:46 PM
Thanks, everyone...Tonight I did finish the rigging, though my placement of the rigging behind the cockpit is a best guess from photos.  The machine definitely has anti-drag wires, but the anti-anti-drag wires (ha, ha) are at least close.  Maybe Stephen has a better idea where they actually were?  I also don't know if there was extra rigging on the rudder structure (where the fin would be if it had one) nor do I know if the tail skid had any.  Otherwise, she is completely rigged and I love it.  The more drag, the better for me!  ;D ;D

(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0523_zpsieyuq3fl.jpg)
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0521_zpsgehsxhqq.jpg)

All that's left now is the pilot's seat, the pilot and some lower wing skids on the tips.  THEN the make or break...spoke wheels.  I made some one time for a flying model but never this tiny.  I think I know what to do, but we'll see!

Thanks for looking and the great comments.  Really makes a person want to finish their model.

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: gbrivio on July 27, 2016, 02:25:44 PM
It is a nice and not easy subject and an admirably well done model.
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: boggie on July 27, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
Rigging placement? Who would care? It looks right so it is right!  :)

Very impessive build Dan. I have no doubt you son is very proud of what you have achieved with his gift.

Very much looking forward to viewing your next installment.

Bravo!   ;D
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 27, 2016, 07:25:44 PM
Hi Dan, great work on the rigging, I am not sure I understood what the anti-drag wires are...

Moreover it will be _very_ interesting for me to watch how-to make the spoke wheels!

Antonio
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on July 27, 2016, 08:55:11 PM
Excellent work with the rigging Dan, it all looks good to me.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 28, 2016, 02:47:11 AM
Dan,

I found on the drawings that I used that there were two sets of anti-drag wires form the top of the middle struts to the frame at the bottom of the fuselage where they were attached one and two bays behind the pilot's bay. There were two wires from the top of the rudder post which went to the leading corner of the horizontal tail unit and to the elevator hinge. Apart from that my model appears to be very similar to yours: except that yours looks better!

Andonio: anti-drag wires were wires which ran from the front struts to either the front of the nose or in this case to the undercarriage legs ahead of the wing leading edge. There were also wires from the rear struts also to the fuselage. There purpose was to even the stresses on the wings and transmit some of the drag forces on the wings to the fuselage structure. In effect they helped to stop the wings from bending backwards as they passed through the air.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on July 28, 2016, 05:51:44 AM
Thanks for the comments, All...

And Stephen...your description really helps and I'm pretty close with my drag wires.  They do seem to match basically what you said.  I'll add some stuff to the tail, though!  Thanks for that info!

And where is this horrible SCRATCH build, 1/72nd Avro of which you speak?  ;) ;)  I'd love to take a look. I bet it's awesome.

More soon...Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on July 28, 2016, 05:11:33 PM



Andonio: anti-drag wires were wires which ran from the front struts to either the front of the nose or in this case to the undercarriage legs ahead of the wing leading edge. There were also wires from the rear struts also to the fuselage. There purpose was to even the stresses on the wings and transmit some of the drag forces on the wings to the fuselage structure. In effect they helped to stop the wings from bending backwards as they passed through the air.

Stephen.


Thanks Stephen!
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lone modeller on July 29, 2016, 03:41:08 AM
And Stephen... where is this horrible SCRATCH build, 1/72nd Avro of which you speak?  ;) ;)  I'd love to take a look. I bet it's awesome.

More soon…Dan

Dan,
 The build thread is under scratch builds page 2: there are also photos in the completed models section page 8.

Stephen
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: lcarroll on July 29, 2016, 06:51:44 AM
Dan,
    The rigging has really brought it all together, it's one very impressive Model, and I'm looking forward to watching your work on those wire wheels!
Lovely work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Manni on August 01, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Wow, looks awsome. It is jaw dropping what you have made of this ols kit.
Manni
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on September 20, 2016, 01:58:52 PM
Wow...it's been awhile!   :o

I have been super busy but this AVRO has not been forgotten.  I started playing around with making spoke wheels and I think I got acceptable results.  I made one and now have 3 more to do!  I hope they get better as I go.  One thing is for sure...they look worlds better than what came in the kit.  The pictures tell the story but some background includes I used this method before on some flying models but wasn't sure it would work in this small size.  Worked great!  Second:  I've been building some paper card models recently and have found that paper and glue are amazing and surprisingly strong!  So the hubs, wheels and tires are all made of thick card stock paper layers (I think I used 110 lb stock).  The spokes started as fine thread which was a disaster!  Then I simply used small pieces of invisible mending thread and just glued them around the hub and rim at the same time. 

Anyway, see what you think!  I want this guy done for a model show this coming Saturday so I'll see if I can get the other wheels done ASAP.  Next post will be in the finished construction section!!   8)

On to the photos:

Left: double thickness wheels, center are paper rolled hubs and right are the tires...two to sandwich each wheel.
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0637_zps4qcc6hxa.jpg)

Jig:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0638_zpslidf7vha.jpg)

In Use:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0639_zpsdigiisfx.jpg)

Disaster Below!
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0640_zpsd2j4v2if.jpg)

Acceptable:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0641_zpsmsxdldns.jpg)

Clamping:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0643_zpsndvs1sjx.jpg)

Compare:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0644_zpsfbajzuhr.jpg)

Finished:
(http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q392/PLUglutes/IMG_0647_zpsbxhk1h3t.jpg)

Not too darn shabby for home made spoke wheels!  More practice in in order like more rounding of the tires but...

Thanks for looking at this long post,

Dan
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Des on September 20, 2016, 02:54:41 PM
Excellent work with the spoked wheels Dan, they are a difficult thing to make but you have done a superb job.

Des.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Manni on September 20, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
I think, for the first attempt the wheel looks very nice.
Manni
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: andonio64 on September 20, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
Indeed an excellent result Dan!
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: RAGIII on September 20, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
Outstanding work on the spoked wheels Dan! They look great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: coyotemagic on September 21, 2016, 12:38:09 AM
Outstanding work on the spoked wheels Dan! They look great!
RAGIII
I'm with my amigo on this, Dan!  Rick plucked the exact words right outta my brain!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: eindecker on September 21, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
I'm impressed! Using thick card stock is a novel notion, looks like it worked very well. Thanks for posting your method.
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: xmald on September 29, 2016, 03:17:51 AM
It`s shaping into a wonderful model Dan! I`ve tried to make my own spoke wheels but it was a distaster... Your look mighty good.
That`s what I call Modelling  ;)
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: poshboy on March 14, 2017, 04:23:02 PM
what a great aeroplane and you have done a very good job there. :D
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on April 26, 2017, 12:35:21 AM
the only thing you could do different is to use tire halves instead of flat card when making the spoke wheel sandwich. some kits contain the halves but you can also make them from 2 wheels and sand to the centerline so you end up with 2 wheel halves thn just cast copies. for such a simple cast job i suggest using instant mold and epoxy putty as below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Z1xwjTo-M
Title: Re: Lindberg 1911 Avro Biplane 1/48th
Post by: Softscience on November 25, 2019, 02:26:34 PM
This is so cool!!! Any more progress?